Related
My wife and I each purchased Tilt2's earlier this week. We both come from Windows Mobile 6.1 phones and are generally happy with WinMo products and comfortable with tweaking them.
We're both having some trouble with the Tilt2 and I'm hoping that someone here might be able to help.
1) Bluetooth sound quality - we each use Bluetooth headsets and have noticed lots of crackling unless the phone is turned with the back facing the headset. This didn't happen with our previous phones (same headsets) unless we got 15-20 feet away from the phone.
2) Dropped calls - I've noticed a ton of dropped calls when I'm talking on the phone and driving along my normal work commute. There are 1-2 holes along the route where my previous phone would drop, but this one drops 5-6 times. I found these radio updates in the ROM forum. Would that help?
3) General performance - The phone seems a little bit laggy and slow to react. Nothing like what we saw in demo videos on sites like wmexperts.com. My wife even reports that hers has completely locked up on her before. And I've noticed a severe lag waiting for the phone to come back after I've flipped the keyboard out. I assume that installing a custom ROM would help with this as it's helped on previous phones we've owned. However, there isn't a 100% working AT&T ROM to revert to yet (only one that appears to work is missing radio and bootsplash at this point) in case the custom ROM doesn't perform better, so I'm a little leary of doing it. Should I be worried? Or will the custom ROMs here help get rid of the lagginess.
4) Switching to landscape mode - My wife told me that her phone isn't always switching to landscape mode. She doesn't have any apps installed yet so I'm assuming it's in all of the default screens. Should everything work in landscape mode?
Thanks in advance!
e_dogg said:
My wife and I each purchased Tilt2's earlier this week. We both come from Windows Mobile 6.1 phones and are generally happy with WinMo products and comfortable with tweaking them.
We're both having some trouble with the Tilt2 and I'm hoping that someone here might be able to help.
1) Bluetooth sound quality - we each use Bluetooth headsets and have noticed lots of crackling unless the phone is turned with the back facing the headset. This didn't happen with our previous phones (same headsets) unless we got 15-20 feet away from the phone.
2) Dropped calls - I've noticed a ton of dropped calls when I'm talking on the phone and driving along my normal work commute. There are 1-2 holes along the route where my previous phone would drop, but this one drops 5-6 times. I found these radio updates in the ROM forum. Would that help?
3) General performance - The phone seems a little bit laggy and slow to react. Nothing like what we saw in demo videos on sites like wmexperts.com. My wife even reports that hers has completely locked up on her before. And I've noticed a severe lag waiting for the phone to come back after I've flipped the keyboard out. I assume that installing a custom ROM would help with this as it's helped on previous phones we've owned. However, there isn't a 100% working AT&T ROM to revert to yet (only one that appears to work is missing radio and bootsplash at this point) in case the custom ROM doesn't perform better, so I'm a little leary of doing it. Should I be worried? Or will the custom ROMs here help get rid of the lagginess.
4) Switching to landscape mode - My wife told me that her phone isn't always switching to landscape mode. She doesn't have any apps installed yet so I'm assuming it's in all of the default screens. Should everything work in landscape mode?
Thanks in advance!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As for #4: Not all programs have a landscape mode natively.
jlczl said:
As for #4: Not all programs have a landscape mode natively.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. I figured that she might be using an app that doesn't work in landscape since I haven't come across it yet.
Also, regarding #2, I should have mentioned that I have 4.48.25.20 as my current radio.
1) I use Jabra 2nd gen and mine is working great. A little crackling sound but nothing major.
2) Depend on the area you live and coverage, you might want to try different radio. I have stock radio and mine is working great. Better than my fuze was actually. I can get 1 or more bar than Fuze and call quality is super clear. No drop calls yet while I had like 2-3 drop calls with my fuze.
3) I am still running on stock rom and yes indeed it's slow and sluggish. I have to reset the phone physically sometimes. I am not too happy about moving the battery cover just to reset as well. With custom rom, the phone will be snappy since some people are running custom rom with their Tilt2 already. I am in the same boat as you. Waiting for the complete stock rom dump. Until then.
4) Not all the landscape work as you have already found out.
I use a BlueAnt and my BT reception is good.
I thought mine was slow at first but as I tweaked it a bit, turning off alerts and pop ups, it SEEMS to be more of what I expected.
Haven't had a dropped call issue.
But, I am thinking that I will flash the ROM when something comes along.
Thanks for the replies.
FWIW, my wife uses a Jawbone 2 and the crackling is noticable on both ends of the call. I use a first-gen Jawbone and have nocticed the crackling as well. It seems that it works better when the phone is on the same side of my body as the headset. I did not notice this crackling on my Dash and Blackjack 2 nor her Dash.
I think the dropped calls problem is definitely area related. My wife is currently out of town and it hasn't dropped her calls at all that I know of. And when I'm at home, it's no problem. It's just that on my regular commute, it drops 5-6 times where my previous Dash and Blackjack 2 only dropped once or twice occasionally. I've only made my commute once since I got the Tilt2, so maybe there were some coincidental network issues. That said, call quality has been very good.
I just turned off the new SMS notifications. I've also removed a couple of tabs that I know I'm never going to use (stocks, AT&T, and music) at that seems to have made things a little snappier too.
HAH! Not more than 1-2 minutes after I posted my last message (from my laptop), I went to use the internet connection on my Tilt2 and it locked up. A message appeared asking if I wanted to send error details to MS and then my phone turned off.
Another thing I've noticed is that Opera takes a *really* long time to switch from landscape to portrait. And it seems to be significantly slower than Opera Mini was on my Dash and Blackjack 2. Maybe because Opera Mini is Java-based on those platforms?
My wife is now reporting that her Tilt2 won't unlock unless she slides open the keyboard. Her Exchange connection requires the phone to automatically lock and require a PIN entry. I suggested tapping the power button but that doesn't wake it up, either.
Any suggestions? I'm thinking she might have a bum unit since mine isn't having nearly the trouble hers is.
As far as the lockups, I think there was a thread somewhere about that. Mine doesn't actually lock up but it hangs horribly. Give it 5min or so and it figures itself out, usually involves opening the keyboard at the same time it is launching something, sms in my case.
Suggestion? Hard reset hers and if it continues swap it out.
SoapDoctor said:
As far as the lockups, I think there was a thread somewhere about that. Mine doesn't actually lock up but it hangs horribly. Give it 5min or so and it figures itself out, usually involves opening the keyboard at the same time it is launching something, sms in my case.
Suggestion? Hard reset hers and if it continues swap it out.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, she's out of town right now so I actually haven't seen the things she's complaining about first-hand (except for a couple of things that have happened on mine too).
I'll send her instructions for a hard reset and see if she's adventurous enough to try it on her own. The AT&T store near where she's at is exceptionally good - they really know Windows Mobile there and were a big help in getting the phone initially set up. So, worst case, she can go there and have them do it.
e_dogg said:
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, she's out of town right now so I actually haven't seen the things she's complaining about first-hand (except for a couple of things that have happened on mine too).
I'll send her instructions for a hard reset and see if she's adventurous enough to try it on her own. The AT&T store near where she's at is exceptionally good - they really know Windows Mobile there and were a big help in getting the phone initially set up. So, worst case, she can go there and have them do it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't run to fast with my advice, I'm a complete noob but hard reset would be the first thing I would try. It is a microsoft product after all and I'm pretty dman lazy to run to the store first.
FWIW- I have a Jawbone 2 and have cracking in the audio. Had it with my Fuze also and have always wondered if it was the headset or phone. I don't think I could keep my fuze in the holster because of the crackling.
I have some slight performance issues, but it's not to bad. Seems mostly relating to minimizing a program and starting a new one.
I have a strange problem with the TF3D photo tab. It's slow to get the image clear. I select an image and then try to scroll through them. It hangs on one, then flips it's orientation (I haven't moved the phone though). Anyone else have issues with the photo tab?
e_dogg said:
My wife and I each purchased Tilt2's earlier this week. We both come from Windows Mobile 6.1 phones and are generally happy with WinMo products and comfortable with tweaking them.
We're both having some trouble with the Tilt2 and I'm hoping that someone here might be able to help.
3) General performance - The phone seems a little bit laggy and slow to react. Nothing like what we saw in demo videos on sites like wmexperts.com. My wife even reports that hers has completely locked up on her before. And I've noticed a severe lag waiting for the phone to come back after I've flipped the keyboard out. I assume that installing a custom ROM would help with this as it's helped on previous phones we've owned. However, there isn't a 100% working AT&T ROM to revert to yet (only one that appears to work is missing radio and bootsplash at this point) in case the custom ROM doesn't perform better, so I'm a little leary of doing it. Should I be worried? Or will the custom ROMs here help get rid of the lagginess.
4) Switching to landscape mode - My wife told me that her phone isn't always switching to landscape mode. She doesn't have any apps installed yet so I'm assuming it's in all of the default screens. Should everything work in landscape mode?
Thanks in advance!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
#3 I am running NRG ROM Photon date 10/17 and it is insane on my tilt 2. No radio change either. Stupid fast, eye candy, and never a dropped call or sluggish issues. Link below (5k plus thread, really read the first page to see the versions and Faq's)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553506
I'd like to add that I'm also having some issues with sound and response time.
My phone starts fresh with about 65% of resources used up. After regular phone/contacts usage for an hour I'm at around 70% and after Opera, the phone is done. I can browse or use file explorer or music but there goes the multi-tasking.
I haven't flashed a ROM yet. I just wanted to see what AT&T did with this thing 1st.
One more thing, why did they switch the FN and Shift keys? My brain is having a hard time getting used to it, especially when the shortcuts that require the Fn key are on the bottom row.
I can't really help you out too much, but I haven't been experiencing many of these problems at all, and I'm still on the stock rom, just cleaned it up a bit. Spend some time on the forums and you'll find some good quick hacks to try before you try a new rom.
superrrguy said:
I'd like to add that I'm also having some issues with sound and response time.
My phone starts fresh with about 65% of resources used up. After regular phone/contacts usage for an hour I'm at around 70% and after Opera, the phone is done. I can browse or use file explorer or music but there goes the multi-tasking.
I haven't flashed a ROM yet. I just wanted to see what AT&T did with this thing 1st.
One more thing, why did they switch the FN and Shift keys? My brain is having a hard time getting used to it, especially when the shortcuts that require the Fn key are on the bottom row.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Touch FLO 3D uses up quite a bit of RAM. I unloaded it and restarted, and my phone is down from 65% to 49%. Unfortunately, I'm kind of liking Touch FLO 3D
Linear2202 said:
FWIW- I have a Jawbone 2 and have cracking in the audio. Had it with my Fuze also and have always wondered if it was the headset or phone. I don't think I could keep my fuze in the holster because of the crackling.
I have some slight performance issues, but it's not to bad. Seems mostly relating to minimizing a program and starting a new one.
I have a strange problem with the TF3D photo tab. It's slow to get the image clear. I select an image and then try to scroll through them. It hangs on one, then flips it's orientation (I haven't moved the phone though). Anyone else have issues with the photo tab?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good info about your Jawbone issues. I have an old Plantronics headset that I'm not really using anymore. Maybe I'll give that one a try to see if it's just that Jawbones don't like these new versions of HTC phones (it worked great on her Dash).
As for the photos tab, it seems to work ok. Though the first "flip" through the pictures seems to be slower than subsequent flips.
I found that hiding tabs I won't be using like the "AT&T" tab seems to help speed things up. I think I have 3 or 4 hidden.
amurch said:
#3 I am running NRG ROM Photon date 10/17 and it is insane on my tilt 2. No radio change either. Stupid fast, eye candy, and never a dropped call or sluggish issues. Link below (5k plus thread, really read the first page to see the versions and Faq's)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553506
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks - good to hear of your sucess with the NRG ROM. That's the one I'm planning on trying since I really like the 6.5.1 changes.
redpoint73 said:
Touch FLO 3D uses up quite a bit of RAM. I unloaded it and restarted, and my phone is down from 65% to 49%. Unfortunately, I'm kind of liking Touch FLO 3D
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, Touch FLO 3D sure is purty. And, now that I have the tabs sorted and hidden the way I like, it's very easy to use.
Just an update...the Energy ROM seems to have cured the dropped calls. With the stock AT&T ROM, calls dropped about 5-6 times on my regular commute. With the Energy ROM, not a single one!
Something that has happened to me now a few times...I get a call on the phone. Caller ID and picture show up fine. Screen turns off..later i turn the screen on and the phone number is not accurate any longer and the picture is gone..
Anyone had this happen to them?
Linear2202 said:
Something that has happened to me now a few times...I get a call on the phone. Caller ID and picture show up fine. Screen turns off..later i turn the screen on and the phone number is not accurate any longer and the picture is gone..
Anyone had this happen to them?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep - happened quite often with the stock AT&T ROM. I don't recall seeing it after switching to the Energy ROM.
Hello all, First, I searched the forums for my answer with no such luck, that being said if Im repeating a question thats been asked I apologize. I have a problem with keeping android stable. I have flashed with different versions of windows several times all with success. I do however, prefer the android system, I find that it runs much better, faster and has better perks. Everytime I flash following the original how to, I run in to a couple similar problems.
The first is when I hit the power (not hold the power) the back light cuts off and the keyguard enables, the screen goes dark all as it should. Depending on the time ( the longer it is the worse it is) when I hit the power key to revive my phone, I often get a white screen, then it waits , then it goes dim, Sometimes If I hit the power button several times it eventually comes back to the key guard option, but others I have to remove the battery and reboot. This is the major problem, as I cant use my phone when I need it. This problem seems to get worse the farther it gets away from the flash date, e.g..,, after a brand new flash it works pretty good and then it goes downhill from there.
Second, it seems to lock up when I let it charge overnight, not always (but most of the time) I get up, click the power button to revive the phone and I have a white screen before me that is frozen solid. This like the previous problem seems to be linked to the distance from the last flash.
I hope that its something Im doing wrong, as Im currently using wmobile 6.5 and since Ive had a taste of the droid os, my wm phone is just disappointing. And as I was unsuccessful in finding a post that adequately describes my problem ,Im hoping that there is a way around this .
I have tried, Incubus Superfroyo, Wrym warm donut, and Cyanogens build. Im sure Ive tried others, they just escape me, I was re-flashing daily until I went back to windows. I truly hope someone out there has encountered what I have and has a solution. thank you all for what you do, these forums have been extremely valuable and helpful.
Sounds like you have the wrong panel type selected. Is it set to auto? if it is, try setting it to 2 instead. That cleared up the problem for me.
Tried all panels all have the same problem.
Well thanks for all the many replies. I give Ive tried everything on this site and m android is still really glitchy. Guess it will be windows until I get perhaps a phone capable of running android smoothly.
What kind of phone do you have?
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App
do you have an SD card you can try to boot from and share your settings?
What we need to know is which kernel you're using, or an image of the kernel you currently have. Also, we need to know which radio version you're using, as this can have detremental effects on stability as well.
Personally, I have been using radio version 1.70.19.09, which seems to be the most stable with kernel .25 IMHO.
I have also "personalized" ThoughtlessKyle's "Fat-Free Froyo", adding/removing apps that I need or don't use respectively (navigation, QQPlayer, Pandora, etc.).
Currently, I think I might be one of the only people not experiencing any issues with this phone running Android 2.2.1. I do get the occasional "hang" (I wait for it to finish what it's doing instead of force close), but that usually has something to do with network coverage or an app requesting something from an unopened port.
Old phone, new OS and runs smooth as could be expected.
Next for me will be the HTC HD2 (if I get one at the right price, the tilt was free)...
I know, I know that MANY PEOPLE THINK OF THE WAKE UP WHITE JIBBERISH SCREEN as NEVER WORKING.
PoXFreak said:
What we need to know is which kernel you're using, or an image of the kernel you currently have. Also, we need to know which radio version you're using, as this can have detremental effects on stability as well.
Personally, I have been using radio version 1.70.19.09, which seems to be the most stable with kernel .25 IMHO.
I have also "personalized" ThoughtlessKyle's "Fat-Free Froyo", adding/removing apps that I need or don't use respectively (navigation, QQPlayer, Pandora, etc.).
Currently, I think I might be one of the only people not experiencing any issues with this phone running Android 2.2.1. I do get the occasional "hang" (I wait for it to finish what it's doing instead of force close), but that usually has something to do with network coverage or an app requesting something from an unopened port.
Old phone, new OS and runs smooth as could be expected.
Next for me will be the HTC HD2 (if I get one at the right price, the tilt was free)...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ill try that combination and post my results. The latest I tried was
Scoot CyanogenMod 6.1.2 RLS6 with 2.6.32 still no joy, white screen crashes and hang ups. and it seems progressively worse the longer the rom is on the phone. To whomever asked what phone I have, its the at&t tilt II
srlebonv said:
Ill try that combination and post my results. The latest I tried was
Scoot CyanogenMod 6.1.2 RLS6 with 2.6.32 still no joy, white screen crashes and hang ups. and it seems progressively worse the longer the rom is on the phone. To whomever asked what phone I have, its the at&t tilt II
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can't help you regarding panel selection but, please have Radio ROM version 1.65 or higher. And do give my fresh foryo a go with 2.6.25 kernel (everything is there in the thread on how to use it with 2.6.25 kernel).
the WHITE GLITCHY SCREEN IS THE PROBLEM WITH ANDROID DRIVERS. Install with Data on SD Card often causes lockups / force closes.
I am using panel type 1 and white glitchy screen stays for like half of a second and next moment I get a nice clean keylock screen. I don't know but its like 20th time I am explaining the problem related to LCD
Change Panel Type, Get a compatible Radio version (1.65.x or HIGHER)
You say that often install with data on the sd card causes lock ups and freezes. Can you explain further what you mean ?
dark_prince said:
I can't help you regarding panel selection but, please have Radio ROM version 1.65 or higher. And do give my fresh foryo a go with 2.6.25 kernel (everything is there in the thread on how to use it with 2.6.25 kernel).
the WHITE GLITCHY SCREEN IS THE PROBLEM WITH ANDROID DRIVERS. Install with Data on SD Card often causes lockups / force closes.
I am using panel type 1 and white glitchy screen stays for like half of a second and next moment I get a nice clean keylock screen. I don't know but its like 20th time I am explaining the problem related to LCD
Change Panel Type, Get a compatible Radio version (1.65.x or HIGHER)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok, so I installed your version of froyo, the accompanying 2.6.25, the radio that you use. For the most part the hanging up is fixed. Now the second problem is still in place. Sometimes when Its been in hibernation(or whatever you would call when you hit the power button once ) when I attempt to refresh my phone (hitting the power button once) nothing happens, the green light is still blinking at the top but the screen stays blank, normally have to remove the battery and restart to get back to using the phone. Is this a sleep setting? or is this something Ive done wrong during the installation.
Does anyone else have issues with the WiFi connection while the screen is turned off? I noticed that not a single one of my music streaming / radio apps work when the screen isn't on. It works for maybe a minute before all sound just stops. Starts just fine again once I power up the screen.
Has there been any changes done to the handling of these matters in ICS perhaps?
Pretty annoying not being able to stream music over WiFi as I think I'll hit my 5GB limit on data pretty fast if I can't use the WiFi at work for this.
So has anyone else noticed these issues?
SBS_ said:
Does anyone else have issues with the WiFi connection while the screen is turned off? I noticed that not a single one of my music streaming / radio apps work when the screen isn't on. It works for maybe a minute before all sound just stops. Starts just fine again once I power up the screen.
Has there been any changes done to the handling of these matters in ICS perhaps?
Pretty annoying not being able to stream music over WiFi as I think I'll hit my 5GB limit on data pretty fast if I can't use the WiFi at work for this.
So has anyone else noticed these issues?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah same here. I remember this being an issue with Android 2.1 for my Desire but was fixed in custom roms. Might be the same situation here again.
I remember this being an issue with my Nexus One, don't remember if it was fixed in 2.2 or 2.3. I remember testing file transfer using SwiFTP, with the bug the file transfer would go down to double digits (kB/sec), with the bug fix it would be a few hundred kB/sec, with the screen on it would hit mB/sec or so (in any Android version).
I believe this is the official issue:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9781
With my Nexus S I'm not experiencing this bug. Sscreen on still gives me a major wifi speed boost, but screen off I get a few hundred kB/sec, which should be more than enough for any streaming app. KiloBYTES btw, not bits. I'm surprised ICS and/or Galaxy Nexus brought this problem back. Or it could be something else entirely.
Are you connected via 2.4GHz or 5GHz wifi? I would think the new 5GHz radio in the GN probably has more aggressive power saving features. Try switching to 802.11b/g (instead of 802.11n, in any frequency), see if it helps.
Have you changed your WIFI sleep policy?
On my Froyo phone, if you hit menu while in the WIFI settings (I know there is no menu in ICS) you get an option to go into advanced settings where you have the option to choose your WiFi sleep policy (When screen turns off, never when plugged in, never).
There should be a way to access that advanced settings area somewhere.. My phone is a couple hundred miles away right now and I won't see it for another week so I can't be of much further help right now. However, there "was" a setting in previous versions.
best info at the time last year was here for the N1
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=01a47ff5b0a92d52&hl=en
7xx replies there to read, but really good info. somewhere in there, maybe around#600 the info gets good, can't remember. But shortly around this time the problem was gone/fixed.
there was a guy with an app i think it was wifi fixer, i could be wrong. that worked sometimes, but battery drain was bad. Whatever google, or CM did fixed the low power save mode issue. I'm thinking it was something at the kernel level?
edit, on second thought, there's no good reason to read all that. You won't get a fix out of it anyway. It was updated away in the end, something related to MAC addresses and build numbers and frf50 or some such.
BUT this seems like the same kind of thing going on in the power save mode.
Have you checked your advanced settings?
Wi-Fi>>(settings [bottom right])>>Advanced>>Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep...
Mine was set to always by default, so I suspect that the issue lies else where...
Neville.Holland said:
Have you checked your advanced settings?
Wi-Fi>>(settings [bottom right])>>Advanced>>Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep...
Mine was set to always by default, so I suspect that the issue lies else where...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same here. Mine was set to always by default but still getting this issue.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
I would suggest that this issue is related to the individual applications you are using, rather than anything to do with Android.
I am able to stream music from Google Music via WiFi just fine when the screen is off, and I am also able to talk to someone on Skype via WiFi just fine when the screen is off.
oscillik said:
I would suggest that this issue is related to the individual applications you are using, rather than anything to do with Android.
I am able to stream music from Google Music via WiFi just fine when the screen is off, and I am also able to talk to someone on Skype via WiFi just fine when the screen is off.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for posting that; I was getting pretty worried and disappointed after reading this thread. I had to deal with this when I first got my Nexus One, until Google released the 2.2.1 update with a new Broadcom driver which finally fixed the issue. No streaming, no pushes, just nothing at all from wifi when the phone went to sleep. All traffic to/from the phone would just stop. It was maddening.
The Galaxy Nexus comes to Canada a week from today, and this would've been a show-stopper for me. At least it's working for you, so my day isn't ruined quite yet
Has this issue ever been nailed down? I've seen considerable discussion on it going back years. I've seen considerable speculation regarding WIFI mode and Governor. I've seem many of the bug reports marked closed.
Yet I have a GN on v4.0.4 and the moment the screen goes off - either because you turn it off or it just times out - the WIFI goes to h*ll. I've run ping and network trace from both sides and there is no doubt the WIFI stays connected, however latency goes way up and packets are lost... and with TCP connections it gets congested with retransmits. I've run with the governor set to "Performance" and there is no difference.
So, is there any consensus on what is causing this problem with current stock hardware/software?
I read that it's something that's been coded in for a while. Try using this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ratcash.wifiperf
-Sent via XDA Premium-
Ok, to answer my own question, this is still related to the PSP issue from years ago:
code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9781
code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15549
Bottom line is that some hardware - like GN - has an additional level of PSP on WIFI. The issue was resolved by inclusion of an additional lock mode - WIFI_MODE_FULL_HIGH_PERF - some time ago. However, its up to an application to request the new lock state if it thinks it needs it. Many don't.
So, its probably not a bad idea to contact developers of the various applications and recommend they look into the new lock level in the later APIs.
Also, the "WIFI High Performance Widget" can be used to manually hold a WIFI_MODE_FULL_HIGH_PERF lock on the WIFI if you're dealing with an application that isn't doing it its self. Beware of the other "WIFI fixes" out there, none of the ones I tested were acquiring the correct lock.
Also, from an adb shell you can use "dumpsys wifi" to see who is holding what lock, for example:
Code:
Locks acquired: 5 full, 5 full high perf, 5 scan
Locks released: 4 full, 4 full high perf, 5 scan
Locks held:
WifiLock{PANDORA type=1 [email protected]}
WifiLock{HighPerformance type=3 [email protected]}
Here you can see Pandora is only holding type=1 (WIFI_MODE_FULL) and HighPerformance is holding type=3 (WIFI_MODE_FULL_HIGH_PERF). Dumping the WIFI state takes the guess work out of it.
Tried that widget, having absolutely no luck with 'in tune' and 'winamp' for radio with the galaxy nexus verizon...
as soon as the device sleeps, wifi goes to hell and buffer drops in and out every 2 seconds. Completely unusable, any recent fixes? this is totally making me think I just bought a $400 brick since this feature was very important for me.
What may be confusing about that widget is that it is a "widget". You have to locate it under "widgets" and then put it on the surface and then click it to enable it... it should be blue when on, and black when its not.
tlum said:
What may be confusing about that widget is that it is a "widget". You have to locate it under "widgets" and then put it on the surface and then click it to enable it... it should be blue when on, and black when its not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have been trying to put the 'widget' itself (2x2 square) on the home screen but even if i hold and drag it to where I want it, it never actually appears on the screen. And of course i'm still getting crazy ping times...Does anyone else have this working on a GN (verizon - not that it should make a difference)?
I have found a few workarounds to this issue, none are great and frustrate me greatly.
1. Root and use the franco kernel. Seems people with that have no issues - since you can set? the wifi to full performance.
2. Use this wifi performance widget
3. Use an app that has properly set its own wifi settings. - Going through all the radio apps on the google market, i am finding only one app that seems to be doing this right: DI Radio - some kind of dance/techno/etc - confirmed it with ping times, they remain low on sleep.
Not one other radio app seems to have set 'proper' settings - which shows that something needs to be addressed in the os...I was having good luck with the yahoo music app, but depended on the stream (maybe some buffer more :dunno - the ping results are garbage.
EDIT: I tried installing high performance wifi again, and finally got the widget to one of the homescreens! Let me break it down for anyone else who comes across this. After install, the small 1x1 blue app box is put on your desktop and the black screen comes up with the wireless networks and a checkbox. I then went to apps->widgets and tried putting the 2x2 widget on the home screen again, and like always it clicks on like its there (and when you click home and its never there). However, this time I hit BACK instead of home after dropping the widget and it took me back to the black screen with the checkbox, then i hit home and voila its sitting there. You can click on it like you mentioned! Confirmed with ping for tune in...pings remain low.
If this continues to work, it may be a godsend. It is annoying having to have this, but far far better than not.
I had that problem also especially when i tried to download big files when the screen turn off the download speed became extremely slow, this widget solve this, i think to that moment its the easiest solution tap it when you need it tap it again when you done.
By the way i had this problems with franko kernel also and again to my opinion it is the good solution for now, until the apps developers update their apps.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
If you download the SDK - you only need Android SDK Platform-tools - to a PC and use the adb shell it is easy to dump the WiFi lock state with dumpsys wifi and see exactly which app(s) are holding what locks. Completely takes all of the guessing out of who is doing what when. Judging the behavior can be subjective because there are other reasons that the WiFi can break up which can be very frustrating.
developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html
Erlang2012 said:
I had that problem also especially when i tried to download big files when the screen turn off the download speed became extremely slow, this widget solve this, i think to that moment its the easiest solution tap it when you need it tap it again when you done.
By the way i had this problems with franko kernel also and again to my opinion it is the good solution for now, until the apps developers update their apps.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The app does work well, however I have been running into some issues as I continue to use it. It randomly decides to turn off the forced max wifi (even though its still blue and looks like its operating) or perhaps the phone is forcing the wifi issue again. It seems to happen when you are downloading, playing with some other apps? You only notice it when you sleep it and the streaming radio immediately starts having issues.
Solution is to flip back to the widget turn it off and turn it on again. It works, but is another annoyance.
I haven't yet ascertained exactly what causes it to switch off yet.
tlum said:
If you download the SDK - you only need Android SDK Platform-tools - to a PC and use the adb shell it is easy to dump the WiFi lock state with dumpsys wifi and see exactly which app(s) are holding what locks. Completely takes all of the guessing out of who is doing what when. Judging the behavior can be subjective because there are other reasons that the WiFi can break up which can be very frustrating.
developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I will look into this, thank you.
---------- Post added at 06:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:28 PM ----------
I used the adb shell (learned how to install all these dev tools and how to use it first ) and here is some updated info:
Tunein = type=1
Pandora = type=1
Audioaddict service (Digitally imported app I posted above previously) = type=3
google music = type=3
High performance app = type=3 (havent figured out why this likes to stop randomly)
I will update with more app info, hopefully others can also email the developers and see that it gets fixed, so we no longer have to use damn workarounds...
jeep364 said:
... It randomly decides to turn off the forced max wifi (even though its still blue and looks like its operating)...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, it definitely has an issue holding its lock, and it definitely seems related to another application taking over and also when it switches to cell and back, I can confirm that. It may be related to the OS since the widget thinks it still on when clearly the lock as been released, so it may be that the OS released the lock and the widget has no idea. I haven't taken the time to look into the details yet, and this is something we should make the developer aware of.
tlum said:
Yes, it definitely has an issue holding its lock, and it definitely seems related to another application taking over and also when it switches to cell and back, I can confirm that. It may be related to the OS since the widget thinks it still on when clearly the lock as been released, so it may be that the OS released the lock and the widget has no idea. I haven't taken the time to look into the details yet, and this is something we should make the developer aware of.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yup, from what I can see it loses lock:
1. when cell switching
2. manually killing/starting wifi
3. when ANY application is downloaded/removed (ie. changes in permissions)
4. when playing with dolphin, other apps for more than a few minutes, it will kill it even though the blue stays lit. I think its as you mentioned, during general use of the phone, at some point some permissions are changed and hifi performance is tossed off its lock.
If you only are streaming music and re enter the phone to check a gmail alert or two...it seems to be fine. otherwise you need to hit the lock widget one more time before sending it to sleep with pandora/tune in playing.
Hey all.
I've been testing for a few weeks now, on both my recalled note 7 and my replacement and wondered whether anyone encounters the following issues. Think it could be software related bug or sorts. Definitely not hardware.
Sometimes the quick settings toggles can become unresponsive ( will work after a few presses) including the settings cog. I found this to happen mostly if the screen res is changed to QHD and the font set to small. With medium size font all works great.
Although, IF I reboot after I make any display changes, everything will work fine. I've found messing with the font settings and resolution can make the bug appear. I could pull the drop down and press the settings cog, it may or may not respond after the first press.
Now. If I set the screen res to just FULL HD with any size font, big or small every icon/setting/toggle WILL respond immediately, whether I reboot after making the changes or not.
Don't get me wrong, my phone runs GREAT (Touch wood). Just wondering whether anyone else experiences or takes notice of these things?
no, nothing simmilar here, althoug I dont like to play with resolutions, as they scrammble things around
I'm having the same problem though I must add I haven't been fiddling with the resolution or display settings. It is always at QHD.
kEvinErd said:
I'm having the same problem though I must add I haven't been fiddling with the resolution or display settings. It is always at QHD.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've still been testing it, it defo seems to be a random software bug. The Layout boundries option in developer settings also shows how tight the lines are around some icons.
The glass and temperature may play a part in touch sensitivity also. I've cleared cache from recovery and seems to have temporarily solved the issue. Can be fixed I reckon by re-introduced the increase sensitivity option for gloves etc...
I have had this a couple of times. Never changed the resloution.
Same. Also in addition of this, my replacement runs warm idling and quite hot while loading. The whole system seems quite snappy but sluggish. My hope for Samsung is gradually vaporizing...
Just wanted to start a thread to discuss this device. For those not familiar with it, it's a very inexpensive 11.6" laptop that runs RemixOS 2.0 from the factory. It does NOT have a touchscreen and the display is a low resolution (1366x768) TN panel display. The CPU is an Allwinner A64 Cortex A53 quad-core 64-bit processor.
The device I purchased (via their Kickstarter campaign) has 2gb RAM and 32gb storage - and it costs me $89.
Some interesting things I've found so far...
1. To disable the damn "click" sound every time you select something (via the touchpad or a mouse), download the QuickShortcutMaker application from the play store. Then expand the Settings items under the Activities section and find the "Other Sounds" activity. Once you click on the Other Sounds activity, click on "Try" on the right-hand side - this will open the "Other Sounds" dialog where you disable "Touch Sounds"! You can also disable some other sounds here. No idea why Remix doesn't allow access to these sound options. Explore the other Settings activities - there are some other cool things you can do. I also used this app to create "Shortcuts" to specific forums in Tapatalk (something that you do via widgets in standard Android). This QuickShortcutMaker app is pretty damn useful on this device!
2. I've found that I was able to connect my Apple USB->Ethernet adapter to this device and it works! However, it doesn't seem to work with ALL apps. For example, Tapatalk doesn't work with it for some reason - but so far, every other app has worked. You can also access ethernet settings via the QuickShortcutMaker app mentioned above.
3. Enable "Experimental Features" by clicking on the "Kernel Version" section of Settings->About. Once you do this, enable the "Use mouse wheel to simulate swipe gesture". This allows you to zoom in and out of things like web pages, images, etc. To do this, hold down CTRL+ALT while moving the mouse wheel. Apparently, the touchpad on this device does NOT provide pinch-to-zoom functionality, so without this setting, there is no way to zoom in and out in most apps! Kind of a big issue! Unless there is another way that I just don't know about. I know you can CTRL- and CTRL+ to zoom in and out in web pages, but that really just increases the size of the text - not really a true zoom in/out.
4. Gmail app. If you open the Gmail app as a window, you don't get the "split-screen" that you get if you open the app in full screen. But if you open in as a full-screen window and then "restore" it to a smaller window, the split-sceen function still works. I usually just leave Gmail minimized in order to keep the split-screen function active for Gmail.
5. Sometimes, the screen comes back on if you put the device into standby with the power button and then close the lid. I haven't been able to find the exact circumstances where the screen comes back on when closed, but it seems that when it does come on when it's closed, it stays on! Need to figure out why this occurs..
6. Bottom of device gets REALLY hot after any extended use. May be a long-term issue...
7. By default, wifi is set to turn off when in standby (unlike tablets) - unless the device is plugged in - then wifi will stay on. This can all be changed under Settings->Wifi->Advanced. I actually set mine to always turn wifi off when in standby since it seems that the device doesn't actually work while in standby anyway (again, unlike tablets). May help avoid wifi failure over the long-term.
8. I have run into websites (such as microcenter.com) where when you open a drop-down list, there is no way to "scroll" the list if it goes off the screen. To see what I mean, go to microcenter.com and try to set the store location - it opens a drop-down list that goes off the screen and there is no way to scroll down in the list! The "work-around" is to use the down arrow key, but it doesn't work very well (web page wants to update every time you press the down arrow)....
That's about it off the top of my head... It's a shame that this device cannot upgrade to RemixOS 3.0, like was stated in the kickstarted campaign (and later "retracted").
Anyone know how to root this thing?
It's an interesting device for the cost, but what I *really* want is a similar, large'ish device with a higher-quality, higher-resolution touchscreen that is removable from the keyboard - with at least 2gb of RAM (10" and 1gb of RAM isn't enough for RemixOS!) and runs RemixOS 3.0 - so far, I can't seem to find such a device...
Sent from my A1160 using Tapatalk
I got the same model 2GB w/32GB storage. Do you or anyone know how to get it to charge and or power on. Mine only worked for 2 days, now nothing. I contacted Azpen over a week ago about it and still haven't heard from them. Please help.
Cerealius said:
I got the same model 2GB w/32GB storage. Do you or anyone know how to get it to charge and or power on. Mine only worked for 2 days, now nothing. I contacted Azpen over a week ago about it and still haven't heard from them. Please help.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just plugged mine in and it charged fine (blue LED next to charging port turns on when charging and turns off when fully charged).
To turn mine on, I just held down the power button on the keyboard for a while... You can also fully power it off that way as well (if it gets hung or something, which I have managed to do a few times now).
I've *really* put this thing through it's paces over the last few days. Overall, it's a decent device for the price. Personally, I'd rather spend a little more for one with a better, higher-res, removable touchscreen though.
I also have a HP Slatebook 10 x2 - and it's a great device, but stuck on Android 4. Otherwise, it has a MUCH nicer, removable touchscreen and even an extra battery in the keyboard (that charges the tablet when attached). Just wish it was a little bigger (13" or so) and was running Remix OS.
But, for $89, I can't complain, my A1160 actually runs pretty well for what it is...Luckily, I haven't had any issues with mine.
Sent from my HP SlateBook 10 x2 PC using Tapatalk
Hello...
@jtrosky, thanks for starting this thread, i've already gotten something out of it... getting rid of that damn clicking every keypress.
It was also nice to find that quickshortcutmaker, thats really a cool app that seems to allow more access than I could find...
Everyone else, hello!
I am an PC user since 84' and an Apple iPad user since, well the day the ipad 2 came out and now I'm on the iPad now. The only reason I say any of this is because the reason I got this Azpen A1160 was to help learn a bit about android and linux. I would also like to figure out how to get to the root...
Knock on wood but I got this three days ago and have literally beaten the software out of it loading, looking, deleting, and I thought I had screwed it up several times but it just keeps on ticking. The back does get a little warm, I haven't actually measured it yet but I'm going to, but I dont think it's too bad. I've run six full charges on battery and worked on it plugged in. (which it doesn't seem to like)
I'm happy with it right now and I think its going be a fun ride. I bet this is going to be a fun place to be in the next couple of months...
Buddy
Oh - one more thing I found out - and this may be well known already for those more familiar with RemixOS. If you click and hold on the little icons on the bottom-right of the taskbar, you can move them around. So, for example, you can make it so the brightness, volume, bluetooth and wifi icons are always visible, even when that section is "collapsed"...
Also - I *love* having the key to disable the touchpad (the key next to the arrow keys). Since I usually use a bluetooth mouse, it's so nice being able to disable the trackpad so quickly and easily!
Oh - and the Prtscr button on the keyboard brings up the very cool screen capture tool, which let's you select what area of the screen to capture. Very handy tool!
Still not sure what the "Pausc" button does - I'm assuming it's actually a misprint and it's supposed to say "Pause". Gotta love cheap electronics that are made in China!
So far, this device is definitely working well for me. Although, I'm not so sure the screen is big enough to truly take advantage of the RemixOS windowing capabilities... But, it's still better than not having any windowing capabilities.
Sent from my A1160 using Tapatalk
One more quick tip - there are apps out there that will let you boost the volume of the device. Right now, I'm using Music Volume EQ to boost the volume, but there are probably better apps out there for this purpose... Will explore more later and post an update if I find a better app.
Sent from my A1160 using Tapatalk
Hello guys, thank you for creating this thread.
Did anyone have any issue by setting up a password for the lock screen?
I did, and it worked for a couple of times, then it started not to recognize the password (password was correct, no caps lock...). Of course it didn't work after reboot as well.
The only option was to remotely reset the device using the google's tool from another pc. Very annoying. Since then never tried to set another security system for the screen lock.
I'm also getting an a problem after turning off the screen: when I try to turn it on again, most of the time I get a blank screen. I have to try several times to get back to remix os.
Did anyone faced this issue as well?
Regards
sephitoor said:
Hello guys, thank you for creating this thread.
Did anyone have any issue by setting up a password for the lock screen?
I did, and it worked for a couple of times, then it started not to recognize the password (password was correct, no caps lock...). Of course it didn't work after reboot as well.
The only option was to remotely reset the device using the google's tool from another pc. Very annoying. Since then never tried to set another security system for the screen lock.
I'm also getting an a problem after turning off the screen: when I try to turn it on again, most of the time I get a blank screen. I have to try several times to get back to remix os.
Did anyone faced this issue as well?
Regards
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have not tried setting up the lock screen (I just leave mine unlocked). And no, I have not had any issues with a blank screen when turning the device back up. What's strange is that the device does not automatically turn on when opening the screen - at least not on my device - I have to press the power button.
Your issues are probably because of the poor quality control with these device. Somehow, I lucked out and got a "good one", but many people seem to be having build-quality issues with them...
Sent from my A1160 using Tapatalk
Great posts and many thanks to the OP.
I got a US 2 pin power plug instead of a UK plug. Does anyone know of a similar products power lead that will fit our A1160?
Need help...
Hi,
First, thanks for creating this thread and posting your tips. Obviously there are not a lot of people using this device yet so it is great to find useful info on it.
Since there is no known root solution yet, I tried installing NetGuard as an adbllocking solution that does not require root. I have used it before without any issues. Unfortunately, on the Azpen, every time that I enable it, it blocks all internet access (it is obviously not supposed to do that). I even tried alternative apps like AdClear and got the exact same result. There is something strange going on with the Azpen. I would really appreciate it if anyone had any pointers as to how I could resolve this.
Thanks...
Welp! I had much higher hopes for this device and I haven't even received mine yet! Will this be rootable?
Thanks for creating this, used both your sound clicking tip and the pinch to zoom in. A bit annoying having your fingers in multiple place to zoom in, but what can you do? I'm a college student and have found that I can't access the net with this device due to it's mac address changing each time. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if mine is the only one. Just thought I would share that.
HyugaSho said:
Thanks for creating this, used both your sound clicking tip and the pinch to zoom in. A bit annoying having your fingers in multiple place to zoom in, but what can you do? I'm a college student and have found that I can't access the net with this device due to it's mac address changing each time. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this or if mine is the only one. Just thought I would share that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is *really* interesting! Sure enough, if I disable and re-enable the wifi, the MAC address does change!! That makes absolutely no sense - I've never seen such a thing!
I'll look into that a little more - but without root, I doubt there is anything that can be done about it. So strange!
One possible option - set wifi to stay enabled all of the time - maybe that way the MAC will stay the same. You can set that in the wifi settings advanced options. I've found that you have to reboot after setting it to always stay active....
Sent from my A1160 using Tapatalk
So far I have been impressed for the cost of this unit. I have a few concerns and wanted to see if anyone had input:
1. Since the length of the power chord is so short. Is it possible to use a USB to Barrel jack type of adapter to power this? That way you can attach to a portable power bank?
2. battery power, I find it to not last that long and I find it takes forever to charge. I thought that this would last 5-7 hours unplugged, nope. It was supposed to charge within in a hour, nope. Any ideas on this?
I use an external mouse and click on the trackpad disable button. I find it much easier to use the computer when typing.
I'm looking at Pinebook, a notebook having the same AllWinner processor (CortexA53).
It seems this notebook can run all OSs suppoted by Pine64, such as Android, some linux distro, Windows IOT and they are working on a Chroimum porting (try to have a look at the pin64 forum).
Do you think it would be possible to do the same with A1160 ?
Another solution could be PhoenixOs (as pointed out in some comment on Kickstarter).
There are already some devices with CortexA53 processor running PhoenixOS out of the box.
I honestly don't know what OS's can be ported over to this device yet. I have a feeling that it's never going to have a huge user base though, so I wouldn't expect much from the developers out there.
Now that Chromebooks can run Android apps, this device just isn't quite as interesting as it once was. Basically, you can now get an inexpensive, *high quality* Chromebook and still have most of the advantages of this device, plus the high quality and frequent updates part.
To be completely honest, I have very low expectations for this device in the long-term. With how hot it gets after any real usage, I expect the mainboard to fail in short order. We'll see. Although, so far, I've really been using it pretty heavily and it does seem to be holding up, but it's only been about a week....
Sent from my A1160 using Tapatalk
Something else I recently noticed - and this may already be a well-known thing with RemixOS... If you close an app by clicking the back arrow on the top-left of the window, you continue to get notifications for that app. But if you close it by clicking the "X" in the top-right of the window, it seems to completely the kill the process and you no longer receive notifications (or if it's an app that stays around and puts a "permanent" notification in the notification tray, the "x" seems to completely stop the app as well and removes its notification item).
At least that's what seems to happen...
Also noticed that even if you setup wifi to stay active even with power off, the unit eventually goes into a "deep sleep" where you will no longer get new email notifications, etc. It even seems to turn wifi off after a while (even though it's set to stay on all of the time).
Lastly, if you have an external mouse connected, close the laptop lid and then move the mouse, it turns the screen back on - even while closed!
Sent from my A1160 using Tapatalk
Hi All,
Saw this in the comments and thought I would chip in with my experience so far.
I got the 64GB version and so far it is the computer I have paid for.
The track pad as everyone said is very crappy, but I just use an external mouse instead so its not a big problem.
I seem to have a good unit and don't have any problems with the unit.
My only gripe is that the battery kinda sucks and after using it intensive for like 3-4 hrs, it will have almost no battery. I wish it came with my UK adapter instead of the US one, but its okay.
Furthermore, is there anyway to put widgets on it? or Use another launcher?
Has anyone tried to root it or tried to install another OS on top of it? I heard that PhoenixOs is possible?
MindlessManiacs said:
Hi All,
The track pad as everyone said is very crappy, but I just use an external mouse instead so its not a big problem.
Furthermore, is there anyway to put widgets on it? or Use another launcher?
Has anyone tried to root it or tried to install another OS on top of it? I heard that PhoenixOs is possible?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For what it's worth, my trackpad actually works really well. I was surprised to read all of the complaints about it. I'm guessing that a lot of them are defective?
Regarding the widgets, no - there is no way to use Widgets in Remix OS 2.0 (not sure about 3.0), which is a huge limitation. Widgets are one of the things that make Android so powerful - and I miss them big time in Remix OS...
I too would like to know if there is a way to load PhoenixOS on this device. I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere that it would be possible (maybe one of the updates on Kickstarter?). I will see if I can email Azpen about this. RemixOS 2.0 is really good, but not quite "finished" in my opinion...
Sent from my A1160 using Tapatalk
Hi! Does somebody receive a blank white screen when laptop booting or waking up?
Every time when I push power button I get a blank white screen... How I can fix it?