I've got a few questions, but the thread title is probably the most appropriate
I have an HTC Desire Bravo PVT3 SHIP S-ON
Runs HBOOT 0.93.0001
Radio version 5.11.05.27
I'm looking to root it on it's stock, up to date ROM, partly in order to remove some of the bloat that gets installed (Facebook for HTC Sense being a big annoyance, seeming to block the normal facebook app from any kind of sync, meaning I can only have ALL facebook contacts, or none. I would rather "only sync existing contacts", but this is not possible with the Sense facebook), and partly for root apps.
However, having done some research, it appears that I need to load a custom recovery image to do so, which as far as I know will mean automatic updates are no longer possible.
So question 1. Is this correct?
Question 2. Even if automatic updates are not available, is it possible to keep using stock HTC ROMs, manually updating them? (And if so, will this retain all the settings/accounts/apps/contacts/etc that were on the phone beforehand? Or will I need to set everything up again?)
Question 3. If using HTC ROMs is going to be a massive pain, not possible, whatever, which custom ROM provides both the Sense UI (minus the awful facebook apps, etc included, if possible), while aiming for stability and speed. (Leedroid seems to be the best bet, but better to check with those who have experience)
Question 4. If flashing to a custom ROM, or even updating a custom ROM, is it possible to again, save all settings and apps, such as account sync, contacts, etc, or will the phone be essentially "factory" and require a total setup again?
Question 5. What exactly is the difference between Shell root and root, and would I be able to uninstall system apps such as the "Facebook for HTC Sense" app that comes preinstalled, with it?
Question 6. What would I need S-OFF for and should I do it? (Not totally sure if this is a requirement for nandroid backups, hence why I ask!)
Can't think of anything else for now, so I'll thank those who reply in advance!
CloudUK said:
I've got a few questions, but the thread title is probably the most appropriate
I have an HTC Desire Bravo PVT3 SHIP S-ON
Runs HBOOT 0.93.0001
Radio version 5.11.05.27
I'm looking to root it on it's stock, up to date ROM, partly in order to remove some of the bloat that gets installed (Facebook for HTC Sense being a big annoyance, seeming to block the normal facebook app from any kind of sync, meaning I can only have ALL facebook contacts, or none. I would rather "only sync existing contacts", but this is not possible with the Sense facebook), and partly for root apps.
However, having done some research, it appears that I need to load a custom recovery image to do so, which as far as I know will mean automatic updates are no longer possible.
So question 1. Is this correct? Yes
Question 2. Even if automatic updates are not available, is it possible to keep using stock HTC ROMs, manually updating them? (And if so, will this retain all the settings/accounts/apps/contacts/etc that were on the phone beforehand? Or will I need to set everything up again?) No idea why you want to keep contacts since they are synced with google, but it is possible to upgrade without wiping but not recommend. Meaning that you might run in to issues that could have been avoided by wiping
Question 3. If using HTC ROMs is going to be a massive pain, not possible, whatever, which custom ROM provides both the Sense UI (minus the awful facebook apps, etc included, if possible), while aiming for stability and speed. (Leedroid seems to be the best bet, but better to check with those who have experience) It is possible to remove the HTC sense version of facebook but it's not on the 'safe to remove' list. That facebook for htc sense prevents the normal facebook app from workign is not true so you can also chose not to use it, which is the safer way.
Question 4. If flashing to a custom ROM, or even updating a custom ROM, is it possible to again, save all settings and apps, such as account sync, contacts, etc, or will the phone be essentially "factory" and require a total setup again? Again it won't do a factory reset unless you tell it so, but it is recommend to do so to prevent issues
Question 5. What exactly is the difference between Shell root and root, and would I be able to uninstall system apps such as the "Facebook for HTC Sense" app that comes preinstalled, with it? No idea what the difference is but if you root with unrevoked you can remove apps from the system partition while in recovery
Question 6. What would I need S-OFF for and should I do it? (Not totally sure if this is a requirement for nandroid backups, hence why I ask!) It allows to write to the system partition while booted. Not relevant for nandroid and only do it once you figure out yourself why you might need it
Can't think of anything else for now, so I'll thank those who reply in advance!
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Thanks for the response.
Point one... in regards to facebook, no Sense does not appear to break the facebook app, but nonetheless, the facebook app itself will not sync in accounts and sync. Nor do any sync options appear in the app itself. It's version 1.5.0, the latest, and others using other phones have the sync options there, whereas the desire does not appear to. This is a massive pain, because I do not want -all- my facebook contacts available on the phone, only ones I have already added, hence the "only sync existing contacts" function within the app... which is unavailable.
As for the contacts, are you sure they're synced to google? Having a look at my google contacts from within gmail I only see the ones I have added over the web. Yes, while they are linked to contacts on the phone they update as the phone edits them, however I have contacts on the phone which are not linked to any online service, and simply stored within the phone's memory. Are these synced anywhere?
Final questions...
Does anyone know of a fix for the facebook issue I describe above?
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Which rom should I choose for speed and stability on the Desire? Sense UI would be nice, but is by no means a priority, and of course, ongoing, good support is needed!
Thanks again
*Facepalm*
OK so Google contacts are indeed syncing, I'm just blind.
Nonetheless, the facebook issue where I cannot sync "only existing contacts" is a massive pain, anyone know of a fix?
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EDIT: 4questions !
Hi guys. I just installed the 2.2 update via OTA, but now i got "3 little problems". Since i didnt find them via search buttom, i'd like to ask them here.
1.- Most settings are the same as before (2.1), but for example, Google Talk changed my nickname, from my name to my e-mail. I know there was a way to change it, but i dont find the way to...
I know people can change my nickname, so each one sees me with the nickname they want, but the "default one" was my name and now's my e-mail
2.- Facebook events + brithdates. Is there a way to disable them? I got all kind of connections from facebook disabled.. but dont find this new feature so i can disable it.
3.- Flash. I found on market Adobe Flash Player 10.1. Wasn't it supposed to be enabled by default? I mean. Should i install it? Is it better than default? I dont understand anything since i read that 2.2 came with default 10.1... but there's an app, from Adobe.
4.- Is is recommended to do a hard reset after updating? I mean. I got all apps from 2.1 installed. And since I update, none of them were removed, etc. Do I lose some speed or something if i dont hard reset? Maybe Hard Reseting + Reinstalling ALL apps make my device to run EVEN smoother and faster than it does. (It goes faster now than before with 2.1, but maybe...)
See you soon and thanks for all!!!
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1.- Most settings are the same as before (2.1), but for example, Google Talk changed my nickname, from my name to my e-mail. I know there was a way to change it, but i dont find the way to...
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I actually haven't been able to change it myself.
2.- Facebook events + brithdates. Is there a way to disable them? I got all kind of connections from facebook disabled.. but dont find this new feature so i can disable it.
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In Calendar hit Menu > More > Calendars and untick it from there.
3.- Flash. I found on market Adobe Flash Player 10.1. Wasn't it supposed to be enabled by default? I mean. Should i install it? Is it better than default? I dont understand anything since i read that 2.2 came with default 10.1... but there's an app, from Adobe.
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I believe HTC have just included this in their ROM.
4.- Is is recommended to do a hard reset after updating? I mean. I got all apps from 2.1 installed. And since I update, none of them were removed, etc. Do I lose some speed or something if i dont hard reset? Maybe Hard Reseting + Reinstalling ALL apps make my device to run EVEN smoother and faster than it does. (It goes faster now than before with 2.1, but maybe...)
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I quick off-and-on again or battery pull if it slows down should suffice.
So 2.- Solved 100%
Still need help on:
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Since 2 is exactly what we needed and 1,3,4 are things that you believe. Thank you very much !!!
w8ing for more answers
3 - included as default in the official rom
4 - always recommended when installing a new system, if not this could lead to bugs and performance issues. The official froyo is also odexed there's a chance your apps may conflict. if you have the time to hard reset then it's defo recommended.
don't know about the google talk thing though sorry.
regards
3. and 4. answered
1. is still missing
Thank you for your answers ! w8ing for more
Since Froyo, a more comprehensive backup was announced (http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/backup.html). But I'm still not seeing ALL my settings and app data backed up.
I say this after doing a factory reset on my stock Desire because the contacts sync stopped working (I think it was a phone problem not Google problem). I have backed up in a number of places but the main one I use is MyBackup Pro.
For as good as it is, when it's finished, I still have to go through and put in my settings. Some widgets need to be re-setup. Some settings in the menu need to be re-setup. Signatures in my Google email boxes need to be redone. Ringtones (stock ones) need to be redone. Wallpaper. Etc.
Where are we with the perfect backup? I.e. backup my phone STATE. 1 backup so that should you reset your phone, it goes back perfectly. Obviously if you change phone to another model, you'll have to tweak a few things. But I thought backing up the phone state was possible after flicking through the link above.
So what's going on? Why do we not have the perfect backup yet?
You could root your phone using unrevoked 3.2 and install a custom recovery. This will allow you to make a complete image of your phone.
I don't think the froyo backup feature is available in sense roms. This is a question of HTC including it I.
The issue here is that this is not a complete backup solution in an of itself, but an API that allows developers to add this functionality into their applications.
Since this is API level 8 (Froyo), and since most devices still don't have Froyo, it's not too surprising that few applications have been updated to take advantage of this facility.
Regards,
Dave
I wonder if the newly announced HTCSense.com will address this since the announcement said it will backup customisations. (Obviously not rooted customisations!)
Hello all,
I am new to android and experiencing this great oss via my htc desire!
I have version 2.2 (I think it's called froyo - non-rooted).
A prolbem occurs sometimes that says (translated from greek):
"There was an unexpected termination of the application "Messaging" (process com.android.mms) Try again."
And the only button I can press is "Close (or Forced Close)"..
This does not happen only with Messaging but wit Google services and a general "Android system", as well..
The problem I 've noticed is that when entering the Messaging application it shows the sms I 've received by my contacts, but these appear not as contacts nut as mobile numbers.
In example, at my contacts, I have Mr.X with mobile number 12345.
Sometimes when I enter the messaging application, I see 12345 and not the Mr.X as sender.
This is solved by forcing the application to close via the Application Manager (or management, through settings).
What can I do to solve these matters?
Is hard/soft reset a solution?
Also if I root my device am I going to lose data?
Is there any guide to follow so as to root my mobile? (I am really new to this android stuff, but have knowledge of PCs general and psp (flashing, wich is the same with custom roms)).
I would like to save my Contacts, Messages and Applications. Which application should I use?
Thank you!
Hard reset will most likely fix it.
By just rooting you don't lose data, and after you're rooted you can make a nandroid backup.
If you want to root you can check the development section for instructions.
Edit: If you do a hard reset you will lose the data on the phone (messages, etc.), so you might want to backup them before that.
Thank you for your reply!
About the backup you've said, is there any good application to backup sms, contacts?
I am taking a backup now and using the one by sprite mobile..Is it good?
Or should I root firstly and then use another backup application that needs rooted device?
Okay I think a better backup would be MyBackup (this is only a demo but should do for you) or LifeSaver
If you root with unrEVOked you'll get a custom recovery, from which you can make a nandroid (If this sentence doesn't make any sense to you please feel free to use search to find what I mean )
Also If you have root you can use Titanium Backup app.
I believe that I got what you said..
I would have Revoked if I bought it in example from a Vodafone store right?
I think mine is not branded...so I have unrevoked?? :S
Yes, "Revoked" will work for you.
But before doing that please get to know android OS a little better, I have a feeling you are not absolutely aware what are you about to do.
So read a little bit about "rooting", you can find plenty of information in the development section.
One of the important things is to check your firmware so in case you have problems you can revert to the "out of the box" state.
Revoked will work?
I thought it is Unrevoked.. :-S
Because I haven't bought my mobile from a provider such as vodafone..
When you say, get to know android OS a little better, what do you recommend doing?
I was refering to this because I didn't quite understand you clearly.
pspuser007 said:
I believe that I got what you said..
I would have Revoked if I bought it in example from a Vodafone store right?
I think mine is not branded...so I have unrevoked?? :S
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Nevermind it is unrEVOked. And it will work, no matter where did you get your phone from. For more information on rooting and similar stuff check out this threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696189
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814381
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809328
Anyone have the stock rooted HTC Desire rom with Sense UI for USCC. When I flashed cyan I apparently didn't do a Nandroid Backup and was needing this. thanks...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=777019&page=6
I believe comment 56 in the above thread is what you are looking for.
kharv said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=777019&page=6
I believe comment 56 in the above thread is what you are looking for.
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Yeah, tried this one and it doesn't have htc sense...any other thoughts?
Why don't you think it has sense? It is the basically the factory image.
Sent from my HTC Desire via Tapatalk
It is basically a vanilla Cyan. It doesn't have the sense theme and/or any of the sense widgets. Basically I can deal without the widgets but I desperately need to be able to sync with my microsoft outlook. I used outlook religiously for all work info and need that info to be on my phone as well. The Sense operating system allowed this whenplugged through usb, you could download HTC Sync and it would sync up my outlook with my phone....Info in outlook needed: contacts, calendar, tasks....I've downloaded a calendar app which used gmail to sync and that's okay, (not great) but the main thing is my tasks and contacts now....
The one I pointed to brought my phone back to the way it was when I got the phone aside from being rooted still. It has all the original widgets that came with it.
I also sync my outlook calendar, contacts and email with it.
The only difference was that this image was still rooted and not set back to a true unrooted factory state. I'm really not sure why you are not seeing you phone back to the way it was when you walked out of the USCellular store the day you got it after restoring to this image.
Have you tried connecting con247 yet and see what he says about this?
I don't know either.....I will try and contact him and let you know...thanks for the help...
edit: I tried downloading it again and the same result. Boots up Cyan again. Does it matter if you use the free download link rather than purchasing the premium. Another thought: If I get a hold of another desire and root it and then do a back up of the Sense UI, could I just simply copy/paste the backup into my SD Card backup file and then restore that?
It sounds like you need to undo the cyan install somehow before you can run this.
I have not gone any further than a basic root to remove some apps so I am not too familiar with what all doing a cyan mod changes on the system.
Sent from my HTC Desire via Tapatalk
I just need The Stock so the *22890 will program my phone, Im having a hard time finding it for some reason.
And why can you revert back the root? As I can see, you have stock rom, but only rooted. If it's working properly, it's no reason to unroot. Id you do it because of original HTC service, they can realize that you were rooted even if now you aren't.
Edit: But if you want to find Stock rom with no changes, try this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695667.
So I am seriously considering Cyanogen once CM7 comes out with gingerbread, but before I do, I have a few questions that have been bugging me, that I can't seem to find answers to...
Can I ever get back to stock Sense if I don't like CM, and if so, how difficult is it? This is perhaps my largest question.
Does Cyanogen Mod update itself, or will I have to flash it everytime a new version is released?
Will all apps install normally, or do some have issues on CM?
Is there any way to get my contacts to only display people with phone numbers, like on sense?
is there any way to get Facebook integration into my contacts like on sense?
Sorry for the newb questions
1. Yup, just flash any Sense ROM (or the stock RUU) as you normally would. There are plenty of guides for going back to stock, to include the stock ROM, unrooting, and S-On.
2. You flash, but you don't have to wipe data (and really shouldn't). Just wipe cache and Dalvik, and it will perform like a clean install, but retain your apps, data, and settings.
3. I haven't seen any apps perform differently on CM 6.1.0 than on any Sens eROM I've used (Redemption, Skyraider, Virtuous, stock).
4. Not sure, haven't messed with this.
5. Yes. The FB app gives you the option to sync contacts. I don't use this feature, so I can't tell you how well it works.
4. Yes
There is an option to only display contacts w/ phone numbers.
The CM Nightlies are going on now, but you don't need every version due to there only being a few changes for each (some none at all). Stick with a version that works (i'm on #10) and wait for a major change.
I loved Sense, until i tried CM
Thanks for the response!
Yes. The FB app gives you the option to sync contacts. I don't use this feature, so I can't tell you how well it works.
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Actually, I was referring to how Sense will update existing contact info with information from their fb profile (images, birthdays, email, etc).
hybrid86 said:
Thanks for the response!
Actually, I was referring to how Sense will update existing contact info with information from their fb profile (images, birthdays, email, etc).
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In this case I am uncertain, as I do not use the feature.
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1. Yup, just flash any Sense ROM (or the stock RUU) as you normally would. There are plenty of guides for going back to stock, to include the stock ROM, unrooting, and S-On.
2. You flash, but you don't have to wipe data (and really shouldn't). Just wipe cache and Dalvik, and it will perform like a clean install, but retain your apps, data, and settings.
3. I haven't seen any apps perform differently on CM 6.1.0 than on any Sens eROM I've used (Redemption, Skyraider, Virtuous, stock).
4. Not sure, haven't messed with this.
5. Yes. The FB app gives you the option to sync contacts. I don't use this feature, so I can't tell you how well it works.
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You should always wipe everything and perform a truly clean install. If you ever have a problem with a rom, and haven't done this, it's the first thing you will be told to do.
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You should always wipe everything and perform a truly clean install. If you ever have a problem with a rom, and haven't done this, it's the first thing you will be told to do.
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Not according to the Cyanogen team. When you're upgrading within the same ROM family, this is absolutely not needed. Same as going from Virtuous 3.1 to 3.2, for example.
In rare cases, a ROM developer will usually tell you to wipe data for a specific upgrade, or will have the ROM install do it as part of the installation process.
hybrid86 said:
Thanks for the response!
Actually, I was referring to how Sense will update existing contact info with information from their fb profile (images, birthdays, email, etc).
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Either the Facebook App or CyanogenMod does this on my phone.
if you use vlingo, it still has force close issues with cm7.
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You should always wipe everything and perform a truly clean install. If you ever have a problem with a rom, and haven't done this, it's the first thing you will be told to do.
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I agree with you. It only takes seconds to do. I really don't care if someone tells me that I don't have to wipe everything before I flash... I do it EVERY time.