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Epic or evo

Have two days left before I'm stuck with the epic. Just wondering if I'm making the right choice. I love the keyboard but I only use it for gaming. The screen is great but the software is lacking. Do you guys think that the evos hardware compares to the epics? The phone is fast but the gps sucks. Just trying to get some input from the other side.
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try the evo for 30 days
, you can root it, play with it, flash all you want and still return it to stock to return if you dont like

Well I walk own & walk around with both phones & even though on paper, spec wise the Epic beats the Evo, in real world use, the Evo is a better phone IMO with wayyyyy better support from Sprint, HTC & the devs on Xda. I hardly ever use my Epic.
No I'm not happy to see you but yes...that is a Evo in my pocket!

I would say the Evo, but maybe if you like a keyboard try the shift. Try the Evo for 30 days and if you don't like it stay with the Epic.

It is a nice phone but I just don't want to get stuck with a forgotten phone like I was with the pre. As far as the keyboard I use swype and I heard game gripper is coming out with a bluetooth game pad. If I knew for certain that samsung would update this phone and get rid of all its bugs I would prob keep it. I think my biggest prob is having to walk around my backyard trying to get a signal with gps.
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I'd go with the EVO, even before last weeks FroYo update fiasco. HTC's are more reliable, in my opinion. I just moved my wife from a Samsung moment to the EVO shift and she loves is. granted, it's not fair to make a comparison regarding the EPIC based on experiences with the Moment, which everybody will agree is not half the phone the EPIC is. But my experience with Samsung compared to HTC in general is that HTC is the far superior brand.

I would go with the evo. I have a friend who tried both and really just liked the evo better. The only thing that made me a little apprehensive at first was it was all touch, but I got used to it quick and would never go back.

hardware wise i think the epic is better, but its samsung who have proven they don't really support their newer tech and their UI skin isn't my favorite. The evo's aftermarket community is probably second only to the nexus phones and on par with the droid phones and the Evo is still sprints flagship android phone. Plus HTC build quality is nice and i like sense and it allows me to use it with my work email so for me its a no brainer

Evo without a doubt. If you are on these forums and are interested in future development, has to be evo. Samsung seems to be pissing a LOT of people off and it doesn't seem like there are really that many devs working on them.
HTC and EVO are the way to go IMO. All i can say is i have had my evo since launch day and i dont see a phone coming to sprint any time soon that will make me want to get new one. I LOVE MY PHONE...
And like people have said, Get the Evo, try it for 30. You will probably not go back to the Epic!

xlGmanlx said:
hardware wise i think the epic is better, but its samsung who have proven they don't really support their newer tech and their UI skin isn't my favorite. The evo's aftermarket community is probably second only to the nexus phones and on par with the droid phones and the Evo is still sprints flagship android phone. Plus HTC build quality is nice and i like sense and it allows me to use it with my work email so for me its a no brainer
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Htc build quality is nice? Let me hit what you're smoking lol. But seriously I'd go evo if you want to be a power user
Swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO

My wife and I recently changed over to Sprint and at first, we both got Epics. Within my 30 days I changed to the EVO and I don't regret that choice for a minute. The factors in my decision:
1. I knew I was going to root and flash a new ROM anyway (CM7 is amazing) so I didn't care what it had to offer stock.
2. I hate having a physical keyboard.
3. I don't play games on the phone.
4. Display: the SuperAMOLED screen on the Epic is gorgeous, no doubt, and oh how I wish the EVO had one, but honestly it wasn't a determining factor for me, and it shouldn't be for anyone. You can tell that it's a different type of screen (sometimes you can see a little tracing) and the colors aren't as vibrant, but it's still a pretty display on the EVO.
Yes, the Epic has a better processor and GPU, but having had my EVO for a while now, it feels solid, which is important for me. My wife likes her Epic because of the "pretty screen" and the keyboard, but whenever I am doing something with it (installing something for her or whatever) it feels like a cheap toy compared to my EVO.

frettfreak said:
Evo without a doubt. If you are on these forums and are interested in future development, has to be evo. Samsung seems to be pissing a LOT of people off and it doesn't seem like there are really that many devs working on them.
HTC and EVO are the way to go IMO. All i can say is i have had my evo since launch day and i dont see a phone coming to sprint any time soon that will make me want to get new one. I LOVE MY PHONE...
And like people have said, Get the Evo, try it for 30. You will probably not go back to the Epic!
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I second this. For the longest time I fell in love with this thing a little more every day. A few months ago we kind of got in a bit of a rut, then CM7 came out and she's more beautiful than ever (No CM7 for Epic). As everyone has said, there's no comparison between the two when it comes to development. A friend has the Epic and I taught her how to use it and have played around with it extensively and for me, my EVO is superior.
twiz0r said:
Htc build quality is nice? Let me hit what you're smoking lol. But seriously I'd go evo if you want to be a power user
Swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
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There were some build quality issues at the beginning (I swapped out my launch day unit due to screen separation) but I think they've got that all fixed. The Epic just feels to light and cheap to me.
For anyone who talks about the Epics faster CPU/GPU, how much of it can it really use while it's stuck with 2.1. This is my quadrant score running CM7 RC1. Granted, synthetic benchmarks aren't a totally accurate gauge of performance but I'm pretty satisfied with this.

op, remember where you are posting this...

I know, I posted in the epic forums to. I wanted to hear from both sides you can't make a decision on what just one side says.
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ausch30 said:
I second this. For the longest time I fell in love with this thing a little more every day. A few months ago we kind of got in a bit of a rut, then CM7 came out and she's more beautiful than ever (No CM7 for Epic). As everyone has said, there's no comparison between the two when it comes to development. A friend has the Epic and I taught her how to use it and have played around with it extensively and for me, my EVO is superior.
There were some build quality issues at the beginning (I swapped out my launch day unit due to screen separation) but I think they've got that all fixed. The Epic just feels to light and cheap to me.
For anyone who talks about the Epics faster CPU/GPU, how much of it can it really use while it's stuck with 2.1. This is my quadrant score running CM7 RC1. Granted, synthetic benchmarks aren't a totally accurate gauge of performance but I'm pretty satisfied with this.[/QUOTE
If I was going buy quadrant scores I'd just stay with this phone. I'm looking for real world usage
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If I was going buy quadrant scores I'd just stay with this phone. I'm looking for real world usage
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I don't disagree and I hate synthetics. I do know though that the performance of the EVO with all the development that's gone on since launch is competitive with the Epics performance.

Its just a really hard choice to make. If this phone ever gets the support it deserves it would rule. But that's a really big IF. With the way samsung is going I don't know if it will ever see a fully functional 2.2 prob never 2.3 or above like we all know the evo will
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Quadrant scores don't mean real world performance. You can have a regular setting and get "okay" scores, but throw on setcpu at max overclocking and take the test and have high scores, it just superficial and can't be accurate. But the Evo does have excellent performance while not being overclocked at all.

My wife and I have both. The key board can be nice but the evo wins everything else. My sister inlaw tried both and went with the evo and never looked back.
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It really just comes down to what you want out of your phone. If you want a phone with a phyiscal keyboard at least now the EVO Shift is an option!
As another member previously mentioned, I would take full advantage of the 30-day trial peroid. Just don't get too attached to the phone (unless you plan on keeping it)!

what rom is best for me?

okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.

For a fast, gingerbread sense 2.1 ROM I would try either newts optimized shift or Wild Stangs pure speed.

Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.

loonatik78 said:
Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.

Kiboe said:
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
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To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
From personal experience if you're going gingerbread I say CM7 or OMFGB. Also MIUI is another popular choice (if you're into it- very different from any other ROM).
ADW launcher comes with CM7, and at first that was the whole reason I stopped using CM7, then I figured out you can change the launcher.. haha
Launcher Pro+ was a much better choice for me, so if you go that route and you don't like ADW- you know where to turn
Kernel's are another very major part of how well your phone performs and also your battery life. Chad's incredikernel are by far the top choice for both Sense and AOSP kernel's.
As always, if you have bad luck with one ROM or kernel, get suggestions and try another. There IS a perfect combination waiting for you

From experience, I would have to agree with loonatik78 about Sense 3.0's effects on phone performance. With that said, I absolutely love Sense and stayed on Sense 2.1/3.0 roms until 3.0 roms received proper treatment and I subsequently switched over to Pure 3.0 roms several weeks ago. I agree with loonatik78 in the sense that you should avoid a pure 3.0 rom IF you want generally less lag but as development continues they get better everyday.
I would suggest Synergy rom from Incubus26jc, Optimized Shift from Newtoroot, AND Nils Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0 +3d. I respect these dev's work and recommend them with ease. As far as the camera, I don't take pics often so I can't provide much insight there. I know Nils' rom is in the process of including hdr and panorama as a setting in the camera app courtesy of Newtoroot (who included it in his Hybrid Sense 3.0 rom I believe). Hopefully you peak in and see what each Sense 2.1/3.0 rom available has to offer and find your daily.

Wdforty's Inc2 Remix hands down. Its a Sense 2.1 ROM with the nice 3.0 bits added in and the battery life is pretty good. It's pretty stable as well.
For the full Sense 3.0 experience I would give Nils Gingersense 3.0 a try. He does great work as well and his ROM is quite snappy for 3.0.
To be honest, flashing on the Incredible is so easy you can try them all out for yourself to see which ROM satisfies YOUR needs. As long as you stick with ROMS towards the top of the Developement forum (shows many people are using them) you will be fine. Read the threads for serious bugs that are reported that may sway you from using a rom.
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k, i am close, i's just trhat i talked to a freind who put cm7 or a rom on his droid 1, and he said he had to reset it.
i guess i am just afraid of bricking the phone, booted cm7 the last time throuh rom manager, and it kept botting in bootloop, well, i got the rom back, but, i don't want to go through that again.

POQbum said:
To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
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okay, the thing is, is there really that much of a noticable difference bewteen 2.2 and 2.3? i already tested out flash and it works flawlessly o this default dinc (after i cleared the bloatware out, THANKS TITANIUM BACKUP!) i'm not going to use blockbuster, or netflix (as much as people like that, i don't watch movies on a 3 1/2 scren.

okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.

Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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I like Nils Business Gingersense 3d-2.3 for a Sense rom. It is stable, quick and battery life is good. I use Conaps DualRom x2 so I'm able to load CM7, OMFGB, Evervolv and Miui (all Aosp roms) also. They are all very stable, quick and very good battery life using Chad's incredikernel on all except OMFGB on which I use invisiblek kernel.
I think in the end, it is mostly a matter of personal preference.

Kiboe said:
why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
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Holy Sh#t! Are you for real??? All I was doing was giving you an honest impression of my personal experience with a gingerbread Sense ROM built by one of the most experienced devs on the dInc. I used a LOT of ROM's on that phone. The absolute fastest Sense experience you will find is Incredibly Re-Engineered 2.3.2 using Ziggy's BFS 4/10 overclocked to 1.153GHz, smartass gov. setCPU to sleep at 245. The better way to do it would be to use the sysfs interface with a script to undervolt it more, set the smartass to be more conservative, and overclock it. If the smartass is tweaked correctly, the thing will do most of it's work around 768MHz or less, but will still have the overhead to ramp up to 1.153GHz if the load demands. I've been looking at all the GB kernels available and the sysfs on them isn't set up to do all that I've described on any of them. That's not to say they're not very well appointed kernels. They are, to the point I'm jealous. The TB has 2 GB Sense kernels. And the second one is based off the tree of the first.
My Tbolt took a mean hit in performance moving from froyo to GB. It's muscular enough hardware that it makes little impact on user experience. I put the same ROM ported for the dInc on the dInc and it was simply painful to watch. Aside from full Sense with Sense 3.0 elements, that ROM was stripped to the bone. That's why I asked if you really need GB. If you don't, there's far faster stuff out there in the land of Froyo. I run GB on the dInc now, and it's just as stupid-fast as the Tbolt, but it's AOSP. In fact, it would probably out-score my Bolt on benchmarks.
I like my Sense too. My dInc runs AOSP because that's what the gf likes. It'll probably go back to Sense when I give it to my wife. It's nice being able to get some AOSP experience now, since I don't have to live with the thing. Sorry if my opinion of my experience with GB Sense made it look like I was hating on the dInc. I'm not. You should have seen a lot of the first GB builds for the Bolt. You'd be lucky if the thing even booted. And they crawled along like sloths on opium. Maybe when some more developed GB leaks come along, it will work like it should. It's not there yet. Go try some and let me know. I'd love to think I'm wrong.

Optimized shift is my favorite just wish it had 2.1 lockscreen.. pure speed is fast just the lockscreen call bug irritated me... I'm on omfgb and have had a fast and stable experience.. using incredikernel with fast charge.. sense is nice but way too laggy for me.. guess I'm just picky..
Once a fast stable 3.0 sense rom comes out I'll probably switch to it... I try every rom I think is good but usually sense lets me down..
Well that's my 2¢…
Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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That's a good one to start out with.
CM7 is nice but some people just prefer Sense.
I'd suggest that you stay away from ROM manager just because it can be buggy often.
Really not too big of changes from 2.2 to 2.3
Most notable is the over-scroll effect and they put in some security patches.
Eventually I'm sure you'll want to try out Sense 3.0- but just giving out my opinion in that it doesn't run too great on the INC compared to other ROM's. Bunches of people use it all the time and love it, so who knows, it may be for you. It's what's so great about android.
@loonatik78 / Kiboe
The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone.
DEV's are making this situation better with each new release but I think you get what I'm saying.
Also know that if you update to GB on AOSP you will lose your 720p video recording- not important to most people but if it is to you then you should clear away.
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Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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I think OP was still mad at him for his other 10 posts of pure bashing and douche-baggery that he made in a couple other threads.

yep, just flashed skyraider and...so far i love it, i just have the itch to flash over to gingersense due to gb, but like you said, i may hold off on that for a while.

"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.

loonatik78 said:
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*

POQbum said:
It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.

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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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Well there's still no 4G in VA at all so it's got a ways to go before it's considered coverageable.
The CPU speed was what I was trying to say to you before, it takes a lot of power to rev the CPU faster- and with dual cores they can both run slower yet outperform a beefier CPU clocked at faster rates. That's really the upgrade I'm waiting for, a good phone with dual core with root available.
this is going horribly offtopic.
I think it's pretty amazing how there really are no mods here.
It's like they all just abandoned.

[Q] Inc1, inc2 questions.

I was thinking about getting an inc2, upgrading from my inc, and I was wondering if it'd be worth it, does anybody have generally a lot of experience with the inc1, and gotten the inc2, and liked it better? Is the hardware well, better? What about amount of roms, and other software things of that sort; is there a wider variety available for it, than there is for the original inc? Another question, since the Incredible 2 and Incredible S are almost basically the same phone, would roms for the inc S work on the inc2, or would they just not be compatible? Thanks, whoever might answer these.

I never had the original but i have had quite a few androids (aria, captivate,inspire, thunderbolt, and even an evo3d for a short time) i can honestly say the dinc2 is the most rock solid phone out of all of them. Its definitely underrated i love it. But no unfortunately inc s roms are not compatible

oxlong27 said:
I never had the original but i have had quite a few androids (aria, captivate,inspire, thunderbolt, and even an evo3d for a short time) i can honestly say the dinc2 is the most rock solid phone out of all of them. Its definitely underrated i love it. But no unfortunately inc s roms are not compatible
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I own both of them. it's worth it. It's an outstanding phone.

Alright, thanks for the responses guys! Hopefully I'll be joining the inc2 community here in a few weeks, though it's gonna be sort of hard to leave the original inc after many months being a flash addict with it...

No worries we got plenty of good stuff to flash and our development is still pretty young. I think u chose the right phone, the thunderbolt got all the hype but i had one and absolutely hated it. Buggy ass phone with abysmal battery life, at least mine was
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Just hope you don't get one with 2.3.4.
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sjpritch25 said:
Just hope you don't get one with 2.3.4.
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Me too, I really don't want to have to get a clip just to be able to root it. If I do, hopefully by the time I get one, there'll be a way to root it.

I had the Eris, then the Inc1, and now Inc2, Love it. highly suggest it.

may I ask, why not 2.3.4. I will get an Incredible 2 very soon but not sure about which version it has.
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Just hope you don't get one with 2.3.4.
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They don't have S-OFF for 2.3.4 yet. I guess it just depends were you purchase it. I purchased mine on amazon wireless and it came with froyo.

I had the original Inc 1 and now have the Inc2. Underrated is the best way to describe the Inc2.
It's everything that I wanted my Inc1 to be: faster and better battery life.
I was lucky to snag one off ebay that had Android 2.3 on it, and on first boot I made sure I rejected the OTA. Then I rooted as soon as I could.
I think the Inc2 is the best Verizon phone out right now, and here's why:
1. Form factor - at 4.0" screen is big, but not too big. All high end verizon phones are too big, imo, at 4.3"
2. It's fast - sure, on paper, it's rated at the same speed of 1Ghz as the Inc1, but the the CPU is made with the 45nm process instead of the 65nm of Inc1, which means it's faster and more power efficient. Also the Increase in RAM to 768 helps too. When rooted and overclocked (up to 1.9Ghz), it can be as fast as a duo core phone, or faster in some cases. I think it's faster than a Droid3 (duo core), the Inc2 has more ram than the Droid3, that seems to help.
3. It's still 3G - imo, 3G is fast enough, I don't need 4G draining my battery. I don't know why ppl make such a big deal out of 4G, I think battery life is more important in something that's portable.
4. Good battery life - The Inc2 easily lasts twice as long as my Inc1, even with heavy use. And it gets even better when rooted using an undervolted kernel.
5. Good community support - there are a lot of good custom roms for the Inc2. I've tried 4 already and liked them all. And there are enough ppl using the Inc2 that you can find a solution to most of your issues with a quick search.
I don't want a giant phone that's too big for my hands, and doesn't last a day on battery, and is supposedly better than the Inc2.

Great dev support
Sent from my Incredible 2 using XDA App

armchairbear said:
I had the original Inc 1 and now have the Inc2. Underrated is the best way to describe the Inc2.
It's everything that I wanted my Inc1 to be: faster and better battery life.
I was lucky to snag one off ebay that had Android 2.3 on it, and on first boot I made sure I rejected the OTA. Then I rooted as soon as I could.
I think the Inc2 is the best Verizon phone out right now, and here's why:
1. Form factor - at 4.0" screen is big, but not too big. All high end verizon phones are too big, imo, at 4.3"
2. It's fast - sure, on paper, it's rated at the same speed of 1Ghz as the Inc1, but the the CPU is made with the 45nm process instead of the 65nm of Inc1, which means it's faster and more power efficient. Also the Increase in RAM to 768 helps too. When rooted and overclocked (up to 1.9Ghz), it can be as fast as a duo core phone, or faster in some cases. I think it's faster than a Droid3 (duo core), the Inc2 has more ram than the Droid3, that seems to help.
3. It's still 3G - imo, 3G is fast enough, I don't need 4G draining my battery. I don't know why ppl make such a big deal out of 4G, I think battery life is more important in something that's portable.
4. Good battery life - The Inc2 easily lasts twice as long as my Inc1, even with heavy use. And it gets even better when rooted using an undervolted kernel.
5. Good community support - there are a lot of good custom roms for the Inc2. I've tried 4 already and liked them all. And there are enough ppl using the Inc2 that you can find a solution to most of your issues with a quick search.
I don't want a giant phone that's too big for my hands, and doesn't last a day on battery, and is supposedly better than the Inc2.
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Awesome man , I'm pretty much completely sure this'll be my next phone, and yeah, I don't see why 4G is so important. I don't think I'll dabble in phones like that until that actually becomes more battery efficient. I was thinking about the Thunderbolt, but realized it's horrible battery life, and an extended battery would be too much bulk. Plus, a 4.3in screen at only WVGA starts making it look a little pixelated(sp?). I'd love the Sensation though, if only it'd work on Verizon...But oh well, the inc2 sounds amazing, definitely gonna get it, here in the next month or so.

Love my Incredible2
My Eris 2 yr contract was expiring and I found a brand new Inc 2 on CL for $135. I ended up feeling sorry for the poor guy so I tossed in my old rooted GSB Eris so he would have a phone.
Bummer was, it had just installed 2.3.4... hopefully someone will come up with a fix for that real soon. G3 is plenty fast and the battery easily lasts all day. With moderate use it still has 50-60% at bedtime. Size is perfect, takes great pictures, it's very smooth and fast and so far absolutely trouble free. I just picked up another one for my wife and she can't believe the difference between it and her Eris. We are planning on going with NO contract for a while assuming I can keep my unlimited data plan. Highly recommended!

ccgabe said:
My Eris 2 yr contract was expiring and I found a brand new Inc 2 on CL for $135. I ended up feeling sorry for the poor guy so I tossed in my old rooted GSB Eris so he would have a phone.
Bummer was, it had just installed 2.3.4... hopefully someone will come up with a fix for that real soon. G3 is plenty fast and the battery easily lasts all day. With moderate use it still has 50-60% at bedtime. Size is perfect, takes great pictures, it's very smooth and fast and so far absolutely trouble free. I just picked up another one for my wife and she can't believe the difference between it and her Eris. We are planning on going with NO contract for a while assuming I can keep my unlimited data plan. Highly recommended!
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There is that method with adb, but I mean, you have to know how to use it...I'm still learning that. And that's what I'm doing, not going with the contract, I'm gonna keep my unlimited plan as long as I can. Thanks for the response though

armchairbear said:
I had the original Inc 1 and now have the Inc2. Underrated is the best way to describe the Inc2.
It's everything that I wanted my Inc1 to be: faster and better battery life.
I was lucky to snag one off ebay that had Android 2.3 on it, and on first boot I made sure I rejected the OTA. Then I rooted as soon as I could.
I think the Inc2 is the best Verizon phone out right now, and here's why:
1. Form factor - at 4.0" screen is big, but not too big. All high end verizon phones are too big, imo, at 4.3"
2. It's fast - sure, on paper, it's rated at the same speed of 1Ghz as the Inc1, but the the CPU is made with the 45nm process instead of the 65nm of Inc1, which means it's faster and more power efficient. Also the Increase in RAM to 768 helps too. When rooted and overclocked (up to 1.9Ghz), it can be as fast as a duo core phone, or faster in some cases. I think it's faster than a Droid3 (duo core), the Inc2 has more ram than the Droid3, that seems to help.
3. It's still 3G - imo, 3G is fast enough, I don't need 4G draining my battery. I don't know why ppl make such a big deal out of 4G, I think battery life is more important in something that's portable.
4. Good battery life - The Inc2 easily lasts twice as long as my Inc1, even with heavy use. And it gets even better when rooted using an undervolted kernel.
5. Good community support - there are a lot of good custom roms for the Inc2. I've tried 4 already and liked them all. And there are enough ppl using the Inc2 that you can find a solution to most of your issues with a quick search.
I don't want a giant phone that's too big for my hands, and doesn't last a day on battery, and is supposedly better than the Inc2.
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Couldn't agree more I upgraded from the first Inc and I'm in love. This is the best phone I've ever had. Love the size and battery life most.
Sent from my Incredible 2 using XDA App

i have also used several phones and I have to say the incredible2 has been amazing since i got it, I would recommend it to anybody in the market for an awesome phone

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I was thinking about getting an inc2, upgrading from my inc, and I was wondering if it'd be worth it, does anybody have generally a lot of experience with the inc1, and gotten the inc2, and liked it better? Is the hardware well, better? What about amount of roms, and other software things of that sort; is there a wider variety available for it, than there is for the original inc? Another question, since the Incredible 2 and Incredible S are almost basically the same phone, would roms for the inc S work on the inc2, or would they just not be compatible? Thanks, whoever might answer these.
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I never had the original but i have had quite a few androids (aria, captivate,inspire, thunderbolt, and even an evo3d for a short time) i can honestly say the dinc2 is the most rock solid phone out of all of them. Its definitely underrated i love it. But no unfortunately inc s roms are not compatible
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this is for educational and seeking knowledge Purposes only .
Incredible S Roms Could be installed on Incredible 2 , working 100% if you know how . But you should know that developers ( sense 3.5 ) don't usually make their roms Global as i researched . what is available now For incedible 2 are CDMA only sense3.5 roms ( No GSM Support !!! ) , for Incredible S of course it would be GSM only sense 3.5 Roms . if you live in a country that uses GSM networks only , Incredible S is a Better Choice because as i noticed is little development for GSM Support for incredible 2 , you will have to stick with what is issued by Verizon , and of course they would not issue Sense 3.5 .
Now to install Incredible S rom on Incredible 2 ( you must be S-OFF and Rooted ) :
1- you must have similar compatible roms for Incredibles S and Incredible 2
2- replace the Boot.img of the incredible s rom with the same one from the incredible 2 rom inside winrar window ( Don't extract then zip again , just drag and drop )
3- install the rom from recovery as normal , it will Boot OK
4 if you have error starting WiFi ,then flash this Kernel ( inc2_2.6.35.14#18 ) ,it will solve the Problem , thanks to EhabFG ,
the two matching Roms are
EhabFG Android 2.3.5 Runnymed V1.3|EXT4|Full Arabic sense 3.5 ( google it) - Incredible S
-MikRoms-Incredible 2 HD v2.1 [sense 3.5 GB 2.3.5] ( google it ?) - Incredible 2
Please not that Same procedure was tried for the updates issued for those 2 Roms , it did not work ( meaning they are not similar anymore ) although they use the same New Base 1.02.401.1 ????
Some developer suggests the following
- Replace Boot.img
- Replace Kernel (Module Folder ) inside lib
- Replace Sevice.jar in framework folder
hope that would answer your Questions

who came from the evo

so i was wondering how many of you guys came from the evo 4g, and what you guys like over the evo other than the amoled screen of coarse that is a no brainer, how the battery life been treating you so far i record it to be about the same 6 to 7 hours wish i could get more i might be upgrading to a bigger battery soon.

i'm actually wondering about switching in the other direction.
i know at least on paper, epic is a better device.
but it seems like evo owners are having more fun with their devs.
no knock on our devs... (thank you to all)
i know that they are working hard.
i was thinking about picking up an evo on ebay/craigslist... and playing around with it. any one on the fence?

Nope. Lack of a download mode kills it for me. I've already bricked my phone once with a bad flash. Thanks to a download mode, I was able to recover with ease using Odin. I don't think I would ever use a phone without one now, provided there was an option to get one with one.
That and the news on HTC phone logs that are easily viewable by others is a little shady. Shame on HTC!

I agree with the development very high seriously about 40 flashable roms downsise I hate sense love the g.b based rom cynogen etc... how ever I have noticed the super quick os versious evo just feels smoother even at 1 ghz plus evo highest o.c is 1.2 and I have seen 1.6 so I am happy with the change just need to figure out how to get better batt life cause it sux but again so does the evo
Sent from my SPH-D700 using xda premium

Came from EVO 4G. Missing nandroid and the plethora of ROMs that were available for that device. The only reason I chose the Epic Touch over the 3D was for the extra memory. The screen is nice on this device but the resolution lacks behind the competition and I don't really care for the oversaturated look. Looks like both phones are "obsolete" anyway as we never got 4G in Detroit and it looks like we never will. I was really tempted to get the Motorola since I do travel occasionally and it would have been nice to have GSM capability. The lack of a gyro on that bothered me though since I like playing with google sky. It was pretty erratic running on the EVO 4G without the gyro.
Anyway I'm looking forward to the experience.

[q] evo 4g, is it good?

i've been wondering about evo 4g for a week.
I know its a CDMA phone. Is it good? :d can you tell me feedbacks regarding this phone. i wanna sell my Galaxy Y for an Evo 4g.
and how does this CDMA works? can you help me guys?
thanks, please help me decide
im really into this device.
thanks

the evo 4g, is the best phone I've had,I have had it since it came out and I'm not planning on changing it for at least one more year,I have decks 1.3 custom ROM, it gives me 15+ hours and I also like all the customization of the phone and I can tether my internet and all kinds of cool stuff. Is out of production and not getting any new official upgrades but the deva here are awesome. All I can truly say is I love my phone
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Even though there are newer phones out and no longer made, it's still considered one of the very best Android phones. Take into account current used prices and they are an incredible deal, even more-so when you consider the number and quality of roms and accessories available.

The evo is a great phone and its been fine for me, but personally I would get the evo 3d or design because you are able to get those for cheaper then I payed for my orginal evo and their stats are slightly better. and they will be getting the ICS update and i just feel as they run smoother, as my poor evo gets older I see her aging a lot and its really not in a good way with all sorts of issues poping up, so I think you are better of just getting one of the newer models, but HTC is certainly a great way to go!
i hope i helped if i did hit that thanks button please!

I wouldn't mind the 3D (disable the 3d), it supposedly has better battery life and it is a little better, but you can get an Evo 4g for about half the cost.
If I was buying again, yes, I would consider the 3D more. At the moment, the 3D (and maybe the Design) is the only phone I would consider replacing my 4g with. Everything else has too many compromises or costs too much. Since I just bought my 4g though, I'm in no hurry to replace it.

THANKS for the replies! i would get it the next Week thanks and looking forward to you guys!! im very excited to have those EVO on my hands ==" darn

I just bought one
I just got one i love it so far I got it on ebay .. Pre set for boost I dont know what carrier ur on or wish to be on

its quite good,
lots of alternative ROM, lots of friendly DEV's here,
and EVO can do almost everything we ask for (for a smartphone)

Before i had my EVO i had an HTC HERO. the day the EVO came out i got rid of my hero and strigt up bought my evo with no upgrade and iv been loving it. no other phone beats this. yeah the phone is old and its DEADED by sprint and HTC, but honestly the only other phone id even consider getting is the EVO 3d or nexus when it comes out.
but overall i never have problems with this phone and i love it. in my opinion i think its the most supported phone on XDA with SO MANY roms and cool mods.

I'd wait for the galaxy note
I have the evo 4g and it was great when i got it new but its starting to show its age. If you are buying it used thats fine but if its with a new contract i'd wait a few months. Sprint is supposedly getting the GAlaxy Note which is much better. one bad thing about the evo 4g is the screen is not too good in sunlight, which can be a problem with turn by turn in the car. Samsung uses superAMOLED displays so its less of an issue. battery life is an issue esp if you overclock, i'd check out amazon for batteries. I just got a Seidio 1750 for $8. much better then stock battery

i got 2 weeks with my evo and everything is going good.... im just waiting for a fully working ics ROM and everything its gonna be perfect.
*probably in a few days

I've had my EVO 4g for 2.5 years now (well broke it twice, thank god for insurance) and I've no need or want for a new phone. I work 8 hours a day, and play pandora on my phone with wifi of course non-stop for the whole day (without charge) and am left with 50% battery when i get off! It's amazing. But of course i use Mazwoz ICS 3.5Beta, Tiatmat 4.1.0sbc Kernel, and a 3500mah battery. But still! Its an awesome phone, tons of dev support. It's fun to put it up against my friends iphone 4s's with speed test and blow them away!
Good luck with your evo 4g man! And check out mazwoz's ICS rom!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1481091