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[Q] Which Rom is Which?

Hey I have an Incredible, and recently rooted and used the skyrider 2.52 rom. Then Verizon came out with "official froyo" and i downgraded and did the OTA. Well I hate the OTA because it has so many "spam" programs... So i would like to re root.... well there are so many different roms to choose from. Can some one explain the differences between them or the pluses and negatives of them. I like sence, but with froyo the sence isn't as nice as of upgrade above the stock as it was in 2.1. I like the facebook picture to contact integration, but i really don't know if stock has that either. I would just like a rom that is fast, efficient, and not a bunch of extra "b.s." that kills my battery. Any advice or comments are greatly apprieciated.
Thanks you
kmcrane

kmcrane said:
Hey I have an Incredible, and recently rooted and used the skyrider 2.52 rom. Then Verizon came out with "official froyo" and i downgraded and did the OTA. Well I hate the OTA because it has so many "spam" programs... So i would like to re root.... well there are so many different roms to choose from. Can some one explain the differences between them or the pluses and negatives of them. I like sence, but with froyo the sence isn't as nice as of upgrade above the stock as it was in 2.1. I like the facebook picture to contact integration, but i really don't know if stock has that either. I would just like a rom that is fast, efficient, and not a bunch of extra "b.s." that kills my battery. Any advice or comments are greatly apprieciated.
Thanks you
kmcrane
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IMO.
Vanilla = Ruby or SkyRaider
Sense = Virtuous
I think SkyRaider vanilla still has some sense left (I'm on virtuous atm) but I don't think any ROM Ive listed doesn't have the ability to us FB pics as I think it is part of the facebook app (I could be wrong).
Ruby is VERY fast and the latest version has killed off all the bugs that bothered me, but I kind of missed sense in places and also some of the SkyRaider features.
Virtuous doesn't get as good of Quadrant scores as the other two (for me) but runs REALLY smooth and I took out all the stuff I hated about sense.
All preference, but this should probably go in the Q&A forum. There are a few other posts just like this one (mine included) so you could read opinions already posted.

Try out Virtuous or Redemption. There are some others that are vanilla - no sense - but you have to try them for yourself. Each of the ones I mentioned removed all the bloat.
With regards to battery, look at the battery calibration thread.

First root using unrevoked 3.2
I recommend skyraider vanilla, its fully functional and has all the good stuff from vanilla. The only real things that it has from sense is the keyboard and dialer. Which I think is an improvement until a fully working CM Rom is released.
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Thank you for the replies, but i thought there was skyrider, with sence and skyrider vanilla (no sence) I like the sence, that is why i got the incredible instead od droid or droid x. But the new 2.2 is not good. thank you kappo9000 for your post. I used unrevoked 3.2 then used skyrider with sence (pre 3.0) and i liked it better than the new OTA. But I took a "stap in the dark" when i chose that. If this needs to move to a Q&A that is fine. I just downloaded and leard about roms here, so that is where i posted. I wish Verizon didn't bloatware our phones, it's like buying a new computer... pretty soon they will have a option to pay $50 and they will clean our phones before we get them.
Thanks again evberybody i will read this over for a few days then i will pick one. And as for the facebook thing, if i get it on any rom, then SWEET!

kmcrane said:
Thank you for the replies, but i thought there was skyrider, with sence and skyrider vanilla (no sence) I like the sence, that is why i got the incredible instead od droid or droid x. But the new 2.2 is not good. thank you kappo9000 for your post. I used unrevoked 3.2 then used skyrider with sence (pre 3.0) and i liked it better than the new OTA. But I took a "stap in the dark" when i chose that. If this needs to move to a Q&A that is fine. I just downloaded and leard about roms here, so that is where i posted. I wish Verizon didn't bloatware our phones, it's like buying a new computer... pretty soon they will have a option to pay $50 and they will clean our phones before we get them.
Thanks again evberybody i will read this over for a few days then i will pick one. And as for the facebook thing, if i get it on any rom, then SWEET!
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Pick up ROM Manager. It's the BEEEEEST way to test all the ROMs. My procedure is to go in and "Backup Current ROM" so I can name it how I like (today I backed up SkyRaider as 0908-SkyRaider3RC2 for instance) then just wipe my data and cache when I install a new one without backing up.
Then I'll play with the new ROM for a while, and, if I like it, I'll back that one up to either install a new ROM or go back to one of my others.
In effect, you can take a snapshot of a ROM/config and roll between all of them to find out which one you like better. You can do that for yours now and play with whatever you like. Be warned : with all the REALLY good ROMs in this forum, you will suck up an entire night or two just playing with them I just wish the guys I work with did such a pro job like they do.

I think there are a few ways to go:
Pure minimalistic AOSP builds - Ruby / IncredibleDoes
More tweakable AOSP builds - CM
Senseless - Redemption, Virtuous (if remove sense apks) and SR Vanilla
Sense- Redemption, Virtuous, SR Sense, Stock
PS Not so sure with Redemption and Virtuous, haven't tried them before.
I personally like the minimal style of Ruby / ID, but it's all about personal preference. These ROMs all are fantastic in their own way, so try them out!
Haha, and yes, I have spent (*ahem. Read: WASTED) entire nights tweaking / trying out just ONE ROM. xD
Anyway, happy ROM-hunting! Do let us know which you pick =]

one problem. Unrevoked 3.2 is gone, and i can't seem to root 2.2 so do i have to downgrade first? and if so what is the best way?

I too am new to this ROM installing business, but so far I think that I'm leaning towards Ruby. Seems light and will be a nice change from what I've been used to.
And about your rooting question kmcrane, it is probably best just to wait for the unrevoked team to finish up with v3.21 instead of going through a rough downgrade process. It probably will not take them too much longer anyway. (their twitter feed said earlier today that they were going to be putting out test builds soon)

OK well i went back to 2.1 rooted and installed.......... Virtuous 2.6! I think it is the closest to stock Incredible froyo that is very complete. I like the screen shots of SkyRaider Sence, but there are updates and bugs with that.. I will keep an eye on that one and maybe use the rom manager to back up, then try that one. I would like to thank everyone who replied on here to help me, and everyone that posted the endless amounts on posts on XDA forums. I have read so many "how to's" and everyone is just great! I wish we could all just go out for a beer sometime! HAHA Thanks all!

I'd recommend SkyRaider Sense any day!.. Sky Raider has put in a lot of effort into making this aesthetically pleasing and stable. With virtuous, you are as good as installing the official ota..
If you want to have the benefit of sense, with a few modifications to sense.. go with skyraider.

kappo9000 said:
IMO.
Vanilla = Ruby or SkyRaider
Sense = Virtuous
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I 2nd these choices but haven't tried Ruby. SkyRaider was the first Rom I tried and I've on n have used virtuous the longest so far and love it. I've also tried CM, Frankenrom, and Fourth Wave but it errored on install and the forums say something about upgrading hboot which I won't do so I deleted it.
Good call!
Sent from DInc running Virtuous ROM

I have v 2.6 now. I see the screen shots of skyraider with sence and it looks cool. Redemption has new 2.0 and it looks like you can add mods to change it up... if i back up my v 2.6 and try a different rom, do i reinstall all my apps? Can i use app brain to help with that? Cause i have 50+ apps. I would like a stock-like rom and maybe one totally different... also what does Vanilla mean? I see sence, stock, and vanilla..... what is the differences and advantages of each?
Thanks guys/gals
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

kmcrane said:
I see sence, stock, and vanilla..... what is the differences and advantages of each?
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Here's what I understand and someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Sense is the ROM with SenseUI code (extra coding that makes the HTC's so neat compared to Moto)
Stock is pretty much just as it was when you bought it. (original ROM installed by manufacturer)
Vanilla is pretty much the Android OS running on a particular phone without the extra coding (like on the Sense)
Many of the ROM's have both a sense and a vanilla version so if you like Sense and it's widgets etc. you can get that one and if you want to customize the most you can get the vanilla.
Virtuous is an awesome ROM. Skyraider has both sense and vanilla avail. Ruby is just vanilla and also Cyanogen if I'm not mistaken.
Hope this helps some!

I upgraded to Virtuous 2.7 and it is cool. I guess with all the modding and roms, i have gotten bit by the customize bug. Virtuous ROM was fine, but pretty much the same as the stock (except a few small things in 2.7) I think i want something different and fresh. Circle Battery looks cool. maybe something where i can customize the bottom buttons (phone, all apps, and add to home) it would be nice to change those. The main thing is i don't want crap unwanted software, (city id, amazon mp3, etc...) Thanks again for all the help and input,

Oh kmcrane, SkyRaider vanilla latest release showed up on ROM manager a few hours ago!

I've been using the new Virtuous 2.7 with the battery saving kernel and really liking it. Basically, it's like a stock froyo with some liposuction and a bit of plastic surgery--crapware all gone, some very nice SmoothSense modifications, and rock solid (no crashes or FCs). With the alternative kernel, you can add SetCPU and customize settings to maximize battery life.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

Can we get a poll on what Rom is the most popular?

I would love to see which ROMs are the most popular over time (kinda like a Live poll)
Also on this thread I would like to know why you chose your ROM to help me make the choice on which ROM I might try next. Is this possible?
I have used Uncommon Sense, SkyRaider, Virtuous and my current and favorite ROM is Redemptive rEVOlution 2.1.3.
I really like RRevo 2.1.3 because it is fast, stable, great dev support, clean, and great battery life.

I use virtuous because I love stock HTC sense and just wanted to be able to change a few things a bit easier.
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Skyraider Sense for me.

Lou's Senseless w/launcher pro plus (I've been experimenting with go launcher and actually would like it better if it had scrolling widgets)
smooth as silk using Lou's #4 kernel, #5 didn't do it for me

bkrickles said:
Lou's Senseless w/launcher pro plus (I've been experimenting with go launcher and actually would like it better if it had scrolling widgets)
smooth as silk using Lou's #4 kernel, #5 didn't do it for me
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What was different on 4? I am trying to decide which one to use now.

Myn's Warm 2.2 for me, at the moment. Tried them most of them out there - haven't found a bad one yet! The Devs here all do great work.

Was the desire z but keep coming back to cyanogen. It's very quick, highly customisable, and nightly builds are awesome.
Sent from my Incredible

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What was different on 4? I am trying to decide which one to use now.
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I can't tell you for sure that battery life is better on #4 because I didn't try #5 for more than 12 hours or so, but I can tell you that battery life on #4 is terrific and it is definitely smoother for me as far as transitioning between screens and apps within the 2 launchers I use (lp+ and go launcher). I would give both a try and I would give chad's a try too as his is great also (better than #5 and similar to #4).
Every phone seems to react differently so just check them out.
sorry I can't be more helpful

MIUI for me as of right now. Using incrediblek's #18. Lovin' it.
jc

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I can't tell you for sure that battery life is better on #4 because I didn't try #5 for more than 12 hours or so, but I can tell you that battery life on #4 is terrific and it is definitely smoother for me as far as transitioning between screens and apps within the 2 launchers I use (lp+ and go launcher). I would give both a try and I would give chad's a try too as his is great also (better than #5 and similar to #4).
Every phone seems to react differently so just check them out.
sorry I can't be more helpful
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I am trying 4 now. Thanks for thoughts, helped a lot

myns 2.2 right now. I tried most of the roms on here, and that's my favorite mainly because of rosie. Running the new kernel posted by lou and it's a great combo.

I used skyraider for a while, really liked, but currently using myns warm 2.2 for last week, both are great.

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Best ROM
Evervolv AOSP for me

I'm using Myns Warm 2 Point 2 as well at the moment.
I've tried CM, SR (sense, vanilla), RR... These are all great too.
I don't like MIUI all that much
I would also give mention to Blackdroids Ultimate AOSP Rom. Very good....
Favorite?
Myns Warm 2.2... XD For the win

you should try myn's 2.2 next, im using it right now and its my fav/fastest sense yet

CM nightly (has the led & camcorder fix) with Incrediblik #16 and Dark Froyo theme. I really like Lou's Redemptive but don’t like sense. But I love CM. The Dark Froyo theme put them together perfectly for me.
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nbanicholas said:
you should try myn's 2.2 next, im using it right now and its my fav/fastest sense yet
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I will try this next, any tweeks worth adding to this?

Definitely for me, CM6.

Just click on the "Stats" button on the top bar. It'll sort each thread by how many views/posts. Obviously the ones with the most views/posts are the most popular.

[Q] Noob needs some help!

Whats up guys? been following this site for a while.. but never joined lol because i didnt have a decent phone.. Well now i have a evo that i just rooted with unrevoked, as well as i have flashed over to Amon_ra. Now my question is (besides i will do a lot more reading but..) What do i do next? i am wanting my phone to run as it did stock (no glitching or crash's) I want to overclock the evo for more speed, I heard of cm6 & turbo ... (not sure of the full name) is pretty insane fps wise and the quickness it allows. If i could have figured this out by searching, i am sorry i am just very persistant lol.
Thanks again,
you guys are AWESOME!

Evilev0 said:
Whats up guys? been following this site for a while.. but never joined lol because i didnt have a decent phone.. Well now i have a evo that i just rooted with unrevoked, as well as i have flashed over to Amon_ra. Now my question is (besides i will do a lot more reading but..) What do i do next? i am wanting my phone to run as it did stock (no glitching or crash's) I want to overclock the evo for more speed, I heard of cm6 & turbo ... (not sure of the full name) is pretty insane fps wise and the quickness it allows. If i could have figured this out by searching, i am sorry i am just very persistant lol.
Thanks again,
you guys are AWESOME!
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Well you can always just run the Stock rooted ROM and find a good kernel compatible with it.

try myns warm twopointtwo. wait for rls5 to come out or it will be glitchy with your hardware.
welcome to the root crew.

Welcome
If you are looking for something similar to stock I would personally try "Sprint Lovers Rom". You can install any kernel you want and download "Setcpu" to overclock your phone. My favorite rom is Myns Warm two point two, but I am waiting until he releases his next version which should be compatible with the new Radios, PRI, PRLS etc. You might also want to stay away from any of the Gingerbread based roms until they are fully ported over and bug free.
The rom you mentioned in your post is Cyanogen Mod. Although this is a good rom, it is also an AOSP rom which doesn't have HTC Sense. Therefore if your looking for something similar to stock but with all the tweaks and goodies you should choose a Sense Based Rom.
Best advise is to just keep flashing & flashing until you find the Rom that you like best. Everyone's tastes are different and there is no "Best Rom" out there, it just personal preference.
Hope this helps

Thank you all, who responded I am gonna try out the "Sprint lovers"
"Myna" roms far as the kernel I am not to sure about those just yet. Need to read up still.. lol So for now I am very open to suggestions . I look forward to expanding my knowledge on here with ya'll. I just don't want to brick my phone, I will die! Lol I love my evo!
P.s do I do the "Back up's" and "Nandroid" back up's, when changing roms and kernels?
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first, DEFINETALLY DO A NANDROID BACKUP. as a general rule, backup whenever you like the state your phone is in (before you make a mod) and always have at least one backup handy always. titanium backups are helpful for changing roms because you can get all your app's data back. helpful on games and the like.
for kernels, i would suggest netarchy's 4.3. he says its is beta, but thats just because net likes his work to be perfect. it is as stable as anythign else. it has a nice sbc tweak as well. test many kernels. those are particular by phone. that is why people with the same phone get different battery life. what works well on one phone is terrible on another. so try netarchy's, maybe kingx's (off forum), and some others. i cant think of any more. i personally use netarchys though.

Newbie - Which Rom?

Hey everyone!
I'll be honest; my phone has been running sprint lovers rom since late december last year and it works great. Since then, I haven't really looked at the scene or any developments (same with android). However, I started getting prompted about the OTA update, so I figure its time to look at a new custom ROM. Sadly sprint lovers no longer appears to be updated - I liked it because everything just worked.
I have the following requirements: All phone features need to work.
So, I found the AllianceROM, from what I can tell everything works with the rom. Are there any other roms I may want to look at? Will my nand unlock and root work? Most of the rom installers say to run the latest version of autoroot - is that really necessary?
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your input!!

kingsrom alliance is great also hyrbids sense 3.0 themed all sense 3.0 rom's are Good but have horrible battery life cuz of no custom kernels because HTC hasn't released the kernel source
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I love these roms miui , decks with sz kernel sbc , cm7 with a custom kenrel sbc ,and end of days with a custom kernel with sbc
or if you want a sense rom the perfect one is warm 2.2 or konis elite series 3 with netarchys sbc kernel
myns warm 2.2 link------->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471
evo decks-----------)http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1078558
end of days--------->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065414
miui---------> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915527
cm7--------->>>>>>>
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=956187
konis elite series http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941055

custom kernels
dont use these 2 on sense roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917755 sz kernel sbc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=972746 tiamat sbc
use this one for sense roms http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763

Personally, I recommend CM7 along with the Tiamat Kernel, powered with viperboy's scripts.

msarro said:
Hey everyone!
I'll be honest; my phone has been running sprint lovers rom since late december last year and it works great. Since then, I haven't really looked at the scene or any developments (same with android). However, I started getting prompted about the OTA update, so I figure its time to look at a new custom ROM. Sadly sprint lovers no longer appears to be updated - I liked it because everything just worked.
I have the following requirements: All phone features need to work.
So, I found the AllianceROM, from what I can tell everything works with the rom. Are there any other roms I may want to look at? Will my nand unlock and root work? Most of the rom installers say to run the latest version of autoroot - is that really necessary?
Thanks everyone, I appreciate your input!!
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Hello there, friend.
The previous posts have everything pretty much nailed down... but there's a few thinks I have to add.
As a Newbie that I am, I have been flashing nonstop, trying many roms.
Basically and on a quick run-down of what I remember right now..:
If you want your phone to look Apple-ish, try MIUI. not everything works, or you have to jump through hoops to get it to work. Personally, not my cup of tea, but it's light (sizewise) and quick. Too many bugs, tho.
Cyanogen is the standard AOSP (Open Source) ROM. I didn't like it that much. With it, I found I am a Sense guy. Still a little buggy but 4G works (a big downfall in many AOSP ROMS).
Virus' Kingdom REVOlution is a great Sense 3.0 ROM. MY pet peeves with it are: Browser force closes (FC) and no spanish dictionary for touch input. I am bi-lingual so I NEED this. This ROM has a carrousel (sp) home window and it REALLY LOOKS NICE. It's a battery hog, but you will get that with sense 3.0 roms and 2.1 with 3.0 elements pushed into it. It's the price you pay for nice eye-candy. If you get this ROM, make sure you partition your card as directed in one of their thousands of posts. Search will do you well here. This is because the ROM occupies a lot of space in your phone and as you install apps, you will eventually be left with very low memory for your other tasks.
Mik's ROMS are very solid, but I simply don't like the way they look. Truth is, I can't be simpler than this. If you make a ROM, make it look nice. The idea behind rooting, for many, is to be able to use the hotspot capabilities, but for many of us, looks also matter. Sometimes, a LOT.
Myn's ROMS, I define with just a simple phrase: ROCK SOLID.
* Warm Z is awesome. Landscape support for main screen, polished beautiful looks and great battery life make this a keeper... if you don't care about having 4G. Since this ROM is based off the Desire HD, it has no 4G support.
* Warm 2.2 is the most solid of them all. Everything works. Towards the end, I ran my battery close to 24 hrs with this mod and the Netarchy 4.3.4 (HAVS, aggressive yaddah plus whatever, I can't remember now) and had NO ISSUES AT ALL. It was a daily for more than 2 months. With some mods that Myn lists in that same page you can make it look even nicer.
STEEL ROMS are basically stock roms that have been tweaked to WORK, and that, they do, and they do it very well. As with these kinds of ROMS, expect heavy files (anywhere from 250 - 300 MB and maybe more).
I hope this has helped you a bit, friend. Happy wiping!

yeah and viperboys scripts are badass battery life savers

Here is the link to a ROM with sprintlover's base :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1118063

Try Vaelpak's GB ROM: http://vaelek.com/index.php?/forum/47-vaelpak-gingerbread-aosp/?. I recently jumped into MIUI, and its very stable, contrary to what someone else said. CM7 may be the "standard," but Deck and Vaelpak are very good AOSP ROMs. Kernel-wise (for AOSP), I love the sz kernel and viperboy's uv scripts are great.

[Q] Noob here - Asking for your opinions on starting ROM's.

I just downgraded my G2 to 2.2, so im ready to start flashing some ROM's. I'm pretty new to all of this so its all pretty exciting. What ROM's would you guys suggest I start out with as being my first experience? Definitely would appreciate a much smoother performance, links would be awesome if it isn't too much trouble.
Im sure that many people have asked this, and I apologize if that's the case. I looked through a good amount of threads, and couldn't find anything that helped me.

If you are a fan of sense then one of the virtuous ROMs may be for you
http://www.virtuousrom.com/
or if you are wanting smooth,not as resource hungry
CM 7 which is also popular and is an open source project(AOSP)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1297574
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/forum/150-htc-desire-z-g2/

In addition to those above:
Virtuous G-Lite is a stock AOSP rom that is VERY quick and stable. Very good on battery as well.
MIUI is based on AOSP and is usually updated every 2 weeks with tweaks and fixes. Has a UI that is very much like the iOS crowd but is extremely customizable to your tastes.
Check them out!

Athrun88 said:
Virtuous G-Lite is a stock AOSP rom that is VERY quick and stable. Very good on battery as well.
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I just recently started playing with ROM's and I have to agree that Virtuous G-Lite is very nice.
I tried CM7 but it had issues with google apps, however I am sure these issues will be ironed out in the future. I'm generally not a fan of any platform that doesn't make serious attempts to be as compatible as possible with stock software, which is why I ultimately chose G-Lite.
Another reason why I chose G-Lite was because of the simplicity of the install. It auto-wipes everything that needs to be wiped, is very light-weight, very familiar, and is highly compatible with all of my favorite stock apps, in addition to my post-stock apps. I highly recommend it as a first-timer try.
Only problem I had up front was no Swype, but it was an incredibly easy fix. I'll provide the link to the G-Lite forum post that I started regarding configurations and tweaks to optimize G-Lite to perfection.\
Link to download G-Lite:
http://www.virtuousrom.com/p/g-lite.html
Swype Fix Link:
http://forums.virtuousrom.com/index.php/topic,395.0.html
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