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Might someone know a program that will allow me to access my 8525 via remote control from my XP-Pro Desktop? There used to be one for WM2003 but I can not seem to find it and I rather doubt it would work for WM6 anyways.
BTW, I did find that I can control my XP Desktop from my 8525, that is pretty darn cool. I attempted to try from XP >> PDA but I guess that is not supported in that direction.
Thanks!
[PS I sure hope there is not already a thread on this for WM6 - I did attempt to search for one and came up zero].
http://www.soti.net/default.asp?Cmd=Products&SubCmd=PCPro
Google is an amazing thing, you should try it sometime
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/wce/downloads/ppctoys.mspx
or soti pocket controller but that costs money, and I am sure there are a dozen other programs to do the same thing...
Thank you both [and for the Google suggestion]. While Google is a good thing for sure, generally it will not tell me that using a Non-Supported ROM [like with WM6 we are using] what x-software will be functional.
When I was using WM5 on my SX-66 I used a Remote Program and it really messed it up and I had to re-flash. So I was hoping to get some tips on what other users have used with Hermes/WM6 for remote access. Yes I know, Bah, Bah, bah....
With that said, the Google statement is still valid - I guess I was being a little to lazy.
no prob bro, if your running vista, for me atleast the microsoft powertoy remote control would lag during install sometimes, not sure why but I would run it and it would just sit there, so just a heads up if ur on vista, but it might not even happen to you.
I have WinXP Pro, Vista32bit and Vista64bit install on three different hard drives. For Vista I can not even get it to connect properly to my 8525, I gave up [temporally]! I am sure I can get it to work but when I brought the phone home on Friday I did not want to be fighting the darn OS.
I have a T-mobile Dash that I am very happy with but am shopping for a new laptop. I am considering 2 laptops running Vista (Dell XPS 1330 and a Toshiba Protege R500)and the 13' Macbook. My concern is being able to sync up contacts and calender. I am currently syncing to Outlook on my laptop running XP. I am not sure which would be easier to sync my Dash with. I have heard the problems with Vista and Mobile Device Center, and have know that there is software that allows syncing with a mac. I am mainly concerned with being able to sync my contacts and calender, everything else is secondary.
My options seem to be basically,
Deal with WMDC on Vista,
Use software such as missing sync to sync to the mac,
run xp on parallels to sync with outlook via active sync.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
P.S. I need microsoft office for compatibility with the computers at school for projects etc, so I have outlook but use it only for contacts and calenders, not email.
Thanks,
Bryan
well, you could start by getting a laptop with Vista on it, and immeditealy re-format it XP...which should be the default choice if you ask me
ashasaur said:
well, you could start by getting a laptop with Vista on it, and immeditealy re-format it XP...which should be the default choice if you ask me
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Yep unfortunately Vista isn't up to par with windows mobile compatibility as yet. I got a MacBook Pro and an iPhone but yes you could use the missing sync and a MacBook. I haven't used it personally but I've heard good reports. Get the Mac first and you'll love its philosophy so much I bet you get an iPhone.
I use missing sync with my Imac and it's great.
How to get ahold of a copy of XP
How hard is it to get a copy of XP to replace Vista? That would be an ideal solution. No new software to buy as the software that I have would need I have already. If XP was offered as the OS on one of the windows laptops I would not be tempted by the mac. I am happy with my XP laptop now and am just looking for something smaller and more portable.
I phone
Indiekiduk,
I would love to get an apple SMARTPHONE. If apple released a 3G iphone and opened it up to third party apps i would consider it. I was really looking forward to the potential that the Iphone had, but am extremely disappointed with the current version. If apple released a smartphone with the capabilities of a WM phone then I would be tempted. I work for a cell phone company that sells Verizon, ATT, and T-Mobile. I would consider ATT service for an apple smartphone, not the current entertainment phone.
It has WiFi that goes faster than WM and can run 3rd party apps. Yes GPRS is a little slower than 3G and it takes a small bit of effort to set it up to install the installer which lets you install the 3rd party apps from one tap, but overall the iphone is leagues above a windows mobile. The interface is stunning, so intuitive and a joy to use. The device is sleek and the hardware is the most powerful ever in a phone, multi-touch screen, orientation sensor, one button on the headset for pause music, skip song, answer and hang calls, it even has a 3D graphics accelerator!! It has a full web browser, pages look just like your laptop, double tap columns of text to zoom to them, supports javascript, ajax, animations, more people are browsing on the iphone than windows 98 and Windows mobile combined in the latest stats! I'm only touching on the features here.
Here is the installer:
http://iphone.nullriver.com/beta/
Here are some other things to get excited about!
http://cre.ations.net/creation/dock
http://navizon.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/09/a-version-of-na.html
Honestly man, windows mobile is up **** creek.
You can use the iPhone on T-Mobile if you unlock it, either using the freeware AnySim (in installer) or using www.stealthsim.com (the latest iphones require this method at present). If you work for a cell phone company this should be trivial for you.
Not about Iphone
Im glad the Iphone works for you, but it does not offer anything that would make me spend the money for one at this point. I know that there is unlocking software and applications out there, but it is a lot of trouble to go through for an expensive phone. If I were going to spend that kind of money right now i would probably but an unlocked Kaiser. Like i said, if apple brought out a true smartphone i would be seriously interested, rigth now there are just too many drawbacks for me.
The way apple has treated the iPhone actually makes me want to buy a mac less (and certainly not right before Macworld). I have not been impressed by the way they have handled the iphone, but I am not really impressed with Vista either. If microsoft had not messed up Vista and WMDC then I would not be considering switching to a mac, I would just adjust to vista.
If I switched phones right now it would probably be to a BB Curve, as UMA (hot spot at home) calling would be a a good feature for me.
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How hard is it to get a copy of XP to replace Vista? That would be an ideal solution. No new software to buy as the software that I have would need I have already. If XP was offered as the OS on one of the windows laptops I would not be tempted by the mac. I am happy with my XP laptop now and am just looking for something smaller and more portable.
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Well, I dont know what we are supposed to post on here, but shoot me a PM and I can see about hookin you up...
i haven't had any problems with Vista and my S621... i sync up to Outlook with my contacts and calendar no prob...
atlp99 said:
Im glad the Iphone works for you, but it does not offer anything that would make me spend the money for one at this point. I know that there is unlocking software and applications out there, but it is a lot of trouble to go through for an expensive phone. If I were going to spend that kind of money right now i would probably but an unlocked Kaiser. Like i said, if apple brought out a true smartphone i would be seriously interested, rigth now there are just too many drawbacks for me.
The way apple has treated the iPhone actually makes me want to buy a mac less (and certainly not right before Macworld). I have not been impressed by the way they have handled the iphone, but I am not really impressed with Vista either. If microsoft had not messed up Vista and WMDC then I would not be considering switching to a mac, I would just adjust to vista.
If I switched phones right now it would probably be to a BB Curve, as UMA (hot spot at home) calling would be a a good feature for me.
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Eh? The Kaiser is twice the price of the iphone! $800 compared with $400. Here are more apps to wet your appetite!
http://lifehacker.com/339834/the-20-best-iphone-and-ipod-touch-applications
I know its a tough decision moving from something you know to something new. But honestly, owning a Mac will blow you away and your only frustration will be why you didn't get one sooner!
I know that the Kaiser is expensive but it lines up better with what I need in a phone.
If I went to an I phone I would lose
Push email (WM6 push email with hotmail) and easy setup of gmail
Hardware keyboard, ( after spending some time with a friends iPhone this is fairly neutral, i prefer a hardware keyboard but the iPhone keyboard is workable)
MMS, (I send enough picture messages to my wife that I would miss this ability)
If I unlocked it to use on my T-mobile dealer line then I would not be able to update to the newer versions of the software as they come out without locking the phone again until the software has been hacked again. Has 1.1.2 been fully unlocked for both applications and sim?
Indiekiduk, this has me rethinking how what i would really miss if I went to an Iphone so keep the ideas coming
Thanks
Vista and Dash will not exchange passkeys
So I have given up on getting the toshiba BT stack to play nicely with my device, and have opted to used the default vista drivers. All this to simply get active sync to work via bluetooth.
I have been able to pair the two devices, but when it comes time to sync... regardless of what I use as a passkey, I always get a failure message from vista. Passkey was not exchanged variety...
I have researched across the web to see similar problems, but no solutions. Any thoughts
Thanks
ROM: Kavana 6.1 (rickwyatt flavor) v. 18
OS: Vista x64 ultimate
WMDM: 6.1
Okay... I finally have my dash synced via bluetooth...
...now how can I edit my registry on my pc to change what serial port (com6) my bluetooth uses to push data files
Help i cannot sync!
Hi, I hope somebody can help me, ever since I installed 6.1 and try to syn either via bluetooth or usb my phone says "this device its not allowed to connect to desktop computer" i dont know what to do and i really need to sync my phone!
XP or vista?
what bluetooth stack?
its vista and its the built-in bluetooth on my laptop!
Vista won't partner after upgrade to 6.1
I just upgraded to mobile 6.1 and overall everything works now after installing a bunch of cab files to fix the keyboard issues. However now my Windows Vista won't recognize my HTC phone. I finally went to USB to PC setting and unchecked "Enable Advanced Network Functionality" and Vista seemed to recognize it. However my Dash now says it REQUIRES Active Sync 4.5 or higher. Vista uses Windows Mobile Center and for some reason I can't get it to recognize and create a partnership. Any thoughts?
Also how do I get a song to become my ring tone. Seems this was lost
Thanks!
Unfortunately, I have the same problem. I updated to the latest "Windows Mobile Device Center" - still no luck, I get "Synchronization Failed Error" and to update to active sync 4.5 - Wierd :S
However, I have another computer running vista, it's a brand new pc which barely has anything on it and it connects just fine so I had to use that all day yesterday but the pc I use is in my room and that's the one giving me errors.
Any Solutions?
firewall? that might be a part to your problem
Mmm at last, the thing was discovered, and just experimentation is needed, so we can test the syncing (Cheack Thread Page 3).
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Mmm as I am far from a selfish guy, and have been asked about this, i think that i will share in an independent thread for anyone to see.
Note that this comes from my own ideas, not tested as i cannot use MTP protocol anymore.
[SIZE="5"]Responsability Disclaimer[/SIZE]
This may be agains DCMA or laws about reversing in your country. It's not probably being that way as is a development to interoperate with an unsupported OS (linux) and its one of the exceptions, but i'm not responsable for any liability you can have or imagine.
[SIZE="5"]What is this for?[/SIZE]
This is the procedure to follow before thinking in hacking the phone itself, trying to get to write and read files from the device.
It could faild and serve to no purpose or be gold, depending on the success of the tests.
In the best case, this will lead to the reading and writing of files at will to the device storage.
[SIZE="5"]USB protocol Pre-Knowledge (fast)[/SIZE]
I know you dont wanna know about it, and i am far from an expert but i must just express that USB devices support two operations:
[B]Bulk Transfers[/B] -> Big chunks of data, used mostly for the common data transfers up to 512Bytes per transmission (at a max/time).
[B]Interrupt Transfers[/B] -> Short chunks of data, used for changing settings on the device or short burst of information.
For your personal knowledge, MTP protocol instructions are bunch of hex codes and [U]they use bulk transfers for all of the MTP instructions[/U].
[SIZE="5"]Required items - Gathering[/SIZE]
- Working Kin
- Windows OS as host OS
- USB sniffer / monitor (I like Usblyzer, has trial for 30 days)
- CPU with virtualization capabilities (google how to check)
- Vmware
- Mac OSX image dvd (Snow leopard)
- Software & registration from MacSpace for Kin Media Sync
[SIZE="5"]Procedure[/SIZE]
- Unplug the kin & close all zune software opened.
- Install OSX in an vmware machine
- Install and setup Kin Media sync for mac
- Kill the process that launches zune when you plug the device ("ZuneLauncher.exe")
- Plug the kin now. Use a port where no other device is, so try to put it not together with other usb device like mouse/keyboard which could send packets and confuse the capture.
- Install and setup usb sniffer for windows.
--- Set it to sniff/capture at the USB port where the kin is (it's a tree view structure, so easy to see where to put the check). [U]Dont do it at the left of the KIN device!!![/U] do it on the bus/port as you will disconnect the kin later. Press start capture.
--- Open the zune software and visually check that the sniffer is capturing data (eeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaasssssyyyyyyy as it appears there). If it doesnt, you'r doing it wrong, probably cause the port/bus issue.
--- Close zune
--- Reset the capturing (stop, dont save, start).
- Open the virtual machine if it isnt.
- In the virtual machine you should have Kin Media Sync installed, which autolaunches if you have plugged the phone (virtually).
- In the virtual machine window bottom right (vmware border) you will see an item with usb icon. Hover over it and see if the tooltip says KIN. If there are more, look for the right one. Right-Click on it and pick "Connect (Disconnect from host".
- Hopefully, the usb sniffer on Windows would turn mad and begin capturing data, while Kin Media Sync is opening on the OSX virtual machine.
- I cant remember if it does put the label "Connected" at the Kin (you should remember that window from the Zune syncing :P). If it does, close Kin Media Sync and stop the capture on the windows usb sniffer. Else, do a sync before closing (doesnt matter what).
- Save the captured log as a file (in my case, Usblyzer file).
[SIZE="5"]Yeah, but why this is better than other software?[/SIZE]
Other users (and myself) have tried software that uses the MTP software which has some success on getting info from the device but fail when it comes to do reading or writing to the device.
I guess it's probably because the rest of the protocol, the private part that microsoft uses (MTPz) has some control values through the usb that turn on/off device properties, among ones is the one to write/read files.
My first idea was to understand this through the Zune software, but as i said many times, it uses DRM (Janus) to protect the songs (sigh!) and the mtp specification varies if using DRM protection, so i can never find out a way to solve it, without hacking the Zune software cryptography itself (not my intention at all) or became an old man finding how to bypass it. In any case, the Zune software does a RSA challenge-response handshake to the kin before calling to MTP-OpenSession, i can assure that, so its out of reach.
On the other hand Kin Media Studio for the OSX has no official DRM and it can just do easy syncing, so it's pretty much obvious for a dev guy (i am, haha) that its an easiest way to replicate. So i tried to go that way and i was correct, so it just does normal operations through usb and control interrupts.
The problem is that the native sniffers from OSX only capture 16 bytes of data through the usb bus, so messages over that cipher were not reachable for me at the moment. I contacted apple USB master guys about getting a bigger limit, and the resumed answer was something (just much more politely) like: "you'r screwed & stuck with 16 bytes".
So the only approach is to emulate Kin Media Sync in an OSX virtual machine under a windows os machine for the best sniffer software. Another bad point for the fruit logo machines.... (and i'm an owner... imagine a hater!). Here is why I stopped, as my normal working device (laptop) is kinda old and has no VMX/virtualization support, so i couldnt setup the virtual machine for OSX, stopping all the needed setup.
[SIZE="5"]From sniffed data to magic[/SIZE]
At this point, comes the complicate part. Understanding & testing the packets sent to the device to make things work. This is the part where i was going to operate with a new device or my current one if it wasnt bricked/stuck.
The problem appears with this structure (what is on the logged sniffed session):
- Plug the device
- Device <-> OS Handshake (Interrupt/Bulk transfers possible)
- Kin media sync queries (Interrupt transfers)
- Kin media write/read enable (Interrupt transfers)
- Kin media MTP Open session (Bulk transfer)
- Kin media MTP GetStorageInfo (Bulk transfer)
..... more MTP xxxxx (bulk transfer)
- Kin media MTP Close session (bulk transfer)
- Kin media write/read disable (Interrupt transfers)
- Kin media bye bye sync queries (Interrupt transfers)
(if unplugged, the ones below)
- Device <-> OS Goodbye (Interrupt/Bulk transfers possible)
- UnPlug the device
As some of you may realize, normal MTP software used didnt make the "read/write enable" cause the kin is not a standard device. So they fail. Once some person identifies which of this interrupt values make the kin "Connected" window shown and also enables it to be writable, profit comes.
So to test this and later make it published, you need a program to communicate with the device itself and do what some of you called "send hex codes to the kin" (which technically is "bulk and interrupt transfering values to the kin")
There seems to be none, so i code one from scratch and could polish it a bit and giveaway as a Netbeans C++ proyect.
I had some success and it works ok as i reused it(almost all the code) to operate my G15 on linux, iluminating keys and using the LCD pixels.
[SIZE="5"]This can brick my device?[/SIZE]
The short answer to this is NO. The long answer is no again, but cannot be sure of what happens enabling the the device settings while testing. It may become frozen and need to be restarted for example.
During the few test i made, mine refused to operate within my usb program and it was autosolved by libmtp-tools, which did a protocol reboot and it just work as is without doing nothing.
Anyway, i was aware that it was better than getting stuck with the phone "as is".
mmm All being said above, i just leave space for you guys to think what you wanna do with the info and questions that may appear.
Thanks but Hardware Virtualization came up as a no on my laptop.
I hope someone else tries.
I know I know I have to change my username as there are many similar and it gets confusing.
Thanks for taking the time for all the above text
I had a quick read-over what you put, but haven't looked at everything in detail. My wife had a baby yesterday morning, so I'm finding myself rather busy as of late.
Anyway, I'm more than happy to run some tests. Here's what I have access to right now (at home), with much more available when I get back to work in two weeks:
XPS m1530 laptop running x86 Windows 7 (dual-boot to Ubuntu 10.10 running as the Joli OS front). No Hardware Virtualization available for this system, though it can run VMWare for 32-bit Windows OS's.
Macbook Pro (Intel 64-bit archetecture) running 10.6.7 Snow Leopard. Can set up virtual machines if needed, using VMWare, but I'm not sure if that's necessary or not.
Powerbook G4 (PPC) running 10.5.x (latest 10.5 build). Can't run virtual machines, but can be used if another source is helpful to trace.
My personal KIN TWOm running the M OS build. Can technically be reverted back to the TWO (non-M) OS, but I'd rather not lose everything as it's my working phone.
My wife's TWOm, not activated. I can probably play with this more, as she isn't ready to use it yet, but I'd be in trouble if I bricked it.
At work, I have access to a number of different computers and OS's, as needed. I don't think this would be necessary, but they are still there.
John, can I ask where you're at? I've gotten the notion that you're not in the US, as you've said you don't have access to a CDMA network. Is there any way we can get your phone to a US Verizon store for assistance?
klamation said:
Macbook Pro (Intel 64-bit archetecture) running 10.6.7 Snow Leopard. Can set up virtual machines if needed, using VMWare, but I'm not sure if that's necessary or not.
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This has hardware capabilities (VMX feature), but you should have to install XP (or 7) through bootcamp and then install the OSX there, as the host must be windows. Anyway, you'r "lucky" as 64 bit machines can get up to 32 bytes from the usb bus, so 2x my limitation (not enough but more).
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John, can I ask where you're at? I've gotten the notion that you're not in the US, as you've said you don't have access to a CDMA network. Is there any way we can get your phone to a US Verizon store for assistance?
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I'm from Europe, so most phone network is common GSM with some 3G implementations. I didn bought the phone from verizon, so have no relation to them and hence, no way to give them the phone expecting a working return (why should they in any case?).
johnkussack said:
This has hardware capabilities (VMX feature), but you should have to install XP (or 7) through bootcamp and then install the OSX there, as the host must be windows. Anyway, you'r "lucky" as 64 bit machines can get up to 32 bytes from the usb bus, so 2x my limitation (not enough but more).
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After I read the details of what you want to do, I thought the same thing. I have 64-bit Windows 7 set up on a bootcamp partition (I actually use VMware Fusion to run it, most of the time, but can natively boot into it, if I need). I have never been successful at setting up an OSX VM though, as it's not officially supported. If you have any reference on how to do it, I'm all ears. I'll do more research into it after posting this.
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I'm from Europe, so most phone network is common GSM with some 3G implementations. I didn bought the phone from verizon, so have no relation to them and hence, no way to give them the phone expecting a working return (why should they in any case?).
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Considering the phone is less than a year old, it should still be under warranty. I know I've taken phones into their stores before and had them reimage them. I should try that with the KIN to see if they can do it (if the stores actually have the ability to reimage a KIN phone, indicating they have a ROM of it)
I could assist, I have a tri-boot of vista, 7, and OS X.
I doubt that there is a 128 bit processor emulator, let alone the OS...so wouldn't a solution be to use the same technique ,but "freeze" the process to collect data being transferred?
When I mean freezing, I mean slowing the USB data transfer speeds (using hardware underclocking, on the computer and/or phone)
@klamation
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-install-os-x-snow-leopard-in-vmware-windows-7-9140301/
Also, it could be a hackintosh image, i guess. At least if it is able to install the kin media sync software...
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i didnt understand anything beyond the 1st line.
there is no need to slow anything as it was a OSX kernel limitation thing, period.
John,
Why do we need 64bit vmx capability to capture messages when the Zune Software is successfully messaging with 32 bit on windows machines? Obviously I am missing something important.
Dave
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You'r missing a more detailed reading of the first post.
Quoteing myself:
My first idea was to understand this through the Zune software, but as i said many times, it uses DRM (Janus) to protect the songs (sigh!) and the mtp specification varies if using DRM protection, so i can never find out a way to solve it, without hacking the Zune software cryptography itself (not my intention at all) or became an old man finding how to bypass it. In any case, the Zune software does a RSA challenge-response handshake to the kin before calling to MTP-OpenSession, i can assure that, so its out of reach.
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John, I was talking about halting the processor of the phone to allow the cache of data to be recorded and cleared. Once cleared, the processor will resume and the cycle can be repeated until the data is fully collected.
Anyway, has anyone found a jtag port on the board?
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John, I was talking about halting the processor of the phone to allow the cache of data to be recorded and cleared. Once cleared, the processor will resume and the cycle can be repeated until the data is fully collected.
Anyway, has anyone found a jtag port on the board?
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I guess that it would be feasible in a parallel universe. And not mentioning that it's a host os "problem" (st#### OSx), not the phone fault.
Also please posting random ideas without thinking about what you say. A jtag? really?
And in the random case where you can plug one JTag cable/homemade adapter.... how the hell will you use it? with what program? with what known hardware specific schematics?
We cannot handle a USB writing... forget about other access...
Trying to start up Mac OSX 10.6 on a dell 630 laptop but keep getting a cpu has been disabled by the guest operating system error. Maybe I can get a newer copy of MAC that will work.
@ kintwouser
If you are having problems, look for kexts oriented around vmware or your own hardware if you're using hardware acceleration.
@John
Ah. Well then I'll just hop into my Delorean that I modified to travel to alternate dimensions, rather than just through time.
Ok ok I'll try to resist irking you any further.
I just reread the Kin Media Sync to asure it, and you can install it over a 10.5.6 Osx which is the labeled "Leopard" (as is), so i guess easier to get.
Maybe a little hackintosh image would do the same thing, as we dont really need compatibility... as long as the Media Sync works i wouldnt care about having audio on the virtual machine, or networking.. whatever.
On my own plain of existance, i tried to follow the url i posted and went till 95% of the installation, but Virtual machine didnt keep installing, so i had to turn the pc (was about 3 hours). I guess i will try with another different image or my official leopard dvd's.
It's kinda weird in my case, using a macbook with windows to vitualize a OSX... haha.
I've been trying to install SL for about 30 hrs now with no success. I've tried three different versions. VMware 7 is OK here but ACPI errors keeps disabling the CPU during osx install. I have edited the vmx file to no avail. Some suggested that I need kext files but I can't install them if osx isn't installed. I'll keep trying as it is a quest now.
don't know if i am breaking the agreements of this forum since i didn't read it (ala the latest south park episode) but here:
http://tehparadox.com/forum/f51/snow-leopard-10-6-6-vmware-hackintosh-newbies-1973493/
No editing needed. You just need to get VMware Workstation from the official site and use that custom vmware osx image. I have tested it and it works. Now if only I had the phone I could really do some testing.
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don't know if i am breaking the agreements of this forum since i didn't read it (ala the latest south park episode) but here:
http://tehparadox.com/forum/f51/snow-leopard-10-6-6-vmware-hackintosh-newbies-1973493/
No editing needed. You just need to get VMware Workstation from the official site and use that custom vmware osx image. I have tested it and it works. Now if only I had the phone I could really do some testing.
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Great find, i'm downloading it atm. Well, i think they could have chosen a (mega)better site but's ok. Queued downloads.
I will try the "installation" in my bootcamped windows XP plus vmware and then kin media sync.... Now I need a phone too, heehehehehe.
John,
I got a 10.6.7 VM running on my Win7 bootcamp partition. I followed the steps you mentioned and was able to capture some USB sniff/trace logs of browsing the device and copying a file. (inexperience during the initial sync missed the bulk of the sync).
You can find the file at www.kyleandelin.com/KIN - let me know if this helps or if you need something more?
Phew, i saw a little pack of problems hahaha (unexpected!)
While i stopped doing this, there was a new version released (2.0) and its format is not readable with 1.6 (version i have).
Installing 2.0 didnt solved the issue, as it says that was captured with a 64 bitOS version and it's not compatible with 32 bits version..... The 2.0 is the first one that included the support for 64 bits.
Man, this is all against us haha.
So... possible solutions:
- Install v1.6. May not work on 64bit os
- Install v2.0 as 32 bit verison. May not work on 64 bits or may be autoinstalled and set to 64bits.
So... what to do from here:
Please, confirm my theory before going further.
- Perform a capture from unplug state (needs to be from start). Must include the plugin till kin shows the connected status.
- Stop the capture session.
- Check the captured data in usblyzer.
- Look for the first "Request" column with "Bulk or Interrupt transfer" value.
--- If there is no suck column in all the capture session, the whole process is futile (no MTP protocol would have been transfered) and we should rethink our options.
--- If there is, please check that its column "Raw data" contains at least "10 00 00 00 01 00 02 10 ... " or a very close value.
If i'm right, and the column matches, it means that usblyzer has successfully captured the mtpz OpenSession request. Also, if it was that way, the "magic" instructions would be the before it.
If there are more than 1 and it's not the first one, please check for it .
I am finally gonna get a new (working) device, so i think that things are going to be a bit fun in some time.....
This time, just MTP, no Qualcomm random options testing.. (hahahahaha)
So, this isn't about the Galaxy Nexus per-se, but I know many of you are scared of the change to MTP and the interaction with the computer, especially those of you coming from Gingerbread directly through to the Galaxy Nexus.
I've had a Motorola Xoom (which doesn't support USB mass storage mode) for a while. Simply put, there is _no_ native support for MTP in OS X (10.7 or lower). If you plug your Galaxy Nexus into your Mac, nothing will happen at all. OS X won't see it, DoubleTwist doesn't see it, Songbird won't and iTunes (obviously) won't see it. As far as I know, there's no way of enabling your Mac to see the device natively, and all of the software designed for other MTP devices that I've tried doesn't work.
In fact, the only way your Mac will ever see it is if you download Google's Android File Helper software. This program, once installed, runs in the background, and whenever you plug in your Honeycomb (or ICS) device, it pops up a window showing the contents of the phone's memory. From here (and only from that window), you can pull files from the phone/tablet or put them onto it.
This works acceptably, but with a few hangups. First, unlike a normal finder window, only one transfer can occur at once, and there's no queueing. So, if you drop one folder on to copy, you're not able to move anything else onto or off of the card until it's finished. Also, large transfers (~10 GB) don't work particularly reliably, and may fail partway through, so you may consider dragging files in in groups. Finally, and most frustratingly, it will often not be up to date with what files are on the device, especially if you've recently deleted them. So, folders or files may still show up that you've recently deleted. Maybe this has been changed in ICS (I hope so!), but that's my experience.
That's your primary way on or off the device. I've had limited success using DDMS for transferring files on and off of the device, and although it's clunky and requires USB debugging mode, it's the most reliable way I've found for transfers that fail in the Transfer client. In practice, I'd recommend using something like SwiFTP to copy (smaller) files to and from your device, and avoiding the hassle when you can.
In short, you definitely CAN use OS X to transfer files onto and off of your Galaxy Nexus, but it's not as easy as it was for Gingerbread Devices, and tools like DoubleTwist and Songbird can no longer access your device at all (in their current versions). You can get around this using AirSync for DoubleTwist to load music, or doing so manually, but it's kludgey. It's unlikely that Apple will choose to support MTP in future versions of OS X (it's a Microsoft protocol now used mostly by Android), but hopefully Google will improve the tool as time goes on.
Sorry if this is all well known and obvious, but if you were on the fence about the GNex because of this, don't be. The MTP switch is annoying, but nothing showstopping, even for OS X. Just FYI.
wanderfowl said:
I've had a Motorola Xoom (which doesn't support USB host mode) for a while.
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Which doesn't have USB Mass Storage mode (not USB Host - this is USB OTG where you can plug in other USB peripherals into the Xoom). Sorry just a pet peeve watching people confuse the two.
Thanks for an informative post. MTP looks like it is going to cause headaches to every non-Windows device by the looks of it. Ironic for a Linux based device ; ).
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Which doesn't have USB Mass Storage mode (not USB Host - this is USB OTG where you can plug in other USB peripherals into the Xoom). Sorry just a pet peeve watching people confuse the two.
Thanks for an informative post. MTP looks like it is going to cause headaches to every non-Windows device by the looks of it. Ironic for a Linux based device ; ).
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So WiFi File Explorer outta work though if your other ftp type app did?
Thanks for the info. I remember using the app on my MacBook when I had the Xoom. I didn't mind it too much, but it was a tad annoying having to open the app rather than just pop open 'finder' and go. FWIW it DID work just fine for my couple months with the Xoom.
So WiFi File Explorer outta work though if your other ftp type app did?
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Yeah, FTP apps of all sorts work fine. I use Transmit on the Mac to access the phone via FTP, and that works like a charm.
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Thanks for the info. I remember using the app on my MacBook when I had the Xoom. I didn't mind it too much, but it was a tad annoying having to open the app rather than just pop open 'finder' and go. FWIW it DID work just fine for my couple months with the Xoom.
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It works fine to the internal storage. Maybe I should've said explicitly that I had more issues using the Android File Transfer app with the SD Card in the Xoom.
I'm glad Google gave this a thought, now they should make one for linux too, but they probably won't.
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iTunes (obviously) won't see it.
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My post is pointless, but hell will freeze over before iTunes recognizes a Samsung device, lol. If it wasn't for laws and standard, they wouldn't allow their PC to recognize Samsung devices either.
eksasol said:
I'm glad Google gave this a thought, now they should make one for linux too, but they probably won't.
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That's the nice part about Linux. The people working on Linux have an active incentive to add this functionality, as it improves the experience. With OS X, they have an active (marketing) reason to not add it, anti-competitive behavior. Don't give up hope
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It's unlikely that Apple will choose to support MTP in future versions of OS X (it's a Microsoft protocol now used mostly by Android), but hopefully Google will improve the tool as time goes on.
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It's a protocol native to the USB standard since 2008 so if Apple want to be standards compliant they should implement it. There are lots of other devices that use it as well.
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As far as I know, there's no way of enabling your Mac to see the device natively, and all of the software designed for other MTP devices that I've tried doesn't work.
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Those apps probably just need an update to libmtp.. for some reason that library has the device ID of every device it supports hardcoded in, rather than working out whether a device supports mtp in other ways as things like windows do.
If anyone has ported mtpfs to OSX you should be able to get that going (will probably do that myself when I get time.. Android File Transfer is OK but a bit quirky).
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It's a protocol native to the USB standard since 2008 so if Apple want to be standards compliant they should implement it. There are lots of other devices that use it as well.
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Trust me, I'm not defending it, but I can't imagine Apple in its current state implementing a change which would help in supporting a competitor's product (especially Android) just to be open and compliant. Given how willing Apple as a company is to cut off its nose to spite its face, I doubt that they'll rush to help their users here. Prove me wrong, Apple.
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Those apps probably just need an update to libmtp.. for some reason that library has the device ID of every device it supports hardcoded in, rather than working out whether a device supports mtp in other ways as things like windows do.
If anyone has ported mtpfs to OSX you should be able to get that going (will probably do that myself when I get time.. Android File Transfer is OK but a bit quirky).
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I've tried working with the existing mtpfs ports, but wasn't able to get very far at all. I'm hoping that ICS will spur people to develop further on that, maybe pulling it into MacFUSE.
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Trust me, I'm not defending it, but I can't imagine Apple in its current state implementing a change which would help in supporting a competitor's product (especially Android) just to be open and compliant. Given how willing Apple as a company is to cut off its nose to spite its face, I doubt that they'll rush to help their users here. Prove me wrong, Apple.
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You certainly have a point and is the primary reason I dispise Apple as a company.
My main point was that it's not to be considered a "Microsoft protocol" as it's been part of the USB standard for years now. Nothing is stopping any OS from implementing it and as a standard they really should as it brings some nice improvements like not requiring the OS on the PC to have support for the filesystem used on the device. Considering FAT32 and exFAT are basically the only filesystems that work in all major OSes, the former being old and having severe limitations and the latter requiring a license it's nice to be able to use something like ext2/3/4 or any other filesystem of choice and still maintain compability.
Apple hasn't typically been particularly resistant to implementing standards and protocols used to communicate with 3rd party devices. Also, the major force behind Apple's resistance to just about everything is gone now... We'll see if they continue the trend without him.
Just bumping this again for the new crop of ICS users
So I've just gotten my VZW Gnex, and unfortunately, Android file transfer seems to have the same problems with not refreshing the files in the folder as it did on the Xoom.
That said, if you're trying to get into a given folder and your Android File Transfer can't see the contents (or the folder itself), just reboot the phone and when it comes back up, the new folder should be there and right as rain.
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OS X won't see it, DoubleTwist doesn't see it, Songbird won't and iTunes (obviously) won't see it.
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If syncing with iTunes is your goal, you left out iSyncr. Our app can sync Android 3.0 and 4.0 devices with iTunes on a Mac over USB (and WiFi). If your Android device is supported by Android File Transfer, it is supported by iSyncr.
As always, you can shoot me an email if you are having an issue with this.
-Justin
I seem to be having a new issue. All of a sudden, I can't sync anything to my XOOM. I had to unlock, and re-unroot it to install ICS on it. I don't know why, but everytime I begin a transfer to my XOOM Android File Transfer instantly says that my my device is locked and I need unlock the screen and/or it can't access the media storage device. It's really frustrating. I can't push the SU.zip bc it gets lost in between the "Ext SD Card" and the "Internal SD Card." Long story short... my Xoom boots into ICS and runs perfectly fine, but I can't finish the root process. Any help?!
Android File Transfer supports files up to 4gb in size. This may be why you are having trouble transferring files that are 10 gb. At least this is the case in OS X Lion
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Hi all,
I've been using a HTC HD2 running WM 6.5 since 2009. I'm still happy with it but it becomes more and more obsolete for many things (no 4G, unable to browse "modern" website, no HTML email support etc.). Now i think about purchasing a Lumia 950 for WM 10. However, there're many functions that seems lost or deeply changed since 2009. I need a new phone for professionnal use. I don't need social networks, games or entertainment things (what Android do very well by the way).
1/ I use Outlook 2010 on Windows 7 and i need to sync all my calendar and contacts with no cloud at all for privacy reasons. I have no exchange server. I'd like to do this through Bluetooth as i do it everyday with WM6.5. This seems impossible nowadays! Even between Outlook desktop and Outlook mobile. This is a hudge regression to me. I'm still stuck with my old WM 6.5 mainly because of this. I've heard of a software called Akruto but it works with a USB cable (another regression). Plus, and i can't find any feedback about this software. Is it really cloudless or not... we don't know.
2/ I need to sync many files by keeping the original tree with folders, subfolders etc, with no cloud again, between my desktop and my mobile. And i need this data being crypted in AES in case I'd lose my phone or some people try to access it. For now with my HD2, i use FreeOTFE which crypts and mounts a drive with a letter (i.e : G: ) on the desktop from a file stored in the microSD card inside the phone. After that, i can sync the files with a special software on Windows 7. This software needs a letter to be mounted for working. But again, it seems the MTP protocol has become the standard, and it's not possible to get a letter with it... Another regression.
3/ I need visual notifications when there's a miss call, a voicemail or a new mail without sound pop-up and without having to turn on the smartphone screen . The LED was very useful but i disappeared too. It was replaced by the glance thing which looks interesting. Does it work with the Lumia 950? I've read the glance doesn't exist (or doesn't work well) with AMOLED screen. By the way, can you choose what kind of notification exactly you need? To avoid draining battery for not useful things.
4/ I've been using Tomtom for GPS for 10 years now. And i'm sad to discover it doesn't exist on WM. What good alternative would you recommand? With of course point of interest customing and lansdcape mode switching automatically. Or, would you think the method to make working Androids apps on WM10 would work with a GPS software?
5/ Does Google maps exist on WM10? I don't want any alternative, but the original one for many special reasons.
Thank you very much.
Lucius Snow said:
Hi all,
I've been using a HTC HD2 running WM 6.5 since 2009. I'm still happy with it but it becomes more and more obsolete for many things (no 4G, unable to browse "modern" website, no HTML email support etc.). Now i think about purchasing a Lumia 950 for WM 10. However, there're many functions that seems lost or deeply changed since 2009. I need a new phone for professionnal use. I don't need social networks, games or entertainment things (what Android do very well by the way).
1/ I use Outlook 2010 on Windows 7 and i need to sync all my calendar and contacts with no cloud at all for privacy reasons. I have no exchange server. I'd like to do this through Bluetooth as i do it everyday with WM6.5. This seems impossible nowadays! Even between Outlook desktop and Outlook mobile. This is a hudge regression to me. I'm still stuck with my old WM 6.5 mainly because of this. I've heard of a software called Akruto but it works with a USB cable (another regression). Plus, and i can't find any feedback about this software. Is it really cloudless or not... we don't know.
2/ I need to sync many files by keeping the original tree with folders, subfolders etc, with no cloud again, between my desktop and my mobile. And i need this data being crypted in AES in case I'd lose my phone or some people try to access it. For now with my HD2, i use FreeOTFE which crypts and mounts a drive with a letter (i.e : G: ) on the desktop from a file stored in the microSD card inside the phone. After that, i can sync the files with a special software on Windows 7. This software needs a letter to be mounted for working. But again, it seems the MTP protocol has become the standard, and it's not possible to get a letter with it... Another regression.
3/ I need visual notifications when there's a miss call, a voicemail or a new mail without sound pop-up and without having to turn on the smartphone screen . The LED was very useful but i disappeared too. It was replaced by the glance thing which looks interesting. Does it work with the Lumia 950? I've read the glance doesn't exist (or doesn't work well) with AMOLED screen. By the way, can you choose what kind of notification exactly you need? To avoid draining battery for not useful things.
4/ I've been using Tomtom for GPS for 10 years now. And i'm sad to discover it doesn't exist on WM. What good alternative would you recommand? With of course point of interest customing and lansdcape mode switching automatically. Or, would you think the method to make working Androids apps on WM10 would work with a GPS software?
5/ Does Google maps exist on WM10? I don't want any alternative, but the original one for many special reasons.
Thank you very much.
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First of all , this is a huge jump you have made!
but you should just jump in a figure it all for yourself, because there isnt any mobile OS out there that can meet your requirements unless you configure it specifically.
surya467 said:
First of all , this is a huge jump you have made!
but you should just jump in a figure it all for yourself, because there isnt any mobile OS out there that can meet your requirements unless you configure it specifically.
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Yes i know i need to configure it to avoid the all-cloud forced step. That's why I'm here.
1. there doesn't seem to be any way to sync your calendar and contacts through bluetooth, and i don't think it's possible with usb either, unless using some kind of 3rd party software.
2. windows 10 has build in encryption, i haven't used it yet, so i don't know what kind of encryption it uses. but i think if you copy your files over they will get encrypted. another way might be using interop unlock, which, if i'm right about this, enables you to mount the phone as usb storage and mount it as a folder in windows, but again, i haven't tried this either, so i don't know how this works.
3. as far as i know glance does work on the 950(xl), but you can only choose 5 apps to display their unread count, in addition to showing the time and date.
4/5. there's no google maps, most google apps aren't available for windows phone/10. there is the default maps app, which uses bing maps. this app has basic navigation possibilities.
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1. there doesn't seem to be any way to sync your calendar and contacts through bluetooth, and i don't think it's possible with usb either, unless using some kind of 3rd party software.
2. windows 10 has build in encryption, i haven't used it yet, so i don't know what kind of encryption it uses. but i think if you copy your files over they will get encrypted. another way might be using interop unlock, which, if i'm right about this, enables you to mount the phone as usb storage and mount it as a folder in windows, but again, i haven't tried this either, so i don't know how this works.
3. as far as i know glance does work on the 950(xl), but you can only choose 5 apps to display their unread count, in addition to showing the time and date.
4/5. there's no google maps, most google apps aren't available for windows phone/10. there is the default maps app, which uses bing maps. this app has basic navigation possibilities.
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Thank you. The Interop unlock the USB mass storage seems good news.
Hi,
ad3) I don't own a 950 but glance should work with the 950 (I can't posts links but if you google it or look it up on windowscentral you can find instructions how to set up glance on a 950 (XL) )
ad4/5) Build in maps are OK and also allow offline navigation.