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I would suggest that the Desire forum be combined with the Nexus One and called Bravo. They are the same device with a couple small variations. Other devices (Universal comes to mind) had hardware variants but were not broken out into 2 sub forums.
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It's a different phone though, it has Sense UI and more Ram.
It's like the G1 and HTC Magic being the same apart from the Magic having no keyboard... they still have different forums.
Sense UI is a software front end (and ALL variants have different software). And the Universal also has different versions, some with double the RAM of others. It is the same device, same platform, same hardware. Since you can install the Nexus One ROM on the Desire with NO porting, it's the same device. They also have identical hardware specs with the exception of a little more RAM to accommodate Sense and the optical joystick.
The Magic and G1 were completely different in the sense that one had a keyboard and one did not. If the Desire had a physical keyboard, I'd agree with you.
This will do nothing but segment development and resources.
But it is different hardware, considering the 64mb more ram and the missing second mic and the hard buttons instead of soft touch buttons and the optical mouse.
And the porting, i think there was some kind of changes, or why else is there already alpha version 7 when not cause of the bugs?
Is this enough different hardware to give it its own forum?
Also i´m quite sure, that rooting might be kind of harder than on the nexus, or does anybody know something about it yet?
so should the developer versions of Google phones get their own forum? HTC has slightly changed devices throughout it's history but we've never given them their own subforum.
e.g.
The HTC Kaiser has a front facing camera. AT&T's does not. Did the Tilt get it's own forum?
The original Universal had 64MB of RAM. The updated T-Mobile version has 128. Did it get it's own forum?
The HTC 620, 621, and 622 had differences, one didn't have WiFi, the others did.
The HTC Wizard is different enough between some versions that if you flash a ROM from one on to the other, it will kill it.
Some devices have Sense, some do not. Should they get their own forums? And what happens if the ones that didn't suddenly get SenseUI in an update. Do they lose their own forums?
Look, I don't own XDA and those that do can certainly do what they want. But I've gone through the FCC documents and looked at the ROMimages between the two. They are the same device with differences exactly like the examples I used above (and there are many more). Segmenting the two only hampers development efforts.
-Mc
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The HTC 620, 621, and 622 had differences, one didn't have WiFi, the others did.
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Not only that, but the S640. Telus only device, different chasis then those, CDMA, but some people were saying it should be lumped in with the other 6XX line.
I don't know about you but the HTC Sapphire Forums is littered between 32A and 32B ROMs.
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I don't know about you but the HTC Sapphire Forums is littered between 32A and 32B ROMs.
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Agreed... N1/Desire should be kept seperate!
Especially since they probaly do not share hboots and radios... So keeping the forums seperate minimizes risks of people flashing wrong stuff (as was seen on 32A/B quite often)
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Agreed... N1/Desire should be kept seperate!
Especially since they probaly do not share hboots and radios... So keeping the forums seperate minimizes risks of people flashing wrong stuff (as was seen on 32A/B quite often)
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They DO share hboots and radios. They are the same phone. That's my point. Next, we'll start new sub forums for different case colors or carriers or logos or...
If they share radio/hboot they can flash the same ROMs without porting? If that is so, they should have the same section in my opinion.
The partition layouts are different on the devices. So no...you cant just take a rom from one and have it work straight away.
People have managed to get Desire Roms running on the n1, but they had to move system data to the data partition to do so.
The Desire is also unlikley to be rootable via unlocking the bootloader. If we put both devices in one section it would just confuse the nooblets.
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If we put both devices in one section it would just confuse the nooblets.
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Man if we used THAT as a compass around here, we'd be better off closing the site entirely. You can confuse them no matter what you do. Again, look at the Universal threads. Different RAM sizes but both versions lived happily ever after in the same forum. This site was NEVER intended for newbs. It shouldn't. If it did, most of us would leave.
How much do you guys wanna bet that many ROM's will be made in Nexus1 and Desire flavors. How many LITE ROMS have you seen on XDA? A lite ROM will work on either device without ANY porting or special mods. Why not have them in the same thread/forum?
I think if their roms are cross compatible, why not have the development sections mergered? They could have separate sections but once some1 clicks on development for N1 or Desire they are lead to the same page.
yes this could be the best as i see it. there are differences, radio buttons etc,,, there might be other differences for general question etc. but if the two of them have the same structure for roms then maedhros suggested the best, why not having them into one development section!
if any1 can proove for me that they share the exact same spl, radio and partition layout then im on it! as it could be the last extra rams that have been used for the /system partition else i think it is like mixing up da hero and sapphire as they are close, but biggest difference is software based
I agree that If the 2 are proved to be identical in development terms upon the desires release, then the forums could be merged, with perhaps a couple of stickies at the top explaining what you need to do to root the phone before you can use the roms. However this should not be done until this proven conclusively on a released phone.
IF roms that can be used on both devices using the same unlocking techniques become a reality, i will take this suggestion up with administration.
(But that won't be soon)
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Man if we used THAT as a compass around here, we'd be better off closing the site entirely. You can confuse them no matter what you do. Again, look at the Universal threads. Different RAM sizes but both versions lived happily ever after in the same forum. This site was NEVER intended for newbs. It shouldn't. If it did, most of us would leave.
How much do you guys wanna bet that many ROM's will be made in Nexus1 and Desire flavors. How many LITE ROMS have you seen on XDA? A lite ROM will work on either device without ANY porting or special mods. Why not have them in the same thread/forum?
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This is an absolute appalling comment. Condescending and unhelpful. Everyone has to start at some point and a vast silent majority of people visit the site to learn and root... Unless one can prove that you cannot harm one of the devices by using a ROM for the other, the threads should be separated, even if it cost a few duplicates...
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This is an absolute appalling comment. Condescending and unhelpful. Everyone has to start at some point and a vast silent majority of people visit the site to learn and root... Unless one can prove that you cannot harm one of the devices by using a ROM for the other, the threads should be separated, even if it cost a few duplicates...
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You either took it wrong or are being a troll. XDA is a developers and hackers forum. We are all newbs at some point but this forum isn't designed for the newb. It's designed for the hacker/developer. I'm not ripping on newbs for being newbs. Hell, I'm a newb again as I just got my AT&T Nexus One yesterday - my first Android phone. But I'm reading and searching and won't have a reason to ask a question for quite some time. All of the information is already here on XDA. Newbs are welcome but we expect them to SEARCH and READ before asking a lot of questions. Some do, some don't. But if we dumbed down the forum, it would ruin it. There'd be so much crap to wade through and so many duplicate threads it'd be too time consuming to do so. THAT was my point.
Maybe we should have separate Desire forums for the silver version and a separate forum for the charcoal version. That should help, right? Because newbs who don't read are going to ask over and over if the ROM being discussed will work on their particular color of Desire. And that won't make anything confusing, right? Some ROMS posted in one forum and some posted in the other (just like the Desire vs. Nexus One). People will continually ask if the ROM will work on their device because it was in a different forum.
And FYI, you can harm the device just as easy using the correct ROM on the same device, or by running a simple command, or... If they read everything before they start, they will have no problems. If they don't read, well, we can't hold their hands.
This forum is catered to experienced hackers. We will help newbs through every part of every process, but this is still a forum for experienced hackers. If you don't like that, find a place that spoon feeds or does things for you. And if this place ever turns into a forum that spoon feeds and everyone asks to do things for them, most of us will surely leave. Then who will help them?
the question is why not?
Why is it important to you to keep them in one section? are you thinking about server space utilizing ?
I mean what is the harm of making them in separate sections (what is the harm to you)?
Is there some sort of comparison table listing the differences between each custom ROM? So many to choose from, not sure which to use.
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Is there some sort of comparison table listing the differences between each custom ROM? So many to choose from, not sure which to use.
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trie them all like we all did
Well you guys are lucky... us CDMA users have to pick through all your roms even though they are 100% useless to us.
No, as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) there isn't. But feel free to make one
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Is there some sort of comparison table listing the differences between each custom ROM? So many to choose from, not sure which to use.
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He he, I know what you mean. I did start to do one, but it quickly got too complicated. My advice is read post#1 of each rom thread to see what functionality is available and try to decide what the top 2 or 3 must-haves are for you, download a rom that meets that criteria and try it out!
And if you are anything like me, you will then try another, and another, and another, and then completely change your mind about those first must-haves (look at my sig to see some of the roms I've tried).
My two must-haves were the ability to play FLAC files, and Apps2SD. I still haven't found one that can do that but I have found a rom that I like a lot and have stuck with it for a while.
Just take the plunge and try em all.
Lol Androidspin has a comparison chart been around for ages .... plus my g1's Nand is nearly dead with the sheer amount of roms I flashed
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im planning on adding another to the list soon...
Sense Rom : LeeDroid is the best FRANKLY. there is another very popular rom which is nothing more than over rated.
Non sense : use defrost or opendesire. almost the same
rest is ur choice
Best Rom is an individual choice after try all roms I have decided to stick with auraxtsense.its stable and fast.
BTW I believe this is a post in the general or qna section and not the developer forum
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There is a threads somewhere from a few months ago on a similar subject. Someone found a google docs spreadsheet (in French, but easily understandable) that seemed to hit the info you are after. No idea of whether it is updated. In a rush at the mo, so will look for it later, but it is in these forums somewhere
Moved to Q&A as not development.
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He he, I know what you mean. I did start to do one, but it quickly got too complicated. My advice is read post#1 of each rom thread to see what functionality is available and try to decide what the top 2 or 3 must-haves are for you, download a rom that meets that criteria and try it out!
And if you are anything like me, you will then try another, and another, and another, and then completely change your mind about those first must-haves (look at my sig to see some of the roms I've tried).
My two must-haves were the ability to play FLAC files, and Apps2SD. I still haven't found one that can do that but I have found a rom that I like a lot and have stuck with it for a while.
Just take the plunge and try em all.
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OpenDesire has FLAC and Apps2SD (at least that's what his thread says)
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Well you guys are lucky... us CDMA users have to pick through all your roms even though they are 100% useless to us.
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Ha ha, yeah, that's exactly how I started on this thread.
here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0As0sg9AKQwCpdHRIcjNKbGZIUVk1VE9mYjVJNENnTHc&hl=fr&authkey=CJ3e6NQB#gid=0
It's in french but I think it's understandable for everybody.
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OpenDesire has FLAC and Apps2SD (at least that's what his thread says)
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That's probably why I tried OD for a few weeks. Can't remember now whether it worked or not. I know that CM did but ran out of space real quick.
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I hope this hasn't been asked before...but why when a ROM chef releases an update to his ROM doesn't he start a new thread?
Some threads get to insane lengths. If the new version of a ROM is bringing problems over from the old, could the chef simply list them in the OP or one of the immediately proceeding ones?
I'd think it'd make following the progress and problems of a new ROM much easier if one doesn't have to slog through two or three hundred pages to figure out whether he or she wants to try it or not.
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I hope this hasn't been asked before...but why when a ROM chef releases an update to his ROM doesn't he start a new thread?
Some threads get to insane lengths. If the new version of a ROM is bringing problems over from the old, could the chef simply list them in the OP or one of the immediately proceeding ones?
I'd think it'd make following the progress and problems of a new ROM much easier if one doesn't have to slog through two or three hundred pages to figure out whether he or she wants to try it or not.
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This is a decision for the developer themself. I take a new thread for minor updates (1.7 to 1.8) but not sub-releases like 1.7.1 and 1.7.2.
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I hope this hasn't been asked before...but why when a ROM chef releases an update to his ROM doesn't he start a new thread?
Some threads get to insane lengths. If the new version of a ROM is bringing problems over from the old, could the chef simply list them in the OP or one of the immediately proceeding ones?
I'd think it'd make following the progress and problems of a new ROM much easier if one doesn't have to slog through two or three hundred pages to figure out whether he or she wants to try it or not.
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While I understand your reasoning, I have to say if you have to read through a couple of hundred pages to decide if you want to try a rom or not then the answer is maybe not. I'd rather see a thread that is 10,000 posts long, I only go to the last 4 or 5 pages to see if the newest is worth trying, than to see each sub-forum have 10,000 threads. At least if you want to go back and see if a different version is worth trying it's all in the same thread.
Each to his own I guess.
I'm not a ROM "chef", but have had software releases on XDA, and why I understand your question and agree somewhat, as the dev in charge of threads I'd much rather have 1 thread for 1 app, rather than a thread for each version. That way I only have to visit 1 thread to look for requests/bug reports (THERE ARE NEVER ANY!!! lol)/suggestions etc..
If I had a thread for each version of a piece of software then I would lose track of older versions, just because of the amount of work it would take to keep an eye on them all.
That's obviously just my opinion. Like I said, I see why you suggest this, but I know I wouldn't want to do it, for the benefit of users as well as myself.
most threads here are from not-10inch... including the sticks. they just list "ROMS" and all of them are for 8, 7in.
Where can i find the latest info for 10? or what is the best way you guys use to filter for the 10in only?
it is a completely different beast with its intel cpu ...feel those models should not even be bundled together.
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most threads here are from not-10inch... including the sticks. they just list "ROMS" and all of them are for 8, 7in.
Where can i find the latest info for 10? or what is the best way you guys use to filter for the 10in only?
it is a completely different beast with its intel cpu ...feel those models should not even be bundled together.
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You won't find much for the 10 in yet...unless I've been digging in the wrong places....
The only place I have found anything of use for the 10 is in the dev forums. You will find a great root ad custom recovery there, I got the cwm(unofficial)recovery and root installed on first attempt, but it is a dev forum, so don't expect to get a lot of answers there. I recommend DutchDanny's custom recovery, and you'll find what you need for root in the same thread.
I have found nothing interesting as far as ROMs go, though.
Good luck, and let me know if you find anything stable and useful for our tablets!
I imagine we will have our own forum once there is more out there that is specific to our device.
Have this changed recently? To be honest I'm using the 10in just for some website testing since it's the only Samsung browser i have... I still use the touchpad for having fun with Android. Can't beat that community.
but the x86 CPU on the 10in is always making me think i can do interesting stuff with this tablet... Ubuntu? FirefoxOS? Dedicated scummvm machine?
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I agree that there is a lot of mixing and mismatching going on here. The only dedicated thread to the P5210 is the development thread and that isn't very interesting at all. Under this main thread of troubleshooting there should be three sub categories; 7", 8", and 10". This would segregate the tablets and keep like info together instead of sprue about as it is right now. But it is all good. Just have to, like you said, filter a wee bit.
I was going through the threads and what really bugs me is the virgin mobile desire development is mixed up with the Europe version. I know the phones are identical but we have a different Hboot and Software. We should separate the two versions in two different threads making it easier for users to follow the development phase.
Would make a lot of sense, however I feel like there's not enough development on this device to even bother with the separation. Plus I feel like in the future, developers who might want to make stuff for the 816 would go for the other (dual sim) versions, so the VM one would either get way less development, or all its development a lot later, when our favorite devs were asked to port it to the VM version.
I agree with this as well. Merging the types has caused irreversible bricks for people who aren't savvy in these things especially if they haven't backed up their original software via Nandroid. Now you may think just download an RUU but those are not available for the Virgin Mobile model and finding and using someone else's nandroid isn't a simple drag and drop process including the fact that they can't boot the system. They would indeed have to use for example Cyanogenmod but then people aren't even sure if its possible to restore an original backup from Cyanogen.
On top of that there is a custom kernel but no one has uploaded an original for those who want to go back to stock for squaretrade insurance purposes maybe? I would possibly hear, this sounds like a "you" problem but regardless of the device they were produced and people do use them and some people do like to mod them to the fullest extent to call it "theirs". You might say just learn but it isn't that simple for everyone. What takes an expert a few minutes/hours to arrange may take a new person months or years and with risk that they cannot restore the device in the case of a bad flash. Just saying to consider everyone not just the general population. Minorities in society deserve a chance no?
Me? Saying; I am one of these people but I can understand the difficulty when navigating through something and when their using purely codenames such as a5_dug it makes it no simpler.
One reason for this phone.
Its available in payments on the shopping websites. 199 and 6 months to pay it off with no credit check? Yes please.
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Would make a lot of sense, however I feel like there's not enough development on this device to even bother with the separation. Plus I feel like in the future, developers who might want to make stuff for the 816 would go for the other (dual sim) versions, so the VM one would either get way less development, or all its development a lot later, when our favorite devs were asked to port it to the VM version.
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My thoughts exactly :good:
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My thoughts exactly :good:
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From March 2014 to now. Rarely spoken of out of 100's of Androids. Because of the price now development is increasing. Your really telling me separating the two forums would cost you enough time to not do it? There are phones that have no development on here and are completely sectioned out amazingly.
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From March 2014 to now. Rarely spoken of out of 100's of Androids. Because of the price now development is increasing. Your really telling me separating the two forums would cost you enough time to not do it? There are phones that have no development on here and are completely sectioned out amazingly.
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Funny!!!
Talk @ confusion, I saw this in the CM11 thread?
"One question; how the F*** for the life of day and night do you restore this device back to stock without an official RUU for Virgin Mobile? "
Just messin w/ ya, splitting development would not be a good idea IMHO, more of these phones were sold for months outside of US.
VM owners are probably a small minority, so most devs probably wouldn't be bothered with our ROM, give it time, if there's market penetration, we could think @ a split from WW dev.
(as it is, there isn't much going on in dev right now anyway, I'm thankful for the CM11 port we have from Grarak & v_superuser)
Truth be told, things would be easier for us if there was a separate sub forum but it wouldn't favor us as far as development goes.
To the best of my knowledge there are a handful of devs who work with VM phones. I'm not exactly sure if any of them have jumped on the 816.
Until that happens I think it's in our best interest to hang out and wait. Right now we're dependent on those that have had the phone for about 6 months longer than we have..
v_superuser and Garak have posted their CM11 in a cl;ear enough way that DLing and running that rom should be pretty straightforward. If any future roms are posted in the same way there should be no confusion.
That being said, I can see a VM specific subforum being helpful for people who may be starting out and aren't sure about general stuff relating to VM bloatware etc.
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Funny!!!
Talk @ confusion, I saw this in the CM11 thread?
"One question; how the F*** for the life of day and night do you restore this device back to stock without an official RUU for Virgin Mobile? "
Just messin w/ ya, splitting development would not be a good idea IMHO, more of these phones were sold for months outside of US.
VM owners are probably a small minority, so most devs probably wouldn't be bothered with our ROM, give it time, if there's market penetration, we could think @ a split from WW dev.
(as it is, there isn't much going on in dev right now anyway, I'm thankful for the CM11 port we have from Grarak & v_superuser)
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Lol . I bricked this phone 4 times going back and forth; from the Stock ROM, to the Chinese sort of stock ROM, to Cyanogen. Done erased my /sdcard to where it wasn't mountable and brought it back with Cyanogen and sideload. (Luckily, the bootloader wasn't affected by the amount of **** I threw at it.) Tested 3 different recoveries only to find out the old version from the CM11 post was the only one that really worked the properly.
I was able to start it back up and continue to put the backup onto the internal storage since I didn't have an external SD on hand; BUT then I found out that the backup was 1.96 GBs and needed to be in the /data/media/clockworkmod/backup section of the device which was inaccessible via normal USB methods since your stuck in /data/media/0 and is considered basically a completely different partition. This phone has 8GB internal and uses 4.xxGB with its normal software when installed (yes even with Cyan) then I just put a 1.96 GB file so it was basically stopping me from copying the whole folder which was just ever so slightly annoying since I had to use ES file explorer, make a new folder with the same name, then; one by one Cut and Paste each file into the new folder in the /backup folder. This might seem like a simple process but with absolutely no guides out there for a guideline this really sucked. It's basically like; if you have this device then you know how to flash/root/etc as the norm. Trial and error. -_-
Then after looking around and seeing that VM had 55$ for their plan. I saw that Straight Talk was able to accept the MEID of this VM device without a hitch, but then I looked into different carriers for even better alternatives and saw that Ringplus had $17.99 for Unlimited Talk/Text/400MB 3G/4GLTE. I thought **** why not? Turns out Ringplus doesn't accept VM devices. (Sucks)
SO then I decided to "spoof" the IMEI/MEID/ESN with DFS/QPST (Experience) and I was able to get the MEID/ESN to change and get EvDo Rev.A service but to no avail with LTE since the IMEI is "unspoofable" without S-Off. I thought well why not $17.99 for unlimited T&T w/data? Signed up with my new "S3". lmfao
Purpose of this post?
There was at least 3-10 topics I could cover for VM Desire devices now.
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Maybe this is a dumb question but if the VM version isn't capable of dual numbers or being ported or used anywhere else why does VM advertise this as dual sim on their site as part of the device name? What would be the point of the false advertising.
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Maybe this is a dumb question but if the VM version isn't capable of dual numbers or being ported or used anywhere else why does VM advertise this as dual sim on their site as part of the device name? What would be the point of the false advertising.
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I just checked out the VMUSA site and couldn't find anything about dual sim. I did however see "Dual Mode" used for the phone. Dual mode is just a term to say that the phone uses both CDMA and GSM. CDMA for 3G and GSM for LTE.
An answer could be to have a thread under "Desire 816 General" called "Virgin Mobile Issues" or something similar. I'm guessing there could be enough traffic to keep it on the first page for a while. For example I'm still curious exactly how the -chl is best classified. Is this hybrid best thought of as a single or dual sim? Will getting s-off allow the phone (with some rom work) to be used by another carrier? Having all these VM specific questions and answers in one place would be a plus and it shouldn't interfere with the Q&A being done on the true dev work here in other threads.