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Overclocking question, stability?

Okay, so my question is basically how stable is overclocking your g2? I typically keep it at 800 when I use my phone normally, than 1.5ghz for games. I wante d to keep my g2 at 1.5ghz forever.. is that bad?
My battery obviously increases in temp..

I just use 1GH. It's enough for all game now. and didn't see any bad to battery or phone

I've had my DZ for about three weeks now and all this time I've had it consistently overclocked to 1843MHz. At that high of a speed, I had to let the phone cool down after 20 minutes of use.
Just today I flashed pershoot's 1516MHz kernel and noticed no heat issues after ~45 minutes of consistent use (temps < 40C).

I have had my g2 for.... However long they been out. I have always been overclock to at least 1.5 with zero heat issues. I ran 1.8 and even 1.9 for a good long time as well. Those speeds have heat issues ones that required a battery pull a few times because it started heating up faster then i could shut down the phone. If your going to OC at those speeds makes sure you set temp profiles with alarms.
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ARM processors, like our snapdragons, are a lot more forgiving on the overclocking front than what you might find in your desktop, for instance.
I still treat overclocking on my phone like I do my computers, though... setcpu has a stress test built in that you can use if you're curious how "stable" your overclock is. but in my experience, I've found that you can get away with just playing around with it and using the phone normally and seeing how it reacts to different clockspeeds.
right now, I run it at 1.1ghz (24/7). I have run it at 1.5ghz (24/7) in the past for PSX/N64 emulators, but I've found with my new setup (pretty light; no widgets, very few things going on in the background, stripped as many unnecessary apps as possible, and not using any animations or fancy bits) that 1.1ghz is more than enough to be able to play the games I play on any emulator smoothly.
you should be fine at any speed that is currently available in the overclocking kernels we have with the exception of flippy's 1.9ghz kernel, which does require some monitoring to keep things cool and stable. but it still does vary from phone to phone. if you're running at 1.5ghz and the phone isn't doing anything wonky, then you shouldn't worry about it. if you're running it at 1.5ghz and you're experiencing stability issues, random force closes that aren't fixable through conventional methods, or heat issues, you should probably back off a bit.
some people have problems at 1.2ghz, some people are running at 1.9ghz all the time and never have problems... just find what works best for normal usage with your device and go with it.. it's not like we keep these things for more than a couple of years anyway, and the processor will be capable of handling the [stable] overclock for that period of time.

im always at 1.2ghz. 768 as min, interactive gov (when i use CM7) and battery has been fine, havent noticed any major issues. hard to tell if it was the rom bugs or OC being the issue but from what i read all my issues others have at various speeds so im guessing it was rom related

i think it depends on the rom.
when i use the Pyromod rom i dont need overclock but for other roms like sense roms those I require OC. I always keep it at 1400 when needed.

(Q)I have a og evo and cant overclock it 1.2ghz.

I have a og evo I want to know why when I overclock to 1.2ghz it freezes my phone why does it do that ?
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Each Evo is different. Some of them can't handle that high overclock, or can't be undervolted very low. Each one is different, each has its limits.
I don't understand the big deal with overclocking. It burns your battery faster. I personally underclock, with little to no lag and is good enough for my casual gaming needs

Mine doesn't like a clock much at all. I can get about 1.1 before it starts locking up but even then it hangs a lot. I honestly don't see a difference from 1.0 to 1.2. Get a decent rom, good kernel and try out the v6 script an I almost guarantee you will like that better.

beaumontcali48 said:
I have a og evo I want to know why when I overclock to 1.2ghz it freezes my phone why does it do that ?
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Well for us to be able to help you, you would need to provide us with more details on how you are trying to accomplish this.

I use no frils cpu but have also tried setcpu and viperMOD I know that's the best way to overclock but is very confusing. Have any step by step instructions to of to 1.2 I know having higher voltages helps as well.
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Overclocking is overrated. If you need to overclock for every day usage, then something is wrong - at least in my opinion. Resource intensive gaming is different, but you shouldn't need to overclock for browsing, texting, casual games, etc.
Try out the V6 Supercharger script. I'm not currently using it, but have in the past and it seemed to make my phone more snappy. A lot of people swear by it and it's a great script, definitely worth a shot. There are other things you can do to speed up your phone without overclocking. I'd try other options first since overclocking will chew through your battery. Increase the dalvik vm heap size, there are plenty of free apps on the market to help with this task. Uninstall apps you don't use, I'll bet that you never use some of the apps on your phone. Back them up with Titanium Backup and you can restore them if you ever need them again.
In case you didn't already know, the Evo can't overclock past 1.2, I'm not 100% sure why - it has something to do with the processor.
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I never oc over 1075 and only when plugged in if i play a game I need to oc.for I just activate my charging profile and plug up and play 1.2 ghz is a good chance of doing serious.damage as these older scorpion processors get very very hot at that clock speed so they lock up to try and protect themselves from heat damage or they shut down the phone 1075 is as high as you should need to go for any games the evo can handle on the subpar gpu
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beaumontcali48 said:
...also tried setcpu and viperMOD I know that's the best way to overclock.
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I'm pretty sure viperMOD is more for undervolting than overclocking, which are not suppose to be combined together. I am running vipermod with max voltages - 50. Other nite was playing snes9x and was getting some lag with a game so I bumped max CPU up to 1.2. Phone went into a bootloop and had to superwipe and reflash everything. Don't know if its b/c vipermod + 1.2 CPU or just bumping up CPU. Didn't try it again.
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Get a shift. Mine runs fine at 1.9. But usually run it art 254-1200 on demand.

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I'm pretty sure viperMOD is more for undervolting than overclocking, which are not suppose to be combined together. I am running vipermod with max voltages - 50. Other nite was playing snes9x and was getting some lag with a game so I bumped max CPU up to 1.2. Phone went into a bootloop and had to superwipe and reflash everything. Don't know if its b/c vipermod + 1.2 CPU or just bumping up CPU. Didn't try it again.
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You can overclock and undervolt together just fine. You just need to ensure that every frequency has a high enough voltage to run the processor at that step. My Evo is overclocked and undervolted just fine, although IIRC I can only push it up to 1.1 GHz . My tablet is 1ghz to 1.6ghz and is undervolted as well, though.

merge rls 2.0, iron monkey, Droid overclock because of the profiles options. I set up four profiles including one for temp. sometimes i'm underclocking and sometimes overclocking but only up to 1.19 to prevent freeze and boot loops. Only downside is right at open Droid overclock needs su permission but that is my choice since profile changes at open.
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When I had the 4G, I was never able to go above 1118, or somewhere around that. It would have freezing issues.
On my evo shift, I was able to do 1.7 gHz (compared to stock 800 mhz) ok. 1.6 pretty reliabily, and I could run 1.5 all day long. Some guys could do 1.9. It just depends on the phone.

Actually overclocking and undervolting is counter-productive. What you should do, is read carhaulers and ropodopes guide over at vaelepak. Its give some good useful info about how to set up a good aosp rom. I'm underclocked, undervolted, and still getting 1400+ benchmarks. Check it out bro. You'll love the results.
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Actually overclocking and undervolting is counter-productive. What you should do, is read carhaulers and ropodopes guide over at vaelepak. Its give some good useful info about how to set up a good aosp rom. I'm underclocked, undervolted, and still getting 1400+ benchmarks. Check it out bro. You'll love the results.
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tommy0823 said:
Actually overclocking and undervolting is counter-productive. What you should do, is read carhaulers and ropodopes guide over at vaelepak. Its give some good useful info about how to set up a good aosp rom. I'm underclocked, undervolted, and still getting 1400+ benchmarks. Check it out bro. You'll love the results.
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What? Overclocking and undervolting are two completely different things, and they aren't mutually exclusive. Unless you can provide a good reason as to why it's counter productive to do both, I don't buy that at all. Just checked my phone, my overclock requires an extra 25 mV for all three steps I've overclocked. 25mV isnt much, and it certainly isn't going to kill my battery that much faster.
Besides, the only time the CPU is going to be entering these high power modes is when it needs to do work, and it's better to do work as fast as possible to go back to sleep. Would you rather wake up, do a mundane task for 5 minutes, then go back to sleep or wake up, do a task at 2x the speed while only consuming 30-50% more energy, then going back to sleep after only 2.5 minutes?
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First let me say I don't use viper mod or any voltage controlling mod.
On sense 3.0 roms such as mikg I over clock to 1152 and set the minimum to 384 and its smooth as butter. No problem and battery lasts all day.
On aosp however such as decks (I'm on it now) I underclock to 499 and leave the min at 254. Smooth as always and battery lasts forever.
Anything past 1152 is going to cause problems (at least in my experience) also the rom/kernel can effect how much you can overclock.
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Gary13579 said:
What? Overclocking and undervolting are two completely different things, and they aren't mutually exclusive. Unless you can provide a good reason as to why it's counter productive to do both, I don't buy that at all. Just checked my phone, my overclock requires an extra 25 mV for all three steps I've overclocked. 25mV isnt much, and it certainly isn't going to kill my battery that much faster.
Besides, the only time the CPU is going to be entering these high power modes is when it needs to do work, and it's better to do work as fast as possible to go back to sleep. Would you rather wake up, do a mundane task for 5 minutes, then go back to sleep or wake up, do a task at 2x the speed while only consuming 30-50% more energy, then going back to sleep after only 2.5 minutes?
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Its counter productive because it is giving less to something that needs more. (Don't take this post as me trying to be a ****. Just voicing how someone explained it to me a while ago)
Think of this as cars.
Lets say you have a nice fancy v8 mustang. Stock, everything is well, balanced.
If you start adding parts and get it pushing out 1000 horsepower (overclock) your most likely gonna need more feul (voltage) or at least stock amount flowing into the engine just to keep it running.
Now lets say you got that same 1000 horsepower gas destroying mustang and you start to lower the amount of gas flowing into the engine (undervolt (done in vipermod)) cylinders (CPU) wont get enough gas, it wont work, and your stuck going no where.
So if that made sense (did to me) then you can see why they are counter productive. Unless your using vipermod to overvolt (which idk if you can since I don't use it) then you can disregard this whole post
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Your car analogy is completely irrelevant. You can look up the exact voltages that the CPU runs on at every frequency, *even when overclocking*. Overclocking an Evo 1ghz to 1.2ghz takes maybe a 5% bump in voltage, and that 5% extra power is only going to be used *when the CPU is running at max speed* (which is only when there is a lot of work to do), and even then, it's *still better to let the CPU run at max speed with a tiny bit more power consumption than to cap the CPU at a slower speed and make it work for even longer*. Intel calls it HUGI, Hurry Up and Get Idle.
I know what I'm talking about, and I wish people would stop trying to argue with me based off of second hand speculation. I do this for a living, after all. There is absolutely nothing wrong with overclocking and undervolting, and it's the best way to get the most battery life *and* performance out of your phone, period.
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Gary13579 said:
Your car analogy is completely irrelevant. You can look up the exact voltages that the CPU runs on at every frequency, *even when overclocking*. Overclocking an Evo 1ghz to 1.2ghz takes maybe a 5% bump in voltage, and that 5% extra power is only going to be used *when the CPU is running at max speed* (which is only when there is a lot of work to do), and even then, it's *still better to let the CPU run at max speed with a tiny bit more power consumption than to cap the CPU at a slower speed and make it work for even longer*. Intel calls it HUGI, Hurry Up and Get Idle.
I know what I'm talking about, and I wish people would stop trying to argue with me based off of second hand speculation. I do this for a living, after all. There is absolutely nothing wrong with overclocking and undervolting, and it's the best way to get the most battery life *and* performance out of your phone, period.
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Hmm, *interesting*. I believe the best answer to the OP was covered rather well earlier. It's all about your rom/kernel/hardware combination. With all the variables to consider as relevant, your best bet is to experiment and find what works for your device. Don't check set on boot untill you are confident the set-up is stable. Higher is not always better with overclocking. My device runs blazingly well underclocked @768max. Gets insanely great battery @499max. However my quadrants are better @ 1036 than at 1190.
Great thing about android is you can experiment and learn through trial and error.
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[Q] How low can we go? (Undervoltage)

Okay I have tried searching, but it is a bit hard from my phone, so I'm sorry if I missed a post answering this.
Does anyone know how low UV this phone normally goes? In miui I could go as low as it allowed (750?) at the slowest CPU setting, but I wonder how low others go. I know it differs from one phone to another, but still..
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Our phone can usually only go down to about 850 but what you'll have to do is test each voltage for each clock speed, so what you would do is set the voltage (TEMPORARILY!!! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!) then set your clock speed to be only this speed to see if it is stable. IE: Set ~200 to 850, set clock speed to only ~200 (whatever it is for miui kernel, they are all different by a little bit) and then go around the ROM and look for any HARD lockups (lockups that require a battery pull, lots of lag and lag spikes are to be expected) and then turn screen off for like 30 secs and back on to check it. Do this for all clock speeds (if you want to change them all) For the record, AFAIK if a clock speed has a certain voltage, all clock speeds below it will be stable at that voltage. Once you get up to ~700 MHz also test it with some video. This should work if you want to be SUPER thorough but make sure you always TEMP first (because if it cause's a hard lockup, that will cause major problems...) also do a nandroid first just in case.
For the record, undervolting can be risky, so I am not responsible if you cause damage, just giving you a means of doing it

The lowest I've gone was 750 and works perfect. I don't want to go any lower though, phone's still eating up 32maH with screen off.

Thanks for the explanation. I already know how it works though and I'm being super careful. I was more interested in finding out what settings others use. So what are you at at other CPU speeds?
I test stability with Stability Test (I think its called) and some benchmark apps. Then try different stuff like movies, flash (like in a browser, not flashing anything) and turning the screen on and off. With temp settings in oc/uv beater.
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Does anyone know what scenario causes the most voltage drain from the CPU? Playing HD video? Crunching numbers (pi?)? Shooting pigeons?
Hmm, let me rephrase that
Name the 3 best ways to test stability when tweaking undervoltage

theres an app i found yesterday to test the stability of my SG2 its call "stability test" just set your core at that fixed clock and let it go...i just let it run 3-4 times after that if its good then i move on, but sometimes i feel the phone sluggish, i just increase the voltage on that and its fine again.
too much voltage burn the thing/ kill the battery, not enough voltage it starting to freeze up.

Yes I know the app and it's great! But I'm playing around with my own little app project so I was interested in what everyone use to test stability. That would be +1 to number crunching so far

Although I am starting to feel like I'm talking to myself I'll still post my (hopefully stable) undervoltage results if anyone should be interested:
Code:
245760: 750
368640: 750
576000: 900
768000: 900
806400: 925
902400: 925
1017600: 975
1113600: 1000
1209600: 1050
1305600: 1100
1401600: 1150
1507200: 1225
1574400: 1300
I'm testing a small app I'm coding, to learn more about Android, so the numbers will probably change as I learn more and get better at coding and testing the stability of my phone.
Also please remember your phone is going to be different than mine, even if the hardware is exactly the same, so this is only a rough guide.
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How do you undervolt with the default CM7 kernel?

Is the phone stable when overclocking past 1.3ghz?

I heard there was a problem with stability issues before. Has it been fixed?
Also, do any of you guys feel the need to OC in the first place?

iArtisan said:
I heard there was a problem with stability issues before. Has it been fixed?
Also, do any of you guys feel the need to OC in the first place?
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I tried OC'ing to 1,4 for a short time, didnt get any instabilities.
Which leads me to question two. No I don't feel the need to OC this phone, it is still good enough to cope with everything i throw at it.

The worst that will happen is that it will run a little hotter than normal. I was running Trinity Kernel on RasCream ROM clocked at 1.5GHz and it was fine, nothing crashed, no reboots, all was well.
Besides; It's a Nexus, it was built for this!

This varies for everyone
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Meh. It all varies. No 2 chipsets are the same. What may work for someone else may not work for you. Trial and error is the only surefire way to find out.

Hi,
I agree with what has been said above, all the CPU's are not equal but actually the progress made by the kernel devs allows all (or almost) phones to run at 1.3* Ghz (1.34/1.35 Ghz, it depends of the kernel) without any issues.I think it's for all, actually I don't remember a user with issues at 1.3* Ghz...
And for most phones 1.5 Ghz is fine.For some others, above 1.5 Ghz is problematic but it depends also of too many factors.
Now it's not like it when the Genx came out, where 1.3 Ghz was the limit of CPU overclock for all the phones.
And many people can run stable at 1.65 Ghz, also it depends of the kernel.
For me for example my max CPU freq usable each day, so stable is 1.72 Ghz with Glados kernel, above (like 1.8 Ghz) it runs fine for 30 mins, sometimes 1 hour, but after always freeze/reboot... maybe my CPU can't reach this CPU freq or maybe my settings are wrong (voltage) ...
I agree, an extreme overclock like 1.72 Ghz is not really necessary for all day (heat, battery life, etc...) but a little overclock like 1.5/1.53 Ghz and you a difference in certain case (openning some apps, general UI, browsing, etc...).
But if we have the ability to test and play...why not... ,in any case for me it's yes, I like overclock and test the possibilities/limits of my phone, different settings...
Everyone does as he wants and it depends on what you want (battery life,a little more power in some situation like playing or a higher bench score ).

Well considering Texas instruments recommended highest clock speed for this processor is 1.5 ghz I'd say your fine. Anything above that is dependent on how well your chip set will handle it. Besides who honestly has needed to OC for anything other than benchmarks?
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Cpu throttle??

ok guys I downloaded cpu spy and after using the phone for 10min my phone never hit above 1.5 ghz ... I thought this phone was at 1.9 ,I did a lot of testing and still couldn't get the phone past 1.5 , no wonder things are not as smooth as they should be. I also upgraded to the new firmware it is a bit faster but I see the phone cpu is always around 1.5-1.1 ghz not good to run as smooth , also if cpu the low I'm sure gpu as low why all the animations run slow.
Edit : was playing angry birds star wars check back cpu ran at 1.1ghz -950mhz ...
Edit2: so i ran a anTuTu test and finally it hit at 1.9ghz and it drop down to 1.6ghz and 1.7 ghz for a few seconds. I really feel if this phone ran past the 1.5 it be a lottttt smoother i mean a lot.. just my 2cents trying to help out.
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CPU factors
Listed CPU speeds are a maximum, a lot of factors play into that actually CPU speed you will see when running various apps.
Also, the CPU monitor reporting may not be 100% accurate, again due to several factors.

Also for reasons spread around this forum (all the battery threads popping up after the 1st week with the devices in hand)
The default cpu speed governors are likely set to preserve battery and only kick into high gear when the need REALLY presents itself.
Ie to samsung a little stuttering is fine if it means the battery lasts an extra hour in most cases
Most custom roms have different cpu governors in place - designed in part to respond more quickly to system load and increase performance.