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The EVO carries some great specs and gets some good benchmark scores through various tests but I always felt that it seemed kind of clunky with just navigating through the OS. 2.2 has helped a bit but I still feel the same way.
I was recently supplied with the HTC Aria through the company I work for. Now I know this phone is a more entry level android set, but I am really blown away with how quick this thing feels. Benchmark scores aren't as high as the evo, but the phone just feels so much faster and more fluid through the OS.
I am not trying to start any sort of flame war. I came from the Nexus One and now have the Evo and Aria. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Also I did a camera and video comparison. The picture and video quality is just better on the Aria. Maybe it's just my Evo.
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The EVO carries some great specs and gets some good benchmark scores through various tests but I always felt that it seemed kind of clunky with just navigating through the OS. 2.2 has helped a bit but I still feel the same way.
I was recently supplied with the HTC Aria through the company I work for. Now I know this phone is a more entry level android set, but I am really blown away with how quick this thing feels. Benchmark scores aren't as high as the evo, but the phone just feels so much faster and more fluid through the OS.
I am not trying to start any sort of flame war. I came from the Nexus One and now have the Evo and Aria. Anyone else notice this?
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It's the Damn FPS LOCK! My parents have the incredible and that also feels sooo much smoother. Come on HTC give us a factory fix instead of leaving it to the Devs again! They will fix it! But they shouldn't have to!
P.S. we don't call the Android op sys OS 2.2 its not an iphoney....its froyo ....just messn with Ya I couldn't resist
Is that really what makes it feel that way? I didn't know.
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Is that really what makes it feel that way? I didn't know.
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100% absolutely.
Very much so yes.
I went from CM6 with a 53 FPS avg to test Fresh 3 with the stock HTC kernel with 29 FPS avg. Night and day difference navigating around the phone. It really is that bad. It's a shame HTC is stonewalling on the situation.
-NO fps lock
That's it... I'm running CM-1 with netarchy fix I think... anyway, it's NIGHT and DAY difference. Do yourself a favor and get a rom/kernel with a fix.
Mine benchmarks just fine now... infact, with Cm6 + Snap kernel, I benchmark a bit better than most snapdragon phones.
30.3 on neocore, HOLLA'.
Its not just the fps lock, it also has alot to do with the graphics accelerator. For one HTC didnt include the proper drivers for the graphics to run at full speed and not only that but it is not an indipendent G.A. it is "intergrated". In other words, if youve ever bought a new graphics card for your computer because most of us nerds know that most comps. bought out there have "intergrated" fx cards. They are built into the motherboard, therefor sucking more energy and resources from all the other parts of the computer. Its the same way with this phone, another thing is the HDMI output. Just like a computer if you want to have a nice vid card and also have a tv tuner or another output you would need to take up 2 slots, well you can only fit so many slots in a phone.
The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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not just placebo. Like others have noticed there are Android phones that do not have the fps cap that do run smoother and are equal or less as far as processor and gpu specs go. I have been building pc gaming rigs for the last 8 or so years so I do know the difference not going by word of mouth and also agree with BALeR's post that its not just the fps cap. I didn't mention the gpu in my earlier post because I have used the incredible and it does run smoother loaded up, Not rooted than my evo was stock. Yes might be using different drivers also. The majority of the peeps who use the fps hack can't all be seeing placebo effects. There is some truth to the matter might not be huge but enough non the less for a noticeable difference. Not flaming or saying you are wrong, just defending what I posted.
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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I would have to disagree. When I first started using netarchy's kernel for my evo it felt like butter
If the FPS unlock is a placebo than so is Chemo for cancer patients.
lol. yeah SERIOUSLY. I've gone back and forth from stock to Netarchy a dozen times, and I can instantly tell which is which.
My girlfriend has an EVO as well. She wasn't convinced either, so we took both phones, stripped our Sense "Scenes" to "Clean Slate", removed battery covers (I have carbon fiber on the back of mine.) and I had to guess who's was whos.
All I had to do was swipe once or twice and I knew which phone was mine vs hers. we did that probably a dozen times and I got it every single time.
I wasn't going off of some blemish or marking that my phone had that hers didn't, it was solely based on a BLANK screen. (default background of course.) and swiping back and forth.
No, but you're right.. it's make believe, like Toothpaste and the female orgasm.
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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LOL,the nerve of some people..So its a Placebo that I and 100's of other people see a huge difference in the over all "snappyness" of the phone when using a fix?...You can't be serious...placebo,lol....Linpack and CM6 isn't all that's out their sir.Seems like you need some real world experiences with other roms and unlocking FPS before posting.
The Evo running at 30hz is awful, running at around 55hz on CM6 rom (used the T2 hack before), and it is WAY WAY WAY WAY better.
I lol at people who lost their root and can't do it... they can whine all they want
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The Evo running at 30hz is awful, running at around 55hz on CM6 rom (used the T2 hack before), and it is WAY WAY WAY WAY better.
I lol at people who lost their root and can't do it... they can whine all they want
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Exactly, it feels so much better. FYI. fps, not hz. two totally different things.
30hz would strain your eyes, possibly and REALLY be annoying.
God imagine that.. 30fpx lock AND 30hz. what a POS that would be.
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Exactly, it feels so much better. FYI. fps, not hz. two totally different things.
30hz would strain your eyes, possibly and REALLY be annoying.
God imagine that.. 30fpx lock AND 30hz. what a POS that would be.
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I believe the display is locked at 30hz, it's not a CRT.
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I believe the display is locked at 30hz, it's not a CRT.
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I can't find actual specs for the screens refresh rate. (excluding the fps cap)
But, I believe the reason we feel so much lag is that the screen is capable of 60hz, which, all LCD screens are now a days. but the cap of 30fps is allowing the screen to refresh 2 times before another frame is drawn, giving us that feeling a lag.
again, this is just my thought on the whole thing as I can't find solid specs of the device, only a bunch of sites that say the 30 fps is a cap on the screens refresh rate. which, ...don't have to be the same thing.
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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Wholly inaccurate. Netarchy's kernel shows a dramatic improvement in touch response in addition to improved framerate when scrolling. It's not just a placebo and it's borderline irresponsible to say otherwise.
CyanogenMod wins agian!
I'm actually thinking about the Epic if it gets CM6 support...
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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Come back to us when you compare a Stock Nexus One or Incredible and a Stock Evo.
Again, scrolling between screens and apps... one can see a BIG difference.
The 30fps cap puts a TOUCH INPUT LAG. This makes it feel like the phone is lagging behind you. You swipe across the screen and the phone actually registers it around half a second after you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOje7dcRlo
Looks like someone's a pretty big hypocrite... Twilk, you need to do some reading and learning.
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On top of that, I put the Cm6 Snap Kernel on top of the Cm6-RC1...
I get higher 3d benchmarks. For example...
-16.8 fps on Nenamark (formerly... 10'ish fps)
-30.3 fps on Neocore (formerly 25'ish)
-43 fps on GL Benchmark HD 1.1 (formerly 28'ish)
Install a Custom Rom, Netarchy's latest kernel and then Launcher Pro. You will notice a big difference
Whats up with the 1230 mAH battery? even worse than the one on the desire? i realize this new cpu uses less power, but still they should have gone with an 1500 mAh battery to have decent battery life :/ im worried they sacrificed battery life to built a slimmer device
Is the screen regular lcd os super lcd?
Why did they remove the kickstand and the hdmi port?
so everybody loved every inch of the desire hd? no complaints?
I personally would wait for reviews before passing any judgement. Looking at specs alone can be deceiving.
Just a few weeks ago, people were complaining about the 800mhz cpu in the G2/DesireZ. But benchmarks show that it's just as fast, if not faster, than the 1ghz cpu in the Desire and Nexus One.
I agree with with the OP i was all set to pre order the Desire HD until i saw it had a smaller battery, HTC claim the new CPU etc requires a lot less power but i`ll hold on until people tell us what its like in the real world.
Well I like it for the SIZE...... and comes with FROYOOo.... The specs and the initial benchmarks tell the CPU is faster and the GPU is lil bit faster than the Galaxy S. We will wait and see.
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Well I like it for the SIZE
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have you used the phone yet or anything similar?
after my Touch HD i got the HD2 and it is HUGE, didnt feel right in my hand at all. sent it back and got a desire instead, so im not thinking i will like the desire HD
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have you used the phone yet or anything similar?
after my Touch HD i got the HD2 and it is HUGE, didnt feel right in my hand at all. sent it back and got a desire instead, so im not thinking i will like the desire HD
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Agreed, a step too far in terms of size
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I personally would wait for reviews before passing any judgement. Looking at specs alone can be deceiving.
Just a few weeks ago, people were complaining about the 800mhz cpu in the G2/DesireZ. But benchmarks show that it's just as fast, if not faster, than the 1ghz cpu in the Desire and Nexus One.
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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Yes, you didn't complain about the CPU. What I was trying to say is that you're complaining about a piece of hardware based on specs, just like how others were complaining about the 800mhz CPU previously.
My point is to just wait for the reviews. It could be that the battery life will last you a day and a half with heavy use. If that's the case, then there's no point in HTC slapping on a larger battery.
My opinion is battery life is the next big hurdle to overcome in terms of smartphones and I have to say I agree with the comments made along the lines of, where the battery is concerned, bigger is better.
It would be nice to go away for a few days without having to add to clean socks, skids and toilet bag, a mobile phone charger lol
unplug your pc and see how long that lasts?
These smart phones are mini computers ... and as such it's not suprising that you have to plug it in all the time ...
Look at the ATOM CPU... smaller CPU was ment for netbooks...
We have an evan smaller CPU .. ment for our " phones"
I agree with the comments and being an ex-user of HD2 which uses the same battery, the battery life really sucks as it will only last half a day when you have a lot of calls or sms.
What's the point of having a good specs smartphone but the battery cannot even last with such lithium ion, 1230mah battery since the size of the phone is so big?
In terms of sound and camera quality, HTC is still not good at these area no doubt they are in the smart phone market for many years than other manufacturers but their technology is still not as good.
Even if the firmware support is good but there is a limit with the hardware they have.
Just my sharing.
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I'm a desire owner, personally I think the HD is just too big,hence for a second phone, I have the x10 mini pro,perfect for making all my calls and texts , whilst I use my desire for all surfing needs.....
Desire white does look soooo sexy though!
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i know , btw i didnt complain with about the desire z cou haha , but what bugs me is that ok the new cpu might consume less, but take advantage of that an include the same battery as before to get BETTER battery life instead of trying to maintain the same crappy battery life
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I completely agree with you. Keeping the same battery + Better efficiency = Incredible battery life. I don't see why they would want to make it the same or "around" the same as the other handsets ??
What i care about battery, most stupidest and annoying design flaw is PUT ONLY 512mb rom to phone. Only ~40mb is left for all applications, mail cache, facebook & twitter & so on work memory (most of rom is used for android&sense&so on basic phone installation that you cannot modify without root). When free memory drops to 16mb, low memory warning is displayed and after that you cannot install any application, get updates and gmail sync is not working. so between 40mb and 16mb is 24mb cap available to use. Way too little!
fimae said:
What i care about battery, most stupidest and annoying design flaw is PUT ONLY 512mb rom to phone. Only ~40mb is left for all applications, mail cache, facebook & twitter & so on work memory (most of rom is used for android&sense&so on basic phone installation that you cannot modify without root). When free memory drops to 16mb, low memory warning is displayed and after that you cannot install any application, get updates and gmail sync is not working. so between 40mb and 16mb is 24mb cap available to use. Way too little!
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Yea unfortunately, I find that to take advantage of android to its absolute fullest, you have to root.
@chong
I have to counter your experience of the hd2 batt time. I easely cram over 15 hours from my hd2 - even if I run android.
I agree though that the 'out of the box' batt time is to low on most smartphones - but then again, most people doesn't seem to bother - iphone for example is terrible on batt time.
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I was expecting a lot more improvements from Desire HD versus the Desire.
Like:
- Higher resolution of the screen. It's 4.3 but the same resolution as the Desire, so you will end up with bigger pixels.
- Front facing camera. Facetime like experience is kinda girlie thingy, but actually ended up wanting this for example when you are on a long trip and you want to see your family.
- A faster processor - why not 1.2GHz?
- A kick stand, like the HTC Evo. Ended up wanting one of those while trying to watch some episodes of Friends on the plane. I had to hold the phone all the time - kinda frustrating.
At the end since it does not have higher specs compared to the Desire and since I swap my HD2, first because of Android, second because of the huge brick that I had to carry around, so I'm sticking with the Desire 1st gen.
why does everything has to be 4.3 inchs, I would love to see a better screen then an iphone 4G, and a tegra 2 Chip be awesome.
Think I'll lay off the Desire HD and Desire Z for now. There's not much noticeable improvement from our Desires. I'll wait for HTC's next big announcement
1-Guess
Most of us have tried HD roms on our Desires,right?No 720p video yet however.Just in case our devs haven't noticed,the HD and Z record video only at H.264 format.The standard Desire could only achieve 720p while recording in MPEG-4.Seeing as H.264 encoding is "tougher",could it be that the Desire is just incapable of recording H.264 720p?What if we tried to make it record in MPEG-4 even with HD roms?Just a guess...I'm not saying someone is wrong,in fact I don't even know what is going on!
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How hard would it be to change the cpu frequency values prior to flashing a rom,or even better after flashing it?
Most roms have a max overclock frequency of 1190MHz or 1152MHz,however we've seen that the HD2 with android can go all the way up to 1500MHz and it is practically the same device as our Desire.And for those who say "Why would you need to run @1,5GHz?The Desire is pretty damn fast as it is,it doesn't need any overclock(or just a slight one).",well,I am one crazy dude and a speed freak and want to see it reaching its limits,which I know are something beyond the 1190MHz available kernels allow for(and maybe even more than the 1382MHz OpenDesire allowed for).
So...Would I need to recompile the whole kernel to do it?
Thanks!And a happy new year!Let's hope 2011 goes kinda nice on us,or at least use a condom if it ****s us like 2010!
1) Some of us love AOSP ROMs so I can't comment on this, but maybe you should suggest this to some of the SenseHD developers?
2) 1190MHz is pretty much the absolute maximum for the Desire without resorting to overvolting. To change the maximum clock rate, you'd have to compile a kernel with a changed frequency table. This isn't hard, and with overvolting can yield some nice results (1.3GHz for example), but the Desire gets hot really fast and the performance gain does not justify the increase in VCORE that is required.
(And happy New Year to everyone reading this )
i think the HD recording issue on the HD roms is a radio issue, not a codec, remember we needed a desire froyo radio before our desires would do 720p, the htc framework and camera app, prob need a desire HD radio,
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1) Some of us love AOSP ROMs so I can't comment on this, but maybe you should suggest this to some of the SenseHD developers?
2) 1190MHz is pretty much the absolute maximum for the Desire without resorting to overvolting. To change the maximum clock rate, you'd have to compile a kernel with a changed frequency table. This isn't hard, and with overvolting can yield some nice results (1.3GHz for example), but the Desire gets hot really fast and the performance gain does not justify the increase in VCORE that is required.
(And happy New Year to everyone reading this )
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Happy new year to you too!
1)I think I said most of us have tried hd roms,not all...If I said all,well,my bad!
2)I know what happens and I don't intend to use my phone everyday clocked at the maximum.I just want to see what our bad boy can do,nothing more.Btw,do you know of any guide or instructions to comping a kernel and what voltage/frequency values I should use?
Thanks for your reply!
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AndroHero said:
i think the HD recording issue on the HD roms is a radio issue, not a codec, remember we needed a desire froyo radio before our desires would do 720p, the htc framework and camera app, prob need a desire HD radio,
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Well,one cannot be sure.If someone tries contacting the devs about it we might see some progress...Or we might see nothing from what I've said!
I would contact some devs myself,but I'm busy with my DHD( ) and with family celebrations/traveling,so it's kinda hard these days.Sorry!
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I have a Desire HD, and although I really like it, and have a great ROM from xda on it, i may be switching to the Desire. (Just getting a better deal for it)
The thing I will miss the most is the higher mp Camera and the dual flash.
But I hope I will be getting better battery on the Desire.
Apart from the camera, newer processor on the Desire HD (Is it that much better?), and screen size (which wont bother me much because I loved my Milestone), are there any other major differences?
Will I still be able to run Android 2.3.3 smoothly and stable on it? Will I still have the option that when I plug the device into a computer, the menu pops up on the phone and lets me take internet from the computer?
if im not wrong i think even though the desirehd has a newer cpu its still 1ghz like the desire. the desire runs 2.3 just fine.
i've never heard of that feature where you can use your pc to give your phone internet through usb. I've used my phone to give my pc internet through usb from a wireless router though.
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if im not wrong i think even though the desirehd has a newer cpu its still 1ghz like the desire. the desire runs 2.3 just fine.
i've never heard of that feature where you can use your pc to give your phone internet through usb. I've used my phone to give my pc internet through usb from a wireless router though.
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the feature is called
"Internet pass-through
Connect phone to internet via PC"
Also, how is the speaker on the Desire? I think the speaker on the DHD is kind of quiet for music and ringtones
the speaker is decent if you're in a quiet room but if theres noise it wont do for music. since its on the back on the phone i tend to put it down on a table and it makes it louder by reverberating off the table. ringtones are plenty loud
The desire's internal storage capacity is pretty crap, so you need data++, dat2whatever, aps2sd+ etc etc if you want just more than a few apps installed.
There is no official 2.3 release for the Desire yet. If you want the HD experience, just install a HD/Z/S ROM - I recommend InsertCoin CM7 v25. This way you are gonna get the HD feeling with android 2.3 and almost infinite storage (doubled by CM7 HBOOT with A2SD scripts).
Any more thoughts? I'm not sure if I will be pleased with the Desire
If I remember correctly, the 2nd generation Snapdragon on the Desire HD is quite a bit faster than the one on Desire even though they are clocked at the same speed. Also, be aware that the newer Adreno GPU on the DHD is like 3-4 times faster than the one on Desire so you'll notice the difference if you play lots of games.
Also somehow game-related is the dodgy multitouch hardware issue with the screen (not sure if it's still there on the HD). Basically it doesn't handle multitouch games very well. Do a search on HTC Desire multitouch for more info. Not to rant on the original but it is an "old" phone after all.
If you do decide to go on then may I suggest the RCMix S (2.3.3 Gingersense) ROM, if you're comfortable with rooting (you need to root anyway as the Desire has very small space for apps as others have mentioned). It's blazing fast and stable with a tiny dose of Sense 3.0 gradually phased in.
On the subject of battery life, well this is an HTC phone after all... I'm not sure if the DHD's battery is indeed worse but with a full battery my Desire can go on for about 4.5 hours straight with display on and browsing. By the way, I'm not using SetCPU or other clockspeed tweaks. With moderate use it's around 30-35 hours, which is pretty good in my opinion.
Might want to consider HTC Sensation, its coming out soon. It has better battery life
Yes,you should wait for the HTC Sensation
Seems a bit of a backwards step going from the hd to a desire? May as well wait for the S as others have said.
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It is a backwards step but I would also be getting some money too, which is why I wouldnt be waiting for Sensation. I dont want to be SPENDING more money
How much are you saving? How does this deal work, are you trading phones or are you getting a new contract with phone?
In the last case I would sell the desire and keep the hd.
Trading for phone and cash
I have a Desire and a friend of mine has DHD.
DHD's battery life are way worse than the Desire's. He can't even get to a to the end of the day without needing to charge it. On my Desire I get to 30% by the end of the day on moderate usage.
The DHD is a bit faster (It has a better processor, not in therms of clock speed). I'm running Insertcoin on my Desire (based on DHD rom), and it feels a bit slower on transitions and effects than the DHD.
I really love the buttons and the optical trackpad the Desire has, and I think it's much comfortable than the big size of the DHD.
If you get some money for the tradeoff I say you should do it.
I know They are both clocked at 1ghz, but the DHD has a newer chip... with a custom ROM will the classic Desire be able to run at nearly the same speed?
I honestly think you won't be dissapointed.
You won't be dissapointed, the smaller screen/form factor would be something to consider in your decision. The Desire has the USB tethering as you mentioned stock, as it does via WiFi. It will be updated soon to 2.3 and that will be faster than the Devs ROMs so after which the difference should be pretty seamless.
Another family member has the Desire HD and he is constantly charging it when I can get a day and a half without playing games or a day if so, of which we can play the same without any noticeable difference in performance.
You won't be unhappy with it, it plays all of the same games the DHD does but I would be put off if it was via a 24 month contract, if you are doing it that way.
The main aspect that will annoy you in the limited internal memory, but even the gig on the DHD is not going to allow you to install everything. Resolved by the AP2SD scripts when rooted.
On the plus side, I prefer the hardware buttons rather than the touch screen. And as for the camera, it's not really faultable, records the same def videos as the DHD too.
Hope that helped
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I know They are both clocked at 1ghz, but the DHD has a newer chip... with a custom ROM will the classic Desire be able to run at nearly the same speed?
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No offence but I think the information you look for are somewhat dumb.
Desire was released on March and HD was around near end of '10
Surely you can't expect a nearly 9 month gap to have no differences at all in software.
Of course DHD is better.
It is just that Desire CAN have the similar/same features as DHD have in SOFTWARE only if you root your phone
If you are a gamer, DO NOT get Desire. (I mean it)
Based on your requested features, using a DHD/2.1+3.0 Sense ROMs will allow you to have that Internet from PC to Phone feature.
Oh and Desire can get pretty warm at times.
If I can stomach the 4.3in I'd stick with DHD but hey if you need cash, why you still posting here? Trade-in then.
Desire and DHD don't have anything really different in my eyes beside the price, disregarding the real specs of the DHD.
You should wait and get Sensation or get Desire at this point of time, anything in between is just a bit of waste of money in my opinion.
Guys I need help with my G4, situation with gaming is kinda unbelievable... I'm running android 6.0, and most games can't hit over 20fps mark, practically gaming it's more of frustration than fun
Examples:
Dragons rise of berk - 15-16 fps
Real Racing 3 - 20-21 fps
Jurasic World - 18-19fps
FF lagacy - 25-26fps
And things gets more interesting, I have also G2 that makes on average 30% better fps on the same games. Did an Antutu test, G4 is way better than the same G2, huge difference in 3d test.
Checked the net for the issue and found on this site folks that have it but hadn't have in with the Lollipop before that. Please give me some pointers for a future actions, is it wise to try go back to 5.1 or maybe wait for the next update? Or anything at all, I'm open to all ideas as long as they don't cost me my warranty (these LGs are not the most durable devices out there...).
Thanks!
I swear its d3vice to d3vice. I use ps1 and other emulators all the time ive never really watched the frame rates but never noticed lag. I got a gear vr ive been doin a bunch of games on it and it runs killer.
But im on lolipop heavly debloated bare core system.
Stock rom is riddled with throttling while gaming, I did notice games like hearthstone and minecraft getting unplayable after 20 minutes or so, fix is the way of going custom kernel and disabling stock thermal settings, soc on our phone doesn't heat up as much as 810 anyways (also 1440p much more demanding than 1080p take that in to consideration as well)
Of course i tested the heating issue, when the phone is cold is just a bit better, but the same thing basically. For example it would be 1fps difference cold-hot. Also interestingly on Antutu my device scores more than the same G4 with the same soft. Just watching the 3d garden part the phone G4 kills G2, many times smother, but when you try real game is the other way around.
In the other threads people that can't play also score normal on benchmarks.
My phone came with 6.0 stock, so can anyone made the upgrade from Lollipop share their experience? Also if anyone with MM can actually play some on the games I mentioned above as an example?
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Of course i tested the heating issue, when the phone is cold is just a bit better, but the same thing basically. For example it would be 1fps difference cold-hot. Also interestingly on Antutu my device scores more than the same G4 with the same soft. Just watching the 3d garden part the phone G4 kills G2, many times smother, but when you try real game is the other way around.
In the other threads people that can't play also score normal on benchmarks.
My phone came with 6.0 stock, so can anyone made the upgrade from Lollipop share their experience? Also if anyone with MM can actually play some on the games I mentioned above as an example?
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wich kernel you use on G2? i wish there was a dorimanx for G4..
3.10.84 and the soft is V20d-EUR-XX. I'm definitely not a gamer, but can't accept having a G4 that performs like a 80$ lenovo neither... Honestly I was thinking of switching to Samsung, but 20min of reading and I was left with the feeling that this action would just gain me changing one problem with another ones. At lest here I have only that FPS issue...and besides it I like the phone and would strongly prefer not to switch with another brand.
The most irritating thing is that the phone has no signs of hardware problems. On the Gamebench site there's plenty of test done with the stock 5.1 rom - https://www.gamebench.net/en/node/117
As you can see the same games do on average 30fps, witch is as it should be.
Just found a thread discussing the same issue on Galaxy S6....thats it with the brand switching idea...
I don't believe I'll ever have a phone that has everything working in order...
vic1250 said:
Just found a thread discussing the same issue on Galaxy S6....thats it with the brand switching idea...
I don't believe I'll ever have a phone that has everything working in order...
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have you tried disabling the LOGD.?
vic1250 said:
Just found a thread discussing the same issue on Galaxy S6....thats it with the brand switching idea...
I don't believe I'll ever have a phone that has everything working in order...
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The g3 was a good one
G2 was even better considering the time it first came up, it was also faster than G3. Anyways G4 is better than both, i'm pretty sure this is just a software issue.
Disabling LOGD needs root, right?
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G2 was even better considering the time it first came up, it was also faster than G3. Anyways G4 is better than both, i'm pretty sure this is just a software issue.
Disabling LOGD needs root, right?
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yes and no..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/finally-disable-logd-process-root-stock-t3343553
Rolled back to lollipop.....now Antutu scores are higher, but gaming is better just a bit. Do you other G4 owners play any games at all? Can't believe no one complains?
Is a hardware problem possible if the phone runs all benchmark and stress tests perfectly?
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G2 was even better considering the time it first came up, it was also faster than G3. Anyways G4 is better than both, i'm pretty sure this is just a software issue.
Disabling LOGD needs root, right?
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There is a setting that you can toggle in Settings > Battery & power saving, and then turn off Game optimizer. Don't know if it would help, but it's worth a shot.
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Rolled back to lollipop.....now Antutu scores are higher, but gaming is better just a bit. Do you other G4 owners play any games at all? Can't believe no one complains?
Is a hardware problem possible if the phone runs all benchmark and stress tests perfectly?
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I've mentioned it a few times in previous posts, I think the gaming performance on this device is just simply horrendous.
vic1250 said:
Rolled back to lollipop.....now Antutu scores are higher, but gaming is better just a bit. Do you other G4 owners play any games at all? Can't believe no one complains?
Is a hardware problem possible if the phone runs all benchmark and stress tests perfectly?
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Like i said i play ps1 and loads of games on mine. never notice any lag. I just modded my gear vr to work on my g4 and all the vr apps and games run surprisingly very well. Ive never been one to do benchmarks. Look and feel is more important than numbers to me. Ive seen phones get low benchmarks and game really well.
Im on lolipop by the way
Tested another thing, picked 2 games from the gamebench site that have been tested on g4... So Modern Combat 5 - 29fps Boom Beach - 58fps, both run super fluid. And the scores are exactly like in their test.
Having said that Real Racing continues to be a lot worse but they do 32fps on average. How is this possible? Look like the problem is concentrated on some games, not logical to me? How would it be possible every device to chose individually what games it likes??
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Tested another thing, picked 2 games from the gamebench site that have been tested on g4... So Modern Combat 5 - 29fps Boom Beach - 58fps, both run super fluid. And the scores are exactly like in their test.
Having said that Real Racing continues to be a lot worse but they do 32fps on average. How is this possible? Look like the problem is concentrated on some games, not logical to me? How would it be possible every device to chose individually what games it likes??
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Try Sim City BuildIt out on your phone and follow the tutorial right through to Dans City and see how that runs, its pretty poor on mine.
Will try it, even better its a strategy one. Btw, phonearena had complains about underperforming gpu on this phone. Was playing in 1080p trick possible without root?
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Will try it, even better its a strategy one. Btw, phonearena had complains about underperforming gpu on this phone. Was playing in 1080p trick possible without root?
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Dont know about without root but that might be it. i forgot i had my resolution dropped to 1080 for a long time now.
Ive been runnin all my vr 3d intensives in 1080. And like i said ive never noticed lags.
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Dont know about without root but that might be it. i forgot i had my resolution dropped to 1080 for a long time now.
Ive been runnin all my vr 3d intensives in 1080. And like i said ive never noticed lags.
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When I play 3d scenes in Antutu they are 1080p, and G4 plays them a LOT smother than G2. So I guess that might solve the problem, 2k is absolutely unnecessary for gaming purposes on this small screen.
Also I'm not sure that the acctual intensity of the game is the main reason, thing looks more like game to game or optimizing issues.