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[Q] multiple roms?

I'm wondering if its possible to partition my sd card so that half of it can remain baked snack with everything I have set up then the other half to cm6 final then just flash the roms and kernels from the applicable side when I want to run it. So essentially I have 2 to choose from each with their own backups ext...
Possible?

Kinda like a dual boot box... Is there an app for that?

I don't really want an app for it. I think that would end up slowing the system down substantially. I just want to be to choose a partition flash the rom from that partition then do a nand restore for that rom(located on same partition) and have that side of my sd card already set for that particular rom.

cool idea. for now I just nand restore when I want to switch back and forth but it takes a bit of time. If it was as quick as rebooting to another partition that would be hot.

That's very possible. We dualboot our pc from Windows to Linux so should not be impossible. Someone just needs to make it work.
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Maybe I'll suggest it in the Dev section someone in there will have the know how to get this done.

well the rom doesnt install to the sdcard. hence the reason you can format the sdcard and still have a working phone. it installs to the phones internal memory.
your best bet is to do what is stated above. do a nandriod of the roms you want, setup how you want and a titanium backup of each to restore your settings.

So I can't just partition it and have 2 different "sides" for each roms information like I can't tell Baked Snack to look at "A:" and CM6 to look at "B:"? are we sure about this? Maybe even partition the memory inside the phone to 2 different roms then choose 1 from boot loader? Think I'm going to try to post something in dev section and hope they won't get too angry at me.

You know, i think the main reason this hasn't been discussed before is that previous phones didn't have the nand capacity to hold multiple roms that you would switch between. Even at 512mb it is pushing it depending on how many apps you are going to have installed on the phone on each rom that aren't going to be insstalled to sd.

Well I have 270 free on the phone and I still haven't moved every app I can over to the SD cdard. I think Cyanogen is smaller then most other roms the Zip is only 70 mb compared to baked snack wich is 170, well over double. I think it would be pretty easy to have enough space. This may hinder performace if internal memory is completely maxed out though, not quite sure.

wy1d said:
cool idea. for now I just nand restore when I want to switch back and forth but it takes a bit of time. If it was as quick as rebooting to another partition that would be hot.
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Yeah thats what I doo I have Fresh 3.1.0.2 and CM6 and I just restore depending on my mood.

[Q] Dual Booting? Need Dev advice.

I originally posted this in the Q/A section but no one seemed to have any reasonable answer.
Is it possible to partition my SD card so I can have baked snack on 1 half and CM6 on the other with all their user options ect.... saved to that respective side of the card? I'm not really wanting a true dual boot here but I would like to maybe nand backup my backed snack save it to backed snack's partition. Then flash cm6 and kernel ect.. and already have all my apps settings in place. Or maybe even partition the internal mem so we could have a true dual boot. Is it possible to partition the internal mem and perhaps mess around with the boot loader in order choose which partition you will be booting from?

crimeslunk said:
I originally posted this in the Q/A section but no one seemed to have any reasonable answer.
Is it possible to partition my SD card so I can have baked snack on 1 half and CM6 on the other with all their user options ect.... saved to that respective side of the card? I'm not really wanting a true dual boot here but I would like to maybe nand backup my backed snack save it to backed snack's partition. Then flash cm6 and kernel ect.. and already have all my apps settings in place. Or maybe even partition the internal mem so we could have a true dual boot. Is it possible to partition the internal mem and perhaps mess around with the boot loader in order choose which partition you will be booting from?
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Did you try using both NAND and Titanium backups? If you make two backups, one for each ROM, you should be able to recover everything fairly easily when you want to go back and forth.

I suppose it would be possible. Stuff would load pretty slow though and you'd have to manually create such a setup. I haven't looked at the bootstrapping, but I can't think of any reason you couldn't mount the data heavy positions from the sdcard. Not easy by most people though.
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i asked for this a few months back and was told to just use rom manager. make backups of both roms and just use that to go between them. dual booting isnt possible with our boot loader.

OP, without getting too "techy", what's being overlooked is the fact that you'd have to get into the BIOS itself end change where it loads the os from for it to work.
Also, in theory, with the os running from the SD card, things like mounting the phone as a disk drive would be impossible without turning the phone off, and that would just suck...
It's a cool idea, but I think having everything draw from.one source would make it lag like hell even, so I dunno.... I don't really get your reasoning behind switching between different roms on a constant basis, but I'd think about the cons too
All spelling errors thanks to xt9 on my Evo!

ricersniper said:
i asked for this a few months back and was told to just use rom manager. make backups of both roms and just use that to go between them. dual booting isnt possible with our boot loader.
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Sure, but what if they shared the initrd and that was what promoted for the selection?
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I did this with my tp2 had winnow and android on. Had Haret.exe worked great just used a explorer to SD card clicked and loaded up. Also had dual bootup at startup. Picked which rom I wanted to run. Was indeed nice.
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Not to get off op topic but how do you get rid off the nand backups on the phone. Have a few on roms I don't use anymore.
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you can get rid of backups a few ways if you use rom manager you can just go to manage and retore roms long clikc it and select delete. if you dont use rom manager youc an set your device to disck drive while hooked up tot he pc and manually navigate to the back up and delete it.

In reality, you could make as many NAND backups as you want, and restore any of of them from recovery whenever you want!

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Did you try using both NAND and Titanium backups? If you make two backups, one for each ROM, you should be able to recover everything fairly easily when you want to go back and forth.
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Would you not need to constantly update the nand backups?
Also...if I were to do this with say CM6 and something else...would I have 4G issues from flipping back and forth? I know CM6 doesn't have 4G and want to make sure it's just missing, not that it messed with the radio.

Alrigh then I guess I'll just give up on this and do it the old fashion way with band and titanium back ups. Am I going to need the full version of titanium for this? Will it make the whole process alot quicker?

[Q] newbie has rooted, which Rom is best for a newbie ?

Hi all, my first post here, i cant help it but i am nearly 65, bald and retired !.
I treated myself to a Desire last week, un-branded, £10 month with Tescos.
I have been Rooted a few days now, i want to Flash a Rom next, but with so many out there, where do i start ?.
At a guess i do believe i should try CyanogenMOD 7 , but please bear in mind i am completely new to this Smartphone business and i am slow in picking things up, so is "CM7" a bit too much for my grey matter, or am i putting obsticles in the way that dont really exist !
I was very pleased with my faultless rooting, and i have rehearsed the Rom Flashing continuosly using Rom Manager which looks as if it does all the dirty work for me.
If there is a ROM for noobies i havent found it yet !!!!
Tim

You don't have to be a expert to use Cyanogenmod but i would say it's more complicated then something like Leedroid. If you flash the nonA2SD version you have nothing else to worry about, like partitioning your sd card.
One important thing to realize is that Cyanogenmod and Sense rom's are quite different, is there a particulate reason you mention Cyanogenmod? Because if there is you might as well learn how to use it from the beginning.
Also don't forget to make a nandroid (backup in rom manager) before you flash a other rom.

TheGhost1233 said:
You don't have to be a expert to use Cyanogenmod but i would say it's more complicated then something like Leedroid. If you flash the nonA2SD version you have nothing else to worry about, like partitioning your sd card.
One important thing to realize is that Cyanogenmod and Sense rom's are quite different, is there a particulate reason you mention Cyanogenmod? Because if there is you might as well learn how to use it from the beginning.
Also don't forget to make a nandroid (backup in rom manager) before you flash a other rom.
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Hi Mr Ghost, i am well pleased somebody replied, CM7 is simply the one that crops up the most. The word Sense, does this by any chance mean HTC Sense ? so if a Rom doesnt have Sense that must mean it doesnt have many or any of the features that make my current ROM more friendly to use.
If CM7 doesnt have SENSE does that mean that the keyboard doent do Landscape mode ?
LEEDROID yeah i could have a go at that one, TA ......... i dont really want to have to partition my SD card, i read about a Goldcard if you partition etc. which doesnt sound v. good.
O yes, i found that Rom Manager Backs Up my original ROM and Wipes, does it ONLY wipe the phones memory ?
thanks for you help
tim

Yes Sense means HTC Sense and you will lose some of the features, but not the landscape keyboard. However i would say HTC Sense makes the android introduction a bit easier and user friendly.
A goldcard is not the same as a card with a ext partition, but as long as you don't run in to space issues there is no need to partition your sd card.
Yes the wipes will only affect the phone memory, the sd card is untouched. Contacts are backed up with gmail but stuff like apps, sms, wireless settings ect is lost unless you back them up yourself. (Titanium backup)

TheGhost1233 said:
Yes Sense means HTC Sense and you will lose some of the features, but not the landscape keyboard. However i would say HTC Sense makes the android introduction a bit easier and user friendly.
A goldcard is not the same as a card with a ext partition, but as long as you don't run in to space issues there is no need to partition your sd card.
Yes the wipes will only affect the phone memory, the sd card is untouched. Contacts are backed up with gmail but stuff like apps, sms, wireless settings ect is lost unless you back them up yourself. (Titanium backup)
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Thanks, so it is LEEDROID for starters thanks buddy, i still dont know what a Goldcard is though, perhaps i dont need to know LOL.
One small problem, LEEDROID isnt available in the list of roms in Rom Manager, i suppose i shall have download it "manually" and get it in the relevant Rom Manager Folder, great sorted i should be able to do that.
I have Titanium Backup Pro as well so its best if i Backup "All user apps" that should be sufficient, yeah ? and itll be no good Backing up ANYTHING ELSE, becuase if restored it would mess up LEEDROID, am i correct with that assumption ?
tim

Yes i would say start with Leedroid.
Best thing is to only back up user apps, i never back up anything else. Most likely it will mess something up.
The goldcard is only needed when using a RUU with branded devices, for normal flashing you don't need one.
Just download the Leedroid noA2SD version and put in on your sd, not in any folder just on the sd. Then in rom manager go to install rom form sd and find the zip file.
Edit: looks like the site went down, here's another link. http://db.tt/FBKcMZD

Thanks for that info pal, youre a star.
I havent seen any mention on this site (although i havent searched for it yet) of the battery not lasting very long, however, off topic i suppose, and you can bollock me for that if you like,:-
for internet on my Desire at home i always use my home WiFi, my off topic question is, does WiFi take more out of the battery than using my Providers GSM/WCDMA connection ? i have hardly made a dent on my Providers Data allowance.
tim

What uses more power depends a bit on how strong your 3g signal is, if it's weak it will probably use more power on mobile data and if it's strong, wifi will use more data but this is no gonne make a significant difference on your battery life.
Usually the battery life gets better after some time, also let your battery drain once until the phone powers itself off and then charge it, while it's off, till it's full. Then use it normally again.

Absolutely brilliant Pal, thanks for sticking with me answering my questions for the last hour or two, it was really good of you thanks.
I will definitely try that with my battery next time it needscharging up, thanks.
I will report back tommorrow whether or not i still have a fully functioning phone, LOL. i feel far more confident about "doing it" now, afterall i'm not likely to be "doing it" with anything else ROFL !!!
tim

phew i had difficulty in locating the file, i eventually found the Leedroid Rom here
http://leedroid.com/bravo-roms
I also saw a "radio" file for the same Rom, dam, i have downloaded the latest version and will put it on my SD card the same place as the Rom file in the ROOT directory.
Until i got an Android Phone, i had only used Windows in all it's various versions, of course in Windows, the word ROOT simply means the Top (or bottom?) of the Folder Tree
but of course the same word can mean several hundred pounds when getting it wrong
PS.. do i need to do anything with this extra feature:-
•Re-added “Mod install location” to No A2SD build•
Tim

Root of the sd means not in a folder.
If you are currently on android 2.2 there is no real need to change radio. If you do change radio make sure you are absolutely sure what you are doing.
And you shouldn't have anything to do regarding the mod installation location.
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Thanks that is what i was trying to say !.
Ok on the other two things, ta
Tim

Leedroid Flashed yippee
Thanks for all your help Mr Ghost, i am happily using the Leedroid Rom now, all went smoothly, the battery is still going down preety quickly, i am getting a new battery from HTC any day now, which may perform better than my original ?, but at least i shall have a spare LOL.
Tim

Cheers, another noob reassured. Don't have the excuse of even being close to 65.
I'll be going for the other, with the sd-card option.
Any pittfals I should be aware of?

germsandbugs said:
Cheers, another noob reassured. Don't have the excuse of even being close to 65.
I'll be going for the other, with the sd-card option.
Any pittfals I should be aware of?
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Backup your sd first, and remember to make an external partition if you want it to work with any a2sd rom!

williamj1 said:
Backup your sd first, and remember to make an external partition if you want it to work with any a2sd rom!
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Hey, yeah i used the NON A2SD version and i must say it was very easy, i already had the market version of A2SD pro anyway, which works very well, if it causes so much more extra bovver, having to Partition the SD Card !, with the A2SD included in the Rom, why bother ?
What is the advantage, if any, of having this App on a Rom ?
tim

timmy toad said:
Hey, yeah i used the NON A2SD version and i must say it was very easy, i already had the market version of A2SD pro anyway, which works very well, if it causes so much more extra bovver, having to Partition the SD Card !, with the A2SD included in the Rom, why bother ?
What is the advantage, if any, of having this App on a Rom ?
tim
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No you misunderstand. To get more storage, there are several methods on android.
You get a froyo rom, which allows moving apps to the sd card. However not all of these apps can be moved over, and it is just the app data that is moved.
Method 2 is rooting and flashing a ROM which supports A2SD / A2SD+. This is very different from the apps to sd found on stock froyo. This allows pretty much all apps to be moved, and also moves things like the devlik cache and so on to the sd. It offers far superior storage to stock. For example on stock froyo with apps moved to sd, I can instal maybe 30 apps before I run out of memory. By contrast, I currently have over 100+ installed with A2SD running GingerVillain custom ROM with 64.9mb internal memory remaining.
I'm not the best at explaining things. Check out this FAQ, should answer all your questions.
http://androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-updated-17-02-11-a.html

williamj1 said:
No you misunderstand. To get more storage, there are several methods on android.
You get a froyo rom, which allows moving apps to the sd card. However not all of these apps can be moved over, and it is just the app data that is moved.
Method 2 is rooting and flashing a ROM which supports A2SD / A2SD+. This is very different from the apps to sd found on stock froyo. This allows pretty much all apps to be moved, and also moves things like the devlik cache and so on to the sd. It offers far superior storage to stock. For example on stock froyo with apps moved to sd, I can instal maybe 30 apps before I run out of memory. By contrast, I currently have over 100+ installed with A2SD running GingerVillain custom ROM with 64.9mb internal memory remaining.
I'm not the best at explaining things. Check out this FAQ, should answer all your questions.
http://androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-updated-17-02-11-a.html
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Thanks for that buddy, i've got LEEDROID without A2SD, you have explained with A2SD extremely well, and in a way i can understand, although i can move a lot of Apps to my SD Card, i have noticed i cannot move all of them !, I learn summat everyday. thanks.
tim

timmy toad said:
Thanks for that buddy, i've got LEEDROID without A2SD, you have explained with A2SD extremely well, and in a way i can understand, although i can move a lot of Apps to my SD Card, i have noticed i cannot move all of them !, I learn summat everyday. thanks.
tim
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Yup definately worth upgrading to get more storage. Backup apps with titanium backup or mybackup root, then flash a2sd enabled rom, if N1 table user type scripts to enable in terminal and then restore apps. Simples

williamj1 said:
Yup definately worth upgrading to get more storage. Backup apps with titanium backup or mybackup root, then flash a2sd enabled rom, if N1 table user type scripts to enable in terminal and then restore apps. Simples
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AAAhhhh, Now you have completely befuddled me !, i dont know what you mean by N1 table table scripts in terminal etc.
I think i will stay as i am thanks, i am not quite so serious at getting my hands dirty as most of you are !. LOL
tim

Failed to move application. Not Enough Memory

After searching, this is a pretty serious problem that nobody has found a fix for.
I get "Failed to move application. Not enough memory" when trying to move apps to the sd card.
Problem is, I have plenty of memory on my sd card (4gb) and I had all these apps and more on my sd card before a recent flash to EF02. I've seen this problem on my girlfriends EVO as well.
Could it be related to the internal storage being too low? It seems like when the internal memory warning pops up, it goofs up all kinds of things related to memory.
Also, is there a way to delete all installed apps at once from my phone?

Try getting SD Maid from the market it see if that works for you. It worked for me.

Thats just a bug with EF02.

LunaticWolf said:
Thats just a bug with EF02.
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I thought that maybe was the case. But it's a pretty common bug across a lot of Android phones/ROMs, if you google it.
Also, My first try at EF02, I flashed over EE03 without wiping anything. And had great results, and then something made my stock browser go fishy (mightve been EE03 8 lockscreen mod), so I wiped and re-flashed, and then using mybackup root to reinstall all my apps, I ran into this problem.
And doesn't really matter for a while now. Just dropped my phone in the toilet. Wasn't in there longer than 1 second, but I got it in rice now anyways.

Sorry to hear about your phone making a visit to the toilet, im not sure what the rice thing is but maybe you could shed some light on it for me. also i have the apps 2 sd prob, except i cannot install custom roms due to md5 mismatch on x8, but my wifes x8 has no probs, i can install all roms no problem if i use her card for the install and backup, which is a bit annoying as she is happy with floyo 0.30 and wont swap cards with me. i tried formatting the card and making an exact image of hers but no joy, no custom roms or a2sd for me. if anyone has figured this out then please please let me know.
Thanks in advance and as this is my first post i should say thanks to doixanh, racht and all those who have put in so much effort to make our little x8 a great device, keep up the great work.

[Q] Wiping phone and starting over

I have been having all sorts of problems with my phone, mainly from it running super low on storage space, even though I have moved virtually everything to the SD card that I can, and keep wiping the address book (which of course screws everything up). Some kind folks had helped me out a lot, but in the end suggested I just wipe it all and start over, but I was waiting to get a new SD card, which I finally have, and I just wanted to make sure I understand everything correctly before leaping in.
So I understand I need to format the SD card, and I was hoping someone could give me or point me to a guide to doing so. I understand I need to get A2SD, is that right? And so once I format it, I can just put everything on my old card onto the new one, yeah? And I understand I need to install Amon RA and get rid of Clockwork Mod, I get that. So then after I do all that, I should just flash a new ROM and not restore anything, and if things seem better, then I can batch restore apps, is that right? I think I just want to stick with the stock ROM, but is there a rooted version of the latest update available?
If someone would be so kind as to walk me through this one last time, keeping in mind I am pretty much a noob, that would be much appreciated.
Oh, I also would love to do the Firerat custom MTD partitions thing (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855424), tried to do it once before but screwed some things up, had to revert back to a previous backup, so figured now would be a good time to try that again, so if anyone can give me the rundown on that too, that would be super.
Thanks so much!

im gonna try and help you here, first back up everything you have on your sd card to your computer so you dont loose it when partitioning, then download a PCIMG36.zip of amon ra, put it on sd card and boot into bootloader and select yes when prompted, that will put amon ra as your recovery. now that you have amon ra and already backed up the stuff in your sd card to your computer go ahead and in recovery selcect partition sd card, its gonna ask you for a swap size( i use 0 but you can use 32 if you like, 0 works fine), then its going to ask for partition size for me 1024 is more than enough(1024 equals 1gb), once this is done, select upgrade ext2 to ext3. now your sd card is partitioned. you can go ahead and put all your stuff back into your sd card and flash the rom(for a2sd to work your rom has to have it built in, other wise you are going to have to flash it) if your rom has it built in it will automatically kick in. once your rom is flashed you can go ahead and restore apps, i would do them one by one, sometimes there are issues when doing batch, and also unless the app is really important i would only restore the app not its data, but i do restore app and data for important apps. if all goes well you should have a lot more free memory on your phone, you can check if apps are going to sd ext by opening titanium back up and at the bottom you should see sd a2sd or sd ext and next to it amount of free memory, if your phone internal is still low after all this and gets lower when installing apps you can fix it by going into terminal emulator and typing
su (hit enter)
a2sd reinstall (hit enter, this will move all apps to sd ext)
any more questions ust ask

With the new 2.1/3.0 hybrids, you're better off using larger partitions. I found swap 64 or 128 and EXT of 2048 works out better, if you have an 8gig or larger SD Card

Thanks so much for the quick responses! I am going to give this a shot later tonight, but another quick question.
I think I've got down how to partition it, thanks a lot for breaking that down for me. And I did just get a 32 GB SD card, so I'll go with the 128 swap and EXT of 2048, that's no big deal.
Now for what ROM to flash - I've just used the stock before, haven't flashed any other ROMs, but if I'm going this far, figure I might as well give it a try, why not. So what ROM would you recommend that has A2SD already built in?? If you could just give me a quick run down (or point me to somewhere where there is one, I'm sure it already exists) on how to go about flashing the ROM (I think I just download it though and install it through bootloader, is that right??), that would be super appreciated.
Thanks again!!

Roms are flashed through recovery and what Rom to use wow that will get you a lot of opinions.
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man there are so many roms for so many tastes, but i would suggest Vaelpak 3.2 rc2 which is still a sense rom, but has a lot of customization options. to flash your fresh rom you need to put the rom on your sd card, then turn off phone, go into bootloader, go into recovery, select wipe, and wipe cache, dalvik cache and data, do each twice to make sure, then go back and select flash zip from sd card, scroll to the bottom and look for the rom, select it and reboot

Once again, thanks for the replies and the detailed explanation, much appreciated. Didn't get around to it last night, will do so tonight. I definitely understand there are a ton of ROMs out there, but am just looking for something pretty simple I guess, since all I've used is the stock so far. Vaelpak 3.2 rc2 sounds good, I'll give that a try. So just to make sure I understand, when I install this ROM, that's everything, right, so I don't need to worry about installing the latest Android software. Or do I still need to install the latest Gingerbread update (and if so, how do I go about doing that?) in addition to installing this ROM?
Sorry for the million questions, and thanks again!

VaelPak is a very extensive ROM. If you REALLY want to stay close to stock, but have the most updated, complete, streamlined, error free experience, go with Synergy or MikG.
I LOVE VaelPak, but there is a LOT of options, themeing, development, etc in there. It's definitely not for a beginner. Also, his newest release, which is based in GB is pretty awesome, but it's an AOSP Rom, which I'm not a fan of.

Hi all,
So this is really strange, I feel like I must just be missing something, but I finally pulled the trigger, did it all, flashed my first ROM (exciting!) and all seems to have gone smoothly, except that I cannot figure out how to access Titanium Backup?!? I thought it came with MikG (I decided to give that ROM a shot), but did not see it, so went to the Market and re-downloaded it, and it says downloaded, but I cannot click on "open" and it is nowhere to be found in the apps list, or anywhere for that matter. Help! What the heck is going on? Any thoughts?
Thanks much!

Did you have a notification saying "Titatium Backup Installed" or something like that? I've had the same problem in the Gingersense roms if I leave the market before the download AND installation is complete. Not every time but sometimes.

I was just being a little slow there, I had installed the key, but not the actual program. Oops So all good, got that working, but a couple quick more questions.
Sadly it seems that I did not have TB set to backup everything on a regular basis, looks like it was just set up to backup new apps and new versions (yikes!, I know). So I've been restoring some apps little by little, and when I restored Angry Birds I noticed I was stuck back on the first level and I was like, this isn't right, looked at the date, and last backup was like March/April. This is kind of a drag for some things, like that, and especially beyondPod, lost all my settings and a number of feeds there, but I think it's probably just something I'm going to have to live with, right? I of course made a nandroid right before I wiped and flashed, but it seems like even more of a hassle to go back to that nandroid, backup things to Titanium, then reflash MikG and restore everything again, rather than just recreating what I've lost, right? Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something, there's no other way around this.
Thanks for any assistance.