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hey guys, so VZM has officially announced that the Incredible will be getting froyo starting tomorrow! woo finally.
anyway, im concerned with making sure all of my software is ready for the OTA without any issues.
i am currently rooted, S-Off running stock 2.1update 1. im also running the leaked ota with 720p, 2.05 radio and the upgraded H-boot.
with all of the above will i be all set to get the OTA update and update while keeping all my apps and data as well as maintain S-off?
thanks for the help guys,
Kevin
Yep...you are ready
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Yep...you are ready
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awesome, thanks.
i also have clockwork recovery running, so i believe i need to install the stock recovery image? if so how exactly do i do that?
thanks!
same sort of concern for me, I just rooted via UnRevoked 3 the other day and am going to do Forever tonight on both of our incredibles. When I flash the update, how do I regain super-user permissions in the OTA FROYO? (the update.zip) file they talk about? Any ideas (still a bit new at this). Want to be able to continue wi-fi tether again for free!
So Im rooted with unrevoked3 and forever. Didn't mess with my radio, or any kernels. So since I'm on unrevoked forever does that mean the ota will be pushed to my phone as is?
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If you have unrevoked forever, just install stocl recovery once the ota gets pushed out
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and once we have the OTA installed? How to re-gain root access?
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If you have unrevoked forever, just install stocl recovery once the ota gets pushed out
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Ok great,and to install it I put it on the SD card and run it from Hboot?
Thanks a lot jdkoreclipse!
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and once we have the OTA installed? How to re-gain root access?
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The same way as installing stock recovery, you would just download and install clockwork recovery back to your phone
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If not, the leak is the one coming ota. They're one and the same.
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I'm a total noob but I installed the original leaked OTA upgrade (720p) with Radio version 2.05. Then after not being able to find a bunch of Apps I rooted and installed the leaked 8/1 Froyo. So now in about phone I have:
Android Version: 2.2
Baseband: 2.05.00.06.11
Kernel: 2.6.32.15-g5e1ab8b ([email protected]#1
Build Number: 3.16.605.0 CL203589 release-keys
Software Number: 3.16.605.0
If the OTA Froyo gets pushed to my phone is it safe for me to accept and upgrade? I realize root might be lost but I'm most concerned about the radio thing. I've heard of people bricking their phone if they upgrade that incorrectly. Will the new OTA upgrade the radio (to 2.15?) - and I am I good to go?
Thanks for any info and sorry for my lack of experience.....
-Jay
thanks i just wanted to make sure I had everything ready to go and it really was as easy as re-installing clock-work after the official OTA to gain root access again!
JayBTV said:
I'm a total noob but I installed the original leaked OTA upgrade (720p) with Radio version 2.05. Then after not being able to find a bunch of Apps I rooted and installed the leaked 8/1 Froyo. So now in about phone I have:
Android Version: 2.2
Baseband: 2.05.00.06.11
Kernel: 2.6.32.15-g5e1ab8b ([email protected]#1
Build Number: 3.16.605.0 CL203589 release-keys
Software Number: 3.16.605.0
If the OTA Froyo gets pushed to my phone is it safe for me to accept and upgrade? I realize root might be lost but I'm most concerned about the radio thing. I've heard of people bricking their phone if they upgrade that incorrectly. Will the new OTA upgrade the radio (to 2.15?) - and I am I good to go?
Thanks for any info and sorry for my lack of experience.....
-Jay
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pretty sure it wil only brick if you update the same radio twice, I had no problem running the update on kernel and radio.
MMBosstones86 said:
pretty sure it wil only brick if you update the same radio twice, I had no problem running the update on kernel and radio.
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Sweet thanks! I just did the unrevoked forever so I guess I'm good to go....
Looking forward to it....
I just copied this from VZW when you click HTC Incred. They are definitely now marketing it as a 2.2 device
"The new Droid Incredible with Google by HTC: YOU want a phone with attitude...DROID...
CAMERA/VIDEO/MUSIC
* Camera: 8MP camera w/auto–focus and HD 720P video capture<<<<<<<THIS
* Create and manage playlists...
FEATURES
* OS: Android 2.2, Google Experience Device<<<<<<<THIS!
* User Interface – HTC Sence 1.6..."
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If you have unrevoked forever, just install stocl recovery once the ota gets pushed out
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Just to clarify this: You must have the stock recovery BEFORE you accept the OTA. Otherwise, the new radio won't flash and features will not work. There are instructions on how to install the stock recovery with s-off here.
I'm rooted and running 2.2 that was leaked a month or so ago with radio 2.05...will I get the OTA update and, if so, is there anything I will need to do different than anyone else who is running stock 2.1 before I do the update?
JayBTV said:
I'm a total noob but I installed the original leaked OTA upgrade (720p) with Radio version 2.05. Then after not being able to find a bunch of Apps I rooted and installed the leaked 8/1 Froyo. So now in about phone I have:
Android Version: 2.2
Baseband: 2.05.00.06.11
Kernel: 2.6.32.15-g5e1ab8b ([email protected]#1
Build Number: 3.16.605.0 CL203589 release-keys
Software Number: 3.16.605.0
If the OTA Froyo gets pushed to my phone is it safe for me to accept and upgrade? I realize root might be lost but I'm most concerned about the radio thing. I've heard of people bricking their phone if they upgrade that incorrectly. Will the new OTA upgrade the radio (to 2.15?) - and I am I good to go?
Thanks for any info and sorry for my lack of experience.....
-Jay
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Sry I ready this after I alrready submited my last post...but I have the exact same set-up as you Jay...I have the same concerns. I've heard some people saying that we have to revert back to 2.1 before accepting the update...is this true?
Ok im a total noob at this.
I am currently rooted with forever
i have:
firmware: 2.1 update1
baseband: 1.00.03.04.06 (had 2.15 before)
Will i not receive the update if i don't have stock recovery?
I want to avoid wiping all my information from my phone (which i understand flashing the stock recovery does)
again sorry im a noob.
if someone could write out a quick step by step it would be GREATLY appreciated.
You'll receive the notification to update I assume. But you'll need stock recovery to actually go through with it. Then after install put clock work back on...
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Reading through the forum here I see that using the RUU that ws leaked earlier wipes out your installed apps, and makes you reinstall them. Also.. the RUU is 178MB.. here are my questions:
1) Would the OTA wipe out all my instaleld apps and force me to reinstall them like the RUU apparently does?
2) If I wait for the OTA, is it going to download to internal phone memory or to my SD card? Does it get erased after installation?
3) Since the RUU is a Windows executable file.. and is alledgedly the OTA.. can I just put this on my SD card and execute it somehow without the use of my PC? (Yeah, I'm expecting some flamage for that one.. even sounded stupid to myself as I was typing it.)
Yes, I'm as noob as a noob can be at this stage, so I apologize if this comes off as totally ignorant. I would love to get the best out of my phone, and the big lack of love from Big Red has me seriously considering root even though I am deeply afraid of brickage.
The ota and the leak are the same, I can 100% confirm that. I'd presume if the ruu wipes your info, so will the ota. Just like flashing a Rom or anything else that changes the OS. So be prepared for that.
The ota is not going to your SD, it'll just download into phone memory and install from there, similar to the .exe on a pc.
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Ugh
patches152 said:
The ota and the leak are the same, I can 100% confirm that. I'd presume if the ruu wipes your info, so will the ota. Just like flashing a Rom or anything else that changes the OS. So be prepared for that.
The ota is not going to your SD, it'll just download into phone memory and install from there, similar to the .exe on a pc.
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Yikes.
1) Cannot confirm until the update is actually pushed; if they decide to fix another bug and not release tomorrow, then I guess it wasn't 100% confirmed.
2) OTA will likely NOT erase your settings/programs; RUU definitely will.
so if im rooted, will the RUU un-root my phone?
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If you can get the RUU to run and see your phone; it will unroot your phone. That is why unrEVOked released "forever"
jdmba said:
Yikes.
1) Cannot confirm until the update is actually pushed; if they decide to fix another bug and not release tomorrow, then I guess it wasn't 100% confirmed.
2) OTA will likely NOT erase your settings/programs; RUU definitely will.
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1) the ota is on the servers, its def coming. It's the same ver as the leak, identical in every way.
2) during testing, the builds are pushed to test devices ota, some were at factory defaults after install. So be prepared, just in case. If not, more power to ya.
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i already have forever
my question is, is my current baseband, "1.00.03.03,06" supported by unrevoked forever? would it even mater since the ruu will install a new baseband, and will that new baseband be supported by forever?
JorgeNava said:
i already have forever
my question is, is my current baseband, "1.00.03.03,06" supported by unrevoked forever? would it even mater since the ruu will install a new baseband, and will that new baseband be supported by forever?
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Yes it will. It updates the radio to an already supported version.
thats all i needed to know. ill start the leaked RUU update right now and report back.
SUCCESS! i still have root and everything seems fine after the leaked RUU
I flashed the leaked ruu over the 8/1 leak. Kept all my apps and homescreen preferences. Just don't wipe data or cache when you flash it
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Does anyone know where to get a copy of the stock inc2 recovery image? This is something I failed to backup before installing Clockworkmod recovery image.
Thanks In Advance.
The are some here that say they are for the vivo_w(DInc2), but are in the IS forums.
Thanks. Downloading now. We'll see how it goes.
Thread moved to proper forum.
Very nice. I was able extract the stock ROM which includes the stock recovery image. Thanks for the link. Now I cam revert my phone for warranty purposes. Haven't tried it yet though.
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it would be good if we could get that posted somewhere for everyone. i'm sure someone's gonna need to return their phone to VZ soon enough.
If you follow the link provided by TB13, you will see the download link for the vivo_w which is for the incredible 2. Launch the application to let it extract everything (its Windows only) and check your temp directory for the directory created by the application (guid format). You will see a Rom.zip file which contains what you need.
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Once I go through the process I'll post how /if it worked. Might be a few days though.
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I was able to successfully revert back to stock Froyo 2.2.1 (non-rooted) using the RUU image RUU_Vivo_W_VERIZON_WWE_1.34.605.3_Radio_0.99.01.02 25_2_NV_VZW1.92_release_181303_signed from TB13's link above. After running the RUU I still have S-OFF from AlphaRevX. This did remove clockworkmod recovery and restore the default HTC recovery. This was just to verify it worked.
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I was able to successfully revert back to stock Froyo 2.2.1 (non-rooted) using the RUU image RUU_Vivo_W_VERIZON_WWE_1.34.605.3_Radio_0.99.01.02 25_2_NV_VZW1.92_release_181303_signed from TB13's link above. After running the RUU I still have S-OFF from AlphaRevX. This did remove clockworkmod recovery and restore the default HTC recovery. This was just to verify it worked.
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Only thing is, I'm not sure that's what shipped on the Inc2's. From what I've read, I think it might be 1.34.605.4 is what shipped. That said, same results here. I did go ahead and end up reinstall clockwork and have Gingersense back from recovery. Wonderful stuff.
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Only thing is, I'm not sure that's what shipped on the Inc2's. From what I've read, I think it might be 1.34.605.4 is what shipped. That said, same results here. I did go ahead and end up reinstall clockwork and have Gingersense back from recovery. Wonderful stuff.
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Ahh. I did verify the HBOOT and radio versions were the same from my original configuration though.
Interesting. No quite what I was hoping for out of that RUU, but I guess I can't complain. The real interest is seeing if someone who is S-ON and running OTA can use it to downgrade and get S-OFF.
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Interesting. No quite what I was hoping for out of that RUU, but I guess I can't complain. The real interest is seeing if someone who is S-ON and running OTA can use it to downgrade and get S-OFF.
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I am getting another Dinc 2 in the mail today. If it has GB on it, I will attempt to flash 2.2.1 RUU and see what happens. I will post the results here. Only thing is, how do I attempt to flash that on a stock s-off GB phone? I do see un1c0de has some instructions, but what should I do with Rom.zip once I have it? My other problem is I have to return the one I have, which is s-off. I will have to flash the RUU on there too, but I just hope they don't catch the fact that it is s-off. (I'm not trying to pull a scam. Bought the Dinc 2 at retail, then found out I could trade in my POS Fascinate for a free Dinc 2, so now I have to return the one I bought. Nothing wrong with it, just want my $475 back)
Edit: Looks like someone tried and posted their results in another thread. Oh well. Hopefully for me it still has froyo on it when it gets here.
You just news to run the ruu in Windows.
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well i was planning to root my desire z for this Virtuous Affinity v1.48.0 rom,looks cool =D.But if the future ota come out,can i just flash the ota rom (OTA_Vision_Gingerbread_S_HTC_WWE_2.42.405.2-1.82.405.1_R_release_199251k3r3wb3a4l4wniec) to remove root and receive future ota updates?i know its stupid question..but im puzzled can someone tell me how to get official update if i have gotten root and custom rom? thanks
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well i was planning to root my desire z for this Virtuous Affinity v1.48.0 rom,looks cool =D.But if the future ota come out,can i just flash the ota rom (OTA_Vision_Gingerbread_S_HTC_WWE_2.42.405.2-1.82.405.1_R_release_199251k3r3wb3a4l4wniec) to remove root and receive future ota updates?i know its stupid question..but im puzzled can someone tell me how to get official update if i have gotten root and custom rom? thanks
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If you're running a custom ROM you won't receive the OTA notification but you could always just download it manually.
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If you're running a custom ROM you won't receive the OTA notification but you could always just download it manually.
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The ROM needs to have the updater apk stripped out for it not to work afaik?
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If you're running a custom ROM you won't receive the OTA notification but you could always just download it manually.
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Means if I'm using affinity I wont receive ota update,I know. What I means was can I just flash that official Rom with clockwork mod?after flashing back to official Rom I know I lost root and s on back. So will it receive ota notification if I flash the official Rom? I'm abit confuse >< srry I'm bad in this...
it´s not that easy to return to stock... the best thing you can do is follow the wiki for rooting. the wiki also descripes a way to return to stock (means reinstall official recovery, s-on and remove superCID)
here is the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision
and if you are waiting for a update to 4.0 ICS you better stay rooted and use customs roms
EDIT: in my country updates are recieved through carrier, so i think it´s important to have the original carrier firmware and CID to recieve ota updates
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it´s not that easy to return to stock... the best thing you can do is follow the wiki for rooting. the wiki also descripes a way to return to stock (means reinstall official recovery, s-on and remove superCID)
here is the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision
and if you are waiting for a update to 4.0 ICS you better stay rooted and use customs roms
EDIT: in my country updates are recieved through carrier, so i think it´s important to have the original carrier firmware and CID to recieve ota updates
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Thx a lot hoffmas!=) well,how can you be so sure desire z would get ics? And if I flash virtuous affinity v1.4.6,then I want to update it to version 1.4.8. Do I have to factory reset and wipe everything in order to update to v1.4.8? I can use the virtuous unity v9 kernel right?? I know its stupid question..hope someone can help me with it =/
the desire z will probably get a update to ics and if so you will see a thread on xda with the stock rom to flash without loosing root but for sure cyanogen is going to be faster
wiping is always a good idea. best thing is to use superwipe and the wipe options in the recovery (system/data/cache)
here is a link for the superwipe (flash it through recovery):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1044992
you can use unity v9 (flash it after first time booting), but unity v10 kernel is included in virtuous affinity 1.48
pls use the thanks button if my posting helped you
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the desire z will probably get a update to ics and if so you will see a thread on xda with the stock rom to flash without loosing root but for sure cyanogen is going to be faster
wiping is always a good idea. best thing is to use superwipe and the wipe options in the recovery (system/data/cache)
here is a link for the superwipe (flash it through recovery):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1044992
you can use unity v9 (flash it after first time booting), but unity v10 kernel is included in virtuous affinity 1.48
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Thx, but the unroot part is so complicated,instead of using that wiki, can I use this guide?
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-unroot-t-mobile-g2-htc-desire-z-complete-guide/
Sure there are different ways to return to stock, but i only post links to guides i used myself (so i know they work)
So maybe someone else knows, if the guide you posted works...
Actually the wiki looks complicated, but it isn't. It's a step by step guide and what is most important: it is a safe way
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About the super wipe,I should flash those 3 zip once I have root on stock rom?
No, you have to choose one .zip and flash it through recovery after you rooted an installed a custom recovery....
So if you want to install virtuous affinity use superwipe before flashing affinity (after using superwipe you have to install a new rom, because the old one is gone)
You are sure you know what you are doing? Do some researching before you start to root your device... Rooting means you can brick your phone.
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hoffmas said:
Sure there are different ways to return to stock, but i only post links to guides i used myself (so i know they work)
So maybe someone else knows, if the guide you posted works...
Actually the wiki looks complicated, but it isn't. It's a step by step guide and what is most important: it is a safe way
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169004 can i just flash the 1st ota rom (only root and busybox added)? then check for future ota updates?
i don´t think you will recieve future ota updates using this rom... but roms like that one are the reason for me to say, that there is no point once you are rooted to wait for ota updates
official updates do come from your carrier and so its important to have the original CID and carrier firmware, as i mentioned already.
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I know wat do know what root means,I rooted wildfire and flash custom Rom before..but I don't plan to reverse back to stock since I already know they will be no future update..but for my desire z..is just that I'm impatient of waiting the ota...so maybe have a try on affinity,but I can't flash the official ota Rom (2.3.3 and sense 2.1) to return everything stock right? I know..kinda dumb of me,forgive me on my stupidity >~<
no i don´t think so... but maybe i am wrong. As i returned to stock for warranty, i did everything as written in the wiki guide and because i didn´t find the original vodafone firmware i did not recieve ota updates (even with original recovery, simlock and CID restore)
but i´m not a dev... maybe i´m completly wrong
If I'm grasping this correctly, you are worried that you won't receive OTA after rooting and flashing? I'm curious as to what OTA you are waiting for and what it has that other ROMs don't? (Honest question, I think the Z's had a few more updates than G2)
Not knowing aside, i'd say root it, flash what you want, and only return to stock if needed for warranty. Chances are you're going to find more support from the community here than with the manufacturer.
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If I'm grasping this correctly, you are worried that you won't receive OTA after rooting and flashing? I'm curious as to what OTA you are waiting for and what it has that other ROMs don't? (Honest question, I think the Z's had a few more updates than G2)
Not knowing aside, i'd say root it, flash what you want, and only return to stock if needed for warranty. Chances are you're going to find more support from the community here than with the manufacturer.
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Exactly! Well,wat I'm worrying was after I root and flashed then, the official ota (maybe sense 3.0) roll out then I will be stuck at root =/ I knw root I can do a lot of stuff..but idk y my mind just like stock =/ if the sense 3.0 of the future update can have horizontal home screen I will get it..
I don't know truthfully. My guess is that any update that WOULD come out would then immediately be ripped apart by the community and made better anyways. There are already quite a few ROMs with Sense 2.1/3.0 features, 3.5, etc, and ports from other phones that support landscape mode (a mt4g ROM if I recall).
You can always return to stock, though I don't think you'd ever want to. ;-)
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I don't know truthfully. My guess is that any update that WOULD come out would then immediately be ripped apart by the community and made better anyways. There are already quite a few ROMs with Sense 2.1/3.0 features, 3.5, etc, and ports from other phones that support landscape mode (a mt4g ROM if I recall).
You can always return to stock, though I don't think you'd ever want to. ;-)
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Desire z support my touch 4G Rom? But if my stock Rom is rooted,I caIn't receive ota right?
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I mean I can't receive ota right?
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So I've been thinking of restoring my stock backup on .10 and updating to .15. If I use ota root keeper can I still keep root and will I still be able to flash the same roms? What determines if roms will still work so I know for later? Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, couldn't find it. Thanks!
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So I've been thinking of restoring my stock backup on .10 and updating to .15. If I use ota root keeper can I still keep root and will I still be able to flash the same roms? What determines if roms will still work so I know for later? Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, couldn't find it. Thanks!
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I'm new to the HTC game, but does the ROM dictate what firmware/radio its using? So if the ROM is based off .08, .12 or .15 that is what your system will be?
Also if you do go back to stock and take the OTA to the .15 firmware, Rumrunner has already been updated to do its magic changes to .15.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2473644
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I'm new to the HTC game, but does the ROM dictate what firmware/radio its using? So if the ROM is based off .08, .12 or .15 that is what your system will be?
Also if you do go back to stock and take the OTA to the .15 firmware, Rumrunner has already been updated to do its magic changes to .15.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2473644
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I'm kind of wondering the same as you, I think you remain s-off and unlocked when you update though since verizon didn't patch either I don't think but I'm not positive.
Most of the people you'll find one here (the ones much smarter about all this than me) recommend avoiding the OTA updates from Verizon. The devs will usually get you the same stuff without risk of losing root or s-off or anything like that. Look at Santod's thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2485319
He has the updated firmware, radios, etc.
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brholt6 said:
Most of the people you'll find one here (the ones much smarter about all this than me) recommend avoiding the OTA updates from Verizon. The devs will usually get you the same stuff without risk of losing root or s-off or anything like that. Look at Santod's thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2485319
He has the updated firmware, radios, etc.
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I did see this thread but I'm not sure if/what I can flash on top of my custom ROM. I know I don't want the recovery because I have TWRP installed, but what about the Kernel and Radio? Can I flash either or both of thous on top of Eclipse GPE ROM?
Does the ROM being flashed normally dictate which of the firmware versions my phone is on? Or do I have to choose a ROM matching the firmware version of my phone?
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I did see this thread but I'm not sure if/what I can flash on top of my custom ROM. I know I don't want the recovery because I have TWRP installed, but what about the Kernel and Radio? Can I flash either or both of thous on top of Eclipse GPE ROM?
Does the ROM being flashed normally dictate which of the firmware versions my phone is on? Or do I have to choose a ROM matching the firmware version of my phone?
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I only flashed the radios. I wouldn't worry about anything else really. The devs will take care of that with ROMs I believe.
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