[Q] A bit of a quandry... - Desire General

Folks - I have a problem....
My Desire had an unfortunate accident involving a flight of stairs and a bounce-bounce-bounce-smash incident!
The insurance says it is unrepairable but they have no Desires in stock to replace it with a new one.
If they are unable to source a Desire and offer an alternative phone, what is the best option in your opinions?

***** slap them round the face and demand a replacement. It is up to them to provide it. You are paying for insurance and your entitled to a replacement phone so it's up to them to keep stocks up. There's nothing really you can do only talk to the insurance company. Talk to some manager instead of some grunt. You usually get a little more out of it that way.

Thanks - but if they genuinely cannot get a replacement within a reasonable period, what is my preferred alternative to demand from the manager as possibly an upgrade?
Desire HD, Samsung etc?

Take the money and get a new phone, or wait til after the Mobile Congress in Madrid and see what's out
DHD is a very nice phone but obviously size is a key factor so go see one in the metal

If they're gonna have you wait a bit, might as well go for the latest: HTC Inspire

We don't have 4G in the UK, so it's useless

I can't recomend the DHD, the build quality is aweful. I sold mine and kept with my Desire. I was very dissapointed with the device. If my Desire broke/failed I'd do what I could to get an identical replacement from my insurer.

Surely they can give you the money to buy another one? CPW have them for sale on their website so I'm sure they can get one from somewhere!!

Cheers - I shall "discuss" at length with them....

Yogimax said:
Thanks - but if they genuinely cannot get a replacement within a reasonable period, what is my preferred alternative to demand from the manager as possibly an upgrade?
Desire HD, Samsung etc?
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Hm! Do you use the GPS at all? If yes, then the Galaxy line would be a disappointment. If not, then get a Galaxy, I'd say...at least as snappy, tons of custom ROMs available and even more on the way; a tad larger AMOLED screen...

Personally i would hold out for another desire - they aren't in short supply so they should have no trouble at all in sourcing another (me and a mate only just got ours) to be honest Desire is still the mutts nuts and i wouldn't settle for anything less just my 2 cents

I bet they just don't want to part with money really so they're stalling.

Yeeeaaahhh!!
Quandry solved - replacement Desire just arrived
It is an unbranded and unlocked model A8181 where the previous one was a branded locked Orange one full of Orange crapware (until it somehow accidentally got rooted and a different ROM inexplicably appeared on it )
Happy days are here again...

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High demand for second hand Rhodiums?

Hello all,
I have my Rhodium(vodaphone TP2, unlocked with stuff) up for sale in the marketplace as I am rocking a HD2 now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=670836
It is waiting for a good offer:
I have had people offering me silly cash for this nearly mint device (£100???)
Now I am thinking, is it really worth so little?
Most of the Rhodiums up 4 sale are in the US and around $300. I guess that we have too many phones in the UK available on a free contract.
I want £150 at least for it and need to get rid of it asap.....
Has anyone bought one recently in UK? What did you pay for it?
Is there any hope I might get some cash back on this now unloved device?
Kind regards all //
The HTC Desire has really killed sales of previous generation phones and the inexperienced/new user is now wowed by Android or Iphones.
Many people are also wary of buying second hand phones as one person's description of 'mint' may not be another person's idea (not saying anything at all about your advert here BTW, this is just a general point).
Many people are also frightened by scare stories of buying second hand phones
Branded phones can be a 'put-off' too even though they are only really cosmetic issues (although some people may worry about unlocking etc. and be concerned that it may not work with their sim when it arrives and then can't return it)
The rhodium is a super device, but there is only a very small market for them as only the smallest percentage of the phone buying public is even aware of the phone and then when added to the points above, I am not surprised that you are getting low offers, but I can also understand how disappointing this would be for a seller.
I went through something similar when selling my touch HD as I wanted it to go to someone who would love it as much as I did!
I think you have 2 options here;
Wait for someone who is looking for a rhodium and you can meet up in person (thus negating all the general points above)
Flog it to somewhere like CEX who might give you a decent (ish) price for it;
http://www.cex.co.uk/products/Phone... Touch Pro2, Vodafone Good Condition&mode=buy
Shame you are in London though, as I would have taken a look at this if you had been nearer to sunny Gloucestershire
Best of luck with your sale
Spud
i haven't looked into the prices for a used touch pro 2 but whenever I try to sell something online, i always get "low-ballers" THey email you some excuse that they're a student, just lost their job, just had a baby, etc and are tight on cash and want to only pay a quarter of the price i'm asking.
Its just the way things are, if you need to sell it asap, maybe lower the price a bit, but if i were you, i'd stay firm on your asking price until someone that has the money and knows the value of the device goes ahead an purchases it.

For Sale or Swap: HTC Desire

Lovely device but some things I just can't live with!
Does anyone want to give me £300 for it (brand new with box and original HTC case) or a swap for an unlocked HD2 (with a perfect screen please)?
Thanks for looking...
check your other thread
HD2 for sale
Just read your post.
I've gone the other way and bought a Desire. So now have an HD2 for sale. I was going to list it on ebay, but if you've sold your Desire and not yet bought an HD2 then mine is for sale. I'll take 200 quid for it if you're interested. Saves me the hassle of sticking it on ebay and paying them fees.
Screen is fine...official HTC screen protector on since 1 week after buying phone and it's lived in the supplied pouch since day 1.
Can send pics if required. Let me know...email or reply on this thread.
Rich
Hmm, I've got an unlocked HD2, flawless which I have no need for and it just sits collected dust. Well, in it's box
Could do with another Desire...
Swapsies?
isaw said:
Hmm, I've got an unlocked HD2, flawless which I have no need for and it just sits collected dust. Well, in it's box
Could do with another Desire...
Swapsies?
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2 Desires...now that's just being greedy...lol.
One for the gf - so I can take back my nexus one!
isaw said:
Hmm, I've got an unlocked HD2, flawless which I have no need for and it just sits collected dust. Well, in it's box
Could do with another Desire...
Swapsies?
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I would trade my desire for your hd2 lol
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Don't get me wrong, I think the HD2 is one of the best bits of kit and the build quality is second to none. I just was never a fan of winmo and i'm not much of a rom/tweak/h4xx0r (is that what the kids say these days?)
But I'd prefer another desire as I'd get more use out of it and one thing i hate is wasted technology. And my HD2 is just sitting there..
actually, now you mention it...
isaw said:
Don't get me wrong, I think the HD2 is one of the best bits of kit and the build quality is second to none. I just was never a fan of winmo and i'm not much of a rom/tweak/h4xx0r (is that what the kids say these days?)
But I'd prefer another desire as I'd get more use out of it and one thing i hate is wasted technology. And my HD2 is just sitting there..
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Sale or swap might be the way forward for me too...since I'm new to Android at least I'd have a back up if I bricked mine...lol.
So there you go...sale or swap anyone?
And for the record, I'm with isaw on my opinion of the HD2...it is a fantastic bit of kit, just for me I felt the time was right to move on to a newer platform.
Babblerx
Can you post photos of ur HD2. I'm interested in buying it for 200 quid. Do you live in midlands i can pick it up.
HD2 pics soon
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Babblerx
Can you post photos of ur HD2. I'm interested in buying it for 200 quid. Do you live in midlands i can pick it up.
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Hi Jayz,
I'll try and get some pics done tomorrow...not been well today (recovering from kidney stone op earlier in the week, but had a bit of discomfort today). It's got a screen protector on at the minute. Do you want me to take the screen protector off so I can take pics of the actual screen? I have a spare screen protector (genuine HTC) I can send with the phone if you buy it.
I also have a 4gb card in the phone which I'm happy to include with the phone. Or I can put an 8gb card in for an extra £10. That's up to you.
The phone is currently flashed with CleanEx 3.50 ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=629409) - which is now up to v4.30. However, I'm happy to flash it back to a stock ROM if you want.
It got it on a vodafone contract but it was unbranded and unlocked from the factory.
I've also flashed the HSPL to 1.42....basically, making it incredibly simply to flash any roms.
I don't live in the Midlands, but I'm sure we can work something out if you want the phone.
As I said before, I'd rather sell it on here as I know it'll go to someone who is willing to experiment with it as much as me...plus fleabay don't get their unjustifiably high fees from the sale....lol.
Rich
if you want you can send photos of ur phone to my email address [email protected]. Only two things i need to know one any marks on the screen and two any damage on body and don't worry about memory card.

[Q] Once bitten twice shy - should I get the S3?

HTC One X owner from India..big fan of HTC products..until now.
After several weeks of careful deliberation I decided to buy the infamous HTC One X, brushing aside the wide variety of build defects being reported all over the internet.
The first time around I discovered the damned WiFi issue and immediately got a DOA certificate from HTC. Got my replacement HOX this Saturday, a brand new piece, and foolishly enough I didn't check the phone at the store. I also had the option of buying an S3 but decided to settle with a HOX (because of my loyalty to HTC)
Later I realized that the display has a big yellow spot on the top and a glaring black spot (both clearly visible on a white background) right in the center of the screen. Rushed back to the store and got another DOA certificate.
My dilemma is - should I trust HTC the third time around? I really want to, despite the nightmare I have faced, but is it worth it? Should I just get the freaking S3?
You should stick with HOX in my opinion you were just extremely unlucky on the first two, if you're used to HTC phones you are going to miss a lot of features and sense if you go for the S3.
silenced3 said:
HTC One X owner from India..big fan of HTC products..until now.
After several weeks of careful deliberation I decided to buy the infamous HTC One X, brushing aside the wide variety of build defects being reported all over the internet.
The first time around I discovered the damned WiFi issue and immediately got a DOA certificate from HTC. Got my replacement HOX this Saturday, a brand new piece, and foolishly enough I didn't check the phone at the store. I also had the option of buying an S3 but decided to settle with a HOX (because of my loyalty to HTC)
Later I realized that the display has a big yellow spot on the top and a glaring black spot (both clearly visible on a white background) right in the center of the screen. Rushed back to the store and got another DOA certificate.
My dilemma is - should I trust HTC the third time around? I really want to, despite the nightmare I have faced, but is it worth it? Should I just get the freaking S3?
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Lol had the same dilemma after my first HOX had the screen flex issue.
But samsung service sucks here so i decided to give HOX another go, Fortunately for me the replacement seems perfect with only the rattle sound being an issue/, But i heard its quite normal in all smartphones so i am happy now
get another HOX you wont regret it.
It's a no brainer.. the S3 sucks....
hmmm
i just love sense too much... i'd try again.
i'm an htc-addict.
but: you have to make this choice, we can't help you. why don't you try a S3 in store and see if you like it?
go into the store and get a third one..and before you do read this thread so you know what to look out for so you get the perfect one
silenced3 said:
HTC One X owner from India..big fan of HTC products..until now.
After several weeks of careful deliberation I decided to buy the infamous HTC One X, brushing aside the wide variety of build defects being reported all over the internet.
The first time around I discovered the damned WiFi issue and immediately got a DOA certificate from HTC. Got my replacement HOX this Saturday, a brand new piece, and foolishly enough I didn't check the phone at the store. I also had the option of buying an S3 but decided to settle with a HOX (because of my loyalty to HTC)
Later I realized that the display has a big yellow spot on the top and a glaring black spot (both clearly visible on a white background) right in the center of the screen. Rushed back to the store and got another DOA certificate.
My dilemma is - should I trust HTC the third time around? I really want to, despite the nightmare I have faced, but is it worth it? Should I just get the freaking S3?
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Thanks guys..well the unanimous opinion here seems to be in favor of the HoX. I am quite keen to give HTC one more shot so I've decided to wait till a new batch comes in (the one that gave me trouble was the SH24LW). I have also written to HTC Asia customer grievances. Let's see what they have to say about it.
The funny thing is when I went to the service center today I met 4 people there with issues ranging from WiFi to overheating and display problems. I spoke to these folks and they were all intermediate to advanced users. What I really feel enraged about is the fact that an average or novice user who buys this device is never going to notice all these issue and end up owning a substandard product that's going to give him problem in the longer run.
Its not everyday you buy such an expensive device and the least you would expect is to get some promise of quality from a global giant like HTC.
Goku80 said:
go into the store and get a third one..and before you do read this thread so you know what to look out for so you get the perfect one
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You see the problem here is that you have to buy the device first before you can break the seal and have a look inside.. and once you do that you inadvertently end up buying the device.. which means if theres a defect you go to the service center, which is about 10 miles from the store, and get a DOA certificate.. then come back all the way round and replace the phone. My cost of ownership of this phone has already surpassed the original price by 50$. Not to mention the 2 days of productivity lost at work!
BigFatTony said:
i just love sense too much... i'd try again.
i'm an htc-addict.
but: you have to make this choice, we can't help you. why don't you try a S3 in store and see if you like it?
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I did try the S3 the first time I went to buy the HoX and I didnt like it one bit. It crossed my mind when I went back to the store to get my first replacement and I had a look at the S3 for a good 20 minutes before walking out with another HoX. Now I have another chance so I just wanted everyone's opinion here.
Thanks!
silenced3 said:
You see the problem here is that you have to buy the device first before you can break the seal and have a look inside.. and once you do that you inadvertently end up buying the device.. which means if theres a defect you go to the service center, which is about 10 miles from the store, and get a DOA certificate.. then come back all the way round and replace the phone. My cost of ownership of this phone has already surpassed the original price by 50$. Not to mention the 2 days of productivity lost at work!
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do you not have the seven day return policy? so say if you are not happy with the handset you got that 7 day window to return it?
that is what we have over here in the UK and makes life a lot easier specially for those who can not make their mind up.
anyways you can still use the guide and ask these questions at the store were you purchase the phone and that way you can have a peace of mind about it if the employees are helpful that is and answer your questions
Goku80 said:
do you not have the seven day return policy? so say if you are not happy with the handset you got that 7 day window to return it?
that is what we have over here in the UK and makes life a lot easier specially for those who can not make their mind up.
anyways you can still use the guide and ask these questions at the store were you purchase the phone and that way you can have a peace of mind about it if the employees are helpful that is and answer your questions
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Unfortunately, we enjoy no such privilege here. The store just retails the product and if you face a problem you have to approach the manufacturer directly.
As for asking questions at the store - here's an interesting story for you. When I informed the salesman about the overheating problem he asked me to use headphones instead
Then I showed him the display issue and he asked me not to open apps with a white background. At the HTC service center I overheard the engineer tell a customer that he cant use headphones other than the ones bundled with the phone otherwise the phone's warranty will be voided. I gave him such a look that he mellowed down and gave up on that logic.
silenced3 said:
Unfortunately, we enjoy no such privilege here. The store just retails the product and if you face a problem you have to approach the manufacturer directly.
As for asking questions at the store - here's an interesting story for you. When I informed the salesman about the overheating problem he asked me to use headphones instead
Then I showed him the display issue and he asked me not to open apps with a white background. At the HTC service center I overheard the engineer tell a customer that he cant use headphones other than the ones bundled with the phone otherwise the phone's warranty will be voided. I gave him such a look that he mellowed down and gave up on that logic.
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now that is an interesting story. you should keep me posted with what decision you go for then my friend.
i can say so far that i might of had 3 replacements but those 3 phones i never had any issues with regarding wifi or signal issues.
Goku80 said:
now that is an interesting story. you should keep me posted with what decision you go for then my friend.
i can say so far that i might of had 3 replacements but those 3 phones i never had any issues with regarding wifi or signal issues.
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Ain't giving up just yet. Will keep you posted on the latest. Thanks for your tips.
silenced3 said:
Ain't giving up just yet. Will keep you posted on the latest. Thanks for your tips.
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no probs...hope you go for the one x mate as this phone is a beauty...once you get a perfect one which after a few months now the QC should be better you will just be amazed by the screen
This is India dude..I wouldn't be surprised if the engineers at the service center are unaware of even the screen resolution of one x..happened with me at Samsung's service center..guy told me that s2 n Note have exactly the same resolution..so don't rely on their judgement..just check that the phone is from the latest lot ie either HT25 or 26 or SH series..I would recommend that u go with HT series which stands for manufactured in Taiwan..mine is a real early Taiwan build of March and its flawless in every department..
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Go the S3. Had all 3 versions and never had to return one.
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LakshayX said:
This is India dude..I wouldn't be surprised if the engineers at the service center are unaware of even the screen resolution of one x..happened with me at Samsung's service center..guy told me that s2 n Note have exactly the same resolution..so don't rely on their judgement..just check that the phone is from the latest lot ie either HT25 or 26 or SH series..I would recommend that u go with HT series which stands for manufactured in Taiwan..mine is a real early Taiwan build of March and its flawless in every department..
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Both phones were SH24. Didn't find a single SH25/26 here (Bombay) let along a HT.
Me too using ht version and I am from India . Just go for one more hox . You will get a good one. My prayers for you.
Gs3 sucks , I had given a try. Even if you buy s3 you will sell it . Even faulty hox is better than the proper s3.
You will get good one.
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My first android phone I have been lucky the only thing I can find wrong with mine is that it makes a hissing noise when recording in 1080p I just turn off stereo and records fine no hiss. If I was in your shoes 2 faulty devices I would diff go for the sgs3 that many f ups is unexceptable
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silenced3 said:
Thanks guys..well the unanimous opinion here seems to be in favor of the HoX. I am quite keen to give HTC one more shot so I've decided to wait till a new batch comes in (the one that gave me trouble was the SH24LW). I have also written to HTC Asia customer grievances. Let's see what they have to say about it.
The funny thing is when I went to the service center today I met 4 people there with issues ranging from WiFi to overheating and display problems. I spoke to these folks and they were all intermediate to advanced users. What I really feel enraged about is the fact that an average or novice user who buys this device is never going to notice all these issue and end up owning a substandard product that's going to give him problem in the longer run.
Its not everyday you buy such an expensive device and the least you would expect is to get some promise of quality from a global giant like HTC.
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This is a One x forum, of course the unanimous opinion is going to be in favor of the One X. I always tell people who ask which one they should pick that they should base their choice on what they prefer in their phone. Both are the best on the market right now but depends if you like slcd screens or AMOLED technology, if you need a lot of storage, if you're attracted to the beautiful body of the phone, sense or touchwiz, battery life ect... You search what you want in your phone and pick which one to go with.
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Goku80 said:
no probs...hope you go for the one x mate as this phone is a beauty...once you get a perfect one which after a few months now the QC should be better you will just be amazed by the screen
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I do agree on this, lots of users had/ have issues with the one x, I happen to be one of the lucky people without any issues whatsoever and its been great. But again both phones are great so just make sure you know what you're looking for in a phone OP.

My 10th replacement phone.

Ok,
I just to share my pain with you guys. I keep reading you guys on the HOX update thread. I reckon by the time I get a phone without fault, it'll come with Jellybean straight out of the box.
I'm with Carphone Warehouse.
They are brilliant at arranging a swap. But, not so good at sending me a working phone it seems. I'll spare you the details about the issues, but they have all been genuine.
Spoke to a manager today, who said to send the phone to their office, and they will have a look at it. And they will inspect my replacement before they send it out.
However, I'm on the second month of my new contract now, and it's basically 2 months without the phone I ordered. I don't see the point in kicking off over the phone, as most of the time, they don't really have the authority to do much. Plus, it's no good for the blood pressure if you end up arguing with a jerk.
Far better to take your time and write a letter to head office, spelling out all the issues, the timeline and what you want as a resolution. And then sleep on it. Edit it, and sleep on it again before sending it.
If you were me, what would you ask them for? (apart from a working phone, but hopefully that is in the bag if they truly are going to inspect it)
I don't mind stupid comments as long as you give a sensible one as well. I could do with some light relief.
If you were me, what would you ask them for?
a galaxy s3 and be done with it, flawless first time
oh and it being a better phone will be a bonus to
it took me 3 one x's to get a decent one, gave that to the missus and got a gs3, its a much better phone
Your 2 months line rental back at a minimum
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If you just want a phone ask if you can swap for a gs3(I had this option and didn't go for it because I don't find the gs3 better than the one x). If you still want a one x, let then let you pick it up in-store, maybe let you into the store room and puck the box personally. Even say if you can get the one x+ for free when it comes out
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oliseo said:
Ok,
I just to share my pain with you guys. I keep reading you guys on the HOX update thread. I reckon by the time I get a phone without fault, it'll come with Jellybean straight out of the box.
I'm with Carphone Warehouse.
They are brilliant at arranging a swap. But, not so good at sending me a working phone it seems. I'll spare you the details about the issues, but they have all been genuine.
Spoke to a manager today, who said to send the phone to their office, and they will have a look at it. And they will inspect my replacement before they send it out.
However, I'm on the second month of my new contract now, and it's basically 2 months without the phone I ordered. I don't see the point in kicking off over the phone, as most of the time, they don't really have the authority to do much. Plus, it's no good for the blood pressure if you end up arguing with a jerk.
Far better to take your time and write a letter to head office, spelling out all the issues, the timeline and what you want as a resolution. And then sleep on it. Edit it, and sleep on it again before sending it.
If you were me, what would you ask them for? (apart from a working phone, but hopefully that is in the bag if they truly are going to inspect it)
I don't mind stupid comments as long as you give a sensible one as well. I could do with some light relief.
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I would wonder why I wouldn't ask for a different phone after the third or fourth time.
Edit: Just pulled up reviews for CPW. They kinda suck if you look at their reviews. Perhaps it's not the phone, but who you've gotten 10 phones from.
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I would wonder why I wouldn't ask for a different phone after the third or fourth time.
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Yes, they did offer me the SG3.
I don't like the screen. Nor the dialler. Or the design.
As for why I different ask for a different phone.
Kind of like those situations where you're waiting for a bus. And you've been waiting that long, you could have walked, but didn't, because you knew the next one would be here in a minute.
I've spoken to them, and if they don't send me out a working phone, without flaws, then I will be getting an SG3.
(but then, whose to say I won't have the same issues with the SG3!! I might just be one of those really unlucky SOB's...)
I mean, given probability, you would have thought that by the 8th one, I would have got a working one.
What I don't want to do, is end up over on the SG3 forum, with the same title, except it saying
My 10th replacement SG3.
And 4 months into my contract.
Yes, you're right. Definitely the 2 months line rental.
You have my sympathy, it took me 4 replacements on the 3 network to get a usable phone and I thought I had it bad, you're doing well not to lose it, sounds like Carphone Warehoue are being decent at least with swapping them out each time rather than a repair.
Then again, with 3 i'm still on 1.28 with bugs galore so it's still not 100%. I would definitely be asking for the 2 months back as you haven't had the benefit of the service you're paying for. I really would have thought HTC would have these problems sorted by now, I'm very surprised.
I would probably at this point even ask for a refund, hold out a month or two and maybe either try again or opt for another phone if something else you fancied came along.
If they are going to check out the new replacement first, maybe give them this chance and then consider your options. Good luck!
@Op,
10 new replacements in 2 months does make me think your story is crap, that's how I see it.
Laurentius26 said:
@Op,
10 new replacements in 2 months does make me think your story is crap, that's how I see it.
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I'd have gone through two. Maybe three. But ten? Unless there was a bad run and CPW got all of them the odds of getting that many defective devices in a row are astronomical. Early in the launch when the One X was at its worst the "perfect vs. non-perfect poll" showed 70% declared perfect by their owners. Out of ten that's seven that were fault free. OP, you seem to have bad karma with the One X. I'd suggest not tempting the gods any longer and finding a substitute.
I also say total crap,
Carphone warehouse wouldn't even replace it 10 times, they would have offered a different phone or scrapped the contract long before now.
I've had one HOX, (release day 5th april)
The one I'm using now is the same phone, it's faultless.
Oh, and I got it from Carphone Warehouse.
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Laurentius26 said:
@Op,
10 new replacements in 2 months does make me think your story is crap, that's how I see it.
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So true :good:
Op hasn't mentioned what the "fault or flaw" is that he has experienced. Utter Bull crap if you ask me.
I feel so sorry for htc...because of these people that send their phones back for a creaking screen or flashing lcd's bla bla bla. It is breaking htc to the point of needing a bail-out from the Taiwanese Banks!
I've owned my One X since May and experienced all of the bugs that have been discussed in these forums but I never gave up on her, she's been wonderful to me. Luckily I don't have any hardware defects and accept that she is what she is a hot & sexy and occasionally sometimes difficult to be with. But I love my One X to the end.
Sorry for the rant but really come on 10 returns?? Why didn't you switch service providers after the 3rd return? And next time tell us what flaw's you were experiencing other wise we'll just think you're talking utter crap...end
Well I have just received my fifth replacement (First four because of GPS issues), and this one I found, to my dismay, has a faulty touch screen. I.e. the top third of the screen doesn't register any touch, and I can't drag notification bar down, or search for apps in Play Store etc etc.
This one was FROM HTC.... ugh
Wow 10 replacements does sound bad indeed. Maybe you are just to picky, or they keep sending you the same phone
i got mine since it came out. The only problem with it is the creacking on the left side. It does seem annoying sometimes but not enough to start bugging htc or complain about sh*t quality. I love my phone as it is. Theres nothing perfect in this world
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Wow 10 replacements does sound bad indeed. Maybe you are just to picky, or they keep sending you the same phone
i got mine since it came out. The only problem with it is the creacking on the left side. It does seem annoying sometimes but not enough to start bugging htc or complain about sh*t quality. I love my phone as it is. Theres nothing perfect in this world
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Yea mine also seems to have that issue and the light leak at the bottom on a black screen, but it's not enough for me to send it back. I only had one issue with the phone after I got it and that was a faulty SIM card, but my Service provider, MTN Just swapped it the next day. I love my phone and am running JB ROM now. it makes all the difference. 10 swaps seems like a picky user or you must have been a terrible person in your previous life.
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So true :good:
Op hasn't mentioned what the "fault or flaw" is that he has experienced. Utter Bull crap if you ask me.
I feel so sorry for htc...because of these people that send their phones back for a creaking screen or flashing lcd's bla bla bla. It is breaking htc to the point of needing a bail-out from the Taiwanese Banks!
I've owned my One X since May and experienced all of the bugs that have been discussed in these forums but I never gave up on her, she's been wonderful to me. Luckily I don't have any hardware defects and accept that she is what she is a hot & sexy and occasionally sometimes difficult to be with. But I love my One X to the end.
Sorry for the rant but really come on 10 returns?? Why didn't you switch service providers after the 3rd return? And next time tell us what flaw's you were experiencing other wise we'll just think you're talking utter crap...end
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Well just so you know HTC/retailers/carriers dont just keep the returned phones. They resell them to other customers in different manners depending on how honest the party is. HTC is having financial problems because people just dont buy their phones to begin with. I just started working at a phone store and the people there push the SGS3 like crazy and customers just ask about IP4S )
And just because you like the ideal design/ concept/ the brand doesnt make the messy production acceptable. Idk about other major Android phone releases, but I've seen so many people who had to swap A COUPLE OF times just to get a decent one. That was a bit shocking. And I've seen people who claimed to have a perfect handset in the beginning now have issues with the wifi-antenna. SO just a reminder for those of you HTC police, before chastising the disgruntled customers, think about karma. Your perfect phones may be the next one in the line to be sent back to customer service and I'll be eagerly waiting for the story about your experience with HTC repair, especially those you that live in the UK.
PS: Just to say preemptively that Im not a Samsung/ Apple/ Sony fan boy. HTC is still my most favourite Android manufacturer but that doesnt mean I need to suck up to their horrendous quality control.
i call bull **** 10 phones u are either the unluckiest person alive or your trolling
Please, I wanna c a picture of ur face. Please.
Enviado desde mi HTC One X
@ averygagaanroid I totally agree with you.
My personal experience with htc thus far has been exceptional and the three gorgeous phone's I've owned from them in the last 5-6 years have been a Hero, Desire and One X and yes a have found bugs but I was patient enough and now I still have these perfect working phone's now.
I only hope that htc pull's through these hard times and comes out stronger because I will be buying my next phone from htc in the next 18 months.
What network are you working for?
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@ averygagaanroid I totally agree with you.
My personal experience with htc thus far has been exceptional and the three gorgeous phone's I've owned from them in the last 5-6 years have been a Hero, Desire and One X and yes a have found bugs but I was patient enough and now I still have these perfect working phone's now.
I only hope that htc pull's through these hard times and comes out stronger because I will be buying my next phone from htc in the next 18 months.
What network are you working for?
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Optus and Virgin in Australia.
i work at CPW, please P/M me a customer number or transaction number for any of the 10 exchanges so that i can confirm/refute your claims for all these fine people

I am giving up my Note 7 and I am considering the HTC 10.

Hello everyone it's been a while since I have posted anything on a HTC section. I am currently have the Note 7 and well I have to give it up. I was considering the S7 but there is practically zero roms for it due to the locked boot loader. I wanted to get some feedback from the community and see if your current experience and thoughts are on the 10.
I love trying out new roms, currently in love with TEKHD roms.
What do you guys like about the phone? Pros and cons. If you could go back, Would you consider the S7 despite the locked bootloader or buy a different phone?
The v20 is out but I am not digging the phone, mainly for the price point. Only reason to consider the S7 and S7 Edge is due to the free 256gb SD Card and 100 bucks in credit from samsung. Oh and lastly, I don't see a HTC 10 for tmobile, is there a reason for that?
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Hello everyone it's been a while since I have posted anything on a HTC section. I am currently have the Note 7 and well I have to give it up. I was considering the S7 but there is practically zero roms for it due to the locked boot loader. I wanted to get some feedback from the community and see if your current experience and thoughts are on the 10.
I love trying out new roms, currently in love with TEKHD roms.
What do you guys like about the phone? Pros and cons. If you could go back, Would you consider the S7 despite the locked bootloader or buy a different phone?
The v20 is out but I am not digging the phone, mainly for the price point. Only reason to consider the S7 and S7 Edge is due to the free 256gb SD Card and 100 bucks in credit from samsung. Oh and lastly, I don't see a HTC 10 for tmobile, is there a reason for that?
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I wouldn't get the S7. I had it for 4 months and was not happy with it, even though overall it's a great phone. I would DEF get the HTC 10 over it. The camera on the S7 has slightly more detail than the 10's, but the 10's is more color accurate (as is the screen vs. S7's). The sound quality during calls was not that great on my S7 (locked from T-Mobile). I have the Sony Xperia XP right now and even w/o VoLTE (incl. HD Voice) it still sounds WAY better. The single speaker on the S7 is the worst ever too. I mean it really sux! lol The HTC 10 also has cool features like double tap to wake & sleep, smart call handling/auto answer calls (answer calls by simply picking up phone while it lays flat and lifting it to your ear; no need to swipe screen anymore), etc. The audio technology on the HTC 10 is WAY better b/c they put in more money on it and everyone thinks it sounds the best! I listen to a lot of music on premium headphones, and I know the 10 won't disappoint (I tried it out for a week). If using a digital connection to the S7 for headphone listening, because of a USB driver issue, it will make your music skip like every 3-5 min. I really DON'T miss that! lol
Also, HTC is VERY cool with ppl unlocking its bootloaders. So since you like flashing ROMs, that's another plus with getting a 10.
The HTC 10 is currently on sale 'til next Monday for $150 off. The only down side is they're out of 2 of the 4 colors (available on unlocked models only) until most likely after the sale ends. So right now there's only the black and silver ones available, but both are nice too. I had the One M8 in silver a couple years ago and it was great phone! And they've only gotten better since, though I hope the HTC 11 moves that fingerprint sensor from the front and INTEGRATES it into the side Power button the way Sony does it, and then also move that bottom facing speaker back to its rightful place at the bottom front. We'll see. Still, the 10 is great though.
The 10 didn't sell well enough for T-Mobile to keep it in stock I guess, so you can only buy it from HTC or maybe Amazon (etc) online now? I guess SOME T-Mobile stores have it in stock still, but you'd have to call and find them, and there may not be any around you that do. The good news is, HTC actually CARED enough about their customers (unlike Sony Mobile) to get the unlocked HTC 10 certified with T-Mobile for their VoLTE (which includes HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling services, so you WILL get both of those features on even the unlocked one. I say get the unlocked one b/c more color options + you'll get updates faster cuz they won't have to go through T-Mobile first to get configured before deployment.
On top of all that, you get HTC's Uh-Oh Protection plan. The first year is covered with that (for free) for broken screens or water damage, and if you DON'T use it, you get a $100 credit off the purchase of a future HTC One series phone. More details here. A sweet deal if you ask me.
Hope that helps!
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I wouldn't get the S7. I had it for 4 months and was not happy with it, even though overall it's a great phone. I would DEF get the HTC 10 over it. The camera on the S7 has slightly more detail than the 10's, but the 10's is more color accurate (as is the screen vs. S7's). The sound quality during calls was not that great on my S7 (locked from T-Mobile). I have the Sony Xperia XP right now and even w/o VoLTE (incl. HD Voice) it still sounds WAY better. The single speaker on the S7 is the worst ever too. I mean it really sux! lol The HTC 10 also has cool features like double tap to wake & sleep, smart call handling/auto answer calls (answer calls by simply picking up phone while it lays flat and lifting it to your ear; no need to swipe screen anymore), etc. The audio technology on the HTC 10 is WAY better b/c they put in more money on it and everyone thinks it sounds the best! I listen to a lot of music on premium headphones, and I know the 10 won't disappoint (I tried it out for a week). If using a digital connection to the S7 for headphone listening, because of a USB driver issue, it will make your music skip like every 3-5 min. I really DON'T miss that! lol
Also, HTC is VERY cool with ppl unlocking its bootloaders. So since you like flashing ROMs, that's another plus with getting a 10.
The HTC 10 is currently on sale 'til next Monday for $150 off. The only down side is they're out of 2 of the 4 colors (available on unlocked models only) until most likely after the sale ends. So right now there's only the black and silver ones available, but both are nice too. I had the One M8 in silver a couple years ago and it was great phone! And they've only gotten better since, though I hope the HTC 11 moves that fingerprint sensor from the front and INTEGRATES it into the side Power button the way Sony does it, and then also move that bottom facing speaker back to its rightful place at the bottom front. We'll see. Still, the 10 is great though.
The 10 didn't sell well enough for T-Mobile to keep it in stock I guess, so you can only buy it from HTC or maybe Amazon (etc) online now? I guess SOME T-Mobile stores have it in stock still, but you'd have to call and find them, and there may not be any around you that do. The good news is, HTC actually CARED enough about their customers (unlike Sony Mobile) to get the unlocked HTC 10 certified with T-Mobile for their VoLTE (which includes HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling services, so you WILL get both of those features on even the unlocked one. I say get the unlocked one b/c more color options + you'll get updates faster cuz they won't have to go through T-Mobile first to get configured before deployment.
On top of all that, you get HTC's Uh-Oh Protection plan. The first year is covered with that (for free) for broken screens or water damage, and if you DON'T use it, you get a $100 credit off the purchase of a future HTC One series phone. More details here. A sweet deal if you ask me.
Hope that helps!
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I called several stores and none of them have it. I know I can go directly to HTC and buy it but I can not afford to pay the full retail price. I was hoping I could finance it through tmobile. ;/ I might just have to stick with my trusty Note 5 or opt for a S7 or S7 Edge which I just found out have practically zero modding community
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I called several stores and none of them have it. I know I can go directly to HTC and buy it but I can not afford to pay the full retail price. I was hoping I could finance it through tmobile. ;/ I might just have to stick with my trusty Note 5 or opt for a S7 or S7 Edge which I just found out have practically zero modding community
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I C.
If you have Amazon Prime like I do, you could sign up for their Amazon Prime Store Card (log in to Amazon to see details). I got it sometime ago, and it lets you pay off any item at or over $149 over 6 mos interest-free, or at/over $599 12 mos interest-free. That's what I'm using now actually to pay off my Sony Xperia X Performance actually. Prices will vary here though and you HAVE to make sure not the get the int'l ones off Amazon b/c 4G LTE doesn't work on them. (Read the descriptions before buying.)
HTC.com DOES have a monthly financing option as well through PayPal. They say you get a $250 line of credit if approved, but when you go through the application process, it appears they raise it to cover the FULL price of the phone. You'll get 6 months to pay it off, interest-free. Select "PayPal Credit" in checkout to see that option on the HTC site.
Both options will require a credit check, which is not a big deal if you haven't recently applied for a credit card or credit of some kind and are in good standing. Even if you have applied once or twice recently, it should be fine. Look at the details of both and then make your decision.
P.S. See my last post again. I added some stuff like the Uh-Oh Protection part right when you replied.
Hope that helps! F Samsung! lol
F9zSlavik said:
Hello everyone it's been a while since I have posted anything on a HTC section. I am currently have the Note 7 and well I have to give it up. I was considering the S7 but there is practically zero roms for it due to the locked boot loader. I wanted to get some feedback from the community and see if your current experience and thoughts are on the 10.
I love trying out new roms, currently in love with TEKHD roms.
What do you guys like about the phone? Pros and cons. If you could go back, Would you consider the S7 despite the locked bootloader or buy a different phone?
The v20 is out but I am not digging the phone, mainly for the price point. Only reason to consider the S7 and S7 Edge is due to the free 256gb SD Card and 100 bucks in credit from samsung. Oh and lastly, I don't see a HTC 10 for tmobile, is there a reason for that?
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I switched from Note 7 to HTC 10, so far the phone is blazing fast. Haven't experienced any lag of any kind unlike Note 7. When typing on the Note 7 you experience the input lag and you have to uninstall apps in order to make the phone fast. While htc 10 you don't have to delete apps to make the phone fast it's already fast. The only thing i miss from the note is the big screen and Samsung pay. Watching videos on the 10 is good experience especially with the loud speakers. So yeah if you can find the 10 in a store I highly recommend getting it.
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I switched from Note 7 to HTC 10, so far the phone is blazing fast. Haven't experienced any lag of any kind unlike Note 7. When typing on the Note 7 you experience the input lag and you have to uninstall apps in order to make the phone fast. While htc 10 you don't have to delete apps to make the phone fast it's already fast. The only thing i miss from the note is the big screen and Samsung pay. Watching videos on the 10 is good experience especially with the loud speakers. So yeah if you can find the 10 in a store I highly recommend getting it.
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I agree with L on the lag. My S7 lagged ALL the time. Funny how a phone with 4 GBs of RAM and an 820 processor is slower to load things up than my Sony Xperia X Performance, which only has 3 GBs of RAM. And yes, all the reviews indicate that both music and call quality is crystal clear on the 10 (which was the same for the previous One series phones by HTC).
I'll admit that Samsung Pay was kinda cool to have, but I'd never stay with Samsung just for that. That's literally the ONLY thing I miss about my S7. lol
Yes check the stores but seriously consider that PayPal Credit option too via the HTC site. That's what I would do. Plus by buying it through their site you get that Uh-Oh Protection, which you WON'T get if you buy it through T-Mobile or even Amazon. And if you don't use Uh-Oh, that's $100 off your next HTC phone, saving you even more money in the future.
I don't have much to add other than I was in your shoes looking to replace my Note 7 and I'm happy I got the HTC 10.
I didn't even know what fast was until I got this phone.
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I had a tough decision between the Note 7 and the HTC 10 before I bought my device. It was before we knew they were all catching on fire, so I was seriously considering the Note 7 as well as the 10.
I pay full retail price on my devices, and money is tight so I have to be quite picky. I'm VERY happy that I chose the HTC 10 myself. The sunshine s off process is amazing, and worth every dime, you don't even have to bother with the bootloader unlock basically, if you go s-off, which I recommend in most cases of users (I have a theory for really wreckless people and s off, it's like drunk drivers, just put them in their own lane, they'll eliminate themselves)
For me, I only full with Android and run devices that I can root and flash on, it's my hobby, and kind of like my cars, I won't pay for something I can't tinker with or fix things I don't like, at least have the option.
While the HTC 10 hasn't been the largest device for custom rom quantity as far as development goes, I think the development quality is better than a lot of devices with way more roms available.
If you don't like HTC sense, and enjoy the HTC interface, I'd recommend a different device personally. You can eliminate HTC sense and run nova launcher, but the base of the rom will be HTC.
The kernels available for the device, if you enjoy flashing and tuning custom kernels, are awesome. All of the kernels I've tried from the development section ran really well, so it's not one of those cases where there's only a few options and they all suck, as some other devices have had, all of these rom and kernel developers have done outstanding.
Now for screen size, if you're buying the Note 7 for a huge screen, I would consider if it's going to be a problem that you only have a semi-huge screen. In my opinion, the screen size is perfect, I can reach everything easily and I don't have huge hands, and the fingerprint reader on the front of the HTC 10 is the ONLY fingerprint reader I've ever used consistently because it's the only one that's ever been implemented so well.
Charlies,
My "bootloader unlocking/rooting" days began & ended 2 years ago with my HTC One M8. At first I loved the extra freedom that comes with that world, but after a while I didn't like it so much b/c you have to do everything manually, so when I upgraded to the Sony Xperia Z3 later that year, that era was done with. Still, I got to upgrade my sound on my T-Mobile M8 from BoomSound to the Sprint Harman/Kardon sound using that process to obtain an H/K mod someone had extracted from the Sprint version. It def made a noticeable improvement in sound quality at the time, and I loved it! I too did the S-Off thing too (but not using Sunshine, I found another way that was free) as it was required in addition to unlocking the bootloader and rooting in order to install that mod. So I guess I was wreckless? lol
I feel like HTC is the only brand that not only lets you unlock the bootloader w/o penalty, but actually SUPPORTS the practice too.
Yes, when I had the HTC 10 that one week in June I recall the fingerprint sensor functioning very well too! I HATE phablets, so the HTC 10 is definitely what I'd go with over the Note anything. lol
F9zSlavik said:
Oh and lastly, I don't see a HTC 10 for tmobile, is there a reason for that?
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Unlocked version is GSM; T-Mo and AT&T are GSM. That's the version I have and I use Ting, which uses T-Mo & AT&T.
Unlocked version direct from htc, nice warranty, unlock support, most recent RUUs available for download, $150 off won me over. I like the phone so far (only had it a week).
Wife loves it. We wanted the Note 7 but we also wanted to live. The Pixel, the S7, and the V20 just aren't worth the cost to us.
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Unlocked version is GSM; T-Mo and AT&T are GSM. That's the version I have and I use Ting, which uses T-Mo & AT&T.
Unlocked version direct from htc, nice warranty, unlock support, most recent RUUs available for download, $150 off won me over. I like the phone so far (only had it a week).
Wife loves it. We wanted the Note 7 but we also wanted to live. The Pixel, the S7, and the V20 just aren't worth the cost to us.
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After that 1 year "Uh-Oh Protection" warranty ends, and you decide you want to keep it beyond the first year, you can do what I did which was get PRIVATE phone insurance for your phone. The 2 best ones are Square Trade and Worth Ave. Group. I went with Worth Ave. Group b/c I liked that they cover thefts too, though not malfunctions. Square Trade is the opposite. But if something goes wrong, just crack the screen and Worth Ave. will replace it anyway. lol And Worth is cheaper too.
Not everyone wants to get a new phone within a year of buying their last one, and not everyone wants or likes a carrier phone, so this is a great option for those people!
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After that 1 year "Uh-Oh Protection" warranty ends, and you decide you want to keep it beyond the first year, you can do what I did which was get PRIVATE phone insurance for your phone. The 2 best ones are Square Trade and Worth Ave. Group. I went with Worth Ave. Group b/c I liked that they cover thefts too, though not malfunctions. Square Trade is the opposite. But if something goes wrong, just crack the screen and Worth Ave. will replace it anyway. lol And Worth is cheaper too.
Not everyone wants to get a new phone within a year of buying their last one, and not everyone wants or likes a carrier phone, so this is a great option for those people!
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Insurance is to cover something one cannot afford to replace. If that's the case, then one shouldn't be buying phones one cannot afford!
Otherwise, my MIL-STD-810G-tested case is my "insurance".
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Insurance is to cover something one cannot afford to replace. If that's the case, then one shouldn't be buying phones one cannot afford!
Otherwise, my MIL-STD-810G-tested case is my "insurance".
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Ok. I guess people shouldn't be buying homes and cars either. lol Just because I can afford something doesn't mean I wanna pay full price to replace it.
Hey, if you decide to get the HTC 10 let me know and I'll pm you a $150 off coupon code that HTC gave me.
In regards to the OP,
If you have the cash to dish out on an unlocked HTC 10 then you will definitely not be disappointed. At this point, HTC is one of the most 'modding friendly' companies left... next to buying a Nexus of course.
But if you don't have the cash i'd recommend getting a refurbished M8. They can be had for $90-$150. My son uses my old M8 now so I keep it updated... currently have S.Team's latest rom. Only areas where my 10 outshines the M8 is the Camera, DAC, & some gaming. In terms of day-to-day performance though, they are identical
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Insurance is to cover something one cannot afford to replace. If that's the case, then one shouldn't be buying phones one cannot afford!
Otherwise, my MIL-STD-810G-tested case is my "insurance".
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Either way, insurance is only beneficial if the phone being replaced is fairly new. I've never tried any private insurance so I can't speak on that. But, you have to meet the deductible (up to $199) to get a phone replaced. You'd be better off using that $199 towards a better phone
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Either way, insurance is only beneficial if the phone being replaced is fairly new. I've never tried any private insurance so I can't speak on that. But, you have to meet the deductible (up to $199) to get a phone replaced. You'd be better off using that $199 towards a better phone
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Yes, it is only worth doing on a new device. I'll agree with you there.
$199? Maybe if you're insuring from AT&T. My insurer, Worth Ave. Group, only charges $50 for the deductible. And my phone is pretty new (purchased in mid to late June).
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Yes, it is only worth doing on a new device. I'll agree with you there.
$199? Maybe if you're insuring from AT&T. My insurer, Worth Ave. Group, only charges $50 for the deductible. And my phone is pretty new (purchased in mid to late June).
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Yea, carriers is what I was referring to... AT&T and Verizon specifically. If it appears to be a manufacturer defect both will replace it for free even after the warranty expires. Ironically, Verizon is a little more lenient than AT&T in that aspect. I'm gonna look into Worth Ave. Group though. I skimmed through the link you gave & so far seems like decent way to go.
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[...] I too did the S-Off thing too (but not using Sunshine, I found another way that was free) as it was required in addition to unlocking the bootloader and rooting in order to install that mod. So I guess I was wreckless? lol
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Please elaborate. Sharing is caring.
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Yea, carriers is what I was referring to... AT&T and Verizon specifically. If it appears to be a manufacturer defect both will replace it for free even after the warranty expires. Ironically, Verizon is a little more lenient than AT&T in that aspect. I'm gonna look into Worth Ave. Group though. I skimmed through the link you gave & so far seems like decent way to go.
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Ok. Yeah Square Trade won't cover theft, but will cover defective phones, where Worth Ave Group is the opposite. To me, if the phone goes bad, I'll just take a hammer to the screen and be done with it, since Worth DOES cover accidental damage and/or cracked screens. lol
I think Worth offers the best bang for your buck too. Plus they have an A+ rating with the BBB. Not much more you can ask for.
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Hey samisax,
I wish I could give you specific information, but the fact is, that was 2 years ago, and I don't remember exactly what I did or how I did it. I just know that in order to install the Harman/Kardon mod that was exclusive to the Sprint HTC One M8 "Harman/Kardon Special Edition" phones (the M8 phones had all the SAME hardware, but Sprint H/K M8s had this software no other carrier or even HTC's unlocked phones did, until this guy created a mod from that software) onto my T-Mobile One M8, I had to unlock the bootloader, root the phone, AND switch "S-On" to "S-Off". The S-Off part was I THINK the hardest? I just remember it took me a few tries and I was up 'til like 2am one night doing it, but then right there I FINALLY got it, and was able to install the mod (amongst other things, but THAT was my priority). I remember definitely noticing an improvement in the already great sound, and being quite happy with the results. And now Harman/Kardon stereo systems are being put into Mercedes Benz cars. lol
I have no interest in going through all that again though. It was a cool "adventure" for 3-4 months there, but then I got tired and what was fun at first started feeling more like work. You have to maintain everything manually when you unlock the bootloader and/or root I learned, and I stopped enjoying that after a while. Not long after.... the Sony Xperia Z3 finally came out, and so I switched to that after about 6 mos with the M8....... and that (Z3) is arguably the best phone I ever had. I had S7 (Samsung.........mehh lol), the HTC 10 for like a week, and now the Sony Xperia X Performance. But the battery life on my Z3 TRUMPS those newer phones in that arena. I think it's really cool though that HTC is so supportive of and pro-modding. They clearly care more about their customers (esp U.S. customers) than Sony Mobile does. I'm seeing that more and more. As mentioned in my one post in this thread, HTC offers the Uh-Oh Protection Plan (and pays you $100 off your next phone if you don't use it)..........they made sure to activate the fingerprint sensor in the U.S. versions of the 10................they made sure to meet T-Mobile's certification requirements for VoLTE (including HD Voice) & Wi-Fi Calling on their unlocked phones................they release their phones in a TIMELY manner in the U.S......................these are all things Sony Mobile is unwilling to do. So in 2017 I may very well switch back. We'll see.

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