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[Q] I need an adroid education

Hey guys... plain and simple, I need help. I'm kind of a noob, but not really. I know a little bit here and there but I want to get good with my Evo, I mean really good! I'm currently browsing XDA in my car (Evolution X) tethered to my Evo 4G. Love Evo's. I'm also on a macbook pro, which makes a lot of the standard rooting options difficult for me, and i'm not running boot camp on my mac, so I don't have windows access.
Anyway, I want a foolproof, safe root. Currently I'm rooted with unrEVOked3. I hear not so great things, especially that full root might not have been attained. I want to confirm this and I don't know how. I don't want to be stuck with a root that might brick me in the future or give me problems down the road. I'm considering unrooting unrevoked and re-rooting with a more solid root method. I know that it doesn't matter the method as long as root is attained in the end but, from what i've read, a lot of people just don't agree with unrevoked method. I'm also concerned about the updates that unrevoked will provide when OTAs come out.
Here are my objectives...
1. Be familiar with the definitions and common terms root users use. For example, I want a clear understanding of recovery mode, HBOOT, bootloader, setcpu, kernels, etc. I know a little bit, but I don't feel comfortable enough to start messing around with flashing roms, changing kernels, etc. I want to be though.
2. I want to be able to flash roms.
3. I want full root and guaranteed SU permissions.
4. Wifi Tether.
5. ability and know how to overclock and underclock depending on the situation i'm in.
I know a lot of you guys will tell me to search and READ READ READ, but i've been doing this since I got me Evo about a month and a half ago. I rooted with unrEVOked3 because on my mac it was a simple download and click.
I downloaded the android-sdk-mac-86 download and I also have ECLIPSE for mac. I know these are app development programs, but will this help me with root and everything from there on?
Does anyone have a link to a site with definitions and explanations or is someone willing to take the time to explain to me these definitions and how they relate to android and effect the phone...
I appreciate you guys helping me. If you're going to tell me to use the search button or read the stickies, please save it, my laptop only has 3 hours of battery and i'm driving cross country and checking the forums while i'm riding shotgun.
Thanks in advance.

my 6th objective is to have all the apps i'll need to monitor and maintain my phone as best as i can.
I know about ROM manager, setcpu (don't have yet), Titanium Backup, and system info.
is there an app that allows me to browse ALL folders on the phone? currently I have ASTRO.

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/re...ide-android-terminoligy-lingo.html#post462728

thank you for the link.

[Q] Completely new to this, need help.

First off, let me start by saying I've never done anything like this before. I've just bought my G2 less than two weeks ago. As with all new things, I like to explore all the different things I can do with it. That's when I discovered ROMs and .apk files that weren't in the market. So what I would like to do is install these things. I would like to know how to install them, what I need and what I need to do, step by step. Mind you, I'm novice to phone technology so the more specific you are, the better. Infact, I prefer one sound redundant in this case, so I don't screw anything up. Is there a site I can go to to see ROMs specific to G2, aswell as .apk files not in the market?
I read over a few things, which I hardly understood. Things about rooting and flashing etc. I'm oblivious to what either of them are and how to do it. I tried following one guide "Perma-Root and S-OFF" to no avail. However, it was NOT the perma-root / S-OFF guide on this site that I followed. The one I tried following was on a wiki. I got stuck on the 'adb' part and messing with the 'Path'. Anyway, before I drag this out any further, I'm sure whoever's reading this gets the gist of it. Surely there are guides out there for noobies that have no idea what the tech-talk means. 'adb' and 'root' and blah blah. Just simple instructions should suffice; "Put this file there, install that file, plug in your phone, drag that there, click that and viola!" haha. Thanks to anyone who dare take on this challenge. I know how frustrating us noobies can be.

First off, welcome, you're in the right place.
You'll find a whole load of ROMs for the G2 in the dev forum at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=758
Most of the apps you'll want you'll probably find on the Android Market, which you can access from your phone (that'll be an easier way for the developers to get them to a large audience as opposed to them just posting them up on another website). You can install apps from other sources though, you just need to change a setting under Menu->Settings->Applications on your phone.
The simplest way to "root" your phone is to use an app called Visionary, see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=808514 . However, I recommend using the "rage" method detailed at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834228 . That latter one does have the scary-looking adb stuff in it, but it's a lot easier than you might think from first glance. The advantage of doing it that way is that you're issuing commands one at a time, so you can see if any of them produce an error message. With Visionary, it sometimes work just great for people, but sometimes it seems not to with no obvious information about what went wrong.
Will post some more in a bit

After you have root. Do a search on the market for "root" you will see all the great programs you have been missing out on. After you play around with this stuff for a bit you will probly want to start flashing roms. A rom takes root to the next level. Roms allow you do do everything from overclocking to changing the way your whole phone functions.
Before you get to that step though your going to want to do a search for "adb guide." Get that installed on your computer then take a look at the gfree guide. I will let stev pick up from here lol.
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You don't have to mess with the path. You can just change put all of your files(wp-this.ko, etc.) in the adb/tools folder, then open a command prompt and use the change directory command to get over to your adb/tools folder, then run all of your adb commands.
Happy rooting ^_^
If you want me to just walk you through everything step by step you can just pm me and I'd be happy to help. I can explain everything I just told you in much greater detail... etc.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.

You can also go to youtube and search for "blackprince310" he has a step by step video walk through on how to do this. Its fail proof. If you can follow instructions you should be fine.
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Just read everything fifty times before u do anything...
And then re read another fifty times.
Know how to fix the phone before you break it.
And if you haven't installed the sdk and have adb enabled..then I'm not sure you should do this yet.
Not trying to be a downer...because you'll feel really down if you just don't know whatchoo doin.
vision

Root help please

So I finally got my G2/Vision, I want to perm-root my G2. But I fail so much, I can't even put Visionary into my G2.... I downloaded Astro, but I need to place Visionary r14 in my SD, but I can't find a place to put it.
When I look in my SD through windows, it shows me a LOST.DIR, .Trashes, .Spotlight-V100, .fseventsd, .android_secure, Android, etc. etc. But I still can't find the spot to place Visionary, Help?

place it in that folder

ilikepu said:
place it in that folder
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Haha, I figured I'd just dl it off the internet through my G2. It worked. Configured it.

Word to the wise, stay away from visionary. Use rage.

ddgarcia05 said:
Word to the wise, stay away from visionary. Use rage.
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Whats the difference? And... What happens if I already used Visionary?

If you used Visionary and it worked for you, then that's great.
I also try and steer folks away from Visionary myself. Quite a few seem to end up with a lot of problems after using Visionary. The "rage" method of rooting is a lot more reliable, it's just that it looks a lot more "scary" to newcomers because there are commands you have to type in and run on your PC and phone. But if you read up on it, and ask questions if you don't understand, then follow the instructions carefully, you'll be fine - and even if rage goes wrong then you won't end up with a semi-brick, you just won't get root (until you fix the problem).

Ohhhh, Ok. Yeah I couldn't get Visionary to work until several tries. Took me a while. I was supprised I hadn't bricked my phone already. But now I'm pretty satisfied with CM 6.1 w/ MattedBlues theme. Sucks though I couldn't get it to work with Virtuous. I really like Sense alot more than the stock Rom (I consider CM 6 to be pretty stock)

Hope this helps!!!
steviewevie said:
If you used Visionary and it worked for you, then that's great.
I also try and steer folks away from Visionary myself. Quite a few seem to end up with a lot of problems after using Visionary. The "rage" method of rooting is a lot more reliable, it's just that it looks a lot more "scary" to newcomers because there are commands you have to type in and run on your PC and phone. But if you read up on it, and ask questions if you don't understand, then follow the instructions carefully, you'll be fine - and even if rage goes wrong then you won't end up with a semi-brick, you just won't get root (until you fix the problem).
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+1 on the reliable and +1 on the scary!!!!
I am very new to Android,...I've only had my G2 for about 2 months...I ran Visionary temp root without issues (r10). When I tried to install in r14 to perm root, I encountered a myriad of errors, and decided not to root.
But I just couldn't give up on it....two weeks ago I got food poisoning, which rendered me useless and home bound, I decided to attempt it. I decided to use the rage method, but found that the instructions assumes that you know something about rooting. There are alot of people on this forum that are willing to help (steviewevie was one of them) to get you your through what ever hurdle you encounter.
Personally I found the rooting process very rewarding as I now have less of a vague idea of what is happening in my phone (ie not as lost as before).
Some of the basics:
- Install adb on your pc (not that scary), and read a bot on it...understand what some of the basic commands are trying to do. (see the rooting guide for those commands)
- set your path on your PC to point to the correct directory from where you are pushing (There are a few forums here that will guide you setup by step on how to do this)
-Follow the instructions to the T, and you should be ok.
Click here to go to the thread that these guys helped me while I going through the process. Post #4 makes reference to the path on your pc.
NOTE:This Path should point to the location where you have your adb tools and location of the files you are trying to push to your phone.
Post #17 goes step by step on what you need to do, and how the lines on the terminal should look like.
This is really not that difficult once you get your bearings, and for me it was a lot of fun...actually a little bored with the phone after having done this.

Put (SOLVED) in your thread title please.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

You all seem to suggest to not use visionary but use rage but from what I saw yesterday we had 2 "bricks" from people rooting with rage, compared to none from visionary

Lennyuk said:
You all seem to suggest to not use visionary but use rage but from what I saw yesterday we had 2 "bricks" from people rooting with rage, compared to none from visionary
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Ouch! Really? So no method is any "safer" yet then? Was planning on return to stock then Rage today. I take it I can't update my radio without full radio s-off? Or can i"?
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ddotpatel said:
Ouch! Really? So no method is any "safer" yet then? Was planning on return to stock then Rage today. I take it I can't update my radio without full radio s-off? Or can i"?
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If you know how to read, you can safely root using rage. Just read over the instructions a couple times first.

If you know what your doing both methods are as safe as each other. From what I can see there is a larger margin of error using Rage, however its entirely in your own hands, so as long as you make sure you input it all correctly it should be fine.
Both "bricks" yesterday were recoverable, and both times the user was sure they followed it all correctly, it just seems that their rom corrupted during the process so ended up stuck on a bootloop.

blackknightavalon said:
If you know how to read, you can safely root using rage. Just read over the instructions a couple times first.
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Lennyuk said:
If you know what your doing both methods are as safe as each other. ...
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So we not talking about the random occurance of file corruption then?
Thank you both (i'll add the to your thanks meters when I have some available). Just need to find how to fully reverse the rage method if needed.

Lennyuk said:
If you know what your doing both methods are as safe as each other. From what I can see there is a larger margin of error using Rage, however its entirely in your own hands, so as long as you make sure you input it all correctly it should be fine.
Both "bricks" yesterday were recoverable, and both times the user was sure they followed it all correctly, it just seems that their rom corrupted during the process so ended up stuck on a bootloop.
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Are you sure the corruption didn't stem from an earlier unsuccessful attempt to root with Visionary ?
I've yet to see a thread where someone has done something bad to their phone via rage, all it does is fire up a ton of process to use an exploit which gets you root. That can't corrupt your phone on its own.
Do you have some links ?

ddotpatel said:
So we not talking about the random occurance of file corruption then?
Thank you both (i'll add the to your thanks meters when I have some available). Just need to find how to fully reverse the rage method if needed.
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Here you go.

[Q] CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND ROOTING G2 - First Phone -

Hello I am new to this whole (Mod ) thing and until I bought a Pre Modded G2x I never new it even existed. The first ability to change how your screen transitions got me hooked completely ! I am posting this for the simple fact of Not Understanding
I have viewed several ways to Mod the G2 but none I could understand and I fear Bricking my phone which would not please me the slightest. I was stuck when I read
ABD
Most of the other terms i got. Is there anyone here willing to Chat via Skype or Email IM to help me Root this and eventually install a nice MOD onto my PHone, or simply put How to mod the G2 in - Noob -
Ps. I really like Cyanogen if you want to tell me what you think about that MOD i would be more than happy to Listen
I would GREATLY appreciate it and THANKS !

For chat go here http://webchat.freenode.net/ then for channels type G2ROOT
There will be plenty of people who can assist you during the root process.
ADB = Android Debug Bridge. It's comprised of your phone (that has Settings > Applications > Development > USB debugging enabled) connected to a PC that has the Android SDK (software developers kit) installed. It's just a link between your PC and your phone that allows you to do some manual commands (unless you use terminal emulator on the phone) that we can use to gain root access. Once your phone is connected you can type adb <command> from a command prompt (eg start > run > cmd.exe)

Try using the guide I posted. So far a lot of people have managed to get their phones rooted using it and I tried to make it as simple as possible.
Link here =)

The guide in the wiki is very straight forward and is the safest means to root as it was developed by the devs who actually found the means to root the device. The only way you can screw anything up is if you mistype something so please, please double check your typing.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

The Links/Guides stickied thread has tons of valuable info, as does the Wiki:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=801206
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision
Your best bet is to read up, and understand as much as you can. If there is something you don't understand, run a search on this forum's search function. If you REALLY can't find it, after legitimate attempts to use the search function, then come on here and ask. This is how most of us figured out how to mod our phones when we first started. As hinted at in the video in post #3 above, there are thousands of users here, and lots of newcomers trying to figure out how to root their phones. If those in the know spent their time leading people by the hand over Skype, they wouldn't have time for anything else. People have already spent lots of time writing guides, so put them to good use.

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So yesterday after 5 long hours someone was willing to Completely walk me through which really helped. I understand the basics to rooting a phone now. The net question is a few. I need help deciding the Mod I will use. I messed with Cyanogen before but heard many good things of others. What are a few Favorites, or recommendations. And how would I go about installing it so I dont lost the android market. Also if I want to take off a Mod how would I go about doing that

Urban Disciple said:
So yesterday after 5 long hours someone was willing to Completely walk me through which really helped. I understand the basics to rooting a phone now. The net question is a few. I need help deciding the Mod I will use. I messed with Cyanogen before but heard many good things of others. What are a few Favorites, or recommendations. And how would I go about installing it so I dont lost the android market. Also if I want to take off a Mod how would I go about doing that
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First off, download ROM Manager from the Market and, once installed, use it to flash ClockworkMod Recovery. Once that is done, use it to make a backup of your existing ROM.
ROM Manager has many great ROMs listed and you can read reviews of them and flash them via the app. The sticky in the dev forum has a list of many other downloadable ROMs, many of which aren't already listed in ROM Manager.
To go back to the ROM you're on, just restore the backup you made.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Is There A Way To Unroot Back to ICS

I know there must be a developer at work trying to make it happen but i need to go back to normal stock from the latest epic touch update w/o losing data thanx...

Rooting/unrooting with adb
The safe way is to know exactly what was modified in your system to root the device, and carefully undo the changes in the proper order. IMO, an app that roots a device *should* have unrooting capability as well because the developer of the app knows how the rooting process works, and how to undo the changes. Of course, the rooting process should be done in a way that allows it to be undone.
If you try to guess the process, and you don't know exactly what you are doing, you could brick your device, so be careful. I am not saying that as a disclaimer, but as an actual warning. Please take it seriously.
I had to root my tablet (also running ICS) manually through adb from my desktop Linux system. The method I followed was to install a custom su command in both /system/xbin and /bin, and then a Superuser app. It is not very complicated. I honestly don't know much about this yet, and just followed instructions that were posted at this site. The tablet was new, and I was ready to just re-install Android if things went wrong.
Does anyone know more about this? I tried to find more technical information on rooting, but was flooded with search results on what app to use, and other "user-level" information. I would like a full technical explanation if anyone has bothered posting such a thing. Do the apps all do the same operations? Is the procedure always the same for a given version of Android? And is there a corresponding method of unrooting, that works on all devices? If not, then why not?

jayts said:
The safe way is to know exactly what was modified in your system to root the device, and carefully undo the changes in the proper order. IMO, an app that roots a device *should* have unrooting capability as well because the developer of the app knows how the rooting process works, and how to undo the changes. Of course, the rooting process should be done in a way that allows it to be undone.
If you try to guess the process, and you don't know exactly what you are doing, you could brick your device, so be careful. I am not saying that as a disclaimer, but as an actual warning. Please take it seriously.
I had to root my tablet (also running ICS) manually through adb from my desktop Linux system. The method I followed was to install a custom su command in both /system/xbin and /bin, and then a Superuser app. It is not very complicated. I honestly don't know much about this yet, and just followed instructions that were posted at this site. The tablet was new, and I was ready to just re-install Android if things went wrong.
Does anyone know more about this? I tried to find more technical information on rooting, but was flooded with search results on what app to use, and other "user-level" information. I would like a full technical explanation if anyone has bothered posting such a thing. Do the apps all do the same operations? Is the procedure always the same for a given version of Android? And is there a corresponding method of unrooting, that works on all devices? If not, then why not?
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I fully agree a 100%, but thanx to SFHUB the problem was solved...