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I'm actually a little embarrassed to even have to ask this question, I'm also pretty sure I know the answer but better safe than sorry. Can anyone confirm that the Tmobile version of the TP2 is able to access the ATT 3G network? I'm 99% sure it will but that weird Tmob band makes me nervous, any input would be appreciated.
No, it will not. However the ATT version shouldn't be too far behind the Tmo launch so don't worry too much
no offense but what is the basis for your statement, the Tmob version will have
850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands which are basically the ATT bands plus 1700, why would the Wing II not work on the ATT network?
aaronsmckee said:
no offense but what is the basis for your statement, the Tmob version will have
850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands which are basically the ATT bands plus 1700, why would the Wing II not work on the ATT network?
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Please show me where you found this data? Tmobile USA 3g network doesn't use the 1900 band for 3g; they use the 1700 band which is why Tmobile has to have devices specifically made for their network and why the Tmobile USA version won't work on ATT USA.
Again to clarify:
Tmobile USA = 1700/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
ATT = 850/1900 for upload/download for its 3G
Now Tmobile USA does use the 1900mhz frequency but that its GSM frequency it is not related to the 3g frequency. Confusing i know, but you asked.
One of the images advertising it does state all those bands, but does not differentiate which are for gsm and which for 3G (which can be misleading and confusing, ergo the clarification by jim_0068 ^). Though if they share the 2100 I have no idea whether you can get limited functionality or if you HAVE to have both of them. *shrugs*
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Please show me where you found this data? Tmobile USA 3g network doesn't use the 1900 band for 3g; they use the 1700 band which is why Tmobile has to have devices specifically made for their network and why the Tmobile USA version won't work on ATT USA.
Again to clarify:
Tmobile USA = 1700/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
ATT = 1900/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
Now Tmobile USA does use the 1900mhz frequency but that its GSM frequency it is not related to the 3g frequency. Confusing i know, but you asked.
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actually this is not entirely true either,
AT&T is using 850 and 1900 Mhz for their 3G network,
it was revealed recently that they are pushing the 3G network to the higher frequency (850) and plan to have the 3G completely on 850 by 2010.
if AT&T is using 2100, we would've been able to use the european HTC devices which has the 2100 band.
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Please show me where you found this data?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537517
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4144863&postcount=1
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850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands
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As far as I'm aware:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS:1700/2100
And therein lies the problem... While it supports all the bands that would be required, only a small subset actually apply to a 3G connection/signal...
Minimally, that would be the specs for it to work on T-Mobile, and quad-band GSM is just standard on 99% of phones these days...
baymon said:
actually this is not entirely true either,
AT&T is using 850 and 1900 Mhz for their 3G network,
it was revealed recently that they are pushing the 3G network to the higher frequency (850) and plan to have the 3G completely on 850 by 2010.
if AT&T is using 2100, we would've been able to use the european HTC devices which has the 2100 band.
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You're correct and i edited my post it is 850/1900 for ATT US 3G
I gaurantee you that the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 will not work on ATT's 3G Network At All... the frequencies for ATT will only support the 2G Network and therefore only phone calls and text messaging will work.
let's not go that far, let's not forget gprs (same speed as dial-up) and more importantly EDGE (for some that's more than enough).
when I go into the phone settings -- band I have these options on the Tmobile TP2:
GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
hppyfnbll said:
when I go into the phone settings -- band I have these options on the Tmobile TP2:
GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
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hmm, now I think the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 works on ATT's 3G Network.
It should also work worldwide too.
oooh, European bands, "standard" North American bands (they're not really standardized, neither in the US nor Canada and Mexico is barely getting 3G into place), and no idea what the last one is for, sounds like cdma...
solsearch said:
oooh, European bands, "standard" North American bands (they're not really standardized, neither in the US nor Canada and Mexico is barely getting 3G into place), and no idea what the last one is for, sounds like cdma...
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hmmm why is there 800 MHz?
Obviously this is some bull**** because it supports all of the 3G frequencies of worldwide carriers and american carriers.
I wouldn't trust this guy, he has 4 posts and he's obviously posting rumors.
Sorry for the horrible pictures, using a g1 to take them. I love watching people jump to conclusions.
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Sorry for the horrible pictures, using a g1 to take them. I love watching people jump to conclusions.
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I think those numbers are for software only, in fact you probably don't have the hardware to support the frequencies of the wrong carrier.
seems that 800mhz is for Japan
and it doesn't allow for all of the North American bands (it's missing the 1700 one).
Could be just a software thing without hardware support, though that might be a tad odd, any way to check if it is?
solsearch said:
seems that 800mhz is for Japan
and it doesn't allow for all of the North American bands (it's missing the 1700 one).
Could be just a software thing without hardware support, though that might be a tad odd, any way to check if it is?
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My Xperia X1a shows UMTS (900) even when I check the settings... IN FACT only the X1i supports
It's very likely that the numbers you are seeing are actually all of the frequencies that are "summed up" and therefore the TP2 for T-mobile does not have the actual hardware.
poetryrocksalot said:
hmmm why is there 800 MHz?
Obviously this is some bull**** because it supports all of the 3G frequencies of worldwide carriers and american carriers.
I wouldn't trust this guy, he has 4 posts and he's obviously posting rumors.
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Those options have been around with the custom ROMs, I have that too on my Fuze, if your hardware doesn't support it then it'll just be an eye candy.
Bottom line is this, if you want to utilize AT&T's 3G, then you'll need to wait for AT&T's Fortress because you need the 850 and 1900 band (UMTS band II). If you want to use T-mobile's 3G you still need a TP2 that has the 1700 and 2100 band (UMTS band IV), and no you cannot use european TP2 to access US T-mobile's 3G band because european's (and asia's) 3G utilizes UMTS band I, they are on a slightly different frequencies even though they are categorized both on 2100Mhz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
I'm new here and I enjoyed this site very much. I have one problem with my TP2. Somehow, 3G network is not working after I installed Hard-SPL and unlocked T-Mobile TP2 switch to AT&T sim card. Everything is working fine with AT&T's sim card I was able to made phone calls, received, SMS, and web browsing. ATT 's 3G network is available around my home, but I can not get 3G on TP2 instead a EDGE network. Can unlocked TP2 handle AT&T's 3G network? or a .cab file I can download to fix this?
idk for sure but i think t mobile uses a different frequency for 3g from at&t so if they are you are stuck with edge speeds on at&t man sorry
I have the tmobile TP2 and i can confirm from talking with ATT that the phone does support ATT BUT i was unable to use the phone on 3g. The phone DOES support the signals for 3g but am still unable to access the towers in my area. I think the phone may be hard set to look at tmobile towers, is there any way i could reset the device to open up its tower usage? Hopefully i can get an answer but no tmobile TP2 users arent screwed in the US we just need to find a fix
It was my understanding that the tmobile tp2 does NOT have 850/1900mhz 3g on it. It does have aws 1700 for sure. Not sure about 2100mhz though for overseas.
This issue has been covered many times in the numerous AT&T threads on this board.
I'm sorry to tell you that the T-Mobile TP2 hardware radio was limited to using 3G over the 1700/900Hz frequencies, while AT&T currently uses 1900/850Hz only. It's unlikely that any change can be made to the radio software wise to fix this issue.
Just to make things clear the issue has nothing to do with Hard SPL or custom roms.
T-Mobile UMTS 1700/2100 Mhz
T-Mobile 3G runs on UMTS 1700 up and 2100 down. Unless you have a device that runs on those specific frequencies, EDGE is the best you can do with T-Mobile if you opt to run on their service.
ATT offers UMTS or 3G using 850mhz(the old TDMA band) and 1900mhz. While T-mobile offers HSDPA (technically 3.5g part of the UMTS specification) using 1700MHz for uplink and 2100MHz downlink.
Because HSDPA is part of the UMTS spec, it’s backward compatable. However, you have the limiting factor beging that the frequencies the individual carriers use to transmit the data.
Europe and Asia’s 3G runs on 1900/2100mhz. North and south America is supposed to use the (AWS) 3G spec using 1700/2100mhz
ATT didn’t want to wait, like T-mobile is doing, for homeland security to vacate those frequencies and launched on 850/1900mhz instead
ace.app said:
ATT didn’t want to wait, like T-mobile is doing, for homeland security to vacate those frequencies and launched on 850/1900mhz instead
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I heard that t-mobile did not have enough spectrum in many areas to launch 3g in its existing 1900mhz. At&t doesn't have that issue, or as bad.
Im gonna make this real easy for u. The tmobile tp2 will not work on at&t 3g. The 3g bands are different
OK call me foolish but I got fed up with TMobile and switched to ATT because the company offered to pay my data plan to keep me on call. I had been saying no but a billing problem that they refused to fix left me steamed. Anyway, is there anyway to make AT&T 3G work on my Tmobile TP2?
T-mobile is only edge...you cant use 3g unless you have a tilt 2
djteotancolis said:
T-mobile is only edge...you cant use 3g unless you have a tilt 2
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Let me rephrase that, for all the people that got "confusimacated" at first glance (like me)
The T-Mobile TP2 will work on AT&T's system, but it will only be capable of EDGE, and not 3G due to the fact that AT&T's and T-Mobile's 3G service use different frequencies.
Overseas Version
I have the overseas HD2 (LEO) which in not branded by T-Mobile. I also have ATT, can i get 3g on it?
at&t 3G is on the WCDMA 850/1900 megahertz bands. The Leo operates on EU frequencies, 900/2100 WCDMA for 3G service. Your Tmobile gets 3G on the 1700 MGHZ band. You need a phone with NA 3G frequencies to get 3G from at&t, and those are 850/1900 WCDMA. None of your devices will see 3G here in NA. Europe operates 3G on 1900 and 2100 and a few on 900 WCDMA, Japan and South Korea are on 2100 WCDMA only and NA is on 850/1900, so you need to be really careful of the hardware you purchase for it to work where you want it to and at the speeds you want. Edge comes on the older GSM frequencies and almost all phones have the 4 GSM frequencies, 850-900-1900-1800, but none have all the GSM and all the WCDMA frequencies, could but don't. Most US phones will have 3 WCDMA frequencies, 850-1900-2100. Better to buy an unlocked tilt 2 or sign an agreeement with at&t for a discounted phone.
Good luck.
Well, it's just as the title of this thread says... I have a Tmobile's G2 (A.K.A. HTC Vision), which its 3g default bands are under 1700 / 2100. Here on my country, all the providers have their 3g services on 900 / 2100.... soo... Is it possible to Flash T-mobile G2's Radio, an set it to work on 3g 900/2100 mhz, so I can use the phone on 3G, instead of that annoying and extremely slow EDGE??
Or, is there a Custom ROM that has these settings on it? (I mean, a rom that automatically turns the 3g band to 900 instead of 1700)
Thanx.
No you can't, the radio bands are set in hardware (e.g. the physical antennae in the phone), not just in the radio software.
Why would you need to, the phone would use the 2100 band for it's 3G in your country? I took mine to Russia and it worked fine.
I don't think it's that simple. I only get edge on my T-mobile G2 using the Rogers network.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA app.
Rogers doesnt use 1700 or 2100 so that is to be expected. The original posters country has a 2100 3G, I would suspect he just isn't in a coverage area.
Circledog said:
Why would you need to, the phone would use the 2100 band for it's 3G in your country? I took mine to Russia and it worked fine.
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I don't think it works like that, I think it needs both bands to work. If it was that simple then surely they wouldn't bother making different phones for different markets (e.g. T-Mobile US vs Europe/Asia)
That may be...I'm only speaking of my experience in Russia, they have 2100 only 3G and mine worked without the second band.
Just to add, T-Mobile US use the 1700 MHz band for the uplink, and 2100 MHz for the downlink. So presumably the phones (i.e. G2, as opposed to the Desire Z) are physically setup like that too.
Oh I thought Rogers uses 2100. Either way, no worky.... sad.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA app.
Ah, I think I'm following you, because Russia exclusively uses 2100 for up and down my phone worked, but since his county has a seperate uplink and a downlink band it won't?
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Ah, I think I'm following you, because Russia exclusively uses 2100 for up and down my phone worked, but since his county has a seperate uplink and a downlink band it won't?
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Yeah I think that's it. I don't know *that* much about this myself, just picked up on a few discussions about the G2/DZ on here over time.
Have a look at this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
I think the "problem" is that the G2 uses exclusively "Band IV" for 3G (i.e. 1700/2100 split), but somewhere like the OP's Dominican Republic uses Band VIII (900).
What the OP needs is a Desire Z, which operates on Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Russia appears to use Band I (2100) as well. Maybe a G2 can partially work there then ?
Rogers uses something else, Band II (1900) and Band V (850).
As I say, I'm don't know that much about this myself, so if anyone else can help clarify/confirm/deny, then that'd be great.
Much appreciated.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA app.
Via Google, I dug up another interesting piece of info.
Although it's not on HTC's official spec list on their site, on T-Mobile's support pages it says that the G2 does Band I as well. Which would explain how it would have worked in Russia. That's not going to help the OP's problem though.
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm24233.xml?&A2L.SERVICE=FeatureSummary
Wow mega confusing, but you helped clear it up, thanks!!
Mine worked very well in Moscow, I was pleasantly suprised, it was kind of a bonus to be able to get on the web, I wasn't expecting much.
I don't understand why the manufactures don't provide phones with penta-band 3G support like the Nokia N8. Maximize profit when producing 2-3 same phones with different frequencies maybe? I mean quad-band GSM has been supported for pretty much all of the current phones, why not 3G bands as well?
Has anyone tried this option?
bring up the dial pad and dial
*#*#info#*#* (aka *#*#4636#*#*)
press "Phone Info"
you'll get the screen with the imei, phone no, network and a button that says "Run Ping Test" at the top
press your "menu" button
when the menu pops up, it'll have 6 options, select radio band, view sim address book, view fixed dialling numbers, view service dialling numbers, get PDP list, and More.
Choose the first one "Select Radio Band" then select the appropriate band.
Not sure if it helps in this situation, but I found it in a thread about gaining 3G in Europe on the N1
hey bro.. I read from one topic in TMo's official G2 forum that the G2 will work on a country with only a UMTS band of 2100 both for up and down (the answer is from TMo employee, an engineer)... hope you'll be enlightened. I bought an unlocked G2 and I researched extensively before purchase. Im from the Philippines which only supports the 2100 band for 3G. I Know and Im 100% positive that the phone will support the 3G band here in my country. cant wait for my G2 (arriving tomorrow)
btw... coverage is vital. if the 3G signal is weak or non-existent in your area, you'll be switched to edge for data on your phone (naturally).. good luck
sorry.. cant post the link. would've loved to have posted it.
juanito05 said:
hey bro.. I read from one topic in TMo's official G2 forum that the G2 will work on a country with only a UMTS band of 2100 both for up and down (the answer is from TMo employee, an engineer)... hope you'll be enlightened. I bought an unlocked G2 and I researched extensively before purchase. Im from the Philippines which only supports the 2100 band for 3G. I Know and Im 100% positive that the phone will support the 3G band here in my country. cant wait for my G2 (arriving tomorrow)
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That's the Band I thing that I was talking about, that T-Mo shows on their spec sheets (but HTC doesn't seem to list, for some reason).
I think the G2 will do 3G if any one of the two bands are supported by the country. Correct me if Im wrong
juanito05 said:
hey bro.. I read from one topic in TMo's official G2 forum that the G2 will work on a country with only a UMTS band of 2100 both for up and down (the answer is from TMo employee, an engineer)... hope you'll be enlightened. I bought an unlocked G2 and I researched extensively before purchase. Im from the Philippines which only supports the 2100 band for 3G. I Know and Im 100% positive that the phone will support the 3G band here in my country. cant wait for my G2 (arriving tomorrow)
btw... coverage is vital. if the 3G signal is weak or non-existent in your area, you'll be switched to edge for data on your phone (naturally).. good luck
sorry.. cant post the link. would've loved to have posted it.
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There is nowhere in the world that uses 2100 in both directions. Band 1 is 1900 UP, 2100 DOWN.
In all cases, your phone must be able to upload on the frequencies that the towers listen on, and download on the frequencies that the towers transmit on.
I.e., north america vision transmits on 1700 or 1900, receives on 2100.
I guess my cellphone uses EDGE, but I am not sure what it is capable of. My download speeds are so slow, that I would like to change this somehow. Reading the specs on the side of the box, says:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900& UMTS/HSPA Bands 1/2/5/6
Is it capable of anything other than EDGE? From what I am reading and experiencing, it seems that the speeds are not going to be anything other than slow...
What model?
What network?
Where are you?
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Model: r800a
Network: T-Mobile
Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA
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Unless you are on 4g or wifi I'm sorry to say... it probably will be slow
Download "speedtest.net" app and check your download speed. If it's around 1.5-3mbps then that's pretty normal for 3G
Have you selected WCDMA/GSM in the Network settings, if it is only GSM you will only get EDGE speeds, if not you will get HSDPA (H Icon), I have data enabled and it works flawlessly, It had hit 6Mbps as well for me.
you will only get edge on t-mobile, ur phone doesn't have the required bands for 3g, if you were on atnt you would get 3g using the r800a.
Man, that sucks... time to change my provider...
just to clarify, im 99% sure you should, globally atnt and other 850mhz 3g band carrier phones are usually compatible, tesltra here in australia being one, and telus in canada. atnt also has their own "4g" play version with its souped up hsdpa+ radio. but technically, as far as i can tell, there is no reason your phone should not run fine on their network.
you cant get t-mobile 3g on any version of the play, tmobile actually uses 2 different bands for 3g data, and usually only phones built for t-mobile will work on its network because the 2 bands are not common anywhere else.