...and if you do what kind of case do you use?
Akulamenuri said:
...and if you do what kind of case do you use?
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I use the HTC Messenger Pouch, nothing special, but it does the job its supposed to do & its not bulky...
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Messenger..._1_6?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1296662977&sr=1-6
Yea I used to use a standard hip holster until I got tired of pulling the phone out and putting it back in; now I don't use anything but I occasionally use a clear polycarbonate case when im taking the phone somewhere dangerous (or to cut down on heat when planning to lay down and talking the phone.)
i bought a case for my galaxy S off ebay.
thought it would protect my lovely phone. but instead it gave my phone 3 parallel scratches down the back.
now my phone is bare
Picked up an otterbox defender for my Captivate early this week. On sale from 1to3 Shop or 3to1 Shop or something like that. One of them Amazon deals.
I can't believe how perfect it is. When Ipods came out, I became convinced that Body Glove would rule the protective case market forever. Otterbox leaves them in the dust with the smartPhone cases, IMO.
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Always the slimiest soft silicone available
No, no case, but my phones are always mint condition because they get their own pocket. Nothing else is allowed in that pocket. I don't know how people can pay hundreds for a phone and then drop keys and keychains into the same pocket. I put all keys and loose change in a separate pocket and wallet in another.
No, they are bulky. Never have
No case here either, I find most of them to be too bulky. I'm careful enough, and don't mind the occasional scuff on the back. Screen protector is a must though!
I bought a otterbox defender case for my HTC4 evo. Phone is too expensive not to protect it in some way.
I also find them too bulky.
I go bareback on all of my phones.
Not since GorillaGlass...
yes. I use an Omni case that was on markdown it fits perfectly on my phone
I don't feel the need to use one.
Have too, one waterproof bulky case for outdoor use, and the other a soft pouch for around the house
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I have a T-Mobile G2 and I do not use a case for it because it's made of metal, it looks purdy, and it would be a little too bulky for me.
Don't use cases because of the bulk, I do however have an invisibleShield, just to protect me from scratches.
I love my invisibleshield, and I use the Innocase Active on my DI. My husband and a few friends have the Innocase Surface on their DIs. I started out with a cheap (crappy cheap), Verizon case and holster. Next thing I know my DI is on the asphalt shattered! I still don't know how it happened, I think my purse popped it out of the holster. (it still worked! Screen literally shattered, but I put some saran wrap on it and kept using it til I got my replacement!)
Needless to say I have protected it since. And a good thing too, because it has met the asphalt several more times. But the Seidio Innocase has proven its worth time and time again! And its not terribly bulky like an OtterBox. They do have a rugged case you can put on over your everyday case for those times that may be particularly hazardous to your phone.
Sorry didn't mean to write a sales pitch, I'm just very impressed with how well it protects my phone.
i used to use cases when i had an iphone, but now with my galaxy s I prefer not to use them. mostly because i have difficulty finding a good case that doesnt add a ton of bulk.
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I am not an official tech reviewer, just some dude with an EVO that has tried out several of the popular cases out there, and will offer my opinion for whatever that is worth.
- Body Glove; http://www.htcphones.net/body-glove-snap-on-case-for-htc-evo-4g/
Picked up the day I bought the EVO last Summer. Case looked bad ass in the package, but sucked balls, very cold and hard feeling next to the face, and cracks. Worst case
- Otterbox Impact; http://www.otterbox.com/HTC-EVO-Imp...-EVO4G_color=20&start=3&cgid=htc-evo-4g-cases
It feels great in the hand, and offered great protection, but was just too thick and bulky for my tastes, and sticky feeling, bad for pockets. Good case, just too big
- Otterbox Commuter; http://www.otterbox.com/HTC-EVO-Com...-EVO4G_color=20&start=2&cgid=htc-evo-4g-cases
Got as a gift, nice case, but too slick in the back, the hard plastic finish is too slippery, and again a little bulky for me. Ok case, just too slick and thick.
- Case-Mate Tough; http://www.case-mate.com/HTC-EVO-4G-Cases/Case-Mate-HTC-EVO-4G-Tough-Cases.asp
This case is very nice, two piece design, offers great protection. My little kids did the testing, and it works, sailing off the counter top onto the hardwood floor lots of times, with zero issues And the back rubber feel of it is soooooo nice in the hand, perfect grip. But again a little thick to be putting in jeans and soon shorts for Summer, will stick out too much, and scare the ladies. But this case is a keeper for riding my Mountain Bike, or going to carnival rides. Great case, keeping this.
- Incipio Edge; http://www.myincipio.com/HTC-EVO-4G-Cases-Accessories/Incipio-HTC-EVO-4G-EDGE-Hard-Shell-Case.asp
This is the slimmest of all cases I have had, and I actually like that a lot. I like thin phones, not bricks, and the other cases while nice, were just way too big, making the EVO feel much larger than it already is. The Edge is slim, nice color, and fits in pockets effortlessly. Great case, keeping this.
Out of all the cases I have tried, the "Edge" is my fav, with the Case-mate Tough a very close second. But I have not tried out the Seidio Innocase II yet, how is that ? http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/csr3hev4-wh.htm
You forgot to mention that the silicon for the Otterbox Commuter becomes loose like all other silicone cases and the thin part near the bottom face of the phone looks hideous after it becomes loose and there is no fix for it that I know of.
Each Otterbox case made for this phone has its own special problems and I think Otterbox rushed the design but yet the cases for the Iphone are flawless and look a hell of a lot better. I don't recommend Otterbox to anyone with and Evo at this point unless they change something.
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You forgot to mention that the silicon for the Otterbox Commuter becomes loose like all other silicone cases and the thin part near the bottom face of the phone looks hideous after it becomes loose and there is no fix for it that I know of. Sure you can send it back for a new silicone piece but paying shipping every two or three months is not cool.
Each Otterbox case made for this phone has its own special problems and I think Otterbox rushed the design but yet the cases for the Iphone are flawless and look a hell of a lot better. I don't recommend Otterbox to anyone with and Evo at this point unless they change something.
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you are wrong about the shipping you dont pay one red cent. ive had several otterboxes for ever phone ive had and all ive ever had to do was make a 5 minute max phone call or an email and i get whatever i need in 2-3 days in the mail, Ive never had to send anything back. its so easy its ridicules. as a matter of fact i just called and told em i didn't like the defender case because the kick stand was just too thin(i agree with u on that point that kickstand is horrible thin as a reed) they sent me another defender to replace the broken stand and sent me a commuter case for free. All of this cost me nothing but the time to make the call.
Fact of the matter is if you want a serious case thats gonna give your phone maximum protection any case whether its otterbox ,titan, seido all of em r bulky when you want max protection. its a bit of a trade off as i see it, yea its bulky but my phone looks brand new indefinitely.
Check out trident cyclops, i've always been a big fan of them.
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you are wrong about the shipping you dont pay one red cent. ive had several otterboxes for ever phone ive had and all ive ever had to do was make a 5 minute max phone call or an email and i get whatever i need in 2-3 days in the mail, Ive never had to send anything back. its so easy its ridicules. as a matter of fact i just called and told em i didn't like the defender case because the kick stand was just too thin(i agree with u on that point that kickstand is horrible thin as a reed) they sent me another defender to replace the broken stand and sent me a commuter case for free. All of this cost me nothing but the time to make the call.
Fact of the matter is if you want a serious case thats gonna give your phone maximum protection any case whether its otterbox ,titan, seido all of em r bulky when you want max protection. its a bit of a trade off as i see it, yea its bulky but my phone looks brand new indefinitely.
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You are correct sir, for some reason unknown I was thinking about Zagg and they make you pay for a return. Just got off the phone with Otterbox and they are shipping me a new commuter case, took all of 5 minutes.
No review of Ballistic case?
This has been a telepathic transmission from the Outer Limits.
Well I just ordered the Otterbox Defender Series for my EVO on amazon and I wanted to hear some some toughs. I know about the kickstand problem it has but that does not really bother me. I know the case is huge but that doesn't bother me either since the phone is huge by itself. So forum what are your thoughts on it?
How doe it feel? Does it really protect the phone? Any problems you have had?
I had one....the beltclip kept breaking...even though they replaced it for free it was rather annoying....so i bought a ballistic....had no issues yet
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My honest thoughts? I'm sorry that you wasted $50. It is one of the worst quality cases that I have ever come across.
I liked the Otterbox.......dropped my phone from 4 feet onto my ceramic floor with no damage to the phone; though the holster and kickstand are horrible. But now I have the Ballistic HC.
I have 2 of them, one still in the box. I've never used either of them, I put one on my phone to see how it looked once and took it off and put my commuter back on. They do feel like they would protect the phone quite well but they just feel a bit cheaply made for the price they charge. For me, the commuter is the perfect case, I just wish they sold a holster/belt clip for it. I have heard the Sedio holster for the Active works with it, I just have a hard time paying $30 for just a holster.
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Well I just ordered the Otterbox Defender Series for my EVO on amazon and I wanted to hear some some toughs. I know about the kickstand problem it has but that does not really bother me. I know the case is huge but that doesn't bother me either since the phone is huge by itself. So forum what are your thoughts on it?
How doe it feel? Does it really protect the phone? Any problems you have had?
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I don't believe the camera lens is protected on the case
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I don't believe the camera lens is protected on the case
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It is, there's clear plastic (same material the screen protector is made of) over the camera lens and the LED flash
I have one and use it when im at work, I like it alot the camera lenses and flash are protected and the screen is protected at well. I had a similer case before with no screen protector but the rubber wore through and eventually the clip broke. The otterbox makes the phone considerably more bulky but I sincerely feel like I could drop kick the phone and it would be perfect so the bulk dosent really bother me. Its all about what you need the protection for everyones needs are different
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Well from what you guys have said it seams like its an okay case but its horrible compared to the ballistic. I currently don't have a case on my phone so at least he otterbox will protect it. Now what are the problems with the holster and belt clip? Does the belt clip break easily or what?
I can't personally speak for this case, but I have the commuter case and love it. easy to pull the case on and off but protects it well from the drops and what not it encounters on a daily basis at work. I also can't speak for the ballistic either, but i'll take a look at it now that you guys have mentioned it
The case does live up to the defender series name, theres only 2 issues I have with the case, the kickstand will brake for sure no if's our but's, and the silicone layer has to be constantly adjusted specially after charging. I don't know of any issues with the holster, I just see people complaining on how bulky it is. But that is preference, I like the holster and it seems very well built.
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I had one, def was not too impressed especially how the kickstand had cracks the day after i bought it. Then there were cracks all around the front screen protector. So, i did a warranty claim got a new one and sold it. Picked up a cyclops and very happy with it. I am switching up to the Kraken tho because at my work we get em for $20 so i figured why not. I haven't had personal experience with the Ballistics case yet but if the kraken fails me i may try it.
I've never owned the Defender case for the Evo, but I did have one on an iPhone 3gs. That was a solid case, but the way it was held into the holster wasn't very reassuring. From what I've seen, the Defender for the Evo seems to have a similar problem. It's just not very secure in the holster.
I DO however currently own a Ballistic case, and WOW is it ever solid. It's also VERY securely held in the holster. The biggest downside is that it's very squared off, very bulky, and a little awkward to hold. That's why I put it in the case at work, but take it back out when I'm at home most of the time.
Defender cases are quite a bit more ergonomic, but that doesn't matter for crap if it's gonna fall out of the holster, IMO.
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My honest thoughts? I'm sorry that you wasted $50. It is one of the worst quality cases that I have ever come across.
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ditto, and I hope you didn't spend fifty on it. look me and metalhead agree on something! get the ballistic if you need that much protection.
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Well from what you guys have said it seams like its an okay case but its horrible compared to the ballistic. I currently don't have a case on my phone so at least he otterbox will protect it. Now what are the problems with the holster and belt clip? Does the belt clip break easily or what?
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i think the otter is better then the ballistic, the otter has thicker silcon
Like I said before I use mine at work only, I work for an ambulance company and my phone is subjected to some pretty intense probability for damage but I've had the defender on for like 4 weeks no problems at all and it hasn't fallen out of the holster once I did drop the phone about 5 feet into the snow and and it slid onto the pavement and the phone was totally uneffected I highly recommend the defender!
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Was just wondering if you guys are or are not using a case, holster, ect. for your phone.
if your are using one if you could say which one and maybe some pros/cons, how you like it type of stuff.
I'm currently waiting on the otter box commuter to arrive, I had the incipio case much like the commuter and loved it but felt the commuter would add the extra protection I need.
Naked. I can't find a good case for my Dinc2 with ext battery.
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Case. Really like the new kickstand Verizon case. Sits the phone up AND awesome holder for the finger when using it. Doesnt protect the whole phone though so Im going with the eBay Griffin Reveal look alike for now.
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Naked. I can't find a good case for my Dinc2 with ext battery.
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Naked, for the same reason.
I'm going nude also. I roll with a naked Dinc2 because the slimness was one of the reasons I chose this phone, and since it is on my works company plan, if anything does happen to it I will get a new one no charge (to me that is, my company may get hit with a bill).
Has anybody tried the body glove for the Inc2.
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Running naked. I don't like how cases bulk up the phone. Haven't run with a case for many years now across several devices without incident, and my devices have survived numerous drops.
I have the silicone one from the verizon store naked feels too slippery to me i'm afraid its going to slip out of my hand on the subway. Its doing pretty good. dropped it once on the stairs in the subway and its still fine. the only thing that bothers me is sometimes i have to take the case off to use the headphones jack. can anyone recommend another one? (i like silicone cause it lets me get a good grip on it. too afraid i'd drop it otherwise)
Anybody check out the TPU cases for this phone? I also admire the slimness of the DInc2 and was thinking about this as an alternative to both hard and silicone cases.
Cheap on Amazon too.
EDIT...nvm saw the TPU thread down below. Definitely getting one!
Using the Incipio two piece case half the time, the other half running naked just for the slimness of the phone
Naked.
Look at this phone. It's basically already wearing a case. I mean, I know accidents happen but I feel like this phone was designed to not need one.
I have the otterbox defender series and love it. Adds a lot of bulk if your not into that.
Would love to get there extended battery if they would get a case to fit it.
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Naked.
Look at this phone. It's basically already wearing a case. I mean, I know accidents happen but I feel like this phone was designed to not need one.
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once you scratch that aluminum in the front though you will be sorry. even WITH a case I dropped my phone in between my dashboard in my car and my seat and it scratched the aluminum so I had a nice long scratch of the aluminum. sucks.
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once you scratch that aluminum in the front though you will be sorry. even WITH a case I dropped my phone in between my dashboard in my car and my seat and it scratched the aluminum so I had a nice long scratch of the aluminum. sucks.
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Aluminum? On the earpiece grill? That's the only part I can think of that you're referring to...
the whole front is aluminum from what i saw from the scratch. it sure isn't plastic..
the entire casing besides the back case,, give it a run with ur finger nail, once that starts chipping, or you scratch it you will see what i mean, i could be way off with the aluminum but it sure isnt plastic like inc1
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the whole front is aluminum from what i saw from the scratch. it sure isn't plastic..
the entire casing besides the back case,, give it a run with ur finger nail, once that starts chipping, or you scratch it you will see what i mean, i could be way off with the aluminum but it sure isnt plastic like inc1
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It is something close to aluminum or other soft metal, at least that's what I thought. I also scratched the edge of mine just taking off a mobi hard plastic case I bought. Didn't take much at all to make a scratch.
Now, the back is plastic but made to feel the same as the front but I'm pretty sure it's not.
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It is something close to aluminum or other soft metal, at least that's what I thought. I also scratched the edge of mine just taking off a mobi hard plastic case I bought. Didn't take much at all to make a scratch.
Now, the back is plastic but made to feel the same as the front but I'm pretty sure it's not.
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I agree 100%.
if it's the hard gel case from verizon, I bought mine the day it came out, it was the only gel case they had, but they gave me a full refund as there was a Tech Bulliten out fromm what I read here on the forusms, no receipt or anything and it was a diff store and got my money back so I was happy, cmae home and ordered an ottterbox. sucks just from a case the potential for damage is there. hopefully in a few months we don't have a bunch of complaints about this. I returned my scratched device for a refurb. no charge. told them it happened with a case on it. they had no prblem with refurbing it.
Using a cheap TPU case off Amazon for now. Waiting to find that "perfect" case for my prem-case.
I wish they made these for the DInc2. I would pay big bucks for that.
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Using a cheap TPU case off Amazon for now. Waiting to find that "perfect" case for my prem-case.
I wish they made these for the DInc2. I would pay big bucks for that.
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wood? I wonder how well that would protect that. personally I would never put that on my phone. but it's cool. I am awaiting on the otter box commuter to arrive on Tuesday, and I can say from experience, that otter box is very well made cases, and come with a screen protector if you're into that.. I don't use them, but I will give pictures and a review once the case comes and I use it for a day or two. high quality case, can get it cheap on amazon, and great brand name, that isn't bulky. they also make a defender case, which isn't my style but looks like a truck could run over it and be fine lol.
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commuter - LINK
defender - LINK
Yeah, I used the Seidio for my Eris, and I am considering it for my DInc2. Never been real hot on the Otterbox look, though I haven't seen one in person. I like my cases low profile and simple looking. Maybe I'll meet an Otterbox one day and fall in love.
I don't even care if the wood case broke the first time I dropped it. If I could find a good one I would rock that thing like hobos rock trench coats and buy another if it broke.
I wood pay more for the case than I would the phone.
It's almost perfect. Been inside the TPU since minute one and I cleaned her today. Looking at it and holding the GN caseless was incredible. Slim, thin. Only quibble is that it can be a tad slippery. I'm way to chicken to use it without a case on a regular basis.
Any go GN nude all the time?
I do Why hide such a beauty? The screen is good enough to resist scratches and the back is really good too. After 7 - 8 months if I do notice some wear and tear, I can just order another through eBay for 15 bucks or so..
I got mine yesterday and I don't use a case. I dropped it onto concrete from about 2 feet and it sustained no damage.
Using mine without a case too. I find putting a case on it just ruins the aesthetics and makes the phone thicker.
I get that people use cases for protection, and one thing i can say is that samsung phones are built to be really durable. I dropped my samsung nexus s countless times and it still worked like a champ.
The galaxy nexus feels even more durable so no worries here.
Using mine without a case. I hate cases. Ruin the feel and design of the device. I did order a sleeve (like the one that came with the Nexus One) off ebay. I just need something to protect it while in my pocket. Not worried about drops.
I've never had a case on any of my phones. I'm really careful and I've only dropped a phone once. I think cases make the phone look generic. With that said, being the GN is large and a little slick to handle I decided to get the diztronic case. Plus I wanted to protect my $730 investment.
Its a nice case but it only lasted for about 5 hours before I whipped it off.
Cases just aren't for me I guess!
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Using mine without a case. I hate cases. Ruin the feel and design of the device. I did order a sleeve (like the one that came with the Nexus One) off ebay. I just need something to protect it while in my pocket. Not worried about drops.
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Sorry for going off topic but can you please provide a link to the one you got? I was looking around on eBay / Accessories forum but didn't find anything similar to the one for Nexus One
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Sorry for going off topic but can you please provide a link to the one you got? I was looking around on eBay / Accessories forum but didn't find anything similar to the one for Nexus One
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This is the one I bought: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAP...2&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:US:1123#ht_2629wt_1163
But the listing ended. I emailed the seller when the first listing ended and said I wanted to buy one and he gave me that listing. So it's worth a shot if you're interested.
Caseless here. I just have the protection film on the bottom and sides of the back to protect against scratches.
I'm caseless here as well. Most devices feel the best when you use them without cases.
It's like going condomless. You're more prone to bad stuff but you get to feel it best ;p
But make sure you put screen protection film on. My screen scratched quite badly already. It's pretty hard to notice, but make sure you take a good look at your phone screen under bright light perhaps halogen lights and you'll see all those scratches!
i also go caseless- i put a case on when i am at the gym but thats the only time i use one- i have a screen protector but thats it...
Using mine nude since I got the phone 2 weeks ago. Although seriously thinking of putting a screen protector
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Using mine stark naked although I am considering a matte screen cover that might help reduce the glare in the office.
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Caseless here too. I used to own an iPhone with an Otterbox Defender, and after that, I hated how clunky phones got with cases. These phones are designed to be sleek, and I feel like you take that away when you slap a piece of black TPU or silicone on it.
I'm case-less, except for a screen protector from Zagg. Bought a Diztronic case but it hasn't arrived yet.
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I'm case-less, except for a screen protector from Zagg. Bought a Diztronic case but it hasn't arrived yet.
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Have the Matte one myself. It's a fine TPU product. Caseless though this thing feels like a slab from the future. I wish I wasn't chicken.
I clicked this thread expecting a horror story. "I took the case off, and I dropped it the first day..."
Anyways, if I buy the Galaxy Nexus, I'll probably use it careless. Unlike my stupidly built iPhone, I could actually set the phone down on a table, or drop it, without too much of a problem.
Don't use a case, but I do have it in a pouch. I think its the best of both worlds.. protected from dust and keys and bumps while in my pocket, but looking good when its out and being used!
i dont use a case, i'm currently looking for a pouch so i can sling it in my gym bag though.
My phone is always commando why hide it under a case.
Has anyone ordered the otterbox defender for the Note 4 yet? It is available in black on their site now. I know the case is bulky but I work construction so I need heavy drop protection. I would appreciate any input from owners of how you like the case, also any recommended alternatives to an Otterbox.
I had the otterbox defender for my old note 3. It was amazing at protecting it from falls, drops, and the oppsies. It does add bulk to an already enormous phone, but there's something majestic about it. I also worked construction, and I mistakenly dropped it on a pile of broken concrete from a second floor. It survived without any issues. The bulk, and a little ugly otterbox has superior protection bar none.
Dude I dropped my note three from my hand holding it looking at it...fell kinda slapped it a couple times and the screen shattered in one of those it all depends on how it hits in what postion the force is on the phone....honestly the best constructed ones for protection so far that I've seen are the eBay ones made out of like tire rubber with treads on it...over a plastic inlay...holding the two side by side you can see that the otter box head of marketing is doing his job well and selling an inferior product to the masses then not most but alot of good competition...
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Otterbox has saved more phones than killed. If you are concerned about damaging your phone and you KNOW HOW FRAGILE IT IS...i have a novel idea for you..
LEAVE IT HOME. LEAVE IT IN THE CAR. LEAVE IT ON THE SHELF. LEAVE IT IN THE OFFICE. WHATEVER.
For the rest of us that would like some extra piece of mind...I ordered the Commuter series in silver/black on day of release. hell the website wasn't even updated yet. It still won't arrive til wednesday however even with 2 day shipping .
Why commuter and not defender? I don't need the stupid belt clip. that's the only difference between them.
The built-in screen protector helps.
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Otterbox has saved more phones than killed. If you are concerned about damaging your phone and you KNOW HOW FRAGILE IT IS...i have a novel idea for you..
LEAVE IT HOME. LEAVE IT IN THE CAR. LEAVE IT ON THE SHELF. LEAVE IT IN THE OFFICE. WHATEVER.
For the rest of us that would like some extra piece of mind...I ordered the Commuter series in silver/black on day of release. hell the website wasn't even updated yet. It still won't arrive til wednesday however even with 2 day shipping .
Why commuter and not defender? I don't need the stupid belt clip. that's the only difference between them.
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I had the otterbox defender for my old note 3. It was amazing at protecting it from falls, drops, and the oppsies. It does add bulk to an already enormous phone, but there's something majestic about it. I also worked construction, and I mistakenly dropped it on a pile of broken concrete from a second floor. It survived without any issues. The bulk, and a little ugly otterbox has superior protection bar none.
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http://goo.gl/5f5J2s Hard Shell
http://goo.gl/NzfGyp Soft Cover
At At&t they had this as a package. Soft shell comes with a screen protector which is housed in the hard shell. Couldn't find the all-in-one package on either sites but this is what I picked up from there. It's a little bulky but feels safe.