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[Q] Low available memory after flashing evolved rom final

I flashed the final evolved rom to my evo "r3 charged final"
I have noticed that with all the roms I flashed since 2.3 came out that i have very little free memory the previous rom I had about 130 megs but now I'm running 80 -100 and that is with a task killer set on 1 min kill intervals.
I read about low ram and something called HSPL but i have no idea what it is or how I can flash it
can any one help
also on the rom install i wiped the phone and even formatted the sd card so i know the install was clean ( it also runs really good until the memory gets below 70megs )
thanks for your help

Had the same problem, you need to partition your SD card and install apps 2 SD., I use one called dta2sd( dark tremors Apps2sd. Before using I used to get low memory messages all the time...
Give it a try it helped me out..
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is this for you to move your apps to or is this to use like ram it appears that my phone is running low on ram for the running processes but not room for storage ( I moved almost all my apps to the sd card already )
thanks for your quick reply above

Think its for more memory space for apps, but it must create more system memory as well, because before I used it I had moved all my apps to SD, but I was still running low on memory. Since Ive used apps2sd ive had no more memory shortages
Hope you like that Rom I've used it my self and its a good one.
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I just partitioned my card but it did not affect my free available memory but i now have tons of storage space on my phone.
thank you for the advice though i really like having all the apps on a partition freeing up space in the phone any way ( i use alot of apps )

indyjames said:
Think its for more memory space for apps, but it must create more system memory as well, because before I used it I had moved all my apps to SD, but I was still running low on memory. Since Ive used apps2sd ive had no more memory shortages
Hope you like that Rom I've used it my self and its a good one.
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sounds like you don't quite understand the difference between ROM/storage space and RAM/memory.
A lot of people use memory and storage interchangeably but that is not accurate.
The OP is having a problem with low memory/RAM meaning that the OS and running programs are utilizing too much RAM, IE too many apps or processes are running or there is a memory hole/leak somewhere. He is not having a problem with storage space or room to install additional applications or store additional data.

you can use the V6 supercharger or Car-o-dope tweaks (i think thats what it is called) they will increase your RAM
If you get the RC4 release of the V6 (its still stable but not on the main page) you should do option 7 and 20. Be sure to nandroid before.
V6 Main page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
V6 Beta: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18703418&postcount=5021

Sorry I couldn't help more...
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Thanks...don't some ROM's use less memory? I'm running an AOSP ROM and it seems quicker than the Sense ROMs.
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indyjames said:
Thanks...don't some ROM's use less memory? I'm running an AOSP ROM and it seems quicker than the Sense ROMs.
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Aosp is faster then sense ALWAYS. And some roms do use more memory then others
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Thanks for the heads up on the RC4 release of the V6 I put it in and it did help my memory on this rom . So after partitioning and running the script I just have one strange question.
Does this rom have a built in power battery saver? i am not running any sort of battery saver, I am running a task killer still but only to see free ram since the script does the task killing now. I notice my wifi shuts off when the phone sleeps and that I have sleep mode that enables at about 11pm. Is there a way to kill this since I do most of my computer geek stuff late at night.
I have looked all through my apps and i have nothing installed that i believe could be doing the power conservation stuff
thanks

How much free ram do you have?

Ehi guys how much free ram do you have?
Mine shows like 40mb only everytime, how to increase it?
Any mod?
Or other things?

Try V6 Supercharger
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Try V6 Supercharger
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Already using it

Free RAM is not the issue, it's whether your phone has breathing space.
For instance, I can have 50mb free but everything runs fast because the RAM is used up by apps that I use.
However, if your RAM is being used up by background services and apps that you don't use, then it will produce occasional slow down.
In other words, free RAM is not the goal, but properly utilised RAM.
All this being said, I hope RAM management improves with ICS.
When you restart your phone, check the RAM after it fully starts up (without opening any apps). Mine is 150 used, 150 free.
Andy

I have 267MB free.. Arc S...

You on a custom ROM?
I'm running stock, rotted, so some system apps removed.

Mine has around 140MB of free ram.Try to reduce unnecessary widgets from the homescreen.

If rooted use titanium backup and move internal apps to system.
Use the integrate into ROM function. System apps have there own partition.
This might help with lag issue.
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zolaisugly said:
If rooted use titanium backup and move internal apps to system.
Use the integrate into ROM function. System apps have there own partition.
This might help with lag issue.
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Can you explain me better please?

If you want a lot of free ram
Just install Gemini task killer and app manager ..also download fast reboot from the store
I usually get about 200 meg free ram when i reboot and about 175 free ram after 24 hours ..
I am rooted and using aniking rom ...
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davibs said:
Can you explain me better please?
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OK if your phone is rooted then use an app from the market which is called titanium backup.
Once installed press menu button select batch option look for option to make a backup of all 'system apps and user apps'
once the backup its complete. Look for option in batch setting 'integrate into ROM'
This will move some internal apps into the system partition of the phone, this will free up your visible internal free memory.
I have moved maps, gmail, adobe flash into rom and they run with out any issue and still update
Hope fully this will help if you are having any lag issue.
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I have 100 to 150 mb free. I use icelite beta1, but i have installed ram manager free from market becouse my ram was always under 60 mb and i have experienced some lags. But now all works fine. Hope it helps

When it starts it has around 200MB of RAM, with moderate use (Browser, YouTube, maybe a game, Twitter..) around 140MB, never goes below 100.
I have Arc S, currently unrooted (bricked it once, waiting on ICS)
and I think RAM managment will be better in Ice Cream

185 ~ 165 MB
From my sexy LT15i

Just curious where y'all are picking these numbers from? And just how many are confusing "RAM" with "storage"?
And, don't forget, "free" (as in unused) RAM is wasted RAM. In a perfect system, you would have 0 MB of free RAM, as every bit of RAM that wasn't currently in use by an app would be used to cache data to prevent the uber-slow reads from disk.

Phoenix is right. Free RAM is wasted RAM
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0 ram in a perfect system? There must always be some free ram, because new opened apps need it. But je can use swap memory. I use it to, and it's boost my system. But use a good sd card when u want to use swap memory. I have a class 10 sd card, so I don't have any problems whit my swap memory. I installed a2sd and use the app a2sdGui tot set the swapines. Swapines is how much the system use the swap memory.
Swap memory is the same as virtual memory in windows. But when you only have a class 4 sd card, I don't advice you to use swap memory. And whit a2sd you also can put system apps to your sd, on a sd-ext partition. Search on XDA and you find something about it.

Cuerrix said:
Phoenix is right. Free RAM is wasted RAM
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No!
Arc (S) gets slow and laggy below ~60MB free RAM.
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Usually 150 to 185. Depending on the applications I'm running on background.

spit85 said:
0 ram in a perfect system? There must always be some free ram, because new opened apps need it.
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No, you don't need free RAM for this. RAM currently being used for Cache, marked as Inactive, or used for Buffers will either be discarded or flushed to disk, and then that newly freed RAM will be used for the new app.
In Linux (which is what's under/behind Android), there are 5 categories of memory usage:
- Active (RAM currently in use by the app)
- Inactive (RAM used by apps that aren't currently running but were recently so could be used again quickly if you run the same app again)
- Cached (RAM used by the OS to cache disk reads/writes; can be flushed to disk at any time for use by apps)
- Buffer (RAM used by the OS to buffer various things; can be discarded at any time for use by apps)
- Free (completely unused RAM just sitting there doing nothing)
In a perfect system, Free would be 0. Any available RAM would be used by apps (Active) or the OS (Cached/Buffer). And anytime an app needs RAM, it would grab it from the Cached/Buffer groups.
But je can use swap memory. I use it to, and it's boost my system. But use a good sd card when u want to use swap memory. I have a class 10 sd card, so I don't have any problems whit my swap memory.
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Swap use is an indication that the system has too little (not enough) RAM for the number of apps you want to use and is really just a crutch. The less swap you use, the better the system will run.
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Flo95 said:
No!
Arc (S) gets slow and laggy below ~60MB free RAM.
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And, again, how are you measuring "free" RAM? I'm willing to bet that what most people are measuring is not actually "Free" RAM, but what the Settings --> Applications --> Running applet shows as "free", which is really a total of Cached, Buffer, and Free (IOW, it's showing "RAM available for use by apps" and not "Free, as in wasted, RAM". Those are two very different things.)
Install a real stats/monitoring tool like Diagnosis and configure it to show "free" ("Real free memory", not "Total free memory"; the former is Free, the latter is Free+Cached+Buffers) memory, and you'll notice that it will hover around/under 5 MB most of the time. When you first power on, "Free" will be 40-80 MB. Fire up a few apps, and it will drop down to almost 0 MB. And it will hover there until you reboot the phone.
Which is exactly what it's supposed to do!
"Free" RAM is wasted RAM.

[Q] CM10 running out of space

I'm having issues now with CM10 running out of internal storage. I did enough digging to find that it was a change in CM10 that caused this. The solution is to move some of the larger apps to the SD card.
The problem I have is that the highest offenders of space are all the google apps. My top offenders are:
Chrome: 60mb
Amazon App store: 28 mb
Media Storage: 28 mb
Google Search: 22 mb
Google Drive: 16 mb
Google Maps: 16mb
RssDemon: 15 mb
Google Play Store: 12mb
Android System: 10b
MoboPlayer: 9mb
Document Viewer: 9mb! (WTF is that?)\
HDR Camera+: 8 mb
Google Play Music: 9mb
Google Play Services: 8mb
Titanium Backup: 8mb
Gmail: 8mb
I'd love to move some of my apps to the SD card, but most are the Google Apps. And the others I'd rather have internal if I had my preference.
Is anyone else seeing the same thing? Do any of these mb sizes look ridiculous? These numbers are before any data or cache wipe for any of these apps.
I'm having the same issues on my TF101 and it's really starting to erk me.

CM10 did alter the size of the system partition accommodate the rom size. However, not a huge amount. That being said, we have a reduced amount of memory compared to more modern devices. Consider moving apps to sd that don't need to run at max performance. Maybe a clean data wipe would help some as well. It's amazing how much a clean start can help. But that's the beauty of root and custom roms, do a backup and try it out. If it doesn't work out, restore your backup image and try again.
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propjockey said:
CM10 did alter the size of the system partition accommodate the rom size. However, not a huge amount. That being said, we have a reduced amount of memory compared to more modern devices. Consider moving apps to sd that don't need to run at max performance. Maybe a clean data wipe would help some as well. It's amazing how much a clean start can help. But that's the beauty of root and custom roms, do a backup and try it out. If it doesn't work out, restore your backup image and try again.
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Thanks for the response. I've moved what I wanted over to the SD card and I still only have 96mb available and get low space errors quickly.
What about when I scroll lower and it says I have 6.65gb available? I'm guessing it's referring to the SD card, but how the heck do I make a folder that utilizes this? My intention is to create a folder where I can save images that I've downloaded from browsing.
How do I differentiate between the onboard memory and the SD card?

Pics and downloads should automatically be sent to SD. In settings-storage, it should have headers that show weather or not its internal or SD storage.
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[Q] Available RAM issue

Hi all. After flashing TrueAncestor 1.6 LE, I had about 330-340 total available ram (free + used by running apps). This was a long time ago, but still is like this if I reflash it.
The issue is on my running apps tab it shows only about 240 mb total available RAM! When I restore the backup, that is. I don't really know how or when it happened. Maybe it's due to installed apps, but I can't really find out how is that possible.
Edit: I found out via advanced restore that the problem lies in the data backup, but I can't figure it out.

ram or internal memory btw?

Try run sme RAM killer app, like GTA Vicecity ... then exit game a check free RAM ...
BTW - on my Xperia S (1GB RAM) i have frree only 250MB and no problem at all..

ram. it's not that i have a problem, it's that 100 mb of ram somehow disappeared. i flashed another rom and i'm doing an app-by-app restore with titanium backup to avoid restoring whatever caused me that issue...

It is because of the app, also maybe the kernel n the rom u used, i used turbo kernerl jb+ jellyzeus rom, superb fast, no lag at all, smooth when play games, although i got 100mb out of 377mb,
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Check the CosmicDan's sig "free ram is wasted ram" when apps will need ram they will just free it by themselves. I'm having max 180-140 ram in daily use which isn't much and everything works fine. Either way 330 mb of free ram - WTF? Yeah it's caused by apps. Many apps are running in the background or just idling. It may be that rom itself does something which will eat some ram to make itself smooth and then free it up when needed.
Short version - it's okay, don't worry.
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mmh... seems like i've not explained the problem well enough. I know free ram is wasted ram. I'm talking about the total ram. By total available ram I mean free ram + ram used by processes you can see in the "running apps" tab. The 330+ mb of *total* ram is what one should have with this phone. I had only 236 mb. I did a reflashing restoring app by app, and now I have like 300-310 mb of total ram. That's still kinda disappointing since I don't know how is that. Out of the 512 mb installed, system processes which are unseen by the "running apps" tab in settings take some, and that's okay, but to have 236 mb total means there was some other invisible process that was either disguising itself as a system process or letting the phone believe it only had that much total ram.

You should used custom rom n kernel, some stock rom isnt that great,
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there are many users with stock rom and kernel which get 360+ mb of total ram, your answer is not helping that much. Also because i'm not using stock rom lol.

No, i mean sometimes u need to flash stockrom to get corect baseband n then install the rom, it just to avoid any prob after,
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well, i found out that it doesn't depend on the rom anyway. When I link the phone to the pc and the sd unmounts, it all gets right, the total ram is what it should be, but just for the first moments, then the total ram is cut down by a lot but i think it's normal. When i take the phone out it regains all the ram, but when the sd mounts again, something like 40 mb of ram disappear just like that.

sorry for double posting, but I realized other things:
actually, the ram programs like setcpu and quadrant is the correct 367 mb.
Unmounting the sd card eliminates the problem as long as the sd remains unmounted; mounting immediately brings it back. Messing with dalvik vm heapsize does nothing, engine flushing with supercharger does almost nothing. I absolutely don't know what to do. Even my older screenshots from when I didn't flash anything has like 330-335 mb total ram, instead of the 345-355 it should be. Now it's about 305-310. More than 55 mb are not reported by running apps and this affects gaming, as ram heavy games like 9th dawn, everland crash and aralon + gamekeyboard can't stay in background together if the graphics options in aralon are maxed out.

If it still persist u should try uses swapper. Great way increasing ram,
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I am too facing this issue, after booting I have like 340 mb of total RAM(100MB in use and 240mb free) but after using phone for quite a while the total ram decreases a lot(110mb free and 100mb) in use, where is rest of the ram?? how to recover it?

U just cannot recover the ram. U should better try the new rom. Try atomic gb rom. It fastest and stable. And u should not get to furious about ram. Just see the phone lagging or not.
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Well, i have 380 total ram. Flash turbokernel 3.1 and then any JB rom and then you should have the same amount of ram that i do.
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[Q] something better than link2sd for stock rom?

I'm using the stock kernel and, of course, facing issues with the small internal memory. I'm using link2sd, but it still leaves a fair amount of data in the internal memory (ie, 16 mb for Asphalt 6, 14 mb for Facebook, 13 mb for Flash, a couple of mb for many other apps), so I'm always with a somewhat limited space for applications.
So I wonder if there is something capable of moving far more data to the SD card, so I don't need to worry about having enough room for apps. I was looking at https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spazedog.mounts2sd but it mentions init.d support, and googling about all that stuff doesn't really explain it in more layman terms.
Thanks in advance

You cant be using Link2Sd properly then. It leaves virtually nothing in the internal memory. I had a 32gb SD card full of games and still had about 200mb free internal memory. When you create a link are you trying to move the apps to SD afterwards as they should show as being on internal?

Well, I have it set up to link automatically on application install, and to link application, dalvik-cache and libraries. The install locationis set to external and I have ticked the check boxes to relink libraries and dex files at startup.
To test it, I've unistalled Facebook and reinstalled. Once the app finishes installing, I get the link2sd notification that it's linking it to the SD. I login to my account and once I go to the application settings to check the app size, it reports a total of 31,33 MB, of which 23,56 MB correspond to the aplication and 7,77 MB to data. And has the option to move to the SD so it's certainly in the internal memory.
Link2SD storage info reports the internal memory (380 Mb total, 15% free), the Sd card (12% free) and the sd card's second partition, at /data/sdext2, with 712 MB total, of which 390Mb are used.

Sorry for bumping, but is the link2sd behaviour I'm describing normal behaviour then?

juanml82 said:
Sorry for bumping, but is the link2sd behaviour I'm describing normal behaviour then?
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Yes, it does appear to be normal behaviour. Try going into the Link2SD app and see if it says whether the app is linked or not. I've had instances where my apps don't get linked even after running the process. When you check the application size in settings (not in Link2SD), the application size will remain unchanged as I think Link2SD treats your partition as internal storage and therefore it still shows the application as it's full size as opposed to how much of it is actually on your internal storage
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