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I love my Evo, but I am contently torn between fresh's sense rom and CM. I have a hole routine of going from one to the other and having to backup and reload every time I do. They both are great but have their strong and weak points. I know we will never have a perfect rom that satisfies everything so i would like to have the ability with a simple app, be able to switch between roms more easily. Much like Rom Manager but more stream-lined. have 2 different roms all set up and backed up on the phone and the app backup and load the other version and vice versa. but also have the ability to wipe out the previous back up when done switching. Im not asking for a fancy boot loader but more an automated Nandroid swapper. I have 20 bucks in it for someone to pull this off.
hi guys, what's going on in here?
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hi guys, what's going on in here?
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$20? I really think a dev is worth more then that if he was going to obey your command. phew
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ricersniper said:
I love my Evo, but I am contently torn between fresh's sense rom and CM. I have a hole routine of going from one to the other and having to backup and reload every time I do. They both are great but have their strong and weak points. I know we will never have a perfect rom that satisfies everything so i would like to have the ability with a simple app, be able to switch between roms more easily. Much like Rom Manager but more stream-lined. have 2 different roms all set up and backed up on the phone and the app backup and load the other version and vice versa. but also have the ability to wipe out the previous back up when done switching. Im not asking for a fancy boot loader but more an automated Nandroid swapper. I have 20 bucks in it for someone to pull this off.
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$20 is not worth the pain in the ass of doing that...in fact I don't think an "app" could do that - ROM Manager is the closest you're going to get. Even if an app /was/ created, it still wouldn't be a quick jump from ROM to ROM, it would still take the same amount of time of restoring a nandroid. Next time, put a thread like this in the Themes and Apps section since you are requesting an application.
hey i dumped all my cash on the phone. if i had anymore than a 20 to my name i would throw it in i promise. besides their is enough interest in this i think others would be willing to throw in as well
this worked well last time >.>
ricersniper said:
I love my Evo, but I am contently torn between fresh's sense rom and CM. I have a hole routine of going from one to the other and having to backup and reload every time I do. They both are great but have their strong and weak points. I know we will never have a perfect rom that satisfies everything so i would like to have the ability with a simple app, be able to switch between roms more easily. Much like Rom Manager but more stream-lined. have 2 different roms all set up and backed up on the phone and the app backup and load the other version and vice versa. but also have the ability to wipe out the previous back up when done switching. Im not asking for a fancy boot loader but more an automated Nandroid swapper. I have 20 bucks in it for someone to pull this off.
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Hmm, so you want a Rom Manager clone does does 1 click backup/restore instead of 5/6 clicks on Rom Manager?
correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds to me like he wants, with one click, to backup his current rom AND switch to his alternate rom. that way every time he switches, his nandroid of the rom he switched from remains current. this would actually be pretty easy to write as a script I think. too bad I don't know how to do that
what would be even grander (and trickier) is to simultaneously have titanium backup do "redo backup" of user apps just prior to switching, and a "force restore" of user apps on bringing up the new rom, so even between nandroids, your user data stays current in your apps. how's that for dreaming.
no matter what, you've got the wait time to do all the backups. really, the better solution would be to run a separate version of android from an alternate location, like we used to do on the vogue. I used to be able to have 3 simultaneous bootable versions of android; one on nand, one on ext2, and one on the regular SD card. i could boot into each of them at will. now THAT'S what we need; I'd throw some money into the ability to boot from an ext3 partition.
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correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds to me like he wants, with one click, to backup his current rom AND switch to his alternate rom. that way every time he switches, his nandroid of the rom he switched from remains current. this would actually be pretty easy to write as a script I think. too bad I don't know how to do that
what would be even grander (and trickier) is to simultaneously have titanium backup do "redo backup" of user apps just prior to switching, and a "force restore" of user apps on bringing up the new rom, so even between nandroids, your user data stays current in your apps. how's that for dreaming.
no matter what, you've got the wait time to do all the backups. really, the better solution would be to run a separate version of android from an alternate location, like we used to do on the vogue. I used to be able to have 3 simultaneous bootable versions of android; one on nand, one on ext2, and one on the regular SD card. i could boot into each of them at will. now THAT'S what we need; I'd throw some money into the ability to boot from an ext3 partition.
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That's too funny, because it's true.
I actually keep going back and forth between the same 2 roms, I have both backed up and I make a new backup before switching to the other. The whole process takes less than 10 minutes but it's a bit of a pain and it would be cool to have it automated. $20 isn't much but I'm sure something like this would do fairly well on the market.
Edit: I've never really used Rom Manager too much but I was just playing around with it and it does everything the OP wants (as another person said, in 5 steps instead of 1) I didn't realize you could backup right from there as well and delete your old backups.
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Hmm, so you want a Rom Manager clone does does 1 click backup/restore instead of 5/6 clicks on Rom Manager?
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he want's vmware for android... that's a pretty good idea actually. let you milk the cow before you buy it. i think i'll call there cost. service and see if they are interested
tatnai said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds to me like he wants, with one click, to backup his current rom AND switch to his alternate rom. that way every time he switches, his nandroid of the rom he switched from remains current. this would actually be pretty easy to write as a script I think. too bad I don't know how to do that
what would be even grander (and trickier) is to simultaneously have titanium backup do "redo backup" of user apps just prior to switching, and a "force restore" of user apps on bringing up the new rom, so even between nandroids, your user data stays current in your apps. how's that for dreaming.
no matter what, you've got the wait time to do all the backups. really, the better solution would be to run a separate version of android from an alternate location, like we used to do on the vogue. I used to be able to have 3 simultaneous bootable versions of android; one on nand, one on ext2, and one on the regular SD card. i could boot into each of them at will. now THAT'S what we need; I'd throw some money into the ability to boot from an ext3 partition.
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he want's vmware for android... that's a pretty good idea actually. let you milk the cow before you buy it. i think i'll call there cost. service and see if they are interested
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no what we need is dual boot. the vogue has it, and it's a freakin old phone. the kernel would just have to be modified to include the ability to boot from an alternate location (sdcard ext3 partition), and then you would modify a recovery image (armon's for example) to set which partition to boot from.
two bootable locations is the answer, really. it was the $hit on the vogue. kept my daily use on nand, and my tester on ext3. sweetness.
this is a simple concept. dual boot would be great but i would settle for just one touch switching. and with rom manager it is 5 steps but some of those steps involve rebooting and waiting for it. it shouldn't be to difficult.
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I want a Pony! Perferably a Unicorn Pony!
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the kernel would just have to be modified to include the ability to boot from an alternate location
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No this would require a modified bootloader and isn't simple at all. Especially considering that developing it would run a high risk of bricking the phone during testing.
So..I'm pretty noobish at all this, after doing my research I've finally rooted my phone wanting to mess with setCPU, flashing roms, and getting custom themes and boot animations, unfortunately i spent all my time figuring out how to simply root and nothing beyond..
i'd be grateful if anyone could post threads or just help in general with the above topics
Become a flashaholic like the rest of us. BTW once start you can't stop.
Best advice I can give is to read, read, read and then read some more. Trust me the answers to your questions are in the 1000000s of pages.
Myn's ROM is very good. But I like Caulkins ROM the best with netarchy's 4.2.1 kernel. You don't want to use setCPU with 4.2.1 its not needed.
Just my 2 cents.
And then for some real fun start playing with the CM 6.1 RC1. That's were the fun really begins.
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R1pTheJacka said:
So..I'm pretty noobish at all this, after doing my research I've finally rooted my phone wanting to mess with setCPU, flashing roms, and getting custom themes and boot animations, unfortunately i spent all my time figuring out how to simply root and nothing beyond..
i'd be grateful if anyone could post threads or just help in general with the above topics
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The first thing I did was to start flashing custom ROMS. In the early EVO days, there weren't many choices. Now, there are tons of good options out there, so get to flashin'! You'll also get lots of good ideas hanging out in the themes and mods forum. Stroll around in the "post your screens" thread and you'll be blown away by what some folks have accomplished.
Just my thoughts, of course, I suspect you'll get lots of other suggestions.
yea unfortunately lots of these terms are like a foreign langauge to me =\
after looking up the process of installing roms i see lots of people are saying do a nandroid back up and then copying the rom, radio/WIMAX/PRI/NV updates and kernel
the definitions/translations for that?
Different parts of your phone have their own embedded software that can and doses get upgraded. For example, when you get a major update from Sprint, either OTA (over the air) or donwloaded to your PC and run from there, it not only updates your operating system (Android) and all the other little apps, but frequently your cell receiver/transmitter (radio or baseband), 4G receiver/transmitter (WiMAX) get their own software updates as well. Custom ROM creators frequently exclude these from their packages, so you have to update them separately.
Nandroid is a backup functionality you have once the phone is rooted. It is available through RECOVERY. So if you boot your phone into the BOOTLOADER by holding down the VOL DOWN and powering up, you should be able to choose RECOVERY by using VOL UP and VOL DOWN keyes as arrows, and POWER button as SELECT (or ENTER). Once in RECOVERY mode, there are several options, including backup/restore. The backup IS the nandroid backup everyone mentions. It creates an image of your phone's current setup. If you mess things up later on and the phone system is damages, you can recover by restoring this image to your phone.
Hope this helps.
R1pTheJacka said:
So..I'm pretty noobish at all this, after doing my research I've finally rooted my phone wanting to mess with setCPU, flashing roms, and getting custom themes and boot animations, unfortunately i spent all my time figuring out how to simply root and nothing beyond..
i'd be grateful if anyone could post threads or just help in general with the above topics
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This is my first time quoting and I am pretty noobish myself...I don't know these terms either even though I spent all that time trying to root...I still haven't found out how to use a custom rom or boot, I'm a little clueless even after reading for quite awhile. :/
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jacoballen22 said:
This is my first time quoting and I am pretty noobish myself...I don't know these terms either even though I spent all that time trying to root...I still haven't found out how to use a custom rom or boot, I'm a little clueless even after reading for quite awhile. :/
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Using a custom ROM (or kernel) or boot animation is done through "flashing." Flashing is done via Recovery which can be accessed by the steps listed in a post above. I use the Amon Ra recovery and there are directions how to isntall this elsewhere on the site. I copy the ROM (or kernel or boot anim) to the root of my SD Card, boot into recovery, nandroid backup, wipe caches, wipe data, then I can specify an option to boot from zip on sdcard. (don't remember if it's high-level menu item or not) Anyway, find a Recovery you like (Clockwork or Amon Ra) and there will be specific directions on everything you can do on that Recovery's thread.
This is really a condensed version and there's way better and more thorough advice in Development and Q & A forums in stickies. I highly recommend reading those.
Did you know that you can change the whole look of the phone just by changing the system font? And it's real easy too
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I know how to get to recovery but I don't know which one I have..and wiping data and cache does what exactly (I've wiped my battery stats before because someone said it helps your battery life)
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I know how to get to recovery but I don't know which one I have..and wiping data and cache does what exactly (I've wiped my battery stats before because someone said it helps your battery life)
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If you're using rom manager, it will tell you at the top what recovery is currently installed.
Hopefully you didn't "just" wipe battery stats - there's a process;
It should be done as follows (copied/summarized from the cyanogen wiki found here);
Battery recalibration
1. Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not just wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2. Wipe battery stats with Amon_Ra or ClockworkMod recoveries.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for it to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1. Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2. Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
I am surprised that no one has posted this yet.
Keep in mind, this is reference to the HTC Dream/G1 which is one of, if not the first offered Android Phone. This article explains what root is, how it was established and definition of terms. I hope this helps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=513061
This is the informative link, which can answer a lot of questions. Just keep in mind the commands/button combos and such are different on the EVO, but in all respects is the same animal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=543081
And then finally, the wiki with all of the answers for the HTC Subsonic/EVO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic&useskin=vector
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Different parts of your phone have their own embedded software that can and doses get upgraded. For example, when you get a major update from Sprint, either OTA (over the air) or donwloaded to your PC and run from there, it not only updates your operating system (Android) and all the other little apps, but frequently your cell receiver/transmitter (radio or baseband), 4G receiver/transmitter (WiMAX) get their own software updates as well. Custom ROM creators frequently exclude these from their packages, so you have to update them separately.
Nandroid is a backup functionality you have once the phone is rooted. It is available through RECOVERY. So if you boot your phone into the BOOTLOADER by holding down the VOL DOWN and powering up, you should be able to choose RECOVERY by using VOL UP and VOL DOWN keyes as arrows, and POWER button as SELECT (or ENTER). Once in RECOVERY mode, there are several options, including backup/restore. The backup IS the nandroid backup everyone mentions. It creates an image of your phone's current setup. If you mess things up later on and the phone system is damages, you can recover by restoring this image to your phone.
Hope this helps.
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so the primary point of the nandroid backup is to have the ability to go back to the stock ROM if i choose or even if something screw up while installing a new ROM?
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I am surprised that no one has posted this yet.
Keep in mind, this is reference to the HTC Dream/G1 which is one of, if not the first offered Android Phone. This article explains what root is, how it was established and definition of terms. I hope this helps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=513061
This is the informative link, which can answer a lot of questions. Just keep in mind the commands/button combos and such are different on the EVO, but in all respects is the same animal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=543081
And then finally, the wiki with all of the answers for the HTC Subsonic/EVO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic&useskin=vector
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good looks! the terms are IMO the most important thing to get a hold of
R1pTheJacka said:
so the primary point of the nandroid backup is to have the ability to go back to the stock ROM if i choose or even if something screw up while installing a new ROM?
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Is Nandroid back up the same that Titanium pro back up does?
fachadick said:
Did you know that you can change the whole look of the phone just by changing the system font? And it's real easy too
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How do you do this?
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If you're using rom manager, it will tell you at the top what recovery is currently installed.
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I have 2.5.0.1. Is this the recovery that you would have to reboot in if something goes wrong and what does the numbers mean?
TIA!
phillip623 said:
Is Nandroid back up the same that Titanium pro back up does?
How do you do this?
I have 2.5.0.1. Is this the recovery that you would have to reboot in if something goes wrong and what does the numbers mean?
TIA!
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Nandroid isn't the same thing as titanium, think of nandroid as an image, sort of like a disk image or a windows restore point. Once restored, it will take you back to exactly where you were at the time of the backup.
The numbers that you see in Rom Manager represent the recovery version. You currently have clockworkmod version 2.5.0.1 installed.
It's been spelled out above, and elsewhere through the forums, but I'm bored and I want to clean up this post anyway (I tried that new 8whatever keyboard again - still hate it. And before I cleaned it up, this post was three paragraphs of broken english), so here are some basic steps spelled out on what to do immediately after rooting, along with some terms.
The first thing you want to do once rooted is go into rom manager, and towards the bottom, hit the option that says "Flash Alternate Recovery". Once you do this, you'll notice at the top where it used to say Current Recovery: ClockworkMod 2.5.0.1 it will now say Current Recovery: Ra Recovery 1.8.0.
Now close out Rom Manager, and turn off the phone. Turn it back on while pressing down on the volume. The screen with the skateboarding Andy's will show up - this is the hboot screen. Among other things, this screen will tell you the version of hboot you're running, and whether you're S-ON or S-OFF. There may be a few different options listed here, but we're only interested in the one that says Recovery.
Select Recovery. The phone will reboot, and you should end up on a screen with green text. At the top it will say Android System Recovery, and all the way at the bottom, it will say Build : RA-evo-v1.8.0 From here select Backup/Restore. There are a few options, but note the two important ones - Nand backup, and Nand restore. Select Nand backup. It will ask if you're sure, so say yes. It will take awhile and the bottom of the screen will fill with dots. When it's done select Return then Reboot System Now. Congratulations, You just performed your first Nand Backup using Amon Ra recovery.
When you can, mount your phone as a drive, and go into folder inside the nandroid folder on your sdcard. You'll see a folder with today's date. Copy it somewhere safe on your computer. If you're interested, you can look in that folder and note the wimax.img file - this is where you're backing up the infamous RSA Keys (I'm not explaining what that is here, just know that you REALLY want to have this backed up, and kept somewhere safe). once the copying is done, unmount as a drive, and disconnect from your computer. Congratulations, now it's playtime.
Use either Titaniaum Backup or MyBackup Pro to back up all of your apps and data. Mybackup Pro will also backup call logs and text messages and things like that - I'm pretty sure Titanium does also, but I'm not sure. Your contacts should be backed up to google for easy restoration later.
Head over to the dev section and find a ROM that appeals to you. You can go with completely stock rooted if you want (which is essentially where you are now, but stock rooted would have the latest OTA updates when they come out), or stock with some tweaks to Sense, or non Sense at all (the most popular of these is CM, which rebuilds Froyo from the ground up.) Sense refers the stock launcher called Rosie, as well as some buried functionality in the phone - for example the mail, calendar, and dialer apps look and act different between Fresh and CM roms. Sense is a UI developed by HTC to go over what is commonly referred to as vanilla android/AOSP. AOSP stands for Android Open Source Project and is what google released on the n1, CM is an AOSP rom. Also, you're looking for a Deodexed rom (as opposed to odexed) so you can theme it later if you want.
Once you find a rom you like, download it to the root of your sd card (you may want to download it on your computer and move it to your sdcard). Refer to the above to get back into recovery, but this time instead of selecting Backup/Restore, select Wipe. Select Wipe data/factory Reset and let it do its things, then select Wipe cache, and let it do it's thing, then select Wipe Dalvic-cache, and let it do it's thing. What you've just done is erased all of the personal and superfluous data that was in the phone - you want to make sure that when you load the new rom, you're loading it on an empty slate, and that there's nothing of your old data left that could possibly corrupt something in the new rom. Some people say to wipe all of those options 2 or even 3 times each - I don't buy that though. Also, don't worry about the other wipe options you had there. Not needed now.
So once you've wiped, hit return, and select Flash zip from sdcard. It will pull up a list of .zip files found on the root of your sdcard. select the rom you just downloaded, and let it install. This may take a while. Don't freak. Once it's done, select Reboot system now. This will take a while too, maybe even a few minutes. Don't freak. Once it eventually boots up, restore all of your stuff with either Titanium or MyBackup Pro. Congratulations, You just flashed your first rom.
Now head over to the themes and apps section. Find a theme that interests you. Make sure its compatible with your rom (either sense or cm) and download it. Flash this the same way you flashed your rom, but you may or may not need to wipe first. Always refer to the op of those threads for specific instructions.
Finally and most importantly - head over to the thread in my sig and find a new font you like. All the cool kids are doing it. When you find one you like, copy it to your sdcard and flash it the same way you've been flashing everything else. You don't need to wipe anything for those though.
Tips;
1: never forget to wipe. As a rule, when flashing roms, you'll be wiping what people refer to as all three - that means wipe data/factory reset, wipe cache, and wipe dalvic cache. When flashing kernels or themes, you'll generally just be wiping cache and dalvic cache. Again though, always refer to the instructions in the op in which you found whatever it is your flashing.
2: if you'll be flashing both themes and roms, and possibly kernels, never flash in the same recovery session. So rom first, full reboot, then kernel, full reboot, then theme, full reboot. In that order, wiping and rewiping as needed.
3: give you're rom at least a few days before you give up on it, most need time to settle into your phone so to speak, and need a few battery cycles to get to peak performance, which brings up to
4: You should wipe your battery stats whenever you flash a new rom. Remember you saw that option under Wipe back in recovery? Well now you get to use it. I posed the link and process above in the thread.
5: At this point most people use Amon Ra instead of clockworkmod because there seems to be uncertainty as to weather or not clockworkmod correctly wipes. ONLY Amon Ra backs up the wimax.img, clockwork does not.
6: rom manager is a graphical front end for clockworkmod. A lot of people still use it to flash, becasue it's so easy to use, it can be used to download roms directly in the app, and doesn't require the zip file to be on the root of the sdcard - it van be anywhere on the card. Don't forget though, you can download the rom through the app if you want, but still switch to amon ra to flash it.
7: you cannot restore a nand backup you make with amon ra with clockwork, and you cannot restore a nand backup you make with clockwork with amonra.
8: on the off chance you need to change your hboot version for any reason, you can only restore nand backups with the same hboot version that they were backed up with. NOTE, were talking about hboot here, not recovery.
Damn, that was a lot of of text. Sorry about that.
i would recommend reading this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790427
i have only been in the android world for about 3 months now, and was able to root and flash custom roms with ease within a few weeks of getting my evo. its really not hard at all once you understand the process.
as far as what rom to flash, that depends on the user. different rom have different features. if i were you, i would recommend reading the specs on each rom before flashing. some may have features missing, such as 4G, full camera support and such. And usually all that info is provided in the thread along with the rom. so, pay attention to that.
as for me, the goal for rooting was to do certain things that was only possible with root. such as, Nandroid backup, ShootMe, Wifi Tether and to disable some of the Sprint apps. so, i am using a stocked rooted rom. it is what it says. the same stock rom as the factory but rooted.
a lot of ppl use various custom roms to get better battery life. battery life on stock roms have improved quiet a bit lately. at least in the past 3 months, i have noticed a big improvement. hope this helps answer some questions.
and remember to always do a nandroid backup. i also use My Backup Pro to backup my Call Logs, SMS & MMS.
few questions about flashing ROMs..
1. i still have to backup all my contacts,apps,etc, i have titanium backup pro and if i back them all up how do i get them back once the new ROM is flashed?
2. I know im supposed to do a nandroid backup but do i need those special recovery images first? (AmonRA/Clockwork)
3. What's the purpose of ROM M...anager in all of this?
ok, so titanium pro will backup everything, even how your homescreen is set up.
the nandroid is for if there is a problem, or if you want to go back. ALWAYS HAVE AT LEAST ONE BACKUP MADE WITH AMON AT ALL TIMES OR YOU COULD PERMANENTLY LOSE 4G (FOREVER, NO FIX EVER)
rom manager can control clockwork recovery while booted up in a touch screen interface. it removes the need to use the annoying volume keys. doesnt work with amon.
i would highly reccomend amon to you. it is just that much better, but doesnt work with rom manager. volume keys arent that hard anyways. use amon.
ONCE AGAIN, ALWAYS HAVE AT LEAST ONE AMON BAKCUP AT ALL TIMES, AND ALWAYS BACKUP BEFORE DOING ANYTHING EVEN SLIGHTLY CONSIDERED MODDING. SERIOUSLY, TAKE 4 MINUTES OUT OF YOUR DAY TO WATCH DOTS APPEAR, AND SAVE YOURSELF 200 DOLLARS OR HOURS OF SETTING STUFF BACK UP. SERIOUSLY. DO IT.
Thanks for the detailed and informative post! This should be in the question and answer thread. I'm finally able to change my font and onto ROMS. I'll reply back once I'm on a normal keyboard.
R1pTheJacka said:
few questions about flashing ROMs..
1. i still have to backup all my contacts,apps,etc, i have titanium backup pro and if i back them all up how do i get them back once the new ROM is flashed?
2. I know im supposed to do a nandroid backup but do i need those special recovery images first? (AmonRA/Clockwork)
3. What's the purpose of ROM M...anager in all of this?
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1. all your contacts are backup-ed on your google account. when you sign on to the google account after you flash a new rom, the contacts will be automatically downloaded to the phone. so, no further work needed to be done there. i use My Backup Pro to backup my SMS/MMS and Call logs. I think it is very similar to Titanium. Basically you use the program to backup the stuff you need onto your SD Card. Then, once you have flashed your new rom, you install Titanium or the My Backup Pro and use the Restore feature to restore what you need. As far as Apps go, I found that it was better to use App Brain, since that keeps a log of all the apps install on the phone, its usually a breeze to re-install all of them through that.
2. Amon RA & Clockwork perform the same function. you use either to flash custom roms, perform nandroid backups, etc. so, once you root your phone, you will need to install one of these.
3. ROM Manager.. does what the name says it does. you can change the rom on your phone using that utility app. But i think the Amon Ra/Clockwork Recovery method is the preferred way of changing out roms.
(Excuse me if this seems noobish, I'm used to nandroid )
I dumped my ROM and got Part00, 01, 02, 03.raw. The only ones I've seen used are parts 1 and 2, but judging by file size, I'm pretty sure 3 is the data partition, so if I flashed a ROM with 1 and 2, I'd get the OS back, but none of my files. Like a fresh install of Windows. Is there any way to put that part 3 into the nbh?
Or am I completely wrong about what the parts are?
This is a pretty convoluted way to go about making a backup, but it sounds like you're on the right track. I find it much easier to do a full backup with another application like SPB Backup or Sprite Backup. This would restore the entire ROM after flashing it back to how it was. This doesn't make a flashable ROM image, but it does allow you to flash the ROM you made the backup from and then do a full restore including registry entries.
Okay, thanks, but is there any way to make a flashable NBH out of those parts that you know of? I was going to try out the Android NAND boot thingy, but I wanted to be able to get back to Windows Mobile as soon as I could if things didn't work out, because the TouchPro2 is now my only phone worth using
By the way, the Albino Black Sheep link in your signature should be REQUIRED to watch before using any forum
Not as far as I know. It's not a long process to restore a backup. I do it quite often and it takes me about 10 minutes total to go from flashing the ROM to completing the restore process and rebooting. The only caveat to this is that the full backups will only function properly when used with the exact ROM that was flashed when the backup was made.
I got that link from when I was active in the Steam forums. I wish I could just hand it out to most of the new guys around here who have never been part of a forum before.
Thanks I vaguely remember the old Data Backup program from my iPaq 3600 of old, and I guess this is kinda the same thing.
Yes, but you may want to get a newer backup program. Most of the older ones that worked on WM5 do not work on WM6.5 and WM6.5.3.
Hello all
I find myself posting here because I don't have the required 10 posts to pose my question elsewhere.
I recently switched from Clockwork to AmonRA recovery. My second backup was of my stock SenseROM. My first backup was of CM 7.0.2.1, which could not be restored. My flash to CM 7.0.3.1 was successful, so I wasn't concerned.
Now, I cannot restore the stock SenseROM. I have transferred the recovery log to the SD card, but do not know how to decipher it.
I did change the name of the folder in /sdcard/nandroid, but not the names of the folders inside that folder.
Basically I'm not sure the proper way to rename a RA backup, and if there is any way to fix/repair the stock SenseROM that I cannot restore.
Thanks for your patience and help.
Skid
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Hello all
I find myself posting here because I don't have the required 10 posts to pose my question elsewhere.
I recently switched from Clockwork to AmonRA recovery. My second backup was of my stock SenseROM. My first backup was of CM 7.0.2.1, which could not be restored. My flash to CM 7.0.3.1 was successful, so I wasn't concerned.
Now, I cannot restore the stock SenseROM. I have transferred the recovery log to the SD card, but do not know how to decipher it.
I did change the name of the folder in /sdcard/nandroid, but not the names of the folders inside that folder.
Basically I'm not sure the proper way to rename a RA backup, and if there is any way to fix/repair the stock SenseROM that I cannot restore.
Thanks for your patience and help.
Skid
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I don't know the name it needs to be. But if you need stock rom Ruu sense to unroot I have links to the latest Ruu you would need in my guide.
Skid71 said:
Hello all
I find myself posting here because I don't have the required 10 posts to pose my question elsewhere.
I recently switched from Clockwork to AmonRA recovery. My second backup was of my stock SenseROM. My first backup was of CM 7.0.2.1, which could not be restored. My flash to CM 7.0.3.1 was successful, so I wasn't concerned.
Now, I cannot restore the stock SenseROM. I have transferred the recovery log to the SD card, but do not know how to decipher it.
I did change the name of the folder in /sdcard/nandroid, but not the names of the folders inside that folder.
Basically I'm not sure the proper way to rename a RA backup, and if there is any way to fix/repair the stock SenseROM that I cannot restore.
Thanks for your patience and help.
Skid
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I was actually at a restaurant eating dinner when I was initially replying to your post and then all of a sudden, my phone rebooted and kept bootlooping so I had to rewipe and restore a nandroid backup while driving home...Sorry. Anyway, you cannot rename the folder which the nandroid backups are kept in, but you can rename the backups themselves as long as you don't use special characters. If you did change the name of the folder that the nandroids are in, you will not be able to restore. If you remember the name of the folder, change the name back to what it was. If you're familiar with ADB, connect your device to your computer, start the Terminal app (I use a MacBook) and then type, "adb connect". It *should* display the name of your device which is the same name as the folder that the nandroids are kept in.
Skid71 said:
Hello all
I find myself posting here because I don't have the required 10 posts to pose my question elsewhere.
I recently switched from Clockwork to AmonRA recovery. My second backup was of my stock SenseROM. My first backup was of CM 7.0.2.1, which could not be restored. My flash to CM 7.0.3.1 was successful, so I wasn't concerned.
Now, I cannot restore the stock SenseROM. I have transferred the recovery log to the SD card, but do not know how to decipher it.
I did change the name of the folder in /sdcard/nandroid, but not the names of the folders inside that folder.
Basically I'm not sure the proper way to rename a RA backup, and if there is any way to fix/repair the stock SenseROM that I cannot restore.
Thanks for your patience and help.
Skid
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Just to be sure, the backup you're trying to restore is one that was created with Amon Ra, right? You can't restore a backup that was made with Clockwork. So, as long as the backup you're restoring was made by Amon Ra, it should restore.
You said you renamed the file right? Which folder exactly did you rename? If you renamed the nandroid backup itself, it cannot have any spaces in the name, or any odd characters. Keep the name simple, with no spaces. If that's what you renamed, try renaming it to something short and simple, then try restoring again.
If you renamed a different folder (the folder that the nandroid backups are actually in), I don't think you can do that at all. mine is like this : /nandroid/HT066HL***/(nandroid backups). If you renamed the one that is bolded, I'm almost positive that will bork things. You can only rename the backups themselves, and as I said, you can't use spaces. Double check your stuff, and see if it sounds like any of that might be your problem. Good luck.
EDIT: Dang Doug! Your post wasn't there when I started typing! I got distracted on a phone call during my reply, and delayed it way too long. Didn't mean to step on your toes man. At least our advice is the same! BTW, which rom bootlooped ya? I had that happen on decks 1.2m today.
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Just to be sure, the backup you're trying to restore is one that was created with Amon Ra, right? You can't restore a backup that was made with Clockwork. So, as long as the backup you're restoring was made by Amon Ra, it should restore.
You said you renamed the file right? Which folder exactly did you rename? If you renamed the nandroid backup itself, it cannot have any spaces in the name, or any odd characters. Keep the name simple, with no spaces. If that's what you renamed, try renaming it to something short and simple, then try restoring again.
If you renamed a different folder (the folder that the nandroid backups are actually in), I don't think you can do that at all. mine is like this : /nandroid/HT066HL***/(nandroid backups). If you renamed the one that is bolded, I'm almost positive that will bork things. You can only rename the backups themselves, and as I said, you can't use spaces. Double check your stuff, and see if it sounds like any of that might be your problem. Good luck.
EDIT: Dang Doug! Your post wasn't there when I started typing! I got distracted on a phone call during my reply, and delayed it way too long. Didn't mean to step on your toes man. At least our advice is the same! BTW, which rom bootlooped ya? I had that happen on decks 1.2m today.
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I'm thinking I borked myself then
I'll try to describe this...
nandroid/AmonRASenseROM/BDS-20110525-****
I should not have changed the bolded part, but instead, change the "BDS-20110525****" part?
I think I can change the name of that folder, or better yet, just move the "BDS..." folder to the folder that is named HT0CFH***** which contains my current CM 7.0.3.1 backup. I DID NOT change that folder name.
My gosh, did that make any sense?
And yes, that Sense ROM was backed up with AmonRA.
Really appreciate the help!
Skid71 said:
I'm thinking I borked myself then
I'll try to describe this...
nandroid/AmonRASenseROM/BDS-20110525-****
I should not have changed the bolded part, but instead, change the "BDS-20110525****" part?
I think I can change the name of that folder, or better yet, just move the "BDS..." folder to the folder that is named HT0CFH***** which contains my current CM 7.0.3.1 backup. I DID NOT change that folder name.
My gosh, did that make any sense?
And yes, that Sense ROM was backed up with AmonRA.
Really appreciate the help!
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That is correct. You should not have changed the bolded part. You wanted to leave that what it originally was (I think it may be the phone's serial number, but not sure). The BDS-20110525 is the actual backup that you created. It is coded by the date you created the backup. So it looks like you created that one on the 25th (or 24th, often times the recovery will stamp my nandroid backup time as the next day for some reason. I'll make one on the 19th, but will have the date code of the 20th in there). So, as far as fixing the issue goes....I'm not positive how to get that folder named back to what it originally was..as I'm not sure what the exact name would have been. Hopefully someone else will chime in on it, and confirm what the name of that folder should be. I'll check in a second and see if that number is indeed my serial number. If it is, you should be able to rename it to that, and try it out.
Yes, I confirmed that the name of that folder should indeed be the serial number of your phone, in all capital letters. To get your serial number, you can either use adb, by typing 'adb devices', and the number it gives back to you will be your serial. If not, shut your phone down and pull your battery. Your serial number is back there. If you rename that folder with your serial number, you should be good to go (hopefully). Give it a shot.
Edit: And just to clarify, the one you CAN rename, is the BDS-20110525 one. Just be sure to not have any spaces in the name, or odd characters, as has already been noted. You should be on the right track after that.
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That is correct. You should not have changed the bolded part. You wanted to leave that what it originally was (I think it may be the phone's serial number, but not sure). The BDS-20110525 is the actual backup that you created. It is coded by the date you created the backup. So it looks like you created that one on the 25th (or 24th, often times the recovery will stamp my nandroid backup time as the next day for some reason. I'll make one on the 19th, but will have the date code of the 20th in there). So, as far as fixing the issue goes....I'm not positive how to get that folder named back to what it originally was..as I'm not sure what the exact name would have been. Hopefully someone else will chime in on it, and confirm what the name of that folder should be. I'll check in a second and see if that number is indeed my serial number. If it is, you should be able to rename it to that, and try it out.
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In trying to decipher the recovery log, I noticed that the other folder created in /nandroid was also the number of the phone (not sure if it's the serial). When I first made the Sense ROM backup, I changed the name of that folder (instead of the folder contained inside), then made a backup of the CM ROM. I noticed that it created another folder within /nandroid that was identical to the folder it created when I made the Sense backup. I hope I'm not confusing you as much as myself.
Anyway, what I did was rename the correct Sense ROM folder, then moved it to the "HT0CFHL****" folder. I hope that does the trick.
**Edit** I did use a - when renaming the Sense ROM. No spaces. That sound alright?
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Hope you don't mind another question while I'm here.
When performing a backup, should I just do a backup of the items that AmonRA recovery already has chosen, or should I do the Wimax, sd-ext, etc?
Would just like to make sure I'm doing this right.
Wish I would have started out with AmonRA instead of Clockwork (no offense meant)
Thanks again
Skid
Skid71 said:
In trying to decipher the recovery log, I noticed that the other folder created in /nandroid was also the number of the phone (not sure if it's the serial). When I first made the Sense ROM backup, I changed the name of that folder (instead of the folder contained inside), then made a backup of the CM ROM. I noticed that it created another folder within /nandroid that was identical to the folder it created when I made the Sense backup. I hope I'm not confusing you as much as myself.
Anyway, what I did was rename the correct Sense ROM folder, then moved it to the "HT0CFHL****" folder. I hope that does the trick.
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Hope you don't mind another question while I'm here.
When performing a backup, should I just do a backup of the items that AmonRA recovery already has chosen, or should I do the Wimax, sd-ext, etc?
Would just like to make sure I'm doing this right.
Wish I would have started out with AmonRA instead of Clockwork (no offense meant)
Thanks again
Skid
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Okay, I am slightly confused, but not too confused, haha. So when you created the CM backup, and you say that you were left with a duplicate folder, which folder do you mean? That's all I'm confused about. Do you mean the one containing your serial number, that you renamed (the one that starts with H), or do you mean the BDS-2011...one? If you mean the BDS-2011 one, then that is normal. Every backup you create is automatically named BDS-20110524 (or whatever the date/time is). If you look closer, the time should be different. Anyways, if that is not what you're referring to, then it may have regenerated the folder which contains your backups (because it has to be named as your serial number, so since you changed the name of the first one, it may have regenerated a new one. In which case, if you moved your first backup to that new folder, it SHOULD work. (i think that's what you said you were doing..). If that worked, just delete the folder that you renamed, and leave the new one. You should then be good to go.
I hope I understood you right. If I did, it sounds like you should be set.
EDIT: forgot to answer your second question:
To be honest, I don't use Amon Ra 2.3. I have always stayed with the earlier version of 1.8.0, as it has NEVER faild me, so I saw no reason to change it. It is slightly different than the version you're on, as there are no backup options. It just automatically backs up what it needs to. With your version you do have the option to select what you backup. I for sure would make a couple backups that include your wimax.img. That is important to have, for if you ever lose your RSA keys, that backup of the wimax.img is how you would recover them. You would only need to include sd-ext if your sd card is partitioned, and you're using DT a2sd. If you are, then including the sd-ext is a must. If you don't have your card partitioned, or don't know what DT a2sd is, then you don't need to worry about backing up your sd-ext. I honestly don't recall what the other options are, and hopefully someone else who actively uses that recovery will help ya with that. I believe I remember there being an android_secure, recovery, or something like that. Sorry. Just definitely include the wimax.img. I believe that my friend Dougjamal posted something in the General section about the recommended way to backup using Amon Ra. Search that out, and you may find the answers. Good luck
Here's how I rename my nandroids and it works.
\nandroid\HT121HL07014\BDEARS-20110318-0300-koni_III
Anything else i Ever tried = fail
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Okay, I am slightly confused, but not too confused, haha. So when you created the CM backup, and you say that you were left with a duplicate folder, which folder do you mean? That's all I'm confused about. Do you mean the one containing your serial number, that you renamed (the one that starts with H), or do you mean the BDS-2011...one? If you mean the BDS-2011 one, then that is normal. Every backup you create is automatically named BDS-20110524 (or whatever the date/time is). If you look closer, the time should be different. Anyways, if that is not what you're referring to, then it may have regenerated the folder which contains your backups (because it has to be named as your serial number, so since you changed the name of the first one, it may have regenerated a new one. In which case, if you moved your first backup to that new folder, it SHOULD work. (i think that's what you said you were doing..). If that worked, just delete the folder that you renamed, and leave the new one. You should then be good to go.
I hope I understood you right. If I did, it sounds like you should be set.
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Yeah, confusing. But yes, you are correct sir. I'm itching to try flashing to it, but I'm a bit hesitant since the only current ROM backup I have is one with the pre-selected (in AmonRA) choices.
I'm not communicating very effectively tonight.
I appreciate the help.
Skid71 said:
Yeah, confusing. But yes, you are correct sir. I'm itching to try flashing to it, but I'm a bit hesitant since the only current ROM backup I have is one with the pre-selected (in AmonRA) choices.
I'm not communicating very effectively tonight.
I appreciate the help.
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Well, I think you should be all set. If not, this is what I would do. Take both of your nandroid backups (the folder labeled BDS-2011....) and copy them to a different folder.
Then be sure you have a directory on your sd card named: nandroid/(your serial number). Then place both of your nandroid backups in that folder. (the one with your serial number). Then boot to recovery, and select backup/restore. Then select 'restore backup'. You should then see the folder named as your serial number. Select it. You should then see your backups. Select the one you want to restore, and try to do it. It should work.
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EDIT: Dang Doug! Your post wasn't there when I started typing! I got distracted on a phone call during my reply, and delayed it way too long. Didn't mean to step on your toes man. At least our advice is the same! BTW, which rom bootlooped ya? I had that happen on decks 1.2m today.
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(laughing)....You know it's not a big deal with me. As much as we post in these forums, it's a surety that we will post similar replies around the same time. As for the rom, it was SalvageMod. It hadn't happen prior to today and it haven't happened since. I was eating and replying from inside a Cracker Barrel restaurant when it occurred....lol
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Just wanted to say thanks again to you both. I sincerely appreciate the time and help. Coming from WinMo 6.5, this is my first android device. It becomes quite the little hobby.
I hope to soak in knowledge like a sponge then pass it on.
XDA is a great community.
Thanks again
Skid
Skid71 said:
Just wanted to say thanks again to you both. I sincerely appreciate the time and help. Coming from WinMo 6.5, this is my first android device. It becomes quite the little hobby.
I hope to soak in knowledge like a sponge then pass it on.
XDA is a great community.
Thanks again
Skid
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You're very welcome, my friend. Before purchasing my Droid Incredible last year, I was a die-hard Blackberry user. (First Blackberry was the 7290 and the last one was the original Bold 9000 with several other models in between). After I rooted the D-Inc, I realized that the capabilities with Android devices were vast. I then wanted a larger screen and was torn between the Droid X and the EVO. Being that I was already familiar with HTC Sense, I chose the EVO and without doubt, I made the right choice. This device is amazing and through trial and error and from being helped by the good people who frequent these forums, I've learned a great deal and am still learning. I love this community and I try to help others and often as I can. The success rate is less than 100% but the effort is more than that....lol. Anyway, take care and enjoy your day...
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Exact same thing happened to me. I kept reading posts saying to get amon recovery. So I did. But when I went to try and restore it wouldn't let me choose a clockwork restore. I just used Rom manager and re flashed clockwork. Then went and did a restore. I like clockwork so I will keep it. Don't know what makes amon so special. Seems like the same options.
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Exact same thing happened to me. I kept reading posts saying to get amon recovery. So I did. But when I went to try and restore it wouldn't let me choose a clockwork restore. I just used Rom manager and re flashed clockwork. Then went and did a restore. I like clockwork so I will keep it. Don't know what makes amon so special. Seems like the same options.
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Amon Ra is known to be more reliable. It wipes better, and flashes more reliably. Clockwork works flawlessly for some, but not for all. Amon Ra seems to be nearly flawless for all who use it. Also, if you continue using clockwork, you will surely run into some zips that you cannot flash, such as anything that is scripted with edify. Clockwork only supports amend scripting, and there are still PLENTY of zips out there that are edify only. In that case, clockwork will tell you that it can't flash it, and you need to change the scripting to amend. Amon flashes both amend and edify. Also, the newest clockwork doesn't flash radios for some reason, the flash will just not take.
So yea, clockwork works perfectly, and everyone else who suggests amon ra is wrong.
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So yea, clockwork works perfectly, and everyone else who suggests amon ra is wrong.
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Wow, I never said it was perfect or anyone was wrong. I simply never ran into problems with clockwork and had a problem with amon. So I didn't know why people would use it.
I greatly appreciate you informing me. I guess if I ever have a problem with clockwork and decide to use amon I will do a backup first thing so restore will be usable.
I also saw on Rom manager that certain things wouldn't work without clockwork. And Rom manager seems to make flashing easier.
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Wow, I never said it was perfect or anyone was wrong. I simply never ran into problems with clockwork and had a problem with amon. So I didn't know why people would use it.
I greatly appreciate you informing me. I guess if I ever have a problem with clockwork and decide to use amon I will do a backup first thing so restore will be usable.
I also saw on Rom manager that certain things wouldn't work without clockwork. And Rom manager seems to make flashing easier.
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Yea, sorry didn't mean to come off harsh. Sorry about that. And yes, Amon Ra doesn't work with rom manager. I won't get started on my opinions on ROM manager, lol
Clockwork jacked up my phone before and left a bad taste in my mouth!
It's all good!
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[Q] Is there a "dual-boot" or "safe partition" recovery like Safestrap out there?
Hi all, first post here so I'm preparing myself for mallets to the head.
I do apologize if this question is redundant, but I did a few cursory searches trying to find out whether or not there exists any type of utility that allows you two "partitions" (in quotes because I'm not entirely sure that terminology is technically correct, but it's the closest analog my Windows-raised brain can muster) so that you can use one for your stock ROM and the other for flashing Custom ROMs and basically wreaking any kind of havoc you wish?
Safestrap is what I use for my Droid Bionic. It was mentioned here in another dev thread, I believe. It locks down one partition, which it calls "non-safe", not allowing you to flash anything to this area (although you can restore any backups you took of this non-safe partition), but you are free to do whatever you want on the other partition. (It uses CWM as its base I believe.) Its existence has saved my hide many a time when I was feeling mischievously experimental with my Bionic and I'm hoping I can use it to test out the handful of A100 custom ROMs out there (while keeping my daily driver safe) before I "settle" on a good one.
(Caveat is that I'd have to replace TWRP which I like quite a bit.)
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Hi all, first post here so I'm preparing myself for mallets to the head.
I do apologize if this question is redundant, but I did a few cursory searches trying to find out whether or not there exists any type of utility that allows you two "partitions" (in quotes because I'm not entirely sure that terminology is technically correct, but it's the closest analog my Windows-raised brain can muster) so that you can use one for your stock ROM and the other for flashing Custom ROMs and basically wreaking any kind of havoc you wish?
Safestrap is what I use for my Droid Bionic. It was mentioned here in another dev thread, I believe. It locks down one partition, which it calls "non-safe", not allowing you to flash anything to this area (although you can restore any backups you took of this non-safe partition), but you are free to do whatever you want on the other partition. (It uses CWM as its base I believe.) Its existence has saved my hide many a time when I was feeling mischievously experimental with my Bionic and I'm hoping I can use it to test out the handful of A100 custom ROMs out there (while keeping my daily driver safe) before I "settle" on a good one.
(Caveat is that I'd have to replace TWRP which I like quite a bit.)
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As far as I know nothing like that is available for the a100s, its pretty much all used in one way or another. Closest is the backup and restore of twrp and cwm recoveries. A500 has dual boot now, but we will likely never see that on our stuff. I won't say never, because you just never know and this is xda after all.
Tapatalked from my Galaxy S II.