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I have created a small FAQ to address some common WP7 related questions, a little attempt to try to stop people from asking same questions over and over again. Maybe the moderators can put it as sticky?
Q: Can I run Windows phone 7 on my HD2?
A: No you can't! Microsoft have told multiple times that there won't be an upgrade for HD2.
Q: I have seen screenshots of HD2 running WP7, is it possible to run WP7 on my HD2?
A: This might have been a fake picture. And even if it's real there will be no ugprade coming from Microsoft.
Q: But on my HD2 box it's written I'll receive free upgrade to WP7!
A: Microsoft are writing drivers for WP7 devices so it depends on Microsoft and not on HDC. Microsoft said the HD2 won't run it!
Q: But the HD2 meets the minimum hardware requirements, can I run WP7 on it?
A: It's decided by Microsoft, it will NOT run!
Q: Recently a ROM of WP7 was leaked can you give me step by step instructions to put it on my phone?
A: Nothing was leaked. The only thing that happened is that someone extracted the emulator image from the new Windows phone SDK.
Q: So what? Can I run it on my phone now?
A: No!
Q: I downloaded the leaked ROM but I don't know how to run it!
A: There's no leaked ROM. Download the Windows phone SDK and run the emulator from your Visual Studio project.
Q: Now that we have the leaked ROM can I cook it on my Touch pro 2?
A: No!
Q: Can I simply put the leaked ROM in my kitchen with a little hacks here and there and run WP7?
A: There's no leaked ROM. And the emulator image is based on x86 CPU. Your device runs an ARM CPU.
Q: I seen the file structure is the same like in my kitchen. Give me step by step instructions to cook a WP7 ROM for my device!
A: No it's not possible!
Q: If we have a real WP7 device and extract the ROM can the great developers at XDA please out it on my HP IPAQ?
A: WP7 is based on a new kernel and you don't have WP7 drivers for your device. It won't be possible to run WP7 on any older device.
Q: But I have bought a brand new HD2 and they said WP7 upgrade is free!
A: If you don't have the WP7 drivers for HD2 then it's not possible at all!
Q: But the hackers at XDA can still do it?
A: Probably not!
Q: That sucks! I'll switch to Android.
A: Have a nice day, goodbye!
Q: But I have bought a brand new HD2 and they said WP7 upgrade is free!
A: If you don't have the WP7 drivers for HD2 then it's not possible at all!
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A: You will probably get a new WP7 device either free or discounted.
LOL @ half the FAQ being HD2 owners
Well it can't be taken seriously enough to be a sticky if it's an FAQ for idiots. Half the questions about an HD2 and the other half about a leaked ROM? It's humorous, but non-thick-headed people might have real actual questions about 7.
The picture was fake, not probably fake.. and that's not even necessary to say since the answer to the first question was NO.
Funny post though
Q: Can I run Windows phone 7 on my HD2?
There is no real information about upgrading the HTC HD2 at the moment. Rumors and the whole information over 60% - 80% is not real about WM7 on HTCH D2. The HTC can not disappoint so many customers because they will lose them as a result to lose million of money. The HTC will take the case very seriously. And from the other hand HTC and Microsoft have very good dealings they can't "destroy" this dealing for a WM Upgrade! Think about it.......
Q: I have seen screenshots of HD2 running WP7, is it possible to run WP7 on my HD2?
At the moment no.Maybe fake or early Beta Versions for HTC Corporations Beta Testers-Programmers......One God knows!
Q: But the HD2 meets the minimum hardware requirements, can I run WP7 on it?
The HTC HD2 hasn't any minimum hardware requirements the ONLY minimum hardware is graphic processor nothings else! (except the Microsoft decisions for 3 buttons etc..... ) The WM7 can't switch to no Graphics Mode from the settings (i just thought!) ??? We don't know!!!
Q: That sucks! I'll switch to Android.
Hey calm down!! You don't know if the information about upgrade will available for Nowadays HTC devices
Q: The above questions are really vague???
Yes with possibility up to 60%-70% the information are really vague.
Q: But on my HD2 box it's written I'll receive free upgrade to WP7!
Your answer is right at least 60%. If theres any disagreement between Microsoft and HTC. HTC would produce only Android phones no Wphones.
Q: But the hackers at XDA can still do it?
The problem always have a solution most of time. Maybe not hackers at XDA can't do it but another hackers can do it...... vague that!!
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Well it can't be taken seriously enough to be a sticky if it's an FAQ for idiots. Half the questions about an HD2 and the other half about a leaked ROM? It's humorous, but non-thick-headed people might have real actual questions about 7.
The picture was fake, not probably fake.. and that's not even necessary to say since the answer to the first question was NO.
Funny post though
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The above questions are somewhat vague and you can't answer them by my opinion It's very very very very and 1 million very early for microsoft to take these decisions!! The WM7 it still fresh beta version.......Just think it......
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Very funny, ymmd
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Q: But the HD2 meets the minimum hardware requirements, can I run WP7 on it?
A: It's decided by Microsoft, it will NOT run!
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A better answer to that might be to point out that the HD2 doesn't meet the minimum hardware requirements.
It doesn't have a search button. Arguably it doesn't have a dedicated power button. It doesn't have a hardware camera button. It has only half a gigabyte of onboard flash, when the minimum amount needed is 8GB. It has an SD card reader which is banned on WP7S devices. There are also question-marks over whether it has the necessary "hardware scaler" (which apparently is distinct from the GPU) and, more seriously, whether its touch-screen is capable of registering the required four independent points of contact or only two.
burnblue said:
Well it can't be taken seriously enough to be a sticky if it's an FAQ for idiots. Half the questions about an HD2 and the other half about a leaked ROM? It's humorous, but non-thick-headed people might have real actual questions about 7.
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True, although I'd make this a real rule:
RAMMANN said:
Q: That sucks! I'll switch to Android.
A: Have a nice day, goodbye!
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And also would make that goodbye permanent in case someone breaks it. These posts are annoying as hell. Like threatening me that someone is switching to whatever OS has any meaning at all. I don't give a damn, and I'm here to read about WP7, really.
Shasarak said:
A better answer to that might be to point out that the HD2 doesn't meet the minimum hardware requirements.
It doesn't have a search button. Arguably it doesn't have a dedicated power button. It doesn't have a hardware camera button. It has only half a gigabyte of onboard flash, when the minimum amount needed is 8GB. It has an SD card reader which is banned on WP7S devices. There are also question-marks over whether it has the necessary "hardware scaler" (which apparently is distinct from the GPU) and, more seriously, whether its touch-screen is capable of registering the required four independent points of contact or only two.
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Yes, it doesn't meet the minimum requirements, but people keep saying it does.
I'm not an owner of a HD2 device but even if I had one I wouldn't be so sissy about it. It's a WM 6.5 device and that's it. WP7 is a completely new chapter! It's meant to be a new OS and not only an update. And even if we already figured out what the kernel and OS structure is still somewhat similar from what we have now..... it doesn't change a thing!
Today I read the emulator is unlocked. Great! But in the next post I had to read the same nonsene again "Can I put it on my device now?"
GRRRRRRMMMMM!!!!
Why don't they just GET IT????
To be fair, another very frequently asked question is:
Q: lolz, why u wnt WP7S on HD2, it sux0rs, u r all idiots, no wun eva sed HD2 wud have WP7 n e way why don you all just sht up?!?!?! lolz
or words to that effect. The answer would be something like:
Some people feel that HTC implied that there would be a WP7 upgrade for the HD2, and that HTC has broken its promises. Most people, however, are more annoyed about the impact of the WP7 announcement on WM6.x.
When we bought our HD2's just a couple of months ago, no one could have guessed that WP7 would not be backwards-compatible with WM6.x - in other words that no WM6.x application would run on WP7. The effect of this is that, from the moment of the announcement, W6.x became a dead platform as far as commercial software development is concerned. Of course, hobbyist development will continue; but there is no longer any good reason for commercial software houses to produce new products or updates for WM6.x; instead they will jump straight to WP7S.
We are already seeing this with a number of major companies, for example Skype, Adobe (who have cancelled their FlashPlayer project for WM6.x) and even Microsoft (who have have recently announced a new version of Silverlight for the platform Symbian, but decided not to do so for Windows Mobile).
HTC must have known this would happen at the time the HD2 first went on sale, but conveniently neglected to mention it to anyone, which has made a lot of people angry. A free upgrade to WP7S might have gone some way towards compensating.
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I think it's name must be VistaMobile not WP7
Very good all these, but Microsoft didn't ask HD2 owners if they want to run series 7 at them devices
Me and meny other owners we say NO, WE DIDN'T LIKE SERIES 7
We prefer our Leo like it is, with windows 6.5 or 6.5.3 and the HTC Sense which it is match more practical than the blue doors of series 7 and has better graphics.
We prefer to have copy paste, multi tasking, unlocked os, so as to put anything we want.
I had iPhone 3g and 3Gs before. I come back at WM because of these stupid restrictions, which they are only to make as to buy stupid apps from them stores.
If I must accept something like that, I prefer to original, I mean apple
MS the last years lost the most of the smartphone users. Only powers users continue with WM because of HTC no because Microsoft.
With series 7, they open the door for us also.
We are not at the them target plan, but they are not also at our plan.
The new users which they will come at the smartphones, they will have to choice between a new windows os and a famous iPhone os which after 3 years experience and millions sales will be better.
What you thing they will choice?
Microsoft made a big mistake. If they had an other way can win very easy all the disappointment iPhone and droid users, and after that the most of the new users which they will follow the new wave.
We will see after some months who is right.
Windows 7 --> EVO 4G
Forgive me for my ignorance on the issue. Based on the info posted here, I understand that one of the impediments to WP7-->HD2 is the lack of WP7 drivers for the HD2.
Then, is it safe to say that WP7-->EVO 4G will be in the same boat? Or will it be even worse off? Does it matter that the EVO 4G is an Android phone? Will that make it any harder to install WP7 on that device? Or would it present the exact same difficulties as installing WP7 on the HD2?
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Very good all these, but Microsoft didn't ask HD2 owners if they want to run series 7 at them devices
Me and meny other owners we say NO, WE DIDN'T LIKE SERIES 7
We prefer our Leo like it is, with windows 6.5 or 6.5.3 and the HTC Sense which it is match more practical than the blue doors of series 7 and has better graphics.
We prefer to have copy paste, multi tasking, unlocked os, so as to put anything we want.
I had iPhone 3g and 3Gs before. I come back at WM because of these stupid restrictions, which they are only to make as to buy stupid apps from them stores.
If I must accept something like that, I prefer to original, I mean apple
MS the last years lost the most of the smartphone users. Only powers users continue with WM because of HTC no because Microsoft.
With series 7, they open the door for us also.
We are not at the them target plan, but they are not also at our plan.
The new users which they will come at the smartphones, they will have to choice between a new windows os and a famous iPhone os which after 3 years experience and millions sales will be better.
What you thing they will choice?
Microsoft made a big mistake. If they had an other way can win very easy all the disappointment iPhone and droid users, and after that the most of the new users which they will follow the new wave.
We will see after some months who is right.
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+ 1. I couldnt agree more ...
I like to try wp7 for a while, but I'm pretty sure that i'll stick to 6.5 for at least a few years until microsoft improves it
Is there any from for the G2 from the HD2 phone??
You seriously want to put WinMo v6.5 on the G2? You're sick, dude. Real sick.
no kidding. **BARRRFF**
Ummm nope. Closed source means it's nearly impossible. Android on the other hand is open source, and so it can be ported to anything like my toaster.
One question though, why on earth would you want to put that crappy WinMo on an android device? That's like trading away a million dollars for a stale donut. Yummm.
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One question though, why on earth would you want to put that crappy WinMo on an android device? That's like trading away a million dollars for a stale donut. Yummm.
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Some people want the stale donut.
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Thats just stupid. I got rid of my Tilt 2 cause I couldn't stand Windows Mobile anymore and got a Desire Z
Broman400 said:
Thats just stupid. I got rid of my Tilt 2 cause I couldn't stand Windows Mobile anymore and got a Desire Z
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Same. Windows Mobile is dead. Leave it dead.
Actually windowsmobile7 is awesome, growing marketplace, super iphone competitive
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I loved having the HD2 due to the ability for me to keep both WinMo and Android. My g/f chose to keep her HD2 with dual boot over getting a G2 simply because there are a handful of apps/games that are available on WinMo and oddly not available on Android that made it worth keeping WinMo around. I particularly was in favor of WinMo as I came off a decade long streak of WinMo PDA's. I liked the standalone(g/f doesn't have data plan) GPS progs available on WinMo such as igo8, tom tom, etc on WinMo over anything that was available on Android i.e. Mapdroyd.
Therefore, I still think WinMo is not "completely" dead....yet.
jinsoku3g said:
Actually windowsmobile7 is awesome, growing marketplace, super iphone competitive
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There is no Windows Mobile 7...People seem to not realize that windows mobile and windows phone are 2 different OSes.
jinsoku3g said:
Actually windowsmobile7 is awesome, growing marketplace, super iphone competitive
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Super iPhone competitive meaning a closed OS and little customization options? Windows Phone 7 has some cool aspects. But in its current state, the OS is good for casual users, less good for power users.
Windows Phone 7 is not relevant to this discussion, anyway. Closed source means that chances of it getting ported to the Vision are probably zero.
I'd like to know why anyone would want to downgrade to Windoze.
i'm confuse....why u want windows mobile 6.5?!
windows phone 7????? no features :S...no multitask....no copy past...
android is the best
I will upgrade mine g2 to a nexus s not for hd2 lol
Here it is. . .
http://youtu.be/NFoQNo237kI
I leave it at that.
Device is the HD7*.
Very Nice!
Yey! Best news ever.
This is silly. Why would you run Android on HD7? Why not run WP7 on EVO 4G instead?It makes more sense (no pun intended) as the hardware can make Android less laggy and you get the faster processor you always wanted in a WP7 device.
eternalemb said:
Sad to see an HD7 running that crap. However, now that this has been done I am hopeful that maybe we will be able to run WM6.5.3 on the HD7! =D that would be bliss...
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Why wouldn't you just use a HTC HD2?
Casey
Just another HD2... not interested...
BTW, I think it's a HD7 not S. There is T-Mobile sign on it.
It doesn't matter why you would run it, it just matters that you could, that could possibly open many doors of other mobile OS's . Does the HD7 have 1st gen Snapdragon HW or 2nd gen?
want... I do miss some the the android features.
I want it. WP7 is good, but to have both. Fricken sweet.
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It doesn't matter why you would run it, it just matters that you could, that could possibly open many doors of other mobile OS's . Does the HD7 have 1st gen Snapdragon HW or 2nd gen?
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My point exactly. WM6.5.3 on HD7 might not be far...oh and HD7 has 1st gen Snapdragon.
eternalemb said:
Sad to see an HD7 running that crap. However, now that this has been done I am hopeful that maybe we will be able to run WM6.5.3 on the HD7! =D that would be bliss...
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Sad to read such opinionated crap. I tried wp7 but I personally prefer android. You will have to agree that any choice of OS is good though?
PS sent from my hd2 running android ;-)
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It doesn't matter why you would run it, it just matters that you could, that could possibly open many doors of other mobile OS's . Does the HD7 have 1st gen Snapdragon HW or 2nd gen?
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2nd gen that is multicore but locked from the menufactorer,there is nothing we can do about it! :"(
This is good for all WP7 devices surely - giving people options to choose which OS they would like to run regardless of what brand they bought is a good thing. I bought my HD2 second off ebay, best decision ever. I would really like to try the WP7 software but I'm not keen of the windows live contact integration. Anyway if the video is to actually be believed then this is only good news for owners as long as the devs get the info and can make use of it, doubt it will take too long. :]
PS - does WP7 support .xml contact importing? (I know slightly off topic)
Casey_boy said:
Why wouldn't you just use a HTC HD2?
Casey
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Because no one is charging $800 for an HD7 atm, unlike the HD2.
airwa1kin7 said:
Because no one is charging $800 for an HD7 atm, unlike the HD2.
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I got my HD2 a month ago off craigslist for $200 just to dual boot WP7 and Gingerbread and I don't even have T Mobile. Wifi only. Best phone purchase I ever made. I can do everything I need(calls using Fring and texts using Google Voice) There is like no logical reason to get a new HD7 to get something that was available 2 years ago. No offense intended. Refurbished HD2's from T Mobile cost $29 bucks with the upgrade eligibility. If you want wm 6.5.3, don't wait for something to happen by the next person's hands. Port it yourself because you are one in a million that want that.
thank you for this very interesting post.
it would be great to run android on a hd7.
to your signature:
I completely agree with you, the hd2 is a awesome device and it is still my number one ;-)
awesome i love it
To good to be true..!!!
But after having Android & WP7 on the HD2, I say anythin's possible..!!!
eternalemb said:
Sad to see an HD7 running that crap. However, now that this has been done I am hopeful that maybe we will be able to run WM6.5.3 on the HD7! =D that would be bliss...
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Running WM6.5.3 on the HD7 is THE biggest crap. First they made hd2 waste oh hardware then hd7 even worst.
T-Mobile really needs some powerful HTC phone running android WITH 4.3" screen.
I ve been waiting for somebody (DFT) to port MAGLDR and run android on it.
BUT since ENGADGET havent said a word about that i dont totally believe it. But they havent said its KIRF so lets hope its true.
Since you haven't been following up on anything, HTC has announced the HTC Sensation AKA the Pyramid, and it will be going ton T-Mobile soon. All 2nd gen HW, with a 4.3" screen that sports qHD resolution.
See,the hardware of htc radar is so similar to desire hd,especially the CPU,they are totally same, as we all know htc radar is a mango device, so I've got a interesting question here :Is that possible for Desire hd get a mango? Sorry for my poor English ,wish you can understand me ,thank you~
Someone has to port it to the device.
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so..e...you mean there are possibilities?
You should've just bought the device which official runs the mango update then look for ports of android ROMs for the mango device which is more likely to happen compared to the other way around it which you mentioned on OP.
No
Never happened so far... possibility of it happening is very low, coz mango's proprietary, not open source like Android
but if is not open source, why it can be ported in the HTC HD2? and in the HD7 can be port the android??
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but if is not open source, why it can be ported in the HTC HD2? and in the HD7 can be port the android??
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#6 good question~!
renehd2 said:
but if is not open source, why it can be ported in the HTC HD2? and in the HD7 can be port the android??
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#6 good question~!
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No it isn't....it really isn't
The HD2 was originally designed to run Windows Phone OS, 6.0 i believe but correct me if im wrong.
It is in many ways similar to the DHD but they are NOT THE SAME DEVICE. It comes down to the source or WP7 being locked down, it is a MS piece of software, so you will be able to port it to compatible devices such as the HD2, but you would need access to the lowest level of source code in order to write for the DHD hardware (drivers, init etc blah)
This question has been asked so many time, just not about mango...Mods please close.
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No it isn't....it really isn't
The HD2 was originally designed to run Windows Phone OS, 6.0 i believe but correct me if im wrong.
It is in many ways similar to the DHD but they are NOT THE SAME DEVICE. It comes down to the source or WP7 being locked down, it is a MS piece of software, so you will be able to port it to compatible devices such as the HD2, but you would need access to the lowest level of source code in order to write for the DHD hardware (drivers, init etc blah)
This question has been asked so many time, just not about mango...Mods please close.
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But as far as i know windows mobile 6.5 is completely different from windows phone 7, and hd7 is a wp7 and can run android, so why not viceversa??
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But as far as i know windows mobile 6.5 is completely different from windows phone 7, and hd7 is a wp7 and can run android, so why not viceversa??
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The hd2 could run it due to a bootloader being made for it to run.
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Why would you want to run mango on your HTC anyways lol?
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renehd2 said:
But as far as i know windows mobile 6.5 is completely different from windows phone 7, and hd7 is a wp7 and can run android, so why not viceversa??
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I go back to my original point ITS STILL MICROSOFT CLOSED SOURCE
Who cares that the OS is different, Windows 95 is totally different from Windows 7 you try telling me that they are open source.
Yeesh, Why has this thread not been closed yet? We've had this question like a million times and we always trot out the same answer.
I just want to say Thank You to Apple for their continuous patents' suits, if you think that we will buy ourselves a ****ty iPhone, you're wrong. Even if every smartphone is banned, I'll rather buy a feature phone instead of a fuc*ing iPhone.
Seriously, this company is destroing innovation and technology. Patents system needs to be changed. Now a stupid patent is more important than an essential patent. WOW.
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I just want to say Thank You to Apple for their continuous patents' suits, if you think that we will buy ourselves a ****ty iPhone, you're wrong. Even if every smartphone is banned, I'll rather buy a feature phone instead of a fuc*ing iPhone.
Seriously, this company is destroing innovation and technology. Patents system needs to be changed. Now a stupid patent is more important than an essential patent. WOW.
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Destroying innovation? Was the iPod not innovative? What about when they came up with the original iPhone? And the iPad? Without them we wouldn't have our Androids. They popularized mp3 players, touch screen phones with minimal buttons, and tablets.
Sure, it's lame that they won the dispute, but they are definitely innovative.
We all know they're douches for the way they're handling it, stop crying and get over it.
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Destroying innovation? Was the iPod not innovative? What about when they came up with the original iPhone? And the iPad? Without them we wouldn't have our Androids. They popularized mp3 players, touch screen phones with minimal buttons, and tablets.
Sure, it's lame that they won the dispute, but they are definitely innovative.
We all know they're douches for the way they're handling it, stop crying and get over it.
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Wait that's right, Apple did everything first. You know Sony, Microsoft, and a lot of other companies were first too.
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TwinkyOfHope said:
Destroying innovation? Was the iPod not innovative? What about when they came up with the original iPhone? And the iPad? Without them we wouldn't have our Androids. They popularized mp3 players, touch screen phones with minimal buttons, and tablets.
Sure, it's lame that they won the dispute, but they are definitely innovative.
We all know they're douches for the way they're handling it, stop crying and get over it.
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There's a difference between being popular and innovative.
They are just popular, and whatever they do, becomes famous and an innovation. But it isn't.
Microsoft built the first tablet. And before the iPhone there were the Nokia smartphones. They just made them popular and said they invented that "innovative" product.
You're confusing innovation with invention. Apple are, without doubt, a very innovative company. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded.
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There's a difference between being popular and innovative.
They are just popular, and whatever they do, becomes famous and an innovation. But it isn't.
Microsoft built the first tablet. And before the iPhone there were the Nokia smartphones. They just made them popular and said they invented that "innovative" product.
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The microsoft tablet sucked, nokia smartphones sucked. Quit the fanboyism and hating.
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io53 said:
The microsoft tablet sucked, nokia smartphones sucked. Quit the fanboyism and hating.
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Yes, they sucked. But this shows that Apple did't invent them. They took the idea and improved it, just like Google is doing.
gnufabio said:
I just want to say Thank You to Apple...
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Wrong forum