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Here's the official list of supported audio/video formats.
It has .avi DivX included out of the box, so we can finally expect hardware accelerated playback without conversion!
Xvid, on the other hand, is not listed. Don't really know if it means no xvid (my DVD player doesn't officially support Xvid either, but plays them fine).
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Here's the official list of supported audio/video formats.
It has .avi DivX included out of the box, so we can finally expect hardware accelerated playback without conversion!
Xvid, on the other hand, is not listed. Don't really know if it means no xvid (my DVD player doesn't officially support Xvid either, but plays them fine).
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That's great news!
According to this WP7 supports h264 at both main profile and high profile which means that we could easily watch 720p videos downloaded from youtube. So it means that even mkv files will just need to be remuxed which takes only few minutes. Great!
For perfect support it needs mkv support with subtitles.
And remember that all this is hardware accelerated!
Yeah, but 99.99% of my video files are xvid avis, don't know if I can watch these.
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Yeah, but 99.99% of my video files are xvid avis, don't know if I can watch these.
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yeah lets hope that coreplayer or somebody makes a player that supports all media file types
They can't do it in managed code. Period. Even if they could, there' no freakin' way to copy files to a WP7 device.
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They can't do it in managed code. Period. Even if they could, there' no freakin' way to copy files to a WP7 device.
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well i guess we will just see when it comes out, who knows what they will add with updates & what kind of hacks they come up with here
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Yeah, but 99.99% of my video files are xvid avis, don't know if I can watch these.
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This is subject to change so they can still add support for xvid, if not you'll have to change fourCC from xvid to divx and you're good to go(unless your xvid's have some exotic features that don't exist in divx).
OK, sounds good, so it could be really usable in terms of video playback (not to mention that so far it's the best out-of-the-box format support in the market). Still no AC3 sound though.
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OK, sounds good, so it could be really usable in terms of video playback (not to mention that so far it's the best out-of-the-box format support in the market). Still no AC3 sound though.
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AC3 would be nice but overkill. Who needs 6 channel stream on a mobile device
It would be useful only when connected to HDTV through HDMI cable
Next thing they must add is MKV support with subtitles
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AC3 would be nice but overkill. Who needs 6 channel stream on a mobile device
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I don't need 6 channels on a mobile device of course (in fact, I don't even care for 6 channels at home). I just don't want to convert the damned things.
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I don't need 6 channels on a mobile device of course (in fact, I don't even care for 6 channels at home). I just don't want to convert the damned things.
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Conversion of the audio track itself shouldn't last longer than 10 minutes so I wouldn't call that long. But I agree having AC3 support on the device would be very consumer friendly so maybe in future release.
I would love to have FLAC support too
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Conversion of the audio track itself shouldn't last longer than 10 minutes so I wouldn't call that long. But I agree having AC3 support on the device would be very consumer friendly so maybe in future release.
I would love to have FLAC support too
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what kind of program would u recommend to convert these files mine always takes 4ever, but then again my laptop is pretty darn slow, but what do u use?
As of today, Zune software recognizes Xvid files and plays them fine on the software. For the Zune HD player, it converts it into wmv prior to syncing it. But in the following months, the device will get Native Xvid support. So, my guess is WP7S will have Zune HD-like playback abilities, so, Xvid is definitively a go.
MKV thought are not played in the software.
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what kind of program would u recommend to convert these files mine always takes 4ever, but then again my laptop is pretty darn slow, but what do u use?
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MeGUI not the easiest tool but the most powerful.
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MeGUI not the easiest tool but the most powerful.
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ok thanks, im sure ill have it figured out bout time wp7 hits
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MeGUI not the easiest tool but the most powerful.
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MeGUI is a great tool. I use it all the time. It real easy to you after you figure it out for the first time.
megui is for kiddies.
x264 cmd line is where it's @
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megui is for kiddies.
x264 cmd line is where it's @
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Try converting ac3 using x264 cmd
JediFonger said:
megui is for kiddies.
x264 cmd line is where it's @
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Well I guess I'm to lazy to use the command line.
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Who needs 6 channel stream on a mobile device
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Me. Coupled with form of decent headphone virtualisation system, naturally.
Dolby Headphone would do at a pinch, but something based on Smyth Virtual Surround would be even better.
Now that some of us (who own a N1) are receiving the OTA update for android 2.2..... Is there anyone who can tell, if there is DIVX support in Froyo?
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Now that some of us (who own a N1) are receiving the OTA update for android 2.2..... Is there anyone who can tell, if there is DIVX support in Froyo?
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Definitley not.
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Definitley not.
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Too bad... thanks for clearing that up
I really cant believe google still decided not to include DIVX support for their device! The hardware supposed to support them (in fact too good for it).
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Dont.. Coreplayer is over priced rubbish. Those guys blame all sorts of things on the lack of APIs and inferior SDKs, when really they just cant do something and justify the huge price they ask. Simple fact.. Android will not support a player that costs 19.99. zyflash is as good as coreplayer would ever get on Android, unless HTC release Divx support. If they do there is no reason to pay for coreplayer since the native player will work fine, and a number of free of cheap alternatives will pop up.
Coreplayer for winmo has been a waste of time for the recent CPUs because qualcomm simply dont support anything but the MPEG4 format they accelerate. Coreplayer isnt getting around this, its just letting you play the files unaccelerated, playback performance is not good.
Why d'ya want DivX anyway? It's a desperately outdated, inefficent format, and I have to use ffmpeg to play it under Windows because the official DivX decoder is horrible, crashes and has dreadful quality. Why support that nonsense? H.264 FTW!
i got an Hd2 with coreplayer and im able to see any divx with excellent frame rate! the only issue is the lack of AC3 audio codec support.
it's a shame that i can't do the same on desire - just drag&drop a movie to see it outside!
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This isn't the first time I've seen an opinionated fool like this idiot wade in with such nonsense about Divx / Xvid - some fools just don't think things through. I have approx 3,000 films of which around 98% are in Divx / Xvid - have you any idea how much room that takes up ? Well, son , some quick mathematics would indicate if we just arbitrarily said each film was 700MB, then 3,000 * 700 = 2,100,000MB - do you REALLY think I'm going to re-encode these ? Get a life son and think it through - at present, the lack of Divx / Xvid support is a serious pain in the arse, something which needs to be addressed - I understand it has to do with the underlying Java in Android - whatever - Froyo / Gingerbread needs to up the Android game, which I feel they are doing, to make it a multimedia powerhouse - chop chop
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Not being funny but WHY are they in Divx format? I have hundred of movies as well, NONE are in Divx. Divx is dead, MPEG4 is how its going to be because hardware acceleration for MPEG 4 is fast and cheap and efficient.
So you have loads of Divx films, fine, your phone will not hold anything like all of them, so encode when you want to put one on.
Lets get one thing straight. Divx support is BACKWARDS compatibility. Backwards compatibility is never guaranteed in any format change. MP4 is everywhere now, from audio, to youtube, digital satellite and cable through to high end Blu-ray. 700MB Divx implies low res, low bit rate DVD rips, a pretty horrid experience if i may say. If i had those files i would be upgrading to BR rips or at least up scaled higher bitrate files. Even if i didnt want to do that a conversion to MP4 wouldn't take long on such a file.
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i got an Hd2 with coreplayer and im able to see any divx with excellent frame rate! the only issue is the lack of AC3 audio codec support.
it's a shame that i can't do the same on desire - just drag&drop a movie to see it outside!
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Its 'ok' on the HD2 yeah, but still costs a lot when TCPMP is free and almost as good. zyPlayer (as its now called in 1.4 form) seems better for WMV files now on Android, most play quite smoothly, AVIs are still a bit sluggish.
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Divx is dead, MPEG4 is how its going to be because hardware acceleration for MPEG 4 is fast and cheap and efficient.
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Small point of order, but it's a little bit of a nonsense to talk about DivX and MPEG4 in these terms, because DivX *is* MPEG4.
More specifically, DivX is an implementation of the MPEG4 Part 2.
What you are really referring to is H264, which is an implementation of MPEG4 Part 10.
To say that DivX is dead at this stage though would be premature - If you're a regular downloader of TV shows via BitTorrent, most of the content you find will be DivX/XVid. Given that Samsung and LG Android phones support DivX, and that HTC announced that the Desire would be getting an update to support DivX, there are clear indications that support for the codec is still desirable - legacy codec or not.
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It's not a sunrise that froyo doesn't include divx support.
Google are responsible for the OS
It is HTC who have to update the feature. And put divx support. Personally to me its not a deal breaker . I had a Samsung jet with divx support never had cause to watch a film on it.
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I had a Samsung jet with divx support never had cause to watch a film on it.
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Given the size of the Jet i wouldnt either.. but i had/have the Omnia HD and i can tell you it was brilliant to watch TV/Films on it. Infact it was so cool i could just drop files onto the SD card and then at lunch time at work just nip out and pass the time watching a proggy.
Now i had to know what i fancy to watch and wait 1hour even 2 hours for it to convert.
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Small point of order, but it's a little bit of a nonsense to talk about DivX and MPEG4 in these terms, because DivX *is* MPEG4.
More specifically, DivX is an implementation of the MPEG4 Part 2.
What you are really referring to is H264, which is an implementation of MPEG4 Part 10.
To say that DivX is dead at this stage though would be premature - If you're a regular downloader of TV shows via BitTorrent, most of the content you find will be DivX/XVid. Given that Samsung and LG Android phones support DivX, and that HTC announced that the Desire would be getting an update to support DivX, there are clear indications that support for the codec is still desirable - legacy codec or not.
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Only ever download HD content so Divx isnt an issue for me.
Popping out at lunch to watch a film....
That's sad , why don't you ask that girl that you always fancied out for lunch instead of being billy no mates..
You should use this player may be, i read my old avi with no prob...
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Popping out at lunch to watch a film....
That's sad , why don't you ask that girl that you always fancied out for lunch instead of being billy no mates..
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lol!!
sometimes u get mithered all day you just want to get out and chill for an hour.
but hey its spring/summer now and thats usually involved a trip to the bear gardens. just annoying you have to go back to work afterwards.
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lol!!
sometimes u get mithered all day you just want to get out and chill for an hour.
but hey its spring/summer now and thats usually involved a trip to the bear gardens. just annoying you have to go back to work afterwards.
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Ah yes the bear gardens. A great place to spend lunch
that yxplayer sucks, andriod is not open when it comes to API, developers do not have access to hardware accelleration.
i'm also a n900 user and you can download codec support and watch almost all formats within resolution limitation.
Andriod phone suck for multi media!
yxplayer is all u need and its very well supported... 1 update a week so far for me
Does anyone know why Zune software is converting WMV video before syncing with HD7, and how to stop auto conversions?
When in zune collection and music click settings near top right corner and look in there.
There are settings for music to convert if quality higher then XYZ or never convert ut until now I have not found a way to stop video. However if you were to stop it you would not be able to play it. My Zune only converts formats it does not recognise.
It copies with no cnversion m4v, mp4 and wmv.
Yes, no option for video...Is there a way of by-passing Zune and drop files into phones folder?
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Yes, no option for video...Is there a way of by-passing Zune and drop files into phones folder?
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For now no. Again zune will only play specific formats and if your video is already in it desktop zune will not convert.
Thank You.
m4v and mp4 are converting when i try to sync, is there a way to stop this once start (ie tell it not to sync any more).
why are they converting anyway?
Zune Automatically converts videos to a format that is usable on the phone.
Just because it's an AVI video, that doesn't mean the phone can play that specific codec. Also, some bitrates, etc. may not be supported (not sure on that).
Windows Media Player does the same thing for Windows Mobile 6.x, and even DoubleTwist does the same thing for Android devices.
Also, Zune uses MP4 formats. There is no Windows Media player in Windows Phone 7. It's a Zune HD with a phone.
This is like complaining why iTunes is converting you WMAs to AAC before syncing them to you iPhone... ... ... ...
Media Synching software has been doing this for close to a decade, if not longer.
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Zune Automatically converts videos to a format that is usable on the phone.
Just because it's an AVI video, that doesn't mean the phone can play that specific codec. Also, some bitrates, etc. may not be supported (not sure on that).
Windows Media Player does the same thing for Windows Mobile 6.x, and even DoubleTwist does the same thing for Android devices.
Also, Zune uses MP4 formats. There is no Windows Media player in Windows Phone 7. It's a Zune HD with a phone.
This is like complaining why iTunes is converting you WMAs to AAC before syncing them to you iPhone... ... ... ...
Media Synching software has been doing this for close to a decade, if not longer.
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Bolox a 720p Family guy blue harvest in divx (my own copy) was converted to mp4 but resolution was not lowered.
A 720p family guy something dark side in mp4 was converted to mp4 but resolution was not lowered or audio adjusted.
A stock resolution death race in wmv was at first not recognised by zune but worked ok in WMP and microsoft movie maker as a wmv file. After that zune suddenly recognised it but still converted it to wmv before copying.
A mobile resolution 320x240 family guy seazon 8 in wmv was not converted at all it was saying converting percenteg went to 5% and then suddenly 100% and it was syncing.
There is an issue there with zune not knowing what it does.
What is bolox?
There are different version of the Windows Media codec. That's not telling much. Do you have a list of which WM Codecs the Zune HD/WP7 supports?
Most media players will transcode unsupported formats to a supported format when you sync files to the phone.
Lots of them will also convert pictures to a supported format as well.
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What is bolox?
There are different version of the Windows Media codec. That's not telling much. Do you have a list of which WM Codecs the Zune HD/WP7 supports?
Most media players will transcode unsupported formats to a supported format when you sync files to the phone.
Lots of them will also convert pictures to a supported format as well.
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Yep right wmv being microsoft code wmv = windows media video yet it still transcodes them. On top of that PC with no extra codecs just what is in win7, plays it so why it would not be the same?
On top of that I compress videos always with the same profile. Some videos get converted some do not.
One more windows live movie maker from windows essentials 2011 has option to save in windows phone format. Which is specific resolutions and codec (mp4) with no ability to change anything in that, unlike other profiles, yet zune still converts that to mp4.
Check your facts before posting. Microsoft introduced those profiles just wp7 release and they do not work.
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Bolox a 720p Family guy blue harvest in divx (my own copy) was converted to mp4 but resolution was not lowered.
A 720p family guy something dark side in mp4 was converted to mp4 but resolution was not lowered or audio adjusted.
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Ruscik, I am following a similar issue and am trying to push MS into enabling avi containers, but like you mention this issue is much bigger then I initially thought.
Would you please be so kind to raise your concern in these posts:
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http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/b71af2ac-9f72-4b10-a5ee-eaa29c1933e7
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Ruscik, I am following a similar issue and am trying to push MS into enabling avi containers, but like you mention this issue is much bigger then I initially thought.
Would you please be so kind to raise your concern in these posts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8987038#post8987038
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/b71af2ac-9f72-4b10-a5ee-eaa29c1933e7
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Back from holiday and posted my greef on ms forum plus many more.
So, when i go to download my digital copy, i get a choice between iTunes format and windows mediaplayer format. While the iTunes format will work with all sorts of devices (iPods, iPhones, etc.) the windows media format explicitly states it will not work with Zune or Zune devices. wtf...? I was excited to see Inception on my Focus and now I have to go back to my tilt2 and use its media player if i want to watch it on a cellular device?! Does anyone know if there's a way to import either the WMP format or the iTunes format to Zune, so i can actually use my WP7 device for this???
Pretty sure wp7 can play mp4 files, which iirc is a quicktime container (correct me if I'm wrong).
Also WP7 isn't a zunehd. It has zunehd functionality but capabilities are necesarily the same. Should have just gone and downloaded some files and checked before u got it, imo.
Inception isnt that good, anyways
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Sounds like something Warner Bros should address and add WP7 compatibility. Dont see it happening though.
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Sounds like something Warner Bros should address and add WP7 compatibility. Dont see it happening though.
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According to WmPoweruser today's article
WP7 doesn't see MP4.
I'm pretty sure Zune can transcode them to you phone since it's one of the Codecs the software actually adds to Windows systems that dont' have it (i.e. Windows XP).
The Zune Desktop Software natively supports MP4 files, so there's no reason not to believe it cannot transcode them for your WP7 or ZuneHD device.
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I'm pretty sure Zune can transcode them to you phone since it's one of the Codecs the software actually adds to Windows systems that dont' have it (i.e. Windows XP).
The Zune Desktop Software natively supports MP4 files, so there's no reason not to believe it cannot transcode them for your WP7 or ZuneHD device.
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Ah yes. So when you throw like 3 movies to your device you wait like 4 hours for "transcoding".
Because of the "Zune concept".
Yeah, it'd be pretty nifty if it could play every format, but I got used to handbraking files for my Tilt2 anyway, just because they saved a ton of space, and, in my opinion, looked better when they were properly encoded for the screen size they were gonna be played on. So, yeah, the system had already broken me into not expecting magic from a cell phone. Ohwellz.
Like most gripes about 7, this one is likely rooted into Microsoft complying with an IP owner's crazy demands just so they can offer content at all. That's the price we pay.
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Ah yes. So when you throw like 3 movies to your device you wait like 4 hours for "transcoding".
Because of the "Zune concept".
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Which movie did you transcode that took 4 hours?
So I was on SuperTube (paid version) trying to play a music video uploaded yesterday.
This specific video had up to 1080p quality, and I decided to stream the 720p version on SuperTube. Five seconds later I received a "Open Video Error!".
After using Keepvid.com to download this specific video, it turns out the video was part of the new wave of WebM encoded videos on YouTube.
To further confirm this issue, I specifically looked for WebM encoded videos on YouTube, sent it to my WP7, and copy-pasted the video name into SuperTube to try. Same error.
We all know that Microsoft is not going to support the codec, and SuperTube depends on Zune to play the .MP4 contained videos from YouTube.
Also, in some cases, the native YouTube app is unable to play the videos.
It is important to note that YouTube still encodes 360p videos using H264 and not WebM, as I was able to play those fine on SuperTube. LazyTube tends to play most of my test cases, with exceptions.
So, here I am presenting this potential problem (as YouTube will completely more to WebM soon) with WP7 YouTube and Video codec problem. What are you thoughts?
Any Ideas?
PS: To further confirm that 360p videos work and 720p videos do not, I downloaded the videos and uploaded them to my phone directly through Explorer (using the registry hack to make the device appear) and the 360p worked, while the 720p did not.
I've read and heard from my friends reports that there are problems with HD videos on Android devices, too. Whether this is due to WebM or not I don't know.
The whole world must bend over backwards now because Google doesn't like paying. No single SoC supports decoding WebM at this time, so it's not even up to Microsoft. Whether we will see hardware support for this new codec is questionable because it's not at all clear whether it's clean in terms of IP and patents. With open source stuff, the one who implements something is sued, not the one who wrote stuff.
Serriously I dont see the need for Google to push WebM, H.264 is well supported, it's funny that google make a webM plugin for IE9 and MS make a H.264 plugin for chrome
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Serriously I dont see the need for Google to push WebM, H.264 is well supported, it's funny that google make a webM plugin for IE9 and MS make a H.264 plugin for chrome
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native app on iphone is "missing" a lot of videos, many cant be played on mobile devices anymore. Also the copyrighted stuff or blocked in your country is getting worse. Its time for a good alternative to come up and all just switch away from youtube, unfortunately there is none and its a great service.
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I've read and heard from my friends reports that there are problems with HD videos on Android devices, too. Whether this is due to WebM or not I don't know.
The whole world must bend over backwards now because Google doesn't like paying. No single SoC supports decoding WebM at this time, so it's not even up to Microsoft. Whether we will see hardware support for this new codec is questionable because it's not at all clear whether it's clean in terms of IP and patents. With open source stuff, the one who implements something is sued, not the one who wrote stuff.
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Only Andorid 2.3.2 (or 3) and above support WebM. Lower versions do not.
You can decode in software, but LOL on a mobile device that is kind of laughable. Say bye bye to your battery as this overworks your processor...
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native app on iphone is "missing" a lot of videos, many cant be played on mobile devices anymore. Also the copyrighted stuff or blocked in your country is getting worse. Its time for a good alternative to come up and all just switch away from youtube, unfortunately there is none and its a great service.
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don't blame youtube for these issues. blame coyrights, drm, and people that think nothing should ever be redistributed. youtube is following what the lawyers say they have to.
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don't blame youtube for these issues. blame coyrights, drm, and people that think nothing should ever be redistributed. youtube is following what the lawyers say they have to.
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I understand why. Its just stupid it has never been like this but as of recently there are a ton of videos being blocked. Even though the rights to broadcast have been always there and now they are just gone. So yeah no wonder people blame youtube if the exact same vids could always be watched trough officials channels then all of a sudden not supported in your country.
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Android 2.3.3 cannot add hardware support for a new codec if it's missing in the device SoC. Or can it?
I can't imagine hardware support for WebM appearing overnight unless it's the same thing as MPEG4 Part 10 (which is what MPEG-LA will be happy to sue the hell out of everyone over).
^ wow
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Wow what exactly? Is it true hardware support or software decoding?
It's probably software, but does it matter? Future SoCs may (most likely will) start supporting it in hardware because Google has the means to force feed it down consumers' throats. Once they finish transcoding all the YouTube content and switch to an HTML5 interface by default this can severely limit non-Android devices, especially if you don't want a device with Adobe Flash, since the site will stream WebM to your device.
Unless they keep H.264 versions as well, in which case I don't care.
But I don't like the way they are trying to force feed an inferior media codec down everyone's throats...
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It's probably software, but does it matter?
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You can decode in software, but LOL on a mobile device that is kind of laughable. Say bye bye to your battery as this overworks your processor...
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Future SoCs may (most likely will) start supporting it in hardware because Google has the means to force feed it down consumers' throats. Once they finish transcoding all the YouTube content and switch to an HTML5 interface by default this can severely limit non-Android devices, especially if you don't want a device with Adobe Flash, since the site will stream WebM to your device.
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I'm not at all sure about it. Judging by how they are treating their own Android customers, the majority of whom aren't using 2.3.whatever with WebM support, they just don't give a damn. It'll be up to OEMs and chip makers. And those guys may get in trouble with WebM because of possible lawsuits, not Google. So it'll most probably end with software decoding as supplied by Google (although even that won't save them because Google doesn't protect their OEMs in patent and other IP issues).
But that's just my guess.
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But I don't like the way they are trying to force feed an inferior media codec down everyone's throats...
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Exactly. I find this uber annoying. But not at all surprising.
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Wow what exactly? Is it true hardware support or software decoding?
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read the article, you'll understand the wow. Google sux
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I meant does it matter in the grand scheme of things. Android phone users have gotten so used to poor battery life that most of them don't care. They'll just not use their phone for a couple days to post standby times on a forum and be happy.
What the underlying "what's it matter" meant (quite vaguely, I admit) what... Does it matter if it's software or hardware? Google's point is to promote their own codec by using their YouTube muscle, and they're going to make sure their own Browsers and Mobile platform are there first, which could potentially give consumers a reason to pick an Android phone over a competitor's...
So, does it matter if it's software or hardware if they are still accomplishing their goals (pushing WebM via YouTube down our throats and making sure Android is the first mobile OS to support it)?
Can you give a URL of a video that is not available? I think it's a bug in the software. YouTube is NOT going to encode videos in WebM exclusively. All videos in every resolution should be available in H264 and WebM.
This might change as soon as Adobe release a WebM capable Flash Player (10.4 maybe)...
Hades32 said:
Can you give a URL of a video that is not available? I think it's a bug in the software. YouTube is NOT going to encode videos in WebM exclusively. All videos in every resolution should be available in H264 and WebM.
This might change as soon as Adobe release a WebM capable Flash Player (10.4 maybe)...
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I can't give you a URL, but as of two days ago, my colleagues with DHD couldn't view a single newly uploaded HD video on YouTube with the built in client.
This may be because of a different problem though, that WebM is at fault is just my guess.
Hades32 said:
Can you give a URL of a video that is not available? I think it's a bug in the software. YouTube is NOT going to encode videos in WebM exclusively. All videos in every resolution should be available in H264 and WebM.
This might change as soon as Adobe release a WebM capable Flash Player (10.4 maybe)...
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YouTube is encoding all new videos in WebM, and transcoding a lot of others. I think most HD videos are being encoded to WebM.
Who are are you to say what they should be available as? You don't own YouTube, Google does...
N8ter said:
YouTube is encoding all new videos in WebM, and transcoding a lot of others. I think most HD videos are being encoded to WebM.
Who are are you to say what they should be available as? You don't own YouTube, Google does...
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I think he meant they should be, as in "if you check, you should find that they are encoded as both" not that he was stating what policies Google should be using. Whether he is right concerning the availability of both formats, I can't say.
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I have just confirmed this further with many more recent HD updates (from 25th of April and onwards), as well as a couple of my own videos uploaded.
The 720p and 1080p versions ARE being encoded in WebM, while the rest of the formats are still in their older forms...
Leave it up to google to fragment the hell out of something.......
Here is what Ive noticed with youtube as of late...
"Vevo" videos(music videos by signed artists that are sponsored or something by Vevo) do not show up when searched for on my ipod touch or my girlfriend's iphone<<<< This is stupid and is recent. Maybe because of the no ads thing on ipod's or iphone...I dont really know. They do however work with fastcode's Supertube app which is great. I dont know how long this will last with Supertube but Im hoping it doesnt change. Somehow fastcode is able to write a workaround with their code I guess. Again I dont know. All the while Microsoft is having some sort of issue with getting a proper youtube app out there for some other dumb reason probably to blame on Google. However Microsoft does allow Supertube to break rules by allowing the download feature to keep going. Again this is weird.
Now Youtube is encoding all hd videos in some new format "WebM" which Im certain will further complicate things on the developer side of things. This is just confusing.
Im not saying Google should allow people to just use their service for free or without any restrictions but I do not like the fact that Google sucks everyone in by leaving everything open at the beginning and then closes it up once they establish dominance in the market subsequently leaving people stranded and with no other choices.