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[Q] When will a proper Sat Nav app arrive? or am i missing them somewhere?

cant find a sat nav program like tom tom anywhere. i`d rather use my data connection for surfing the internet and not using the voiceless bing maps. does this mean i should keep hold of my touch tiamond 2 and its tom tom?

don't think there is anything out there yet.
Have you contacted tomtom and asked when they are going to release a wp7 version?
I can live with telenav (tmous) until bing nav is released in the first update.

Although Bing Nav will use data as well just like Google Maps nav does.

I have Singtel Xplorer from Telmap. Works great!
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zard said:
I have Singtel Xplorer from Telmap. Works great!
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Well... lucky you! Those of us anywhere else in the world are still waiting. Although at least we know this stuff is really coming out FAST!
What did Singtel cost?

Free for 6 months and thereafter S$5 per month.
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I'd imagine the 225 MB max package size for the WP7 marketplace might be a problem for offline navigation apps (unless the app downloads the maps separately).

amb9800 said:
I'd imagine the 225 MB max package size for the WP7 marketplace might be a problem for offline navigation apps (unless the app downloads the maps separately).
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you may want to petition the dev of Maverick (android) to make a pay-for app.
it's a very good OFFLINE gps app, which caches maps directly from (alphebetical order, not quality ) bing, google, mapnik, osma, others. the really nice feature is you can build your own maps from downloaded tiles, then dump them to the sdcard and have maverick use -those- tiles for your offline viewing.
caveats:
not a turn by turn app.
not a 'navigation' app.
wp7 is stupid about usb storage, so transfering files >2Gb will be a pita.
wp7 has no pre-installed navigation, so people are -not- buying the phone with this premise (no user base)
plusses:
caching (if you ever figure out the stupid sdcard issues)
it's already mature on android
the dev is stable
cheap
if / when a non-M$ application comes out, hopefully it won't be from tomtom or garmin. if you've used those in the past, you know just how bad they are on mobiles, without data. the best i've used is Google Navigation, as it caches the route once it's selected, and then all you need is a GPS signal, no data required. THIS, is a feature all phone apps should have that deal with mapping. Are you listening microsoft ? TOMTOM ? Garmin ?
Also, if/when an app is released, subscription based application is an instant FAIL. $49 apps are a FAIL. pay-for-each-region-of-maps are a FAIL. Hopefully the app makers are paying attention this time, for the wp7 users' sake.

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if / when a non-M$ application comes out, hopefully it won't be from tomtom or garmin. if you've used those in the past, you know just how bad they are on mobiles
Also, if/when an app is released, subscription based application is an instant FAIL. $49 apps are a FAIL. pay-for-each-region-of-maps are a FAIL. Hopefully the app makers are paying attention this time, for the wp7 users' sake.
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I've used Tomtom and Navigon for years on my cell... I love them. Granted the development hasn't as great as a stand a lone unit but for having the convenience of only having to carry around ONE unit and not having a separate unit in the car for this I think they're pretty good. I use tomtom EVERY day for work going to do estimates etc.
So, subscription based is out, 50 dollar apps are out, pay per map is out.... how are these companies supposed to make money? It's one thing for google or MS to develop a free gps app for their OWN os, its another for tomtom or something to do it and just give it away for free. I cant see why they would do that. Not a very good buisness model is it
I have no doubt when they update Bing to have full on 3d Navigation like google nav on android that's what I'll be using as my main gps.

[Q] Any News on Navigation???

I can live without custom ringtones, bluetooth file transfer, and sideloaded apps. However turn by turn navigation is a must. I have spent 3 days trawling the net for when and if we will get a working sat nav program. Obviously Navigon Select has an option for Deutsch Telekom, as does TeleNav for T-Mob and AT&T. When will these apps appear to the buying user....nobody knows. Bing Navigation has been rumoured as a free option since WP7's release, yet there is no info beyond its release for WinMo early last year.
Anyone got any new information on SatNav for the general user, as obviously sideloading the above apps is a NoGo for NoDo!

A-to-B works for me.

Jim Coleman said:
A-to-B works for me.
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Wish it did for me, seems fine for the US, not to great in Europe

But how to build a turn by turn app if the api for the compass is not available?
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No news for any real GPS based navigation with maps loaded etc.
All those ones incl. A-to-B are based on mobile data so in a real life they are useless, whether you enter any worse coverage area or especially roaming.
And it doesn't look like it will change soon.

Compass API isn't necessary for turn-by-turn navigation, it can serve as an enhancement (and more so on paper than in real life).
Regarding Navigon, I've read somewhere that they have an exclusivity agreement with T-Mo Germany till summer. Don't know how reliable the source is, but the info sounds reasonable.

doministry said:
No news for any real GPS based navigation with maps loaded etc.
All those ones incl. A-to-B are based on mobile data so in a real life they are useless, whether you enter any worse coverage area or especially roaming.
And it doesn't look like it will change soon.
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The route is actually calculated at the start, so only the tiles don't download if you lose signal meaning you can actually carry on with the route.
Casey

have any of you tried "Outdoor Navigation"?
http://www.wpcentral.com/outdoor-navigation-now-offers-offline-maps
I personally haven't, but could be promising?

These programs are nice but as I said, they require internet connection to be really used so they can't be really considered as full navgation programs.
But XMaps are amazing BTW.

The only real one is Nacigon select from T-Mobile Deutschlad.
If you are the adventurous type the .xap is very probably *cough* out there somewhere. But don't be tempted it's illegal you know?
Tuts how to add non German maps (If you own them!) are in the Dev forum

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It was asked a while back on the windows phone radio podcast and they said that they are trying to improve bing in europe before releasing a bing maps. Now with the nokia deal, I think they are going to integrate bing and ovimaps and get something released. Probably be late this year at the earliest.

doministry said:
These programs are nice but as I said, they require internet connection to be really used so they can't be really considered as full navgation programs.
But XMaps are amazing BTW.
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If you're using A-to-B and you drive through a mobile deadzone, all that happens is the map data for that area doesn't load. You still see your planned route overlaid on blank grey terrain, and you still get your directions on-screen, the only thing is you can't see other side-roads etc.
It actually works sufficiently well. and the biggest benefit, of course, is that you don't need to purchase maps, nor provide oodles of storage on the phone for those maps, and the maps are always bang up-to-date as well.
It would be nice to have voiced directions and auto-recalc, but as it is, for a free app, A-to-B works pretty damn well, with or without a signal.

chingy213 said:
Enjoy =)
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Very good idea to link to a site well known for supporting piracy. Duh.

Jim Coleman said:
If you're using A-to-B and you drive through a mobile deadzone, all that happens is the map data for that area doesn't load. You still see your planned route overlaid on blank grey terrain, and you still get your directions on-screen, the only thing is you can't see other side-roads etc.
It actually works sufficiently well. and the biggest benefit, of course, is that you don't need to purchase maps, nor provide oodles of storage on the phone for those maps, and the maps are always bang up-to-date as well.
It would be nice to have voiced directions and auto-recalc, but as it is, for a free app, A-to-B works pretty damn well, with or without a signal.
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Yes as for free app and lack of possibilities on WP7 it's quite OK. Those guys do a great job.

[Q] Looking for a GPS App

I am looking for a GPS app that is comparable to a actual GPS, I have tried searching and GPS is a pretty common phrase in a lot of threads. lol.
Thanks for your help in advanced guys, I appreciate the help and experience that the forum brings to the table.
P.s. I am not against having to buy the app. I am just not going to drop a ton of money on an app when I could just buy a GPS for pretty cheap.

oefootball_70 said:
I am looking for a GPS app that is comparable to a actual GPS, I have tried searching and GPS is a pretty common phrase in a lot of threads. lol.
Thanks for your help in advanced guys, I appreciate the help and experience that the forum brings to the table.
P.s. I am not against having to buy the app. I am just not going to drop a ton of money on an app when I could just buy a GPS for pretty cheap.
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What about google nav? or even the sprint nav? lol.
I think we need to know more about what you are looking for in this app.

There's a few like navigon or aura but they are expensive, google nav always gets the job done for me.

* Navigon
* iGo
* Copilot
There may be some others, but i'm not aware of them. Of the above 3, I found copilot to be most robust with an intuitive UI.
Navigon and iGo seemed outdated.
Of course, if garmin ever gets off their ass and makes an android navigation app, that will probably be the best. Their windows mobile version was awesome.

I use MapQuest and it has maps navagation and voice turn by turn direction all in one app
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What's wrong with the native google navigation app? I don't understand.
EDIT - just took a look at the mapquest app. Pretty cool.
Does anyone know of a Navi app that includes waypoints? Say I'm driving to my buddy's house out of town and want to find a chevron on my way there.

Phateless said:
What's wrong with the native google navigation app? I don't understand.
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The problem is it requires a data connection. Although the OP didn't say it outright, I think it was implied he's looking for something that does not. All 3 of the ones I mentioned store the map data and points of interest (POI's) on the sd card.
And yes, copilot supports multiple way points. I imagine the other two do as well, but didn't play with them at length as I thought the UI was bland, and pretty much stopped there.

I believe google maps will do this as well. You'd just need to fiddle with the layers. But actually chaining multiple points together, A->B->C->D, isn't possible yet on Google Nav; It's just A->D right now. :<

Finally! I voice guided nav - NavFone

Guys, I just saw this in Zune software. NavFone by Bali. The description says it's a voice guided navigation app for WP7 devices.
http://www.marketplacebrowser.com/291557/navfone-bali-gps

MartyLK said:
Guys, I just saw this in Zune software. NavFone by Bali. The description says it's a voice guided navigation app for WP7 devices.
http://www.marketplacebrowser.com/291557/navfone-bali-gps
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I use Navi Ninasus for voice guided navigation. Maybe it's not available outside of Germany.

Not available in the UK.

MartyLK said:
Guys, I just saw this in Zune software. NavFone by Bali. The description says it's a voice guided navigation app for WP7 devices.
http://www.marketplacebrowser.com/291557/navfone-bali-gps
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Not available in Australia... and in description it says its for Bali.
But it surely prove the implementation of voice guided navigation.....

What about silver navigator? Voice turn by turn navigator.
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rajivshahi said:
Not available in Australia... and in description it says its for Bali.
But it surely prove the implementation of voice guided navigation.....
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Hehe...I thought that was the brand name. I need to get out and see the world someday.

Until they can fully multi-task I don't see them being that good. I tried the other one after I seen something about it on Twitter, and I just can't deal with it unless it can multi task and pop up when you need to do something on screen in voice with a Toast-Like notification (think the Zune Controls when the phone is locked).

SilverNavigator shows promise. All it needs is local business search and voice input for searching and I think it would be great.

anyone else find this interesting? somewhere down the line microsoft is going to bring out navigation for bing maps like in 6.5 for free right?
in the meantime private developers can make some money by providing apps that fill in those feature gaps. (don't get me wrong, I'm willing to pay, i need a navigation app asap).
I was just wondering if any of you thought it was microsoft giving those folks a bone or their software is just not prepared at all and they're like oh dang we're too slow everyone else is making apps...

gkoonjul said:
anyone else find this interesting? somewhere down the line microsoft is going to bring out navigation for bing maps like in 6.5 for free right?
in the meantime private developers can make some money by providing apps that fill in those feature gaps. (don't get me wrong, I'm willing to pay, i need a navigation app asap).
I was just wondering if any of you thought it was microsoft giving those folks a bone or their software is just not prepared at all and they're like oh dang we're too slow everyone else is making apps...
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With MS, nothing is sure. I'm of the mind to think they just aren't smart enough to do it. But any number of scenarios could be true. However, from all I've understood of MS, deception is certainly high on the list. MS isn't a consumer oriented company and they don't seem to know how to deal with the public to make them happy. Personally, I believe this ethic will cost them again like it has with Zune and WinMo. I figure stuff like free Bing nav in WinMo 6.5 was a last ditch effort to try to stave off the bleeding. I believe if MS could take your money and give you nothing in return, that is their highest business goal.

I couldn't have imagined that Microsoft would launch WP7 without any GPS app available at launch.
Turn-by-turn is an essential feature on a smartphone.
MS have been working for 2 years on WP7. I thought they would work hand in hand with a major GPS software developer. But no. Nothing.
More than 6 months after launch there is still nothing. Navigon is not available in my country, Google Maps is not available, Tom Tom is not interested in WP7... and I can't stand Bing Maps which is unusuable.

arturobandini said:
I couldn't have imagined that Microsoft would launch WP7 without any GPS app available at launch.
Turn-by-turn is an essential feature on a smartphone.
MS have been working for 2 years on WP7. I thought they would work hand in hand with a major GPS software developer. But no. Nothing.
More than 6 months after launch there is still nothing. Navigon is not available in my country, Google Maps is not available, Tom Tom is not interested in WP7... and I can't stand Bing Maps which is unusuable.
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I think that is a little bit of an over-reaction. To my knowledge, the only smartphone with a bult in turn-by-turn app is Android (wich technicaly is a free downloadable app, not built in). The free app for WM6.5 only worked on phones with the correct resolution display (still doesn't work on my Vogue).
Although I don't like Bing as much as I did google maps, it actualy works fairly well.
I think the biggest issue is multi-tasking. How can you run a Turn-by-Turn app, then after answering the phone, the app has to re-load.

arturobandini said:
Navigon is not available in my country, Google Maps is not available, Tom Tom is not interested in WP7... and I can't stand Bing Maps which is unusuable.
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I have been testing Navigon in France since two weeks.
The software is basic, but it does the job.
All you need to do to make it work you will find in this forum. For the files... Google will be your friend.

Higherflight said:
I have been testing Navigon in France since two weeks.
The software is basic, but it does the job.
All you need to do to make it work you will find in this forum. For the files... Google will be your friend.
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Thank you very much for the help.
If only Bing Map could be as efficient.... : http://youtu.be/8UT0wJ1Go7A
I just discovered it, and I am amazed. Maybe I chose the wrong OS

arturobandini said:
Thank you very much for the help.
If only Bing Map could be as efficient.... : http://youtu.be/8UT0wJ1Go7A
I just discovered it, and I am amazed. Maybe I chose the wrong OS
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Your call. Bing Maps won't be the solution, I strongly doubt that.
LE: I stand corrected, MS is at it, apparently they're looking into it
Microsoft already announced its partnership with Nokia and Ovi maps are okish (something to read here)
As for the Google Maps... needs Android. And for that, ask yourself: do you think it's perfectly ok for someone else to know everything you've done, browsed, phoned, texted, etc? Also to be able to control what apps you install, eventually block or uninstall them remotely without your interaction? Not for me...
Personally I've used both TomTom and iGo, and I prefer the later. Hopefully one of these solutions will be here for WP7. One can dream
Btw, there is a thread here about Navigon on HD2 WP7

Thanks a lot EnderPsp

CoPilot Live Market Discount

INTRODUCTORY SPECIAL OFFER - COPILOT LIVE PREMIUM 50% OFF FOR 7 DAYS ONLY
As it says special offer i just paid £12.49 for UK and Ireland version via the Android market .
jje

Thanks for the heads up. Could anyone explain the difference between Premium and the normal one?

Anyone know how this compares to navigon?
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INTRODUCTORY SPECIAL OFFER - COPILOT LIVE PREMIUM 50% OFF FOR 7 DAYS ONLY
As it says special offer i just paid £12.49 for UK and Ireland version via the Android market .
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Thanks for the heads up. Any differences you noticed compared to "regular" version?

Save your money and buy something that's worth it. CoPilot is worst navigation system I have ever seen!

I bought the full European version for £29.99 instead of £60.
It does annoy me that the USA Version is only £2 for Standard and £6 for Premium!
Navigon is a sack of sh1t compared to this (IMHO).
Each to their own, personally I think it rocks and for the money you cannot complain!

I bought CoPilot v8 at the beginning of May, when I got my S2. It cost me just over £20.
ALK have confirmed there is no upgrade path and all they will provide existing users (along with everyone else) is this 7 day, 50% discount.
After having a quick look at what this new 'Premium' versions offers, I think I'll be saving my money and wait for v10.
A reviewer wrote:
Stick with V8. Glad this wasn’t an upgrade!! V9 seems to have forgotten what SATNAV is for. Suggested routes are ridiculous. Every route needs editing, not good when at the roadside and all you want is to get from A-B. No routing prefs Shortest, Quickest etc. Road prefs if not on neutral make things worse. No town\city location display. Often looses gps fix. Display on Wildfire has grey pixelated areas and chopped off icons. ‘Not fit for purpose’ in many areas. Needs to be fixed – quick or Refund please!
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I will be honest i have yet to use any Sat Nav as i have yet to need one .
I know where i am going and dont get lost .Its there a s a maybe just in case .
jje

Anybody know if map updates are free (and for how long time)?
Does Copilot Live Premium support Danish menus and voice?
Thanks

Mittaa said:
Anybody know if map updates are free (and for how long time)?
Does Copilot Live Premium support Danish menus and voice?
Thanks
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Maps for the region your purchased are free. E.g. I bought UK and Ireland version (those maps are free). I can additionally purchase maps for other regions (e.g. Western Europe).
Regarding the voice, screenshot attached.
Overall this version is great. The UI is epic compared to the last version.

nobnut said:
Maps for the region your purchased are free. E.g. I bought UK and Ireland version (those maps are free). I can additionally purchase maps for other regions (e.g. Western Europe).
Regarding the voice, screenshot attached.
Overall this version is great. The UI is epic compared to the last version.
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Thanks a lot
I have been told that maps update should be free for 1 year.
Found a thread in Androidforums with a very useful user reviews of Copilot Live Premium ... scroll down to post from jalan94
http://androidforums.com/android-applications/363484-copilot-live-premium-released.html

Mittaa said:
Thanks a lot
I have been told that maps update should be free for 1 year.
Found a thread in Androidforums with a very useful user reviews of Copilot Live Premium ... scroll down to post from jalan94
http://androidforums.com/android-applications/363484-copilot-live-premium-released.html
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That is a very fair review I would say.
As for the maps, that may be true, I am not sure, but I don't believe it is. I think the cost of the Copilot app includes the maps.
There are additonal 'bolt ons' available within v9.0 which cost extra. I have paid for Traffic (£9.99 per annum), I would have paid for Fuel Prices (4.99 per annum) but it is not available in the UK presently.
The best part for me is the upgraded registration process. In v8.0 it was a nightmare and if you wanted to change from one device to another, it could quite literally make your brain bleed. It is easy in v9.0.
Overall, I am very happy, I am just jealous that I do not live in the US where this is extremely cheap. The cost of maps must be less for Copilot over there I guess.

Someone told me that CoPilot do not integrate with Android Contact
This should mean that it isn't possible to invoke navigation from an Contact address ... is this a fact (or a joke)?

If you're talking about selecting a contact in Android's Contacts app & navigating to it via CoPilot, that doesn't seem to be an option -- instead of opening CoPilot, it takes you into Google Maps. It may be the case that Android doesn't provide the hooks to allow third-party apps to be called from within their Contacts app; Google wrote the OS, so they set the rules.
However, you can select your Android contacts from within CoPilot.

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If you're talking about selecting a contact in Android's Contacts app & navigating to it via CoPilot, that doesn't seem to be an option -- instead of opening CoPilot, it takes you into Google Maps. It may be the case that Android doesn't provide the hooks to allow third-party apps to be called from within their Contacts app; Google wrote the OS, so they set the rules.
However, you can select your Android contacts from within CoPilot.
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Android do provide the hooks to allow third-party apps to be called from within their Contacts app. IGO My Way is one confirmed example.

Is Copilot as good or reliable as tomtom? Tbh, I still find myself using my htc touch diamond for satnav since it has tomtom navigator on it. Honestly, all the other satnavs around are crap from what I've tried. They all have some fancy features or graphics which are nice or better in some way (like I use google satnav sometimes and it speaks actual road names which is cool, but no speed camera warnings) but overall, tomtom is the only one I trust and feel comfortable with and which holds my hand down every road. Can't wait till tomtom hits android.

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Is Copilot as good or reliable as tomtom? Tbh, I still find myself using my htc touch diamond for satnav since it has tomtom navigator on it. Honestly, all the other satnavs around are crap from what I've tried. They all have some fancy features or graphics which are nice or better in some way (like I use google satnav sometimes and it speaks actual road names which is cool, but no speed camera warnings) but overall, tomtom is the only one I trust and feel comfortable with and which holds my hand down every road. Can't wait till tomtom hits android.
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I know how you feel ... I'm on my way to France on a 2x1800 km trip ...
Hate all this Facebook/Twitter **** on Copilot Live Premium, and just hope the navigation part will work!
IGO8 on Windows Mobile is the best satnav I ever have used, so I'll take my old Windows Mobile phone with me in case Copilot let me down.

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Android do provide the hooks to allow third-party apps to be called from within their Contacts app. IGO My Way is one confirmed example.
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Thanks for the correction -- good to know that. I've been on Android for only a month or so, after having used WinMo since Windows CE 1.0 back in 1996.
BTW, I've seen several people mention IGO My Way on Android. However, I can't find any reference to it on Android Market, nor can I find an Android version on the IGO website. How does one get the software?

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Thanks for the correction -- good to know that. I've been on Android for only a month or so, after having used WinMo since Windows CE 1.0 back in 1996.
BTW, I've seen several people mention IGO My Way on Android. However, I can't find any reference to it on Android Market, nor can I find an Android version on the IGO website. How does one get the software?
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Problems - just me?
Hello all
I'm having real problems with mine at the moment. It locks up constantly usually when a planning a route but often when navigating and sometimes it hangs the phone too.
Mine's a very standard installation, not rooted and the phone is stable otherwise.
It might just be me but if not I'd say it's a long way from being release worthy.