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GPU?

Ok, now the the 1 Million Dollar question. I'm thinking of my HTC Nike an the whole htcclassaction Issue.
I know the Desire has an 600 MHz DSP for decoding 720p video. I know Qualcomm states that the Snapdragon does have "High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec".
I know Android 2.1 supports OpenGL ES 2.
But does the Desire have an own GPU for 3D, Graphics and GUI like the Iphone (no, I don't like the Iphone) or does it run things like Android GUI or 3D in Software?
I'm planning to buy a Desire next week, but if HTC misses again, it would be an huge point against the Desire (at least for me).

Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.

The Snapdragon can't match the OMAP 3460 in 3D performance unfortunately. Thankfully for us though, snapdragon android phones are WAY more numerous than OMAP phones so most games will be optimized for the Snapdragon

Wow, that really sucks. So i think i will wait until there is a smartphone with Tegra or maybe Tegra 2. But thanks for you reply.

If you want pure (graphics) performance you should skip qualcomm-enabled devices.
See video comparison (ToonWarz)
HTC Desire (qualcom snapdragon 1ghz + Adreno 200 GPU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVzkank7iOw
Motorola Milestone (ARM Cortex 8 550Mhz + PowerVR GPU) - min 4:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-XaaQXIxw
You can wait till Samsung Galaxy S and see how it performs.. even if i hate samsung custom UI and all iphone copying stuff
L.E.
Another example (Asphalt 5)
- Motorola Milestone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUlsfP38lSM
- HTC Desire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIEwlL73utM
As you can see the performance is better in good old Motorola Milestone.
In general, you can skip HTC cos' they always use the cheapest piece of hardware. And that's not only related to SoC (CPU, GPU) but also related to display (see the multitouch bug, a lot of videos there - Motorola Milestone doesn't suffer for this). The things I will mis about HTC are the Sense UI and trackball. Otherwise, screw htc.

OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.

Hirsch2k said:
OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.
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Neocore is Qualcomm optimized so it will always outperform the Milestone. In raw 3d power, the milestone can perform better.

Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.

Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed

Hirsch2k said:
Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I wouldn't bother.
Developers back the majority and the majority is Snapdragon powered phones, not OMAP and not whatever chip Samsung is using.

sonyxperia2 said:
Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed
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You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly

DSF said:
You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly
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Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.

chrism_scotland said:
Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.
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Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Both the Snapdragon processor (Qualcomm) in the Desire, and the OMAP processor (TI) in the iPhone/Droid have integrated GPUs as part of the SoC (system on a chip).
However, the PowerVR GPU in the TI processor is more capable than the Imageon GPU in the Qualcomm.
Regards,
Dave

Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.

Nekromantik said:
Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.
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Sony (NOT SONY ERICSSON) are apparently planning on releasing a PSP phone sometime late 2010 or early 2011 from a few unconfirmed reports. That sounds like it would be a beast of a phone. I'd imagine Sony would just have the PSP OS running alongside Android or maybe they're developing a proprietary OS that runs PSP games as well as functions as a phone.

abc27 said:
Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.
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Games, in general, are using OpenGL which is standard. Qualcomm Snapdragon is similar to ARM Cortex A8: FPU, NEON etc. (see http://www.dspdesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204700527 )
So I'm sure that a game optimized for snapdragons will work (if not better) also on a powerVR/arm cortex a8 solution.

Many cool games are available for Android and upcoming.
Unfortunately HTC is using the cheap SoC from qualcomm so due the poor GPU the games aren't running smothly.
You can see here a comparison of Gangstar West Coast Hustle
- Nexus One (same hardware as Desire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZtM6YK9zo
- Motorola Milestone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJwONg9UP0
As you can see the game runs way better in good old Motorola Milestone. And that's not the most powerful GPU on the mobile world.
And here you can see the Samsung Galaxy S in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4N7QAlHd4
Clearly I will not get a HTC+Qualcomm SoC (this combination) again. GG competition.
+ Those phones are not affected of the multitouch bug that is present on so many HTC devices (and many htc devices are dual touch).
htc = cheap capacitive layer, cheap soc => expensive device. does it deserve this? actually they are smart.. using cheap hardware and sell the device overpriced.
@abc27 actually HTC (also Apple on their iPhone) is using many components from Samsung, for eg: displays, ram modules... Samsung it's a top semiconductors company.. So Samsung is not a cheap company. But I have to agree, their software customizations are awful

[Q] HTC Wildfire VS Samsung GT-i5500 VS Huawei Ideos U8150

Hi Everybody!
Someone could please tell me why these two smartphones are a lot faster than our wildfire?
I don't think it depends on the CPU frequency because they are faster also versus the overclocked wildfire.
On these smartphones, in example, angry birds runs better than well! You can find gameplays on youtube!
I tryied playing on a gt-i5500 and the gameplay it's like on the iphone
I don't think these smartphones have a GPU...
So, why the wildfire, which cost a lot more, is so slow??? Please help me to understand

Wildfire costs more because of the brand. For example, a SOny TV is much more expensive than a LG of the same specs because of the brand`s name and history.

ok!
now, why it is so slow?

Its because it uses a very old CPU, with no GPU, and, utilizes the Sense Interface, which requires a lot of processing power.

the gt-i5500 and the ideos both have GPU?

marlock87 said:
the gt-i5500 and the ideos both have GPU?
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Ideos doesn't
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so, wildfire with cyanogenmod (no SENSE) with overclock should be faster than ideos
but you can see that this is not true!
i would like to understand how much this slowness is hardware or software related, because if it is software related ( opengl driver, ecc) maybe can be fixed
what do you think?

The wildfire cannot do angry birds due to the lack if gpu it is reallllly low framerate
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I think it's because i5500 has much smaller screen and therefore resolution. The same processor can faster reload images, because it requires less computing.

Mino_32 said:
I think it's because i5500 has much smaller screen and therefore resolution. The same processor can faster reload images, because it requires less computing.
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The i5500 does have a smaller screen (2.8" vs 3.2"), but, the resolution is the same (240x320), which implies the number of pixels on the screen are the same.

Huawei U8150 according to http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u8150_ideos-3513.php
"528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset"

TH3KiD said:
Huawei U8150 according to http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u8150_ideos-3513.php
"528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset"
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Ideos has an overclock CPU (made directly by Huawei) at 600Mhz.

I am saying that it has a GPU named "ADRENO 200"

interesting, could they (gmsarena) be wrong about this? so practically wildfire is as lame as ideos in gaming huh? well im just saying, they got that 3d game in their ads.. sucks tho.. im liking this ideos thing so far..

ch.wirapraja said:
interesting, could they (gmsarena) be wrong about this? so practically wildfire is as lame as ideos in gaming huh? well im just saying, they got that 3d game in their ads.. sucks tho.. im liking this ideos thing so far..
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They are. There is no GPU in the wildfire, and, it sucks at gaming. It should be your last priority if you intend to play even remotely taxing games, even ones like Angry Birds.
I don't know about the Ideos, but, there again I think GSMArena is wrong. AFAIK, MSM7225 does not support GPU's. Only 7227 does, which is rated at 600MHz. So, if as another member said, that it ships at 600MHz, there is a possibility is uses the 7227 instead of the 7225.

3xeno said:
They are. There is no GPU in the wildfire, and, it sucks at gaming. It should be your last priority if you intend to play even remotely taxing games, even ones like Angry Birds.
I don't know about the Ideos, but, there again I think GSMArena is wrong. AFAIK, MSM7225 does not support GPU's. Only 7227 does, which is rated at 600MHz. So, if as another member said, that it ships at 600MHz, there is a possibility is uses the 7227 instead of the 7225.
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so which is faster? ideos or galaxy 5?

[Q] Thoughts on 'weak' GPU?

Hi
Noob here. Was just wondering what the general consensus was on the 'old' GPU that the Galaxy Nexus will be supplied with. It isn't as powerful as say, the Galaxy S2 or the iPhone4s, but will this have an overall effect on how the phone performs in day to day use? Will it only effect the high end games that are currently available? I'm seriously tempted by this phone - mainly due to the lovely looking ICS but I'm concerned I may regret purchasing if there are serious issues with the GPU.
Cheers.

I am presuming the GPU is clocked all the way up to 384Mhz like the chip's specification says, if not then curses to Google.
TBH I believe it'll be fine, although it is an old GPU it is still quite a powerful one and can handle almost every game fine. Tegra 2 is generally a weaker GPU than SGX540 @ 200 and can still manage games just fine at 1280 x 800, I don't see why the SGX540 @ 384 can't do that. Although we'll never know for sure until we get the phone.

I'll quote myself from the other thread here:
Here's a lovely anecdote: I use an Eyefinity (three-monitor) setup on my gaming rig. It's a general rule of thumb that (compared to a single 1080p monitor) adding an additional 1080p monitor will reduce your performance by about 30%. A third 1080p monitor will reduce your performance to about 50% that of a single-screen setup.
Now consider, the Nexus Prime has about 2.4 times the number of pixels as the Nexus S. If the same formula as a desktop GPU holds true for mobiles, we could expect about a 40% loss in 3D performance. Now the GPU has been clocked up about 92%. It's throughput is now approaching double that of the Galaxy S, when it needed only make up a 40% defecit. Of course if you consider diminishing returns from clockspeed scaling, the [email protected] should perform at 720p about as well as it did at 200MHz and 480p. /shrug
The usual disclaimer: this was all conjecture on my part.
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Like I said, that's just my theory, and it's got no real grounding (since I haven't used the new Nexus yet.)

Hope you guys are right, of course I'm not going to hold you to it, I just would like to have seen fresh architecture.
If we get a kernel, or I should say when we get a kernel that allows overclocking, does that only OC the CPU cores or will it OC the GPU even more?
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And while you guys are skeptical of a gpu more powerful than the Geforce on the Tegra 2, which has its own games zone dedicated to it's well-known-to-be-awesome-or-atleast-marketed-well performance, I'm rocking an Adreno 200 powering a thoroughly shattered-yet-still-working-perfectly 4.3" WVGA standard LCD display. That powervr is probably more powerful than my Geforce3 ti 200 on my desktop.
I need a refresh.

Andreno200 < Adreno205 < [email protected] < [email protected] < or = Adreno 220
The Andreno 205 is 2X the 200, but the SGX is around 1.5X Adreno205, 220 is 2X Andreno205...So [email protected] is similar to Andreno 220 at same res, but slower at 720P?

I think it's stupid that people think it's weak because:
* It isn't brand new
* They've never seen it clocked like it is and/or matched with the OMAP processor it's matched with.
* Have never played a game optimized for it
* Can't name a game/movie/program that will run on something else but not the combination mentioned above
* Assume that superficial benchmark results mean much in real world applications
The entire conversation is like talking about a way to make your race car's top speed go from 210mph to 230mph on a track that is designed to make it impossible to go faster than 175mph.
For the last time, this is NOT the same GPU that is in the SGS.

Dragooon123 said:
I am presuming the GPU is clocked all the way up to 384Mhz like the chip's specification says, if not then curses to Google.
TBH I believe it'll be fine, although it is an old GPU it is still quite a powerful one and can handle almost every game fine. Tegra 2 is generally a weaker GPU than SGX540 @ 200 and can still manage games just fine at 1280 x 800, I don't see why the SGX540 @ 384 can't do that. Although we'll never know for sure until we get the phone.
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You got it wrong there dude, SGX 540 @304 Mhz is equal or +1 to 2 % faster then the Geforce ULP GPU @800x480( Note that this can be because of the Dual channel memory the 4430 soc uses (optimus 3d)). Also the ULP Geforce does not work the same way as the SGX. Geforce ULP has the tendency to not get major performance hits when resolution gets bigger hence why all tablets use Tegra 2(Got a source for this however cant find it right now), it was Nvidias plan all along to grab the Tablet market.
I hope the extra Mhz helps the sgx 540 to perform well on the galaxy nexus when it comes to Games and so on. If it doesn't there are tricks to bypass things and get good performance in gaming however it up to google/samsung to implement them

I'm looking forward to try the phone myself when it hits the stores, and hope it'll be ok...

taxas said:
You got it wrong there dude, SGX 540 @304 Mhz is equal or +1 to 2 % faster then the Geforce ULP GPU @800x480( Note that this can be because of the Dual channel memory the 4430 soc uses (optimus 3d)). Also the ULP Geforce does not work the same way as the SGX. Geforce ULP has the tendency to not get major performance hits when resolution gets bigger hence why all tablets use Tegra 2(Got a source for this however cant find it right now), it was Nvidias plan all along to grab the Tablet market.
I hope the extra Mhz helps the sgx 540 to perform well on the galaxy nexus when it comes to Games and so on. If it doesn't there are tricks to bypass things and get good performance in gaming however it up to google/samsung to implement them
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That might be the case but I saw SGX540 outperforming tegra at 720p, so even then at a tablet resolution the SGX540 doesn't fail to perform. Regardless, the gpu in galaxy nexus is nothing short of high end and should perform fine.
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...and Tegra isn't that great either!

Regardless of whether the phone is fast or not, there is the overwhelming feeling that it could have been better. I think most people wanted a 543MP2 or if it were possible, the 543MP4+ (it isn't) on th Vita.
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There is no soc out yet apart from the A5 with the 543mp2, the lead time on a soc is huge, i mean they were designing the OMAP 4460 back in 2009 or earlier (first mentions in white papers of the 4460 where in Feb 2009) but i am sure they where working on it before then.
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veyka said:
There is no soc out yet apart from the A5 with the 543mp2, the lead time on a soc is huge, i mean they were designing the OMAP 4460 back in 2009 or earlier (first mentions in white papers of the 4460 where in Feb 2009) but i am sure they where working on it before then.
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True. We know that the new A15s have been in development since at least 2009.
The Omap 5430 has a 544MPx; we don't know how many cores.
I suppose there was no alternative except the Exynos?
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sauron0101 said:
True. We know that the new A15s have been in development since at least 2009.
The Omap 5430 has a 544MPx; we don't know how many cores.
I suppose there as no alternative except the Exynos?
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Well there is Exynos, OMAP or snapdragon for current generation soc's.
OMAP and exynos are S9 cores. Snapdragon is kinda A8 with extra SIMD performance.
That's generally why snapdragon gets out performed clock for clock by A9+neon designs (that's why a 1.5ghz snapdragon eg sensation xl gets or tmob USA sgs2 is out performed by a 1.2ghz exynos.
I am more happy with OMAP than snapdragon that's for sure.
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A lot of people seem to bemoaning the fact that this phone doesn't have a 1.5Ghz Exynos 4212 or even the 4210. The big worry is that the chip may not run well at 1280x720, hence the "lag" we saw in the leak videos.
There is disagreement on if the Mali 400 or the SGX 540 is better (at this clock anyways), but there seems to be a consensus that the Exynos is a faster CPU than the OMAP 4. I suppose that a few were hoping for a ARM Cortex A15 with a 2-core SGX 554. No such a SOC currently exists sadly.
I am also hopeful that there have been some software optimizations in Ice Cream that could improve performance.
Part of me wonders if Google should do what Apple did - get its own semiconductor design department and outsource the actual fab. It seems to be offering Apple a competitive advantage of sorts.

my thoughts are that i don't care.
eric b

veyka said:
Well there is Exynos, OMAP or snapdragon for current generation soc's.
OMAP and exynos are S9 cores. Snapdragon is kinda A8 with extra SIMD performance.
That's generally why snapdragon gets out performed clock for clock by A9+neon designs (that's why a 1.5ghz snapdragon eg sensation xl gets or tmob USA sgs2 is out performed by a 1.2ghz exynos.
I am more happy with OMAP than snapdragon that's for sure.
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Agreed. Better Omap 4 than Scorpion.
Apparently there are also a few people who were hoping for a Tegra 3. It might have been doable (and I stress the might), as the new Asus Transformer Prime is rumoured to carry Kal El.
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TBH the GPU and CPU are more than capable off handling the gui, its not like they are pulling out a fully 3D gui, even if the resolution is bumped the hardware should still be able handle it without breaking a sweat. It's only the games where the doubt arises.

sauron0101 said:
Agreed. Better Omap 4 than Scorpion.
Apparently there are also a few people who were hoping for a Tegra 3. It might have been doable (and I stress the might), as the new Asus Transformer Prime is rumoured to carry Kal El.
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I am not sure if kal el is ready yet, i dont think the transformer prime is due till q1 2012, and I'm sure if the smartphone Tegra 3 is ready as well.
And Tegra 2 doesn't even have neon!
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[Q] GPU comparison Mali400 vs Adreno 225 vs Adreno 320

Hi,
I am planning to swap my Note 2 and GFs S3 with either Xperia T or Nexus 4
Nexus is the best when it comes to gaming with its superb GPU but it has its own problems like performance drops due to heating, cracking class, relatively worse screen, lack of SD card slot etc.
So I am firstly thinking of Sony devices as they have almost zero manufacturing defects unlike cracking, heating LG or burn-in suffering and eMMc frying Samsung
I use the CPU at 1200 Mhz since it is not necessary for todays needings. But GPU is important for future games and I am afraid our mali 400 is outdated.
When we compare 3 GPUs with GLBenchmark Adreno 320 wins all rounds but things are complicated between Adreno 225 and mali 400.
Mali 400 is not exceeding 19FPS (normally 17) no matter how much i OC or what resolution I choose on the Egypt 2.5 test. Adreno 225 scores 22-23 FPS on 720p without OCing.
Things change when we compare older 2.1 Egytp test. With Xperia T on both onscreen or offscreen scores goes pretty low behind Note 2.
It gets more interesting when I run Egytp 2.5 with 4xAA. Note 2 barely gets effected from it and it still gives the 17FPS. Apperiently the part which makes the AA is not where Mali 400 is bottle necked. On the other hand Adreno 225 gets slower on the AA side and gets 16FPS.
I understand that the Adreno is newer so is Egytp 2.5 test. But which one should i take into account for the future gaming?
And more importantly should I make the swap?
Thanks for reading.

Honestly speaking I doubt it will make much noticeable difference with games for this year. It has managed to run smoothly at every game I've thrown at my note 2. I think its best if you stick with your note and your gf S3 for the time being. Its funny tho I got my wife an S3 and myself the Note 2. She got envious until she used my phone with one hand and dropped it twice, since then she's quite happy sticking with her S3.-_-
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You are thinking about Nexus 4 - where can you actually get one? Last time I checked it's been sold out everywhere. If it's not available to buy, then it's an easy choice

I dont think you will
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Hey dude..i will tell.you my own experience:
Last year i boughy my first Android Device which was Sony Xperia S...it was the..no 1 at high end devices...it beated every phone.
It has a snapdragon.S4 1.5 ghz dual core.
Adreno.320 gpu.
Honestly at stock ...and even after rooting and overclocking....nothing run smoother then it was already.
But i put it in his box because these high end specs..didnt give the phone enough juice the whole day just using it for chatting.
Then i saw the new note 2..woow..the biggest point that i bought my note 2 was..the battery at first...and the big screen..and the secs.
I bought every high end game on the market..Asphalt 7..finished..moderm combat 4..at 2nd level playing...nova 3 finished..and my loved first fps game shadowgun...i also installed back stap hd...and gt racing..max payne ..gta 3 and vice city....believe me not for a second the games hanged anywhere...they where soo smooth and without lags.
Your note 2 will last you at least 2 more years for high end games.
It is the best phone on the market.
Best regards.
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zdravke said:
You are thinking about Nexus 4 - where can you actually get one? Last time I checked it's been sold out everywhere. If it's not available to buy, then it's an easy choice
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This made the choice very very easy for me!

_delice_doluca_ said:
Hi,
I am planning to swap my Note 2 and GFs S3 with either Xperia T or Nexus 4
Nexus is the best when it comes to gaming with its superb GPU but it has its own problems like performance drops due to heating, cracking class, relatively worse screen, lack of SD card slot etc.
So I am firstly thinking of Sony devices as they have almost zero manufacturing defects unlike cracking, heating LG or burn-in suffering and eMMc frying Samsung
I use the CPU at 1200 Mhz since it is not necessary for todays needings. But GPU is important for future games and I am afraid our mali 400 is outdated.
When we compare 3 GPUs with GLBenchmark Adreno 320 wins all rounds but things are complicated between Adreno 225 and mali 400.
Mali 400 is not exceeding 19FPS (normally 17) no matter how much i OC or what resolution I choose on the Egypt 2.5 test. Adreno 225 scores 22-23 FPS on 720p without OCing.
Things change when we compare older 2.1 Egytp test. With Xperia T on both onscreen or offscreen scores goes pretty low behind Note 2.
It gets more interesting when I run Egytp 2.5 with 4xAA. Note 2 barely gets effected from it and it still gives the 17FPS. Apperiently the part which makes the AA is not where Mali 400 is bottle necked. On the other hand Adreno 225 gets slower on the AA side and gets 16FPS.
I understand that the Adreno is newer so is Egytp 2.5 test. But which one should i take into account for the future gaming?
And more importantly should I make the swap?
Thanks for reading.
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aloush5592 said:
Hey dude..i will tell.you my own experience:
Last year i boughy my first Android Device which was Sony Xperia S...it was the..no 1 at high end devices...it beated every phone.
It has a snapdragon.S4 1.5 ghz dual core.
Adreno.320 gpu.
Honestly at stock ...and even after rooting and overclocking....nothing run smoother then it was already.
But i put it in his box because these high end specs..didnt give the phone enough juice the whole day just using it for chatting.
Then i saw the new note 2..woow..the biggest point that i bought my note 2 was..the battery at first...and the big screen..and the secs.
I bought every high end game on the market..Asphalt 7..finished..moderm combat 4..at 2nd level playing...nova 3 finished..and my loved first fps game shadowgun...i also installed back stap hd...and gt racing..max payne ..gta 3 and vice city....believe me not for a second the games hanged anywhere...they where soo smooth and without lags.
Your note 2 will last you at least 2 more years for high end games.
It is the best phone on the market.
Best regards.
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xperia s has s3 and adreno 220....

Lenovo Vibe K5 Plus seemingly slow on most games?

Hello there!
I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this. My friend has a Cloudphone Thrill Plus which has 1.3GHz MediaTek MT6580 quad-core CPU while our Vibe K5 Plus has 1.2GHz Octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 616.
My phone has an Antutu Score of 40780 while my friend only has 24850.
Vainglory runs at 30-50 FPS at Low settings while my friend runs it at 25-30 FPS at the same settings.
BUT, here's where it gets mysterious.
Alto's Adventure (A 2D game) runs a little slow on my phone, while his runs it flawlessly
Injustice: God's Among Us (A 3D game) runs flawlessly on his phone, while mine is a little bit sluggish
Dream League Soccer (A 3D game) runs flawlessy on his phone, while my phone can barely get to 30FPS with that game.
Same with Mortal Kombat X (3D), Space Marshals 2 (3D) and other seemingly low-end games.
My phone's GPU and CPU is set to max clock at performance governors.
I am rooted and currently using MIUI 8.
BRIEF SUMMARY:
Phone performs poorly when compared to lower-end phones.
FOR REFERENCE:
Here is a comparison of the 2 CPU's
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com...k-MT6580-vs-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-616-MSM8939v2
Are we missing something here? Or is my phone fake/bugged?
If this is a widespread problem, let's fix this, If I am the only one having it, then I don't know, please help.

When it comes to in-game performance, a processor isn't everything there is. If your friend has a 720p screen, that's what's causing most of the performance boosts. Rendering at 1080p is a taxing task, and will take a lot of processing power from both the set of processors and the GPU. Another factor to take into account is the amount of RAM available for a game's process.
In my opinion, if you're looking for performance, you shouldn't be using a MIUI ROM to begin with. Switch to AOSP-based or LineageOS-based ROMs, and try experimenting with custom kernels. There's always a possibility of your phone having a manufacturing defect or simply being fake, but that is extremely unlikely.

He has a bigger screen than me, I have 3GB ram and he only has 1.5
I have tried different roms but they still give the same result.
It's possible that My device might be rendering at 1080p while his is at 480p or 720p even though he has a bigger screen.
If so, then how can I change my screen to 720p?

I'm hesitating about changing to Nougat since benchmarks show that Marshmallow still performs better

Okay so I downloaded a resolution changer, but it messes with the off-screen hardware buttons, is there a way to retain the hardware buttons while on a lower resolution?

TriMelonPie said:
Okay so I downloaded a resolution changer, but it messes with the off-screen hardware buttons, is there a way to retain the hardware buttons while on a lower resolution?
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hey bro, Is it real that you got a cloudfone thrill plus 16GB phone? I actually rooted my just a few days ago, can you give me some links on where to find some good rom? and why is it that we are not having our own thread? we are actually sharing to lenovo sections here. thanks in advance.

TriMelonPie said:
Hello there!
I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this. My friend has a Cloudphone Thrill Plus which has 1.3GHz MediaTek MT6580 quad-core CPU while our Vibe K5 Plus has 1.2GHz Octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 616.
My phone has an Antutu Score of 40780 while my friend only has 24850.
Vainglory runs at 30-50 FPS at Low settings while my friend runs it at 25-30 FPS at the same settings.
BUT, here's where it gets mysterious.
Alto's Adventure (A 2D game) runs a little slow on my phone, while his runs it flawlessly
Injustice: God's Among Us (A 3D game) runs flawlessly on his phone, while mine is a little bit sluggish
Dream League Soccer (A 3D game) runs flawlessy on his phone, while my phone can barely get to 30FPS with that game.
Same with Mortal Kombat X (3D), Space Marshals 2 (3D) and other seemingly low-end games.
My phone's GPU and CPU is set to max clock at performance governors.
I am rooted and currently using MIUI 8.
BRIEF SUMMARY:
Phone performs poorly when compared to lower-end phones.
FOR REFERENCE:
Here is a comparison of the 2 CPU's
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com...k-MT6580-vs-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-616-MSM8939v2
Are we missing something here? Or is my phone fake/bugged?
If this is a widespread problem, let's fix this, If I am the only one having it, then I don't know, please help.
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This is one more post that confirms that benchmark scores doesn't mean s**t in real life. Don't trust benchmarks, on all phones I had roms with lowest scores gave the best performance.