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HTC Bresson: 16MP Windows Phone

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HTC Bresson, just revealed by This is my next as being on T-Mobile's roadmap, is the 16-megapixel Windows Phone 7 handset we recently saw a commercial for. According to the blog, Bresson is coming "beyond" the September 2011 timeframe, making it sound like a holiday release is in the cards -- and thus a likely Windows Phone 7.5 Mango build. Note that the hardware being displayed here is almost definitely just a placeholder for the real Bresson, as it seems to be little more than a modified Desire S.
Besides Bresson, we're also expecting HTC to bring the Ignite slate and Prime QWERTY slider to the WP7 family this year, although carriers for those devices (if they are coming to the US at all) remain a mystery. Bresson will likely only be rivaled in the megapixel count by the Altek Leo and Nokia N9/N950, whose premiere teaser advertisement we spotted earlier today. However, as many observers have noted, pixel count alone is not the most significant factor in determining picture quality.

Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.

doministry said:
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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agreed. I am curious to see a new Samsung or what Nokia is going to bring Post-Mango.

doministry said:
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Their cameras are...ok, not great. 16mp or 250mp, what's the difference if your quality is just...ok...????
Maybe we'll be impressed but, I'm not counting on anything myself.

Chances are this is the new Sony Exmor R module in the phone. Remember, manufacturers do not make all of a product in these kind of devices (LG/Samsung screens, Qualcomm chip, etc).
I am guessing HTC is not in the optics business. But I could be wrong.
Of course, putting a nice camera module in your phone is only half the battle; you still have to do some programming to get it to work well.

This is... weird.
Looking at the bigger picture here, you would have thought looking at their previous models that HTC would choose Android for a phone that's quite clearly going to be a high end flagship, they wouldn't put a 16mp camera in something that isn't going to be a big model for them.
I wonder if this indicates a shift in their preferred OS, or maybe I'm just reading too much into this

The Snapdragon 8x50 and 8x55 support up to 12 megapixels. The 8x60, which Windows Phone 7 does not currently support, supports 16 megapixels.
Edit: Though I did just notice that the official Qualcomm page says the 8x60 supports Windows Phone: http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs

Sounds like it will be pretty nice.

my next WP7 device will be NOKIA......

It is a great sales pitch.

The only HTC device I ever used was the HD7 and the camera was dreadful.

I guess it's just me but HTC seem to make phone that all look roughly the same.
At this time I think I'm going to be looking at the Nokia's WP7 models available In the first quarter of 2012 and pick up one of those.

I don't buy the phone for only the camera. Agree that HTC usually have a worse Camera than other smartphone, but they have a better build quality. Almost all HTC device look damn sexy. For example: HTC Leo and it's younger brother.

if youre into phone camera, nokia is the way to go. a lot of people are very impressed with phone camera nokia has in each of its phone releases. im sure nokia will bring that to their wp7 release. another thing, nokia also has phone releases that are very appealing to teens and they are way cheaper.lol!

well, with stock software my 12mp mozart is ok in daylight situation.
the updated software for the camera (which still hasnt been officially released)
is just awesome, it does near perfect pictures
ive uploaded two of them, currently im not running the updated camera and pictures tend to be bad quallity.
htc really need to step it up, get all parts of their phone working flawless together... like the xenon flash...

root beer said:
I guess it's just me but HTC seem to make phone that all look roughly the same.
At this time I think I'm going to be looking at the Nokia's WP7 models available In the first quarter of 2012 and pick up one of those.
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Nope. Not just you.

What HTC DOES do is reuse their shell and specs, as seen in all the Leo-ish devices. However, that design is a simple, yet beautiful design. I loved my HD2's design & I think the HD7 improved on it in every aspect. But you also have the EVO and such which use the same design.

webwalk® said:
well, with stock software my 12mp mozart is ok in daylight situation.
the updated software for the camera (which still hasnt been officially released)
is just awesome, it does near perfect pictures
ive uploaded two of them, currently im not running the updated camera and pictures tend to be bad quallity.
htc really need to step it up, get all parts of their phone working flawless together... like the xenon flash...
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Xcuse me but which 12mpx on your Mozart?!
A typo I think
Anyway daylight pics are easy for almost any camera today.
Show some night ones or in difficult light than we can talk.

aww its only 8 x(
however, in lowlight it gets grain and noisy,
the xenon provides good light for close ups, but thats it
well all im sayin is htc need to push some updates for cameras
but the hardware should be capable of making good pictures...

doministry said:
Just a pity the device is HTC made.
They make the worst cameras don't they.
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Also, touchscreens are poor too compared to Samsung/Apple and probably others. I have the HD7 and it doesn't track smoothly in the horizontal axis (with the phone in portrait more). Presume the HD2 and Desire HD are the same.

Motorola defy+ is Coming

Here i found this in the internet
http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/21/motorola-defy-mildly-upgraded-defy-heading-att/

I prefer my Defy with 2.3.4.

Interesting that the defy has a 3630 processor according to the forum and the defy+ has a 3620 .
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I prefer my defy too and with a omap 3620 is it not huge Upgraded its like a ass kick for more Speed xD the omap 3640 would be the better choice for defy plus
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the defy actually has a 3610 with an sgx530 gpu, its not a 3630 according to motorola. and our cpu can easily handle up to 1.2ghz, dunno why they had to replace it. maybe 3620 sounds/looks better, and they had to change something in the defy+... btw, does anybody know whether the defy+ roms will be compatible with a bayer defy?
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An omap3620 instead of 3610... I wouldn't call it an upgrade, they're are not much different, both CPUs support 1ghz clock speed while 3610 is underclocked.. so, once we "OC" our Defy to 1Ghz we get something like a Defy+
Well, not bad, i'll save some money.
Interesting that the defy has a 3630 processor according to the forum and the defy+ has a 3620
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Well, Motorola said 3610 but all points to 3630.. uhm, now Motorola says 3620, could it be an omap3640 then?

zakoo2 said:
the defy actually has a 3610 with an sgx530 gpu, its not a 3630 according to motorola. and our cpu can easily handle up to 1.2ghz, dunno why they had to replace it. maybe 3620 sounds/looks better, and they had to change something in the defy+... btw, does anybody know whether the defy+ roms will be compatible with a bayer defy?
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I think it would be compatible because the leaked gb from defy + works with Bayer Device Red lens i Have soc Device for me it doesnt work Hmm but the green lens is newer than the Red lens maybe we have luck and it works for green too
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xdaid said:
An omap3620 instead of 3610... I wouldn't call it an upgrade, they're are not much different, both CPUs support 1ghz clock speed while 3610 is underclocked.. so, once we "OC" our Defy to 1Ghz we get something like a Defy+
Well, not bad, i'll save some money.
Well, Motorola said 3610 but all points to 3630.. uhm, now Motorola says 3620, could it be an omap3640 then?
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I dont think it would be the omap 3640 but the cpu is much better than the omap 3620. I wish for the coming defy + owners that would be the omap 3640
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I think it would be compatible because the leaked gb from defy + works with Bayer Device Red lens i Have soc Device for me it doesnt work
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what do you mean it doesnt work? doesnt boot, freezes, or just the camera? and isnt there a patch for green lens to work on leaked gb?

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I think it would be compatible because the leaked gb from defy + works with Bayer Device Red lens i Have soc Device for me it doesnt work Hmm but the green lens is newer than the Red lens maybe we have luck and it works for green too
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erm unless im mistaken the red lens are newer.

zannyuk said:
erm unless im mistaken the red lens are newer.
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maybe he meant only the lens not the device. afaik the red lens is the same as in the milestone, and the green lens is also used in iphone 4. so the green is probably newer.

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maybe he meant only the lens not the device. afaik the red lens is the same as in the milestone, and the green lens is also used in iphone 4. so the green is probably newer.
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I don't think so...
Green lens aren't sell anymore, as they've been replaced with red lenses ( bayer ).

it doesnt sell with defy. but it does in iphone. so you cant be sure its older...

The iPhone 4 was firstly released June 24th 2010 so i do not think that it is possible to say that because the same sensor is used in the iPhone that thats why the green lens is newer.
But all leaked ROM's only work with RED lens camera so i think that the Defy+ will most likely be with that. Why would you make ROM's and afterwards change the camera and build new drivers in for that?

Good choice for android newbies, but so far my defy rocks already to me.

DEFY+ might be the same defy red lens phone...with GB....whatever might be the CPU we have TI 3630 currently which is bluffed by moto as TI 3610...jus need roms and sbf to flash on..!! waiting for the new leaks..

our defy is definitely has 3630..i still have no idea why dint they tell us the truth..maybe they had plans to make defy+ that time only..defy+ is actually a downgraded version of our defy, which will only have red lens (sad news for green lens users like me as those ROM wont support green lens)
even green lens has very good capabilities but its performance is limited to the software..we can see that in iphone 4 camera quality.

The defy will not be the first product that is placed in a position by marketing that is on a different level than what the technical staff built. It will also be no surprise of the defy+ turns out to meet an operator requirement instead of being what moto wants to build independently.
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I have to correct myself: the green defy lens is a ov5642 while the one in iphone 4 is ov5650. but according to the datasheets both support hd (or even fullhd) recording, so i dont get why they replaced it with the red lens (of which we dont even know the product id...).

According to Racca (a member here at XDA who has contacts with Motorola distributors), Defy+ will be pretty much the same as the model we have by now. The differences will be aesthetic (new cover: the "outer ring" - where the buttons and screws are located - wil be silver, with bordeaux or purple buttons/battery locker - screen pannel, the phone jack cover, MicroUSB cover and battery cover will remain black), and it'll have a slightly better battery (1700mAh). Also, yeah, our Defys all have OMAP 3630 (it's recognized many times in pieces of code, logs and also in RSD Lite), even though Moto says it's a 3610. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about this. Since we can NOT install ROMs made for phones with different hardware, no matter how slight are those differences (i.e.: Droid 2/Milestone 2 is almost identical to Defy in its inner parts - same screen, same camera module, same RAM modules... Except for the obvious differences, like the keyboard - which the pairs Quench/Cliq and T-Mo G1/MyTouch 3G shows that's not a hindrance to install ROMs, since they have same hardware, with Quench and MT3G lacking the keyboard and being able to receive Cliq and G1 ROMs - they're nearly identical, but some key components - like the mobo - are different) without some adaptation (many Defy ROMs are adapted Droid 2/Milestone 2 ROMs, with drivers changed and some pieces of coded edited to allow the flashing), the possibility to flash a SBF that is meant for Defy+ in a normal Defy without ANY modding is a clear proof, IMHO, that they also share the same CPU.
So, just to sum up: Defy+ is NOT going a new model (for our purposes). They'll just give it a new battery and some paintjob, and sell it as a whole new phone. Since we know our CPU can handle up to 1.35 GHz (not THAT stable, but I'm running my Defy at 1.3 without problems for a couple of weeks, now), 1GHz at a new model won't be anything new to us. Since we know the CPU is an OMAP 3630, there's no sense for us to believe they'll actually put a 3620 on Defy+. Finally, since the ROMs meant for Defy+ are completely flashable WITHOUT ANY WORKOUTS NEEDED (just plug the phone in RSD Lite and flash the SBF) in the current Defy, I think we have reasons to believe no actual upgrade is going to happen. Racca also told that they won't make any noise about the "new" model (which is good, because the Defy dev community would get REALLY upset if they announced it as a "whole new" replacement for the current Defy).
P.S.: Related, but not meaningful: Racca also said that, along with all the new mid and high end phones that Motorola released in the past 2 weeks, they were considering to equip Defy+ with 1GB RAM - which would be nice, but still, at least for me, not a reason to get a new device.
P.S. 2: In this page from official Motorola website, they say that Defy has a 3610 CPU, and PowerVR SGX 530. But, in this document from Texas Instruments (manufacturer of the OMAP processors), they say clearly that the 3610 has NO graphics accelerator, which is available only in 3620 and higher models. Also, Defy has IVA (Image, video and audio acceleration) 2+ (since it can record and playback 720p coded at h.264 - even though it's only available with hacking, the simple fact that it is available states that it is NO hardware limitation), which is not available in 3610 NOR in 3620, leaving us with 3630 as the only option of CPU for the Defy.

[Q] Confused between Motorola Defy and LG Optimus Black P970

Hi seniors,
I'm new to this forum. Just joined! I was a silent visitor to this forum since a long time. I didn't want to wait anymore. So, here I am!!
Guys, I badly need your suggestion to buy an Android smartphone. I love Motorola defy a lot, it falls under my budget and has a very good practical usability. However, I'm impressed with the LG Optimus Black P970 as well! I like the screen size, design and brightness of LG. Both devices have more or less same specs under the hood. I can overclock the defy to get 1GHz on par with LG.
So, what do I expect?
1. Budget under 20K (Indian Rupees)
2. Large screen
3. Decent hardware for fluid android experience
4. Nice cam for taking snaps and recording videos (720p preferred)
5. Good call quality and sound quality for music listening
6. Nice build for durability
7. Software update
8. Web browsing, navigation, emailing, document reading/editing, mobile presentation, and ip cams surveillance
9. Want to keep this phone for at least 3 years! (because I'm poor! )
10. Decent battery life
I'm a web application developer based in Bangalore, India. I'm planning to develop enterprise mobile applications for my customers. So, I need a good device to test and demo the applications to customers.
Please don't suggest me Samsung Galaxies or Waves or Aces. I don't know why but I hate them. May be the design I think.
The choice is between Defy and LG Optimus Black.
Please give your unbiased suggestions.
Thanks in advance

Defy Vs Lg optimus black
i think u better to go with lg optimus black

optimus black looks nice..specs are almost same..op black has 4 inch screen, 720p,official 2.3 and it looks nice also..rest all specs are same..but dere is 4k difference btw defy and optimus black..think!!

1. Budget under 20K (Indian Rupees)
Defy is cheaper
2. Large screen
Screen larger and brighter on LG (but the phone is bigger than Defy)
3. Decent hardware for fluid android experience
No much differences
4. Nice cam for taking snaps and recording videos (720p preferred)
LG can record 720p, Defy cannot
5. Good call quality and sound quality for music listening
Defy has better sound quality
6. Nice build for durability
No doubts, Defy wins here
7. Software update
Ouch, Motorola is a snail, LG is better
8. Web browsing, navigation, emailing, document reading/editing, mobile presentation, and ip cams surveillance
Nice for both devices
9. Want to keep this phone for at least 3 years! (because I'm poor! )
Absolutely Defy, it should be something like life-proof
10. Decent battery life
Defy should be slighty better
Personally, i like my Defy because it is a compact device with a big screen, no space wasted on the front side! Then it's dust/water resistant, performaces are not bad.
However, the hardware counterpart in the LG Optimus Black should be a bit better and, of course, the NOVA display too. Another thing you may want to consider (unlike the Defy) the LG has a frontal camera, 2mp (wow).
Now, i can't tell you what's the best for you, let us know what is your choice

I would also keep in mind the bad quality control issues on the defy, I know someone who bought 4 for his business about 3 months ago...all have to go in for the earpiece fault. Mine has been in for it, though I got mine before the production line issue was discovered.
Everyone I know with one has bad battery life on the stock Telstra Australian rom.
I got scratches on my screen in 3 days.
I get reboots quite often no matter what rom I have - I think it is q loose battery, I have jammed some paper in the case which seems to be working.
I have cracks on the bolts from dropping it numerous times- it is quite durable, but not as much as they make out.
I live the design and many aspects of the phone compared to my HTC desire , but I wouldn't buy or recommend a Motorola again.
Still, don't know if I would trust LG build quality either....

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optimus black looks nice..specs are almost same..op black has 4 inch screen, 720p,official 2.3 and it looks nice also..rest all specs are same..but dere is 4k difference btw defy and optimus black..think!!
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4k difference... that's what made me confused. Is it worth paying the extra 4k just for nova display, 4 inch screen, 2mp front cam, 720p recording out of the box and guaranteed official upgrade to gingerbread?

4. Nice cam for taking snaps and recording videos (720p preferred)
LG can record 720p, Defy cannot
Correction Defy can record 720p if you are lucky to get a red lense (Bayer). Check it with the retailer where you (if you go for the Defy) buy one. It does
not record 720p out of the box thats true you must do some tweaks by yourself if you are up for it. I can record 720p at 24fps on my red (bayer) lensed defy very well, allso on the stock camera app thx to walter ;-P.
2nd i would go for the optimus better support/upgrades then Moto will ever give you. But to pay allot more for the support.....
P.S. because of the price and durability and allready done experience with modding a motorola phone i chose the Defy.

gommers1978 said:
4. Nice cam for taking snaps and recording videos (720p preferred)
LG can record 720p, Defy cannot
Correction Defy can record 720p if you are lucky to get a red lense (Bayer). Check it with the retailer where you (if you go for the Defy) buy one. It does
not record 720p out of the box thats true you must do some tweaks by yourself if you are up for it. I can record 720p at 24fps on my red (bayer) lensed defy very well, allso on the stock camera app thx to walter ;-P.
2nd i would go for the optimus better support/upgrades then Moto will ever give you. But to pay allot more for the support.....
P.S. because of the price and durability and allready done experience with modding a motorola phone i chose the Defy.
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Here in Bangalore, we get defy with red lens only (June manufactured) I'm too not scared to tweak the phone to bring out the full potential of the phone. What did you do to get 720p on defy? Do I need to flash custom roms to get that?
Please point me to the relevant post so that I can learn myself.

I am in Bombay and I got Defy with Green lens. It was manufactured in July 2011.

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I am in Bombay and I got Defy with Green lens. It was manufactured in July 2011.
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I'm not sure about July manufactured devices... When I last checked, it had red lens so that I thought we would get defy manufactured post June with red lens ... Sad, it seems that I have to be lucky to get one with red lens, if I want to go for defy...

Just used the Catlog method to find out about my lens .... woopie its Bayer!!!
so green+Bayer means I can use 720p recording on the ginger leaked rom right?
its just been around 5 days since I got it. Am already feelign the urge to root and install Wiui or CM7. Also for some reason.... after installing a few apps.. my phone has become slow....

jasonmax said:
4k difference... that's what made me confused. Is it worth paying the extra 4k just for nova display, 4 inch screen, 2mp front cam, 720p recording out of the box and guaranteed official upgrade to gingerbread?
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well 18.5k is not much.i bought my defy for 17.2k two months ago..anyways optimus black looks fine..nice specs...although defy has its own advantages..
if u dont want to install any patch or something then optimus black is good..it has 720p recording..front cam and LG updates dere android mobiles regularly..even 2.3 update is available..
i think u should go for lg optimus black..
hmm...or defy ..
i like my defy..looks awesome and also very good support in this forum..one of the most active forum(moto defy) in xda..

With a 5k price difference, I would definitely go for a Defy.

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Just used the Catlog method to find out about my lens .... woopie its Bayer!!!
so green+Bayer means I can use 720p recording on the ginger leaked rom right?
its just been around 5 days since I got it. Am already feelign the urge to root and install Wiui or CM7. Also for some reason.... after installing a few apps.. my phone has become slow....
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If it is bayer and you want 720p video recording do not install CM7 as i have read in the CM7 forums it does not support 720p. Then i would suggest to install a nandroid and fixed sbf for a 2.3.4 original ROM.
(I myself recommend do not flash a full SBF but use a nandroid and a fixed SBF maybe others have a different opinion)

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If it is bayer and you want 720p video recording do not install CM7 as i have read in the CM7 forums it does not support 720p. Then i would suggest to install a nandroid and fixed sbf for a 2.3.4 original ROM.
(I myself recommend do not flash a full SBF but use a nandroid and a fixed SBF maybe others have a different opinion)
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Ok, I am also interested in the Motoginger 2.3.4 ROm which is based on the leaked defy+ rom....
and I am going to do it the Nandroid + SBF way
one question: I am on stock 2.2.2 Froyo from Moto. MY phone came pre installed with the bug free SEA version. Got it a few days ago.
My question is to install a custom rom like 2.3.4, do I still have to do a Nandroid + fixed SBF flash or just fixed SBF? since Ialready have 2.2.2 installed.
that si my only doubt before I get started. Want to keep my downgradablillty.

arpith.fbi said:
well 18.5k is not much.i bought my defy for 17.2k two months ago..anyways optimus black looks fine..nice specs...although defy has its own advantages..
if u dont want to install any patch or something then optimus black is good..it has 720p recording..front cam and LG updates dere android mobiles regularly..even 2.3 update is available..
i think u should go for lg optimus black..
hmm...or defy ..
i like my defy..looks awesome and also very good support in this forum..one of the most active forum(moto defy) in xda..
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defy is tempting me with the current price...
720p??? ok I can live without that... Software update??? this is very tricky part.. anyway, I have you the amazing guys who will help me out in trying custom roms.. won't you?
finally my choice is.....wait... is it possible for optimus black's price to come down? may be in 2-3 months?

jasonmax said:
defy is tempting me with the current price...
720p??? ok I can live without that... Software update??? this is very tricky part.. anyway, I have you the amazing guys who will help me out in trying custom roms.. won't you?
finally my choice is.....wait... is it possible for optimus black's price to come down? may be in 2-3 months?
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In jakarta, LG is cheaper than Defy, Rp 3.5M vs Rp 3.8 M. But I bought defy because its compact design

jasonmax said:
defy is tempting me with the current price...
720p??? ok I can live without that... Software update??? this is very tricky part.. anyway, I have you the amazing guys who will help me out in trying custom roms.. won't you?
finally my choice is.....wait... is it possible for optimus black's price to come down? may be in 2-3 months?
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yes..optimus black price will come down within a month according to a LG sales manager..but again..bottom line is u have to wait for a month or maybe 2!!
and within a month or 2 many more models will launch and again u will get confused.. new xperia series will be out this weekend..new mini pro, neo and all..so u may again get confused..so decide now only.

arpith.fbi said:
yes..optimus black price will come down within a month according to a LG sales manager..but again..bottom line is u have to wait for a month or maybe 2!!
and within a month or 2 many more models will launch and again u will get confused.. new xperia series will be out this weekend..new mini pro, neo and all..so u may again get confused..so decide now only.
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Well.... decided to go with defy for its ruggedness and practical things... My wify too loves defy than lg!
I don't know whether i'll get red lens or green... let's see...
I'm going to order my defy through letsbuy.com... with discount coupon, CTP (cost to pocket! ) is INR 14,399 (Jabra bluetooth headset free)
I'm thinking to get 16 GB Transcend class 4 micro SD card also for INR 1180. Will it work with defy without any problems?

overclockthesun said:
Just used the Catlog method to find out about my lens .... woopie its Bayer!!!
so green+Bayer means I can use 720p recording on the ginger leaked rom right?
its just been around 5 days since I got it. Am already feelign the urge to root and install Wiui or CM7. Also for some reason.... after installing a few apps.. my phone has become slow....
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How did you did it?? Because I would also like to now if i have a Bayer or a SOC Cam.
EDIT: I got it LibSOCJordanCamera

Imagesense chip will never be used on AOSP roms?

Im curious, the imagesense found on the One X supossedly makes the shutter speed faster, improves the quality on the pictures and videos taken with the phone but they use propietary drivers, so they're not used on AOSP roms like CM10 or AOKP, is the chip never going to be usable on these roms?

Yeah. I like to know that too
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Interesting... I haven't heard about that one. How much difference does it make just out of interest?

chrisoverson said:
Interesting... I haven't heard about that one. How much difference does it make just out of interest?
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Difficult to say, since the images and videos are massively over compressed.
Pretty sure that's the Sense camera app and not the chip, though.

If you mean the sense camera then no..it is possible..but too difficult to get it working on aosp based roms..

hello00 said:
If you mean the sense camera then no..it is possible..but too difficult to get it working on aosp based roms..
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No, no im not refering to sense camera, supossedly the one series phone have a dedicated chip for processing images and videos recording check this:
"HTC was proud to announce that not only are the phones awesome, built extremely well, trimmed down and run fast with HTC Sense, but they’ve also developed a new technology called ImageSense. HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores.
The ImageSense chip will not only offload the duties from the regular processor to keep the phone and operating system fast and stable. It will leave the camera completely uninterrupted to take quality, impressive photos. This also allows super-fast shooting possible with a 0.7-second shot time and a 0.2-second autofocus."
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-x-photos-show-off-new-imagesense-camera-technology-20120302/

Chad_Petree said:
No, no im not refering to sense camera, supossedly the one series phone have a dedicated chip for processing images and videos recording check this:
"HTC was proud to announce that not only are the phones awesome, built extremely well, trimmed down and run fast with HTC Sense, but they’ve also developed a new technology called ImageSense. HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores.
The ImageSense chip will not only offload the duties from the regular processor to keep the phone and operating system fast and stable. It will leave the camera completely uninterrupted to take quality, impressive photos. This also allows super-fast shooting possible with a 0.7-second shot time and a 0.2-second autofocus."
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-x-photos-show-off-new-imagesense-camera-technology-20120302/
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That sounds a bit misguided. The SoC has some space devoted to image processing, it's not another general processing core!

BenPope said:
That sounds a bit misguided. The SoC has some space devoted to image processing, it's not another general processing core!
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Its not another general processing core but its a dedicated discrete chip for the camera so not part of the SOC, could be image processing parts there as well ofc.
Granted this is about the MSM8960 One X but from what I've read the camera stuff is the same for all One S/X models and in part also for One V.
Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/5
"HTC’s ImageChip is responsible for most of the things that would traditionally be done on the SoC ISP. 3A (Autofocus, Auto white balance, and Autoexposure), lens correction (geometric and chromatic correction), noise reduction, best shot selection, continuous auto focus, controlling gains on the CMOS sensor, LED flash level decision, region of interest identification (augmented with face detection) and so on. This is all stuff you can verify yourself by taking apart some of the ISP related files - curiously enough internally ImageChip is actually referred to as “rawchip.” This is also the hardware responsible for enabling HTC’s extremely fast image continuous capture and frame grabbing during video capture (HTC Video Pic). It’s somewhat analogous to what Google and TI did with the OMAP4460 on the Galaxy Nexus, except discrete and with a much more ambitious focus."
More here in the One S review: http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...ug=htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile

Discrete? That surprises me, and I stand corrected.
Guess HTC aren't ambitious enough to expect sales of these phones to be high enough to work it in as a part of the SoC. That's at least a quid to the cost of the phone right there!

BenPope said:
Discrete? That surprises me, and I stand corrected.
Guess HTC aren't ambitious enough to expect sales of these phones to be high enough to work it in as a part of the SoC. That's at least a quid to the cost of the phone right there!
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Guess it enables HTC to have a consistently nice camera experience for users across their phones while picking whatever SOC is best/cheapest/comes with the right air interface for a region or carrier. Lol I feel like a PR parrot after typing that... Anyways IF a dev ever gets it working on AOSP for any device it might be easier to port it to other devices. I hear its not impossible, just a massive undertaking and will bring a lot of Sense framework which is not useful for much besides the camera, or maybe documentation will be released sometime. Now I'm just a hardware nerd with zero programming experience so take that with a grain of salt, I'd love to be proven wrong though

I can imagine the camera apk needing sense, but not the chip driver. Reverse engineering that driver and pulling in its dependencies could be a pain, as well of course as creating a new camera app.
If only there were more hours in the day...

[Q] [Q/DISCUSSION] Camera Slo-Mo 240FPS

I got really exited about the new OP Three, there are just a few aspects I don't like, one of them being 120fps filming instead of 240fps. I'm a complete noob, but I'm trying to inderstand why it can't record 240fps videos. As far as I know, our processor (SD820) can manage 240fps (see S7/G5), and I guess our camera sensor can too (IMX298), but I couldn't find that information.
Anyway, previously I was interested in getting slow motion on a DSLR camera (Canon EOS 700D), but I found some reasons why it would't be possible: http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/in...r0ic25ieqeee0&topic=11570.msg113776#msg113776
I know there are lots of differences between a smartphone and a DSLR camera, but what I found interesting was this:
3. The internal buses that move the raw data from the sensor to the image processors can't handle that much data (1920*1080*14bit*60fps = 1.7 Gigabits per second)
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OP3 can record [email protected] video, which would require 3840×2160×30fps=248832000 bits/s, while HD 240fps video would require 720×1280×240fps=221184000 bits/s (I'm not taking into account color depth since I assume it'd be the same in both cases).
Furthermore, some time ago, when camera2 api was first released, PkmX achieved 120fps and 4K on a nexus 5, which couldn't officially do that and had a far older sensor.
Since OP3 will be really developer-friendly and its sources are already available, do you think it'll be possible for developers to get 240fps, even on low res videos? Can you think of anything that could be a limitation?
Anyway, if I buy the phone eventually, I'll learn a bit about development and try to get it.
(Maybe I should mention that I found this digging into the sources, but I don't even know if it's related

iamthex said:
do you think it'll be possible for developers to get 240fps, even on low res videos? Can you think of anything that could be a limitation?
Anyway, if I buy the phone eventually, I'll learn a bit about development and try to get it.
(Maybe I should mention that I found this digging into the sources, but I don't even know if it's related
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you know the nexus 5x initially just had 120 fps and now it has a 240 fps mod, but thats due to the fact that google camera had just restricted it directly inthe apk itself, people just edited the google camera and BANG 240 fps on the nexus 5x.. oneplus3 could be a different story. i really wish it had it though, im like so close to buying this phone ! in the end i might just end up with the nexus 6p due to this feature

shriom_manerker said:
you know the nexus 5x initially just had 120 fps and now it has a 240 fps mod, but thats due to the fact that google camera had just restricted it directly inthe apk itself, people just edited the google camera and BANG 240 fps on the nexus 5x.. oneplus3 could be a different story. i really wish it had it though, im like so close to buying this phone ! in the end i might just end up with the nexus 6p due to this feature
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I bought the 3. So far it's not looking good. It looks like the camera2 API implementation is broken for photos and who knows what for video.
They released some source and made a big show about it, but there is still proprietary code they haven't released and may never--they never did with the One which still has no camera2.
Might want to hold out on the 3 for things to settle and by that time the new Sony should be out with a much better sensor.

Scrawson said:
I bought the 3. So far it's not looking good. It looks like the camera2 API implementation is broken for photos and who knows what for video.
They released some source and made a big show about it, but there is still proprietary code they haven't released and may never--they never did with the One which still has no camera2.
Might want to hold out on the 3 for things to settle and by that time the new Sony should be out with a much better sensor.
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i already placed my order :\ , i read somewhere that the external apps are working with camera2 api ! i dont remember which thread in xda but its there , one person was not working, others confirmed working