I have a rooted evo 4g. For tethering I use pdanet and wireless tether. I use these applications quite a bit and was worried that sprint might terminate my service or something for excessive data usage (As we all know the data plans are not absolutely unlimited according to sprints terms of service). When I have checked the data usage on my bill, it would range from about 1-4gb. What confuses me is that i know i have downloaded at least 10-20gb while tethering during these billing cycles. Does anyone have any insight to this? Most of the downloads were using the 4g network, and a little on the 3g. Why wouldn't my bill show that I had in fact used 10-20gb of data?
Well, because the majority of your downloading was via 4g, they don't track that.
Oh... Well alrighty then. Makes sense. Thanks.
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That's the whole point of pdanet, sprint doesnt see it as tethering data, just regular 3g/4g data.
It looks like they don't see any kind of data usage.
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Can someone explain this?
http://shop.sprint.com/en/stores/popups/4G_coverage_popup.shtml
I just ordered a EVO (2 actually), and I got on the Everything Data plan. Is there still a 5G limit on 3G? How will I know if I hit that? Will I be charged ridiculously when I do? What about that roaming data limit? Will I incur fees if I go over that? Or is it impossible to go over those amounts?
Thanks.
There is no data cap at all using the evo. Tethering and internet used on the phone are both truly unlimited across 4g and 3g. Sprint had stated this on their community forum. Do a google search fort buzz about wireless and then navigate to the evo discussion forum. Sprint talks about it there. Hope that helps.
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Oh and as far as data roaming goes, the limit is 300 megs. Not sure about charges after that. On sprint network it is truly unlimited.
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My first month was >8GB which showed up as 8GB out of unlimited. No problems.
Intersting link in OP. But it's BS. I have no 4G, and I used wifi tether in June of over 20GBs. My bill didn't change, I heard nothing from Sprint.
Looking at possible switch to Sprint and the Evo... the lady at Sprint told me that you had to pay 30 extra dollars a month to use the hotspot. Is that still true after rooting and what not? Also any tips, suggestions are welcome, I don't know much about sprint
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If you have a rooted phone, you can install wireless tether and tether your phone just like the hotspot, but without the payment to sprint. Your evo would have unlimited 4g data, but I'm sure sprint wouldn't be happy if you start torrenting through their connection.
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If you have a rooted phone, you can install wireless tether and tether your phone just like the hotspot, but without the payment to sprint. Your evo would have unlimited 4g data, but I'm sure sprint wouldn't be happy if you start torrenting through their connection.
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Cool I figured it would be easy. They told me 4G isnt available here yet so Ill be stuck on 3G anyway. Anything else I should know about sprint or the Evo coming from the Hero?
EVO has unlimited data, period, so long as your roaming data usage does not exceed your non-roaming data usage. Also, please don't start racking up data just for the hell of it. Sprint's CEO has hinted that because some people are being greedy, they might do away with unlimited data, or just charge more for it (in addition to the $10 fee).
Or do I need to use Android Wifi Tether for my tethering needs?
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Or do I need to use Android Wifi Tether for my tethering needs?
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I haven't used the built-in so can't answer but just wanted to chime in with THWG!
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Bump... also, really? No answers?
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Yes. Doesn't it redirect ?
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I'm not going to give you a 100% sure answer but here's my interpretation.
The built in wifi tether on CM or AOSP ROMs should be just as traceable as using Wifi Tether as in, they could monitor your data usage and see large usage or large spikes in data flow, however this is highly unlikely unless you're one of those people that use 30GB a month.
From what I've seen with the built in wifi tether for the stock Verizon LTE GN when you click turn on the hotspot it goes through a validation / verification thing in which it communicates with Verizon and starts some log of data, when you turn it off it appears to then give that information back to Verizon to say the connection is closed. As the built in one on custom roms doesn't do this it should be just as in the clear as wifi tether.
Again, not 100% sure but I'm just using built in on CM these days.
It doesn't even have to be spikes in data.. they can see what type of device the data is being sent to/from. However, they never said a thing when I tethered my Thunderbolt. The spikes in data is what causes them to investigate.
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Short Answer: They could, but won't unless you become a problem for them.
Long Answer: Tethering goes through the same APN as cellular usage, which is why they have the phone-home feature on stock. They really can't tell without packet sniffing to figure out specifically what usage came from what device. That is a lot of work, but even more importantly, is that they need a man-in-the-loop to 1) maintain the automated systems. 2) deal with customer service issues arising from people that have been billed for off-plan usage.
If you don't know why #2 is so important, think about how much it costs when an angry customer calls in and takes up and hour of a rep and his manager's time. You could be looking at $20 of wages wasted trying to wrange $10-20 out of a customer. That's in addition to building the servers to handle the data, and the network infrastructure to sniff the packets.
It's just not worth it, unless someone is downing 20GB on 3G, or 50GB on LTE. It's even less worth it now that everyone is moving away from unlimted data plans (for now, just like voice, it will come back when the technology outpaces the demand). Why sniff packets, when the network hogs will just roll into overage charges anyway? Expect the tethering plans to dissappear in the next few years.
Just checked my 4G data usage and seen I hit 11 GB is this excessive?
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Not really, there's people who use 50+ gigs and bragging about it.
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Just checked my 4G data usage and seen I hit 11 GB is this excessive?
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Yes I used over 5GB on slow ass sprint 3g
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I'm usually at 6gig and I live on this thing.
no 4g around me though.
I used to use about 1-2 GB on 3G, but then I got a wifi router for home.
Now I barely use 200 MB. Plus moving files between PC and phone w/o cables @3 MB/s is pretty nice.
My idiot friend said he used over 300gb one month because he was downloading ps3 games.... Idiots like that are the reason we won't have unlimited forever.... The odd thing is he said that he never got a warning or disruption in his service. I never even get close to you guys cuz I am on wifi virtually everywhere I go
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Just checked my 4G data usage and seen I hit 11 GB is this excessive?
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Did you hit 11GB through phone usage or through tethering? My home internet provider in my building went out of business so I had to start tethering and I hit 18GB of 4G. From what I understand, Sprint doesn't care as long as you aren't roaming. Before tethering, I would go through about 3-4GB a month.
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My idiot friend said he used over 300gb one month because he was downloading ps3 games.... Idiots like that are the reason we won't have unlimited forever.... The odd thing is he said that he never got a warning or disruption in his service. I never even get close to you guys cuz I am on wifi virtually everywhere I go
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Those idiots won't be the reason why, but, they will be the excuse why.
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Those idiots won't be the reason why, but, they will be the excuse why.
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300GB? I think that would be a pretty good reason on their part. He's using 20-30X the amount of data the average data hog here uses (or admits to using). And that's 300X the amount of data the average user (people who live in the 21st century and have wifi at home) uses.
That's obnoxious even compared to other abusers!
Other than illegally downloading warez, I can' think of a single legitimate way a normal person could go through that much bandwidth. Even streaming Netflix... that's 300+ movies (from my experience watching data use on the phone). The hogs here who stream Pandora every day even stay in the low 2 digits of data use.
That idiot friend deserves to get booted!
I hit around 1.3GB last month on 4G (Usage reset yesterday). And I used around a Gig or so on 3G. Im typically always on Wifi though, so my data isnt as high as it would be if it werent for me using Wifi. I get AWESOME 4G coverage at my apartment too
used +8gbs of 4g on primary line this past month, streaming like crazy....bought nba league pass, only use google cloud music for music and heavy surfing. im not worried about overages, ive got a smarthphone to use not stare at.
as for that 300gb claim....id say youre friend is just a douche and didnt even come close to that. i doubt you could even pull 300 gigs of data in a month due to poor sprint coverage/service
The most I ever used was 6.5 gigs and that's because I was testing this torrentlt client on my phone. Lol I downloaded the entire Naruto series.
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My highest has been 25GB on 4g and 2GB on 3g. I'm already at almost 5GB on 4g n not even at 1GB yet on 3g since I barely use that crap. I got 17 more days left in this cycle so i'm sure I'll be at about 20GB by the end of this cycle.
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Those idiots won't be the reason why, but, they will be the excuse why.
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Well said!
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I think you're good...a lot of us have hit high numbers for one reason or another and if you actually have a good signal and utilize your phone for streaming music and uploading pics, etc its not hard to hit a higher number.
When I moved to a new place a few months ago I tethered my revue and two laptops for a couple of weeks until I had broadband hooked up and hit 48 gigs...no letters in the mail. I get great 4G at home and 3G for that matter and average around 10 gigs a month combined usage. Sprint is great if you're in a strong signal area.
I don't understand why a home ISP internet provider can give you all the data you want but cell companies decided to cap people and offer tiered plans. It is not like it cost them more if I use 2 gigs or 4 gigs of data.
Is is a real shame that mobile providers took this direction with data. Getting anything more then the 2 or 3 gig plan just makes your cell phone bill an outrages unaffordable price.
Sprint is great that they still offer unlimited data but when you are using 3G and getting 40kbs what is the point? How could Sprint have ever let there network get this bad. When I had the EVO 4G and I never needed to turn of 4G. Since it killed the battery within hours I was able to use 3G for anything I wanted to without a problem.
Now, if you are not in a 4G area, you phone is almost useless as far as data is concerened. Streaming anything is almost near impossible.
If Sprint actually fixes their network and has LTE 2 years from now I am sure they will not be unlimited either. If they were to tier now, why would anyone in their right mind stay with them? Like Sprint took everything else away from their customers, unlimited data will be next. They just need a network that they can pull that BS on...
Depends on who your ISP is.
ATT has a 100gb limit, and I get a lousy 2.5mbs for $38 month...
Comcast has a 250gb limit.
I don't understand why a home ISP internet provider can give you all the data you want but cell companies decided to cap people and offer tiered plans. It is not like it cost them more if I use 2 gigs or 4 gigs of data.
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There may not be a direct monetary cost, but bandwidth being consumed by one user is bandwidth unavailable for other users to use; it is a rival resource. Users who use a large amount of data place a higher burden on the network than users who use a typical amount and cause data speeds for these users to be lower than they would be otherwise. This reduction in service quality experienced by other users could cause them to leave the network and cost the service provider.
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Depends on who your ISP is.
ATT has a 100gb limit, and I get a lousy 2.5mbs for $38 month...
Comcast has a 250gb limit.
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DSL users are capped at 150GB, U-Verse has no cap since AT&T can't distinguish the TV usage from actual internet usage, so they don't cap that at all.
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Sprint is great that they still offer unlimited data but when you are using 3G and getting 40kbs what is the point? How could Sprint have ever let there network get this bad. When I had the EVO 4G and I never needed to turn of 4G. Since it killed the battery within hours I was able to use 3G for anything I wanted to without a problem.
I remember this! It was Unbelievably fast. ...
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Unlimited 4G data on T-Mobile network for accessing the web, streaming music and HD video, and downloading cool apps—as much as you want. No limits and no overages - 89.99$ a month.
Which for me is only about 5$ more. So it says its not compatible with "Smartphone Mobile Hotspot" Now I assume thats the built in stock option they lock down.. So question is, how does this effect our rooted ways of tethering and wifi hotspot making. Has anyone tried yet? Or have info about this? Thanks.
with that plan you will not be able to tether as for as i know,can they stop you?that i don't know.can they tell? not really sure,but in the past talking to tmobile they can basically tell how much you use is by there a difference in using your phone and tethering...when you tether,there more data usage....but i have the 10 gb data plan which include free tether,also if you get the 5gb plan,that also comes with free tethering...
Well I have the 2GB one atm for the cost (which is still unlimited, just slows down) but yea, orig.. they never had an app for tethering. Seems the S3 has a T-Mobile made app for tethering (Stock rom app) So Id assume using our normal root wifi tether apps.. we should be ok. Like you said, they might know the diff in the bandwidth, then again might not.. Netflix and MobiTV alone can take up alot. Not to mention Youtube in HD. I may have to try this and see what happens. Unless someone has the new plan already. I mean unlimited 4G.. True unlimited.. thats not bad at all.
I know I'm loving T-Mobile right now I'm streaming radio for a whole shift at work downloading roms and all kinds of WiFi stuff.and get this I was already was paying for the 5g data plan so when I called for them to switch me over to the unlimited 4g plan I actually saved $5 off my bill and cause I was throttled by the 5th of September it brought me right out of edge. And yes the t mobile hotspot app redirects any device connected to some T-Mobile web page. But we are good with hotspot app from the play store
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Rooted tethering still works.
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Rooted tethering still works.
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Thanks,
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Thanks! Great to know. I think paying 10$ more a month for the "ability" (even if not used) for TRUE unlimited is worth it. Lock in and grandfather before they change their mind. Mobile Netflix + Hdmi = Win for one example of travel use.
Do have one stupid question. Anyone know on the Official hotspot app use. If all ports are enabled? Or is it still 80 and 8080 only? Thats the only thing I could see a different on. TMO hotspot might give you more ports access. However I am unsure.
I highly doubt the T-Mobile hotspot is any better than something you can find in the market And if it's just hotspot through the settings, it's the exact same thing.
Tho if I am not mistaken... Wasnt most of the rooted wifi tether apps an "Ad-Hoc" connection vs "Infrastructure" mode? Granted computers and ios seem to handle that fine. However items like PSP, DS, and other consoles didnt like ad-hoc internet connections. Or is that different now? (I ask cause my tablet seems to host in infrastructure mode, while my G1 on its tether app did like an adhoc form)