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[Q] Bloatware Reappears on Restart

So I used Visionary to root my HTC Desire Z, checked that it was rooted with Android Terminal Emulator using su returning #
I then proceeded to delete all the .apk's of the bloatware in /system/app folder
Upon restart they reappeared. I've tried 3 different file managers and I also tried deleting their data folders in /data/data and now matter what I do they reappear on a restart.
Does this mean it is hard coded into the ROM? DO I have to wait for a permanent root and flash a new stock ROM minus the bloatware?
Anyone found a solution or maybe i'm doing it wrong...

This is another example of where we're miles behind the G2 forums. Check out the G2 ROM Dev forum, there is an app there to show how you can delete built-in apps and then they won't reappear.
But BE CAREFUL ! It will probably be the case that if you go down this road, you may have a problem with future OTA updates.
The reason it's not working with your current method is that you're not really deleting anything. Write access to the internal storage is not possible right now (it is being worked on intensively for the G2), so the phone is caching the file system and making it appear they've been deleted, but the internal storage hasn't been updated. So when you reboot, the app just comes back again. This is how come there's been a myth that the phone automatically "un-does" any changes and resets itself when you reboot - it's not really doing that, because you didn't make any permanent changes in the first place.

steviewevie said:
This is another example of where we're miles behind the G2 forums. Check out the G2 ROM Dev forum, there is an app there to show how you can delete built-in apps and then they won't reappear.
But BE CAREFUL ! It will probably be the case that if you go down this road, you may have a problem with future OTA updates.
The reason it's not working with your current method is that you're not really deleting anything. Write access to the internal storage is not possible right now (it is being worked on intensively for the G2), so the phone is caching the file system and making it appear they've been deleted, but the internal storage hasn't been updated. So when you reboot, the app just comes back again. This is how come there's been a myth that the phone automatically "un-does" any changes and resets itself when you reboot - it's not really doing that, because you didn't make any permanent changes in the first place.
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Thanks for the explanation! Hmm yeah, I don't know if I want to start flashing roms or leave it stock because it's pretty decent stock. And I did hear that updating/upgrading to new OS's have problems is you delete the bloatware programs...
Thanks again

st1n6r4y said:
So I used Visionary to root my HTC Desire Z, checked that it was rooted with Android Terminal Emulator using su returning #
I then proceeded to delete all the .apk's of the bloatware in /system/app folder
Upon restart they reappeared. I've tried 3 different file managers and I also tried deleting their data folders in /data/data and now matter what I do they reappear on a restart.
Does this mean it is hard coded into the ROM? DO I have to wait for a permanent root and flash a new stock ROM minus the bloatware?
Anyone found a solution or maybe i'm doing it wrong...
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try this method:
1. install VISIONary
2. install busybox
3. install titanium backup
4. run VISIONary
5. Run BusyBox
6. install busybox through the installer
7. run Titanium Back-up
8. find the app you don't want
9. press and hold and an a contextual menu will pop up and select the last option
or check our this link: http://android.modaco.com/content/h...move-applications-using-the-recovery-exploit/
i did it this way and have master reset many times and all the Bell Bloatware is gone, BUT... i had to repeat the steps 4 - 9 after each time, but the crapware is gone!

seattleboi1982 said:
try this method:
1. install VISIONary
2. install busybox
3. install titanium backup
4. run VISIONary
5. Run BusyBox
6. install busybox through the installer
7. run Titanium Back-up
8. find the app you don't want
9. press and hold and an a contextual menu will pop up and select the last option
or check our this link: http://android.modaco.com/content/h...move-applications-using-the-recovery-exploit/
i did it this way and have master reset many times and all the Bell Bloatware is gone, BUT... i had to repeat the steps 4 - 9 after each time, but the crapware is gone!
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Cool thanks!

seattleboi1982 said:
try this method:
1. install VISIONary
2. install busybox
3. install titanium backup
4. run VISIONary
5. Run BusyBox
6. install busybox through the installer
7. run Titanium Back-up
8. find the app you don't want
9. press and hold and an a contextual menu will pop up and select the last option
or check our this link: http://android.modaco.com/content/h...move-applications-using-the-recovery-exploit/
i did it this way and have master reset many times and all the Bell Bloatware is gone, BUT... i had to repeat the steps 4 - 9 after each time, but the crapware is gone!
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Tried this method. Everything works fine (rooted, Busybox installed), but when I try to pick the option to "Force remove app (by recovery exploit)" I get the error message "Cannot remove system app, Failed to locate apk file".
What am I doing wrong?

redpoint73 said:
Tried this method. Everything works fine (rooted, Busybox installed), but when I try to pick the option to "Force remove app (by recovery exploit)" I get the error message "Cannot remove system app, Failed to locate apk file".
What am I doing wrong?
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Never mind, I figured it out. You need to have either S-OFF or CID unlock in order for this method to work. I was only rooted, and intentionally not S-OFF and SuperCID. I used the gfree method to S-OFF and SuperCID, and the above method of removing the bloatware seems to be working perfectly now.

redpoint73 said:
Never mind, I figured it out. You need to have either S-OFF or CID unlock in order for this method to work. I was only rooted, and intentionally not S-OFF and SuperCID. I used the gfree method to S-OFF and SuperCID, and the above method of removing the bloatware seems to be working perfectly now.
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It was the S-OFF. Unless you have S-OFF, you still have write protection on the system and recovery partitions. So apps will appear to get deleted as the information is written to cache. But they'll come back on a reboot because the information was never written to (deleted from) permanent storage.

So if I'm rooted using Visionary and have S off using the gfree method but I never installed busybox.. What would be the best method? Can I just install busybox and install or would I need to do another method?
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Rickroller said:
So if I'm rooted using Visionary and have S off using the gfree method but I never installed busybox.. What would be the best method? Can I just install busybox and install or would I need to do another method?
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App
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Just install Busybox.
The above method worked great EXCEPT for one app: Kobo (e-reader). I've tried to force remove in Titanium Backup three times now, and also tried using the "regular" un-install option in Titanium Backup. Every time the phone reboots, Kobo is still there.
Any ideas?

I used an app called system app remover i think thats the name...not 100% suree...but i got it to get rid of wifi calling cuz im on roger and tmobile wifi calling wouldnt work so i tried the titanium back up method and it didnt work so i looked around and android underground had a download for the app and it removed the app and it went into an fc loop so i pulled the battery and it is gone and rom runs perfectly fine
Sent from my HTC DesireZed

SN4K3B1T3 said:
I used an app called system app remover i think thats the name...not 100% suree...but i got it to get rid of wifi calling cuz im on roger and tmobile wifi calling wouldnt work so i tried the titanium back up method and it didnt work so i looked around and android underground had a download for the app and it removed the app and it went into an fc loop so i pulled the battery and it is gone and rom runs perfectly fine
Sent from my HTC DesireZed
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Using an app called Absolute System Root Tool has the feature to uninstall system apps, and this worked for me to remove Kobo.

[Q] How to remove stock apps

I found a guide around here before about how to remove system apps. Ive went through a couple of guides but cant seen to find it again. In the guide it had something along the lines of adb shell, the mounting the apps folder then removing them some how. Can anyone link me or know how to remove these apps such as friend stream. Thanks

under what circumstances are you trying to remove them??
i would advise a permroot, titanium backup and also about an hour, which apps do you want to remove?

Im fully rooted, s-off, recovery and all installed and i did remove the amazonmp3 app before but cant remember the command lines to do it
thanks

as far as ADB goes for me, im not too sure, unfortuantly,
i used the above method, and with that i removed all the bloatware i didnt want. i have S-Off , permroot and various other bits,
as you can see i cam from the X10i background and we didnt do a lot of custom roms and other bits there.

Thats ok, i tried using titanium backup to remove but didnt work for me so i was looking through these forums for the adb command line code, hopefully someone knows it lol

on titanium backup, you need to press the app you want to tremove for a while then itll bring up another menu, you need to do the recovery exploit uninstall, that will remove the app PERMANENTLY
give it a try youll see what i mean

SystemApp Remover is excellent, requires root.

what is root ?

MrGarak said:
SystemApp Remover is excellent, requires root.
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Does it "brick" OTA updates like the TB method?

Rooted Desire keeps asking for Superuser permissions

I've searched high and low for a solution to this that works for me, both here and everywhere else Google would point me, but I have yet to find one that works, so I hope someone can help me.
I've an original Desire running a rooted Froyo ROM, which was rooted using unrevoked ages ago (probably a year or so no). When I originally rooted it, everything worked perfectly. A few months ago I ran the newest version of unrevoked over it again to update the recovery to the latest clockwork and it appeared to work fine, but ever since I did this the superuser app will continually pop up asking for permissions every time any app that needs root is run (sometimes MANY times, as when Titanium backup is run).
I've tried different things to see if I could fix it - clearing the data for the Superuser app, clearing the Dalvik cache, even reflashing the older clockwork recovery back onto my phone with the older version of unrevoked which originally worked, but with no luck. The phone is still S-ON, but I don't see why that would matter when I had no problems with the original rooting of the phone.
I'm stuck and am not sure where to go from here, so any advice would be very appreciated.

Ommadawn said:
I've searched high and low for a solution to this that works for me, both here and everywhere else Google would point me, but I have yet to find one that works, so I hope someone can help me.
I've an original Desire running a rooted Froyo ROM, which was rooted using unrevoked ages ago (probably a year or so no). When I originally rooted it, everything worked perfectly. A few months ago I ran the newest version of unrevoked over it again to update the recovery to the latest clockwork and it appeared to work fine, but ever since I did this the superuser app will continually pop up asking for permissions every time any app that needs root is run (sometimes MANY times, as when Titanium backup is run).
I've tried different things to see if I could fix it - clearing the data for the Superuser app, clearing the Dalvik cache, even reflashing the older clockwork recovery back onto my phone with the older version of unrevoked which originally worked, but with no luck. The phone is still S-ON, but I don't see why that would matter when I had no problems with the original rooting of the phone.
I'm stuck and am not sure where to go from here, so any advice would be very appreciated.
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When you're on Superuser app, do you see your apps with green button on the rigth ?
Witch version of Superuser app do you use ? Mine is v2.3.6.3 with cmd su v2.3.1-ef

Also, when being asked for permission, is "Remember" checked?

why not just re-root?

punky.mtp said:
When you're on Superuser app, do you see your apps with green button on the rigth ?
Witch version of Superuser app do you use ? Mine is v2.3.6.3 with cmd su v2.3.1-ef
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Yes you should have a list of allowed apps on opening the su app itself - click apps on top left. The allowed apps shouldn't keep requesting permission each time.
You coukkd uninstall su app then reinstall from market?
Nandroid backup first!

Thanks for the all the replies, much appreciated!
@punky.mtp & @stringer7: Yes, I can see the apps I've granted permissions to in the Superuser app, each has a green button against it. I'm not sure of the current version of SU I'm running, but I know it's not the latest version. I've tried to update it from the Market but it won't over-write the existing installed SU. I'm doing a nandroid as I type and will try uninstalling and reinstalling to see if that helps.
@HiVoltage85: Yes, I've set the remember checkbox as well for each app when granting permission.
@BigMrB: I've already re-rooted with different versions of unrevoked, several times, which hasn't fixed the problem.
I'll let you know how I go.

Sorry, I'm giving away my ignorance, but how do I uninstall my current Superuser app? The uninstall button is disabled in the manage applications part of the phone's setup.
Edit - Never mind, I found how to do it.

Looks like I have it fixed. I was able to remove the old Superuser app and install a new one from recovery (v2.3.6.3) which works properly and doesn't keep asking for permissions repeatedly. Thanks for the suggestions and help!

[Q] Titanium Backup not working

After flashing runnymede v5.0 AIO, i'm not able to use titanium backup anymore, it says that it isn't able to get root access,
I tried busybox update from titanium backup itself, it failed,
Then the one from market, still not working
After that i checked if i had proper root, i did, but still i re-ran gingerbreak. Still no result. Is there any other solution? other root apps work..

That seems odd :/
Gonna sound fairly basic, but you gotta start somewhere.
Does Titanium show up in the allowed list in SU?
Has it requested SU?
Hav you e-mailed dev? sounds more like a bug if its the only root app not working.
my 2c.

No it doesn't, in the log it says denied for Titanium Backup, however it never showed me a pop up, and in the settings of SU i enabled the option that it allows every app, still no succes

it still sounds like a bug in the app from here. Like I said though, that's only my opinion. Which version of Titanium is it (not number, but paid or free)?

It is the paid version

Again, just a thought, but have you tried using the free version? Just to see if its Titanium in general or just that one app?

I have tried the free version.. No success..

Did a factory reset and flashed the rom again, Titanium backup working fine now.

[Q] Lost Super User in App Drawer

I used the Casual.Jar to gain Root and it worked. I also installed Voodoo's Rootkeeper and backuped up the S.U.
I then came to find out that Time/Warner was offering live T.V. on my Galaxy Nexus , but would not work if the phone was rooted. Well I used Rootkeeper to temporarily remove root so I could try the Time Warner app. Well it still would not work. So I read some posts in a different threads and followed instructions... I deleted the S.U. App from my phone thinking that because I backed it up thru rootkeeper , I would be safe.... I was wrong! Something is not right!
When I invoke Rootkeeper and tell it to restore S,.U., it does not work.(I have to force close it) When I try to re-install S.U. from the playstore, it shows installed. I also downloaded S.U. update fixer and that does not work, it runs in a 1/4 window on my nexus and i cant tap anything. So I figured Why not run Casual.Jar again and it would fix everything. Nope! When I run rootkeeper it shows every boxed checked except Device Rooted in the status window. It also gives me the option to Delete S.U, back up AND below that ....Temp. un-root (keeps backup) But When I try either of those 2 options nothing happens and I have to force close it.
Please help. I would like to restore Root and I guess another back up of S. U. before I run the update 4.04 that Verizon pushed to my phone (I just keep tapping install later. HELP!

laserbiz said:
I used the Casual.Jar to gain Root and it worked. I also installed Voodoo's Rootkeeper and backuped up the S.U.
I then came to find out that Time/Warner was offering live T.V. on my Galaxy Nexus , but would not work if the phone was rooted. Well I used Rootkeeper to temporarily remove root so I could try the Time Warner app. Well it still would not work. So I read some posts in a different threads and followed instructions... I deleted the S.U. App from my phone thinking that because I backed it up thru rootkeeper , I would be safe.... I was wrong! Something is not right!
When I invoke Rootkeeper and tell it to restore S,.U., it does not work.(I have to force close it) When I try to re-install S.U. from the playstore, it shows installed. I also downloaded S.U. update fixer and that does not work, it runs in a 1/4 window on my nexus and i cant tap anything. So I figured Why not run Casual.Jar again and it would fix everything. Nope! When I run rootkeeper it shows every boxed checked except Device Rooted in the status window. It also gives me the option to Delete S.U, back up AND below that ....Temp. un-root (keeps backup) But When I try either of those 2 options nothing happens and I have to force close it.
Please help. I would like to restore Root and I guess another back up of S. U. before I run the update 4.04 that Verizon pushed to my phone (I just keep tapping install later. HELP!
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CASUAL is just a fancy script that does this. Do it manually yourself, and you will be fine.

Thank you for your reply! But no way can I do this manually I do not have any idea of most of whats going on in that thread you directed me too! That looks way too involved. Thanks again.