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Nandroid Restore

Sorry if this is a stupid noob question but can someone tell me exactly if Nandroid Restore will recover these things:
Apps
Email accounts (Exchange) and all email/attachments
Settings
Call History
Text Messages
Picture Mail
I don't know why it's so hard to find this out but if you could help me out I would appreciate it. As I want to make my NAND fully unlocked but I don't want to have to lose everything as I'm on the road and don't want to redownload and setup on a 1x roaming network. Thanks in advance.

Yeah, nandroid is basically a system image. It keeps all your apps, settings and other information backed up exactly as it was when you made the backup.

Sorry, not that I don't believe you but can someone else confirm, as I said I don't want to get into a situation where I don't have the setup (since I'm not at home) where I can afford to do a restore.

superlinkx said:
Yeah, nandroid is basically a system image. It keeps all your apps, settings and other information backed up exactly as it was when you made the backup.
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what he said but feel free to not believe me also...

Thank you both!

lol I love peeps when they ask for so-called "second opinion" and they say "..not that I don't believe you" meaning, I don't believe you....haha j/k
Yeah nandroid backup/restore will basically put EVERYTHING back to where it was before, and not missing a single bit of it. It helped saves me lots of times because I flash all sorts of different ROMs from others to my own. I have a base ROM that I really like setup to where I like and nandroid backup, and restore when I want to get back to where I was in minutes. Loving DROID!

Two tools I can't live without: Nandroid and Titanium Backup.
Like vboyz103, I have a particular ROM fully configured and backed up via Nandroid. If I'm in the middle of playing around and have to run out the door, I can always nandroid restore that image and know I have a reliable phone to take with me. When I make that nandroid backup, I also do a backup with Titanium...
When I install a new ROM, the first thing I do is hit the market and download Titanium Backup. I run it and do a restore, and all my apps are then restored on to the new image, without having to go download them one-by-one. Once everything is back in place and I'm ready to start using it, I do another nandroid backup and save it as a "base" image of that particular ROM. If I screw it up, I can just nandroid restore that base image of that particular ROM.
That's my routine, I'm sure there are other methods that people prefer!

Didnt want to start a new thread just to ask another nandroid restore question.
Should you wipe data/dalvik before you nandroid restore?

XpAcErX said:
Didnt want to start a new thread just to ask another nandroid restore question.
Should you wipe data/dalvik before you nandroid restore?
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No, when you do a nandroid restore, the caches are replaced as well.

CentroniX said:
No, when you do a nandroid restore, the caches are replaced as well.
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thank you

Titanium Backup

Hey,
I have a question about Titanium Backup. If I understand it properly I have to lose all my apps and data to install or update a new ROM - full wipe - if necessary. Of course I may use Titanium backup but that is quite long process to restore all apps and data again, right? Do I need to tap on restoring every single app to install it etc.? AND may I restore system data as well or it makes no sense when the ROM needs a full wipe?
I really do not understand this properely. I am quite confused.
Thanks.

devcager said:
Hey,
I have a question about Titanium Backup. If I understand it properly I have to lose all my apps and data to install or update a new ROM - full wipe - if necessary. Of course I may use Titanium backup but that is quite long process to restore all apps and data again, right? Do I need to tap on restoring every single app to install it etc.? AND may I restore system data as well or it makes no sense when the ROM needs a full wipe?
I really do not understand this properely. I am quite confused.
Thanks.
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When I do a full wipe for a new ROM, google/market will reinstall all the apps I had and I just restore the missing apps/games that I had settings or saves for. I'd recommend to do a full backup and try yourself to see what works for you.

do not make a system backup cause it'll give you only loads of fc. Backup only installed apps. You don't have to restore app by app if you have a titanium backup pro or donate than it's doing everything for you.

If you are switching roms, you should only restore apps+data.
There is a batch mode that allows you to restore all of it at one go.
I haven't used system yet but i'm guessing you could restore some of you system setting if you do a factory reset?

You can always use something like appbrain to sync you apps again, then use titanium backup just to restore the data.

venomrat said:
If you are switching roms, you should only restore apps+data.
There is a batch mode that allows you to restore all of it at one go.
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I do this after each full wipe and new rom - it's a single click batch operation using the free version of Ti.

[Q] 2 Q's, backup, then app restore

2 Questions as I am going to start flashing some different ROM's.
1) Which should I use if I have a setup I like and may want to revert back to:
Nandroid backup or Titanium backup? Or do they do different things?
2) Once I flash the ROM and need to put it back to a condition with all the apps and settings as I would like, is there any easier process than using Appbrain to restore previously installed apps? But what about settings within various apps? Do people just go through and manually change everything each time?
Thanks in advance.

use a recovery like cwm. a nandroid backup is done by clockwork mod. it basically takes a picture of all files just as they are on your phone. minus your sd card. it is used as a restore if you run into problems with new stuff. titanium backup is used to save apps and data and settings. I would highly suggest you don't restore system data. also slot of people end up running into problems restoring app data using titanium backup. so I only restore apps by themselves. any more questions just ask. also if any info I give is wrong let me know. and as always if I have helped you give a thanks
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forgot some things. whenever you try out a new rom always do a cwm backup. before flashing a rom make sure to wipe everything like dalvik cache. cache. and also do the factory data wipe. calkulin has a. zip to do all this for you as well.

patrao_n said:
use a recovery like cwm. a nandroid backup is done by clockwork mod. it basically takes a picture of all files just as they are on your phone. minus your sd card. it is used as a restore if you run into problems with new stuff. titanium backup is used to save apps and data and settings. I would highly suggest you don't restore system data. also slot of people end up running into problems restoring app data using titanium backup. so I only restore apps by themselves. any more questions just ask. also if any info I give is wrong let me know. and as always if I have helped you give a thanks
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forgot some things. whenever you try out a new rom always do a cwm backup. before flashing a rom make sure to wipe everything like dalvik cache. cache. and also do the factory data wipe. calkulin has a. zip to do all this for you as well.
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Thanks for responding. So Titanium does everything a nandroid backup does plus the data and settings?
When people flash new ROM's (after wiping cache, etc.)do they use appbrain to restore all apps? or do people use Titanium to restore apps? I assume not a Nandroid backup as that will revert them back to the previous ROM. I assume they then still have to go through and adjust all the settings to their liking (browser default, lockscreen, background, etc.) seems like it would take about an hour just to get all settings back as you like it after each ROM flash. Is this what most people do or is there an easier way.
Thanks again.

patrao_n said:
use a recovery like cwm. a nandroid backup is done by clockwork mod. it basically takes a picture of all files just as they are on your phone. minus your sd card. it is used as a restore if you run into problems with new stuff. titanium backup is used to save apps and data and settings. I would highly suggest you don't restore system data. also slot of people end up running into problems restoring app data using titanium backup. so I only restore apps by themselves. any more questions just ask. also if any info I give is wrong let me know. and as always if I have helped you give a thanks
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forgot some things. whenever you try out a new rom always do a cwm backup. before flashing a rom make sure to wipe everything like dalvik cache. cache. and also do the factory data wipe. calkulin has a. zip to do all this for you as well.
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noahas said:
Thanks for responding. So Titanium does everything a nandroid backup does plus the data and settings?
When people flash new ROM's (after wiping cache, etc.)do they use appbrain to restore all apps? or do people use Titanium to restore apps? I assume not a Nandroid backup as that will revert them back to the previous ROM. I assume they then still have to go through and adjust all the settings to their liking (browser default, lockscreen, background, etc.) seems like it would take about an hour just to get all settings back as you like it after each ROM flash. Is this what most people do or is there an easier way.
Thanks again.
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Decent advice by patrao_n, but there are a couple of slight corrections.
With Titanium Backup, you can restore apps + data without issues in most cases, you just want to avoid restoring System Apps + data. Also, if you don't absolutely need the data, you will minimize the issues that some have - as noted by patrao_n - if you restore only apps.
As far as flashing a ROM, I would never advise a "one size fits all" solution (i.e before flashing a rom make sure to wipe everything like dalvik cache. cache. and also do the factory data wipe...) Instead, follow the instructions of the OP (original post) in the thread for the ROM you are flashing. The process can be quite different from ROM to ROM. Also there are three things that are your best friend before flashing, your two eyes and the search bar. Read and search thoroughly and you will find at least 50% and probably 90% of your answers on your own.
As far as your next questions:
Titanium restores app, data and some settings period. It is really nothing like a nandroid. It is meant to work in conjunction with a nandroid, but they are not the same. The nandroid is just like a restore point on a PC or a snapshot on Mac. The nandroid will take you back to the exact setup you had when you made it. Titanium will only restore your apps and some limited settings/data. External microSD and things like baseband (modem/radio) are not backed up/changed with a nandroid. You always want to have a nandroid (backup) of your preferred setup and I strongly advise that you keep a copy of that nandroid on your desktop (PC/Mac/Lin) as well. This way you are covered if something goes wrong.
AppBrain doesn't restore apps. It will tell you what you had installed and let you re-download them again one by one the same as the Market, but nothing other than a list is stored with AppBrain. It is basically just an alternative market.
In terms of restoring, there are any number of ways you can do this. Most third party launchers and many apps allow you to backup settings/setup to the sd. Using Titanium Backup Premium you can be setup in as little as 10 minutes depending on how many apps you have and how much you tweak your launcher. Also, whether or not you had to do a full wipe when changing ROMs or just cache and dalvik. Generally going from one version to the next of the same ROM, you are not doing a full wipe. Coming from one ROM to a different ROM you are doing a full wipe. Again check the OP of you particular ROM(s).
Personally, I use GO Launcher which allows me to restore my setup quickly and easily. Also I use the modified Format_All zip whenever possible so that all my data remains, meaning I don't really have to setup anything, just reboot and go. This doesn't always go as planned, but that's why you have a nandroid. More often than not it works for me. Typically I can change ROMs in less than 5 minutes using the modified Format_All.
Again, you are going to get much, much better advice if you read the OP and then ask questions in the ROM thread of your choice.
The one thing I can say, is take the time to learn. Don't take shortcuts before you know what you are doing or I can pretty much guarantee they won't end up being shortcuts.

Nandroid Backup Question

So heres a noob question.
If I use (Rouge currently) to do a "backup" under options. And then start flashing ROMs, if I restore that backup I did, does that get me 100% back to the point of when I did the backup? Meaning, it restores -everything- like it never happened?
I've always wondered this, so if I'm flashing things, I can always get back to my fully stable setup exactly like it never happened by restoring? Or does the backup via Rouge( or CWM, or whatever ) only back certain things and I'll have to do more setup after restoring to get back up and running exactly like I had the phone before?
Sorry for the noob question, just want to make sure I got this straight.

It will restore everything 100%. You also have the option to restore other partitions separate, system, boot, and the most important , data.
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TeamERA said:
It will restore everything 100%. You also have the option to restore other partitions separate, system, boot, and the most important , data.
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This is what I assumed, thank you for the confirmation!

Here is a follow up question:
If I do a Titianium Backup for apps and sys data. Then I flash a new ROM, I usually do a Titanium restore of both Sys and App data ... It gets me up and running the quickest.
1.) Is this safe, or will sys data mess with the ROM
2.) Is there a better, more supportable way to do this?

RubenRybnik said:
Here is a follow up question:
If I do a Titianium Backup for apps and sys data. Then I flash a new ROM, I usually do a Titanium restore of both Sys and App data ... It gets me up and running the quickest.
1.) Is this safe, or will sys data mess with the ROM
2.) Is there a better, more supportable way to do this?
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1) It's always best NOT to restore system data when flashing a new rom. All your system data is specific to the rom you are flashing, so you don't want anything to conflict with the new data you are using now. Will cause a lot of problems in the long run.
2) TB is the best way to restore apps and apps+data that I know of. MyBackUp Pro is another good one, but TB works best for me. I'm sure there are others in the market also.
And I moved this to the Q&A section.

Well, this is what I thought too in fact I rooted my phone, installed CWM and the next step I performed was a nandroid backup thinking I could get my stock setup back if I ever wanted it. All was good. Then I flashed for a while and found a setup I liked and before proceeding I did another nandroid. THEN a while later I got to a point were I found myself, for time purposes wanting to fall back to my second backup so I thought: "hey, lets try restoring from this nandroid file I so maticulously spent time creating"!
That's when, for me at least, this whole nandroid Backup/Restore exercise falls on its face. Because when I tried to restore the backup I made it gave me a MD5 error..and I know there's a workaround that you can use by modifying the file I think that's basically what your doing? I didn't try it, I figured if the file needed to be modified before it could be restored what was the point anyway.? I just used my plan B which was Titanium Backup.
Anyway I keep my eyes open for an answer to this mystery, I think it has to do with the different CWM versions from one ROM to the next? Still not sure though?
Oh and hopefully this post wont just get rudely deleted like my first post on the same subject did? I made the same mistake you have by posting in the "General" area instead of the Q&A section!

the only time I have had a Android fail for md5 was when I changed the name of the backup. so maybe that's what you did?

RubenRybnik said:
So heres a noob question.
If I use (Rouge currently) to do a "backup" under options. And then start flashing ROMs, if I restore that backup I did, does that get me 100% back to the point of when I did the backup? Meaning, it restores -everything- like it never happened?
I've always wondered this, so if I'm flashing things, I can always get back to my fully stable setup exactly like it never happened by restoring? Or does the backup via Rouge( or CWM, or whatever ) only back certain things and I'll have to do more setup after restoring to get back up and running exactly like I had the phone before?
Sorry for the noob question, just want to make sure I got this straight.
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I have done many restores and everything comes back just like it was before.
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Here is a follow up question:
If I do a Titianium Backup for apps and sys data. Then I flash a new ROM, I usually do a Titanium restore of both Sys and App data ... It gets me up and running the quickest.
1.) Is this safe, or will sys data mess with the ROM
2.) Is there a better, more supportable way to do this?
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I only use Titanium backup to backup and restore specific apps on my phone. I use CWM for the system.

patrao_n said:
the only time I have had a Android fail for md5 was when I changed the name of the backup. so maybe that's what you did?
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nope. I followed step by step...pretty hard to mess it up with qbking77 video's? Is there any other possible reason, you can think of?..and really, how many people test out thier restores? I'm just wondering?

Just one quick point of clarification regarding the Nandroid backup/restore. From what I've read, the restore will bring back your kernel and ROM but NOT the modem version. If the modem is important to you you'll have to flash that back separately.

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Just one quick point of clarification regarding the Nandroid backup/restore. From what I've read, the restore will bring back your kernel and ROM but NOT the modem version. If the modem is important to you you'll have to flash that back separately.
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Good point ... Thanks to everyone for the replies, got a much better understanding on the backup/restore process in both cwm and titanium now ) Thanks!
One more question about the MD5 ... So you can not change the name of the backup of CWM? I didn't think name change would effect how MD5 is generated.

RubenRybnik said:
Here is a follow up question:
If I do a Titianium Backup for apps and sys data. Then I flash a new ROM, I usually do a Titanium restore of both Sys and App data ... It gets me up and running the quickest.
1.) Is this safe, or will sys data mess with the ROM
2.) Is there a better, more supportable way to do this?
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You can also use your latest nandroid back up to restore data. I just tried this as a test with my wife's phone (i also did a separate back up in TB just in case) and it works well.
She was on one of Calks ROMs, and I wanted to switch her to the bare version of the ROM. I wiped data/cache/dalvik, installed the bare rom and rebooted. Once booted, I verified everything was gone (apps, contacts, sms, settings, ect). Then I went back to CWM and went to back up and restore->advanced restore-> restore data. When I booted back up, all her apps, contacts, sms, settings were back. I guess this would be a quick and dirty way to restore your stuff when jumping between a lot of ROMS.

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You can also use your latest nandroid back up to restore data. I just tried this as a test with my wife's phone (i also did a separate back up in TB just in case) and it works well.
She was on one of Calks ROMs, and I wanted to switch her to the bare version of the ROM. I wiped data/cache/dalvik, installed the bare rom and rebooted. Once booted, I verified everything was gone (apps, contacts, sms, settings, ect). Then I went back to CWM and went to back up and restore->advanced restore-> restore data. When I booted back up, all her apps, contacts, sms, settings were back. I guess this would be a quick and dirty way to restore your stuff when jumping between a lot of ROMS.
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So just to be clear ... "Restore Data" in CWM is just Apps and Apps data, no system data is restored correct?

RubenRybnik said:
So just to be clear ... "Restore Data" in CWM is just Apps and Apps data, no system data is restored correct?
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Yes on apps and data.

How to flash from Android Revolution HD to Core Droid?

Hello.
First sorry for my English so poor, it happens that my favorite language is not really speak Spanish. Anyway, that's beside the point.
I've always used Android Revolution HD, which is an amazing rom, but would like to try the CoreDroid v4.4 seeing ONE X has a very attractive graphical interface, and I wonder if I can just flash this rom without losing my applications, my games (and saved games) because when I change from one version of Android Revolution to a newer, I have no change in what I have on the phone.
Can I normally install without thorough cleaning (super wipe)?
Thanks in advance. Greetings from Dominican Republic excellent forum!!

It's highly recommended to do a full wipe before installing a new ROM - just make sure to backup everything you need before you do so. You can try installing it without a full wipe, but you'll have a greater chance of running into complications that way. All user files in your sdcard will not be touched during a super wipe.

tomascus said:
It's highly recommended to do a full wipe before installing a new ROM - just make sure to backup everything you need before you do so. You can try installing it without a full wipe, but you'll have a greater chance of running into complications that way. All user files in your sdcard will not be touched during a super wipe.
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Thanks for responding. What application do you recommend to do the backup? I have Titanium Backup, that's okay?

Yeah, use that to backup your user applications and use 'Go Backup Pro' to backup contacts, call logs etc.
Make sure to make a nanodroid backup just in case something goes wrong or you want to go back to ARHD.

tomascus said:
Yeah, use that to backup your user applications and use 'Go Backup Pro' to backup contacts, call logs etc.
Make sure to make a nanodroid backup just in case something goes wrong or you want to go back to ARHD.
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Sorry if I bother you, but I do not know how to do that the backup nanodroid, hehe

[email protected] said:
Sorry if I bother you, but I do not know how to do that the backup nanodroid, hehe
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From the recovery, i.e., clockworkmod.

I tried to make a backup nanodroid having free 2gb sd card in my and in the process he told me he did not have enough space, I suppose it's very heavy. In which case you would use a backup nanodroid? And which option should I choose in Titanium Backup? Backup all user app + system data?

[email protected] said:
I tried to make a backup nanodroid having free 2gb sd card in my and in the process he told me he did not have enough space, I suppose it's very heavy. In which case you would use a backup nanodroid? And which option should I choose in Titanium Backup? Backup all user app + system data?
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A nandroid backup is a full system backup: besides the andriod system itself it includes all your setting and all your apps (so: ARDH, setting and apps).
With a nandroid backup its very easy to go back to what you had; just restore the nandroid backup from within the recovery and your phone is back to exactly the way it was.
The only downside of a nandroid backup is the size, but then again, it needs to be because it includes everything!
I would recommend making some extra space on your phone and making the nandroid backup. This way, if Coredroid doesn't work for you, its very easy to go back to your ARHD.
Please keep in mind that since there is no s-off it is always neccesary to flash the right boot.img before going to another ROM or before going back!
Since you'll be using Titanium Backup switching ROMs it doesn't make sense to backup system data; big change there are some differences between system data (settings and stuff) for different ROMs. I would just backup all user apps and try to restore them in Coredroid.

TheJoker79 said:
A nandroid backup is a full system backup: besides the andriod system itself it includes all your setting and all your apps (so: ARDH, setting and apps).
With a nandroid backup its very easy to go back to what you had; just restore the nandroid backup from within the recovery and your phone is back to exactly the way it was.
The only downside of a nandroid backup is the size, but then again, it needs to be because it includes everything!
I would recommend making some extra space on your phone and making the nandroid backup. This way, if Coredroid doesn't work for you, its very easy to go back to your ARHD.
Please keep in mind that since there is no s-off it is always neccesary to flash the right boot.img before going to another ROM or before going back!
Since you'll be using Titanium Backup switching ROMs it doesn't make sense to backup system data; big change there are some differences between system data (settings and stuff) for different ROMs. I would just backup all user apps and try to restore them in Coredroid.
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Wow, thank you very much for this comprehensive information. I'll make a nanodroid backup and a backup of my applications with Titanium Backup to restore in Coredroid, and if not what I expected, just use the nanodroid backup to return to ARHD. I'll be back to tell you how I was. Thank you!

[email protected] said:
Wow, thank you very much for this comprehensive information. I'll make a nanodroid backup and a backup of my applications with Titanium Backup to restore in Coredroid, and if not what I expected, just use the nanodroid backup to return to ARHD. I'll be back to tell you how I was. Thank you!
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No problem, glad to help
Just don't forget u also need to flash the boot.img before restoring the nandroid backup.

[email protected] said:
Wow, thank you very much for this comprehensive information. I'll make a nanodroid backup and a backup of my applications with Titanium Backup to restore in Coredroid, and if not what I expected, just use the nanodroid backup to return to ARHD. I'll be back to tell you how I was. Thank you!
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just a heads up before you go and restore those apps: DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!
backing up is all good, i guess for the same rom at least. 9 times out of 10 restoring a backup, especially on the different rom, will completely bugger up the rom, and it will run like complete crap
just install the apps manually trust me - was rooting and custom romming my friends sensation a while ago, and he restored a backup, and it broke, so we had to wipe and reinstall the rom again to get it working properly
EDIT: definitely make the nandroid backup though.

lawrence750 said:
just a heads up before you go and restore those apps: DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!
backing up is all good, i guess for the same rom at least. 9 times out of 10 restoring a backup, especially on the different rom, will completely bugger up the rom, and it will run like complete crap
just install the apps manually trust me - was rooting and custom romming my friends sensation a while ago, and he restored a backup, and it broke, so we had to wipe and reinstall the rom again to get it working properly
EDIT: definitely make the nandroid backup though.
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Probably will bugger up the ROM if you try restore system apps. Didn't have any problems restoring all my user apps.

lawrence750 said:
just a heads up before you go and restore those apps: DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!
backing up is all good, i guess for the same rom at least. 9 times out of 10 restoring a backup, especially on the different rom, will completely bugger up the rom, and it will run like complete crap
just install the apps manually trust me - was rooting and custom romming my friends sensation a while ago, and he restored a backup, and it broke, so we had to wipe and reinstall the rom again to get it working properly
EDIT: definitely make the nandroid backup though.
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Hehehehe well my friends... I flash Coredroid and restore all applications including system apps from Titanium Backup. Everything is working perfectly.
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[email protected] said:
Hehehehe well my friends... I flash Coredroid and restore all applications including system apps from Titanium Backup. Everything is working perfectly.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
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that's good to hear - enjoy

[email protected] said:
Hehehehe well my friends... I flash Coredroid and restore all applications including system apps from Titanium Backup. Everything is working perfectly.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
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Great news, enjoy!
Be sure leave a reply in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1861399 to share your experiences with Coredroid.
I'm always curious for experiences with other roms and I'm sure other are too :laugh:

Well my friends, but I think a good rom, used just kept only until Android Revolution HD JellyBean reached (only missing a few days). Anyway thanks for your help, I learned a lot including how to backup properly.

you're welcome, glad to help
I'm waiting for ARHD Jelly Bean as well, but it's hard
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