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It has happened a few other times, but now its starting to irritate me. Why is it that companies only offer apps for Blackberry, Iphone and Android? It has happened several times I was searching for an app to see that there was none for Windows Mobile. The latest of which was a UPS tracking app, UPS only has it for Android, BB, and Iphone.
Is there some sort of boycott of Microsoft from companies for them to refuse to make apps for our phones?
no, they're just waiting until WP7 comes out so they don't have to make 2 different apps
I too feel the same way. And I'm not gonna do windows7 so I guess I'll jump to android.
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I too feel the same way. And I'm not gonna do windows7 so I guess I'll jump to android.
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I'm with you on that one, it seems like Android really has taken off.
The current versions of WM are a "lame duck". Windows Phone 7 will not be compatible with any software for previous WM versions. And WP7 comes out before the holiday season 2010 (possibly as early as October). So companies don't want to spend time and $$$ developing an app that will only be good for a few months.
Also, the WM market share is shrinking. The latest numbers show that WM only has 13% of the market (and going down), while RIM has 41%, Apple 24%, and Android has 13%, but growing rapidly.
Yes, those of us with the current version of WM are left in the dust. Unless MS turns things around with WP7, I'm moving to Android also.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1134006593#!/apps/application.php?id=7933375107
Clicked the windows icon on the wall post I created on my friends wall through my phone and it went here which leads me to believe that this is an accurate number of windows phone 7 users who use the integrated Facebook app.
are you certain it's the integrated facebook features or is it the actual facebook app itself?
also, facebook isn't a true measure of the number of people using windows phones as there are a lot who either don't want to tie their phone to facebook, or merely do not have facebook.
edit: i also think you should check out http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7180000-facebook-users-3800-apps/, and the comments in the latter half of the page. a lot of people bring up valid points on how WMPU done their measurements and how they can't really be founded to be the actual sales figures.
Try it post on a friends wall then go to their wall and click the windows icon next to the wall post you made. I did this through the integrated app. All be it that not all windows phone users have facebook it should be quite accurate that if even half have it which is more likely than not it only equals 400000. I am not a nay sayer I was just dissapointed to see that.
yea i don't doubt that it does link to it as i've seen it myself. though who knows, those numbers (400,000ish) could be right with a lot of issues on the initial launch with lack of devices and what not. also looking at stats from whistleout.com.au (gives comparisons between australian companies, so in this case against telcos), WP7 got 4.8% comparisons compared to 26.8% of Android, and 53.7% of iPhone.
source: http://www.whistleout.com.au/blog/wp7-sales-not-taking-off
disclaimer: iPhone was around in australia and with a greater presence than any other smartphone, and australians are very much tech consumers, and once consumed it's hard to get them off, hence why iPhone is massively stronger here than say in the US (stronger in ratio wise, after all australia is only 22million).
As far as I see it, this isn't even the "real" launch of WP7. It's a launch for early adopters, and 200.000 early adopters is excellent! In January we will see some updates to the platform, and by summer we should see some really cool devices, and I bet MS will start touting WP7 more as apps are getting more available etc etc.
tbh i love the fact that not many people have wp7 yet as it means when people see mine there more impressed. MS knew it would be a slow launch you have to plug away at these things until people catch on (look at android). Once the updates are out we will see great phones and much like the desire was to android we will have one that stands out and pushes it forward.
I hope MS ditches the BOGO deal and instead offers a base dataplan that is included with every new phone. So instead of blowing 199 on a device most people won't be able to do because the contract renewals don't jive up, just pay the carrier for a 500mb/month base data 3g plan. If people can get their monthly costs down the phones will sell more.
Honestly, once Sprint & Verizon have the phones, i think it will be a game changer. The devices will really take off.
Not to mention tons of people are still holding out for the set they want. cough dell cough
not sure how the facebook numbers are tallied.. it jumps by about 25k randomly
Many people waiting on their contracts to expire. I couldn't wait and bought myself an unlocked phone.
Wife and I each have a Focus, I use FB all the time, she never. So hers is not setup....
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Wife and I each have a Focus, I use FB all the time, she never. So hers is not setup....
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The phone isn't being sold as a facebook phone, so i hope people keep that in mind
With that being said, the attach rate for Facebook adoption has to be rather high and that is a good thing if you ask me.
200k mobile users on a new facebook platform that doesn't even support all the fb features yet?
More anecdotatal evidence - i'm seeing lots of my friends message me and tell me they can't wait to get their phone and even some of my nerdy anti-ms friends are jumping in and totally distancing themselves from the hate-rumors fully knowing the small issues will be fixed but the functionality at large is exactly what they're looking for.
Funny enough i had one dude i knew who was totally for android but didn't own an android phone (has an iphone 3g) and when he saw my phone he just spit out the same talking points. I asked him how is iphone 3g works with microSD cards and if tethering was an issue for him and he shut up. he even asked to see my phone later
its going to be a slow start.. from crappy economy to limited carriers but hopefully 2011 with 2 new cdma phones will set things forward!
WP7 is definitely a long-term project and won't have immediate success. However, if MS keep up continual updates next year, then it's going to be a real contender in the market. Can't wait to see what 2011 has in store for WP7 from a user perspective as well as a developer perspective.
I don't have a WP7 device since it's not available here and there's no Cyrillic keyboard, but if I did, I wouldn't enter the Facebook account. There's Windows Live support, and WL can integrate Facebook together with a bunch of other social networks including FB. In FB stats you won't see such access at all because it's done by a Microsoft web service.
Now, I have no clue how many people would use this (you need a WLID but I don't remember whether WL offers to add FB during registration), but this is definitely another possible source of statistical errors.
However, these small numbers actually kind of coincide with another piece of circumstantial evidence - the recently released app download numbers are really tiny.
So yeah, WP7 didn't put the smartphone world on fire, to put it mildly.
Most people that come to my store and buy a wp7 do not log into facebook. I offer to help with it and most of the time they tell me they either dont use facebook or do not want to log in.
Had an HD7 briefly, didnt use facebook on it and wont be using it on my Dell or ever.
I have a WinPhone and don't use facebook. I like to remain incognito. (Which defeats the purpose when I post to these boards)
Wow
More people use facebook than google. Nuf said. Actually if you look at the initial sales numbers of andriod 1.0 and the iphone 1.0 this is probably on par if not better, But it is great to get MS people mad, BTW I am a MS person.
Media center on both laptop and desktop
2 XBOX 360's 1 with kinnect
1 WM 6.5 alway had WM!!!
1 WP7
and manage 1400 win desktops
and 40 win servers
and why.... their technology keeps me employed
I was just amazed that ppl wernt floking in the store.
enterprise is one thing, consumer market... not so much. That and the so much of the media all drink Apple/Google Kool-aid.
It was kind of fun that all the people I work with, who swear to iPhone (I believe they think they're still "special" - not "special" like I think of them, but "special" like not too many people have it) actually admired my new WP7 phone. And I, who said I would rather go down the Android path, might be back on track
Another thing that proves the market is opening to WP is that I already got three programming assignments - and they all want to pay me for making the apps, plus I can charge users for using the app.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/239405/30_days_with_windows_phone_7.html
Great series!
Yeah Molly Wood should take a look at this................. Maybe she will get some pointers on how to post a blog..
nodo review? meh
i find not good serie.iphone user test wp7.ridiculous.very objective
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i find not good serie.iphone user test wp7.ridiculous.very objective
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and why not he dosnt like android so what else is there? blackberry?
you've misunderstood me. I think the test is not good because it tests a iphone user. he will find his iphone always better.But it is not what I find. I've meant.
i love my wp7.
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in summary
Users shouldn't have to buy smartphones or mobile platforms that are still knowingly under development, and vendors like Microsoft shouldn't expect users to support a half-baked platform, or pay for the privilege of beta testing it. When Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango" devices hit the street, Windows Phone 7 will finally be what it should have been before Microsoft launched it in the first place.
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shounds fair in my opinion
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you've misunderstood me. I think the test is not good because it tests a iphone user. he will find his iphone always better.But it is not what I find. I've meant.
i love my wp7.
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Read. The. Article. Give it a chance, I find that he's pretty fair in addressing the strengths and weakness of WP7.5. That's more than most and if you don't think every OS has something to improve or work on this article or, well let's face it, reality isn't really for you.
I'm glad you love it. I love my girlfriend but she takes a wicked dump sometimes. Nothing is perfect.
Some good points/snippets for general users.
1.Windows Phone 7 lets me pin not
only apps , but contacts, and even
websites to the start screen. In a
word, this is "awesome".
Why? Because, it makes the
smartphone both more
customizable- -enabling me to make
the start screen into exactly what I
need it to be, and more functional--
giving me simple one-tap access to
the apps, contacts, and sites I need
most.
2. So, while it is impressive that Apple
has more than half a million apps,
or that Android has more than
250,000 apps, and it may seem like
Windows Phone 7 can't compete
with its measly 30,000 apps, the
reality is that 30,000 is way more
than I will need. As long as
Windows Phone 7 has the 10 or 20
apps I actually use, it will be fine. But, for the new kid on the block it
seems to be progressing nicely, and
it offers an app shopping and buying
experience that is at least equal to
its rivals, and in some ways it's a
little better.
3. That brings me back to the
Windows Phone 7 Marketplace.
With Windows Phone 7, I have the
option to either "try " or "buy" a
given app in most cases. Many paid
apps offer a trial option as well. If I
click on "try ", a free trial version of
the app installs and I can check it
out and see if it works as advertised,
and that it meets my needs before I
decide whether or not to spend the
money to actually buy it.
4. I prefer the
Samsung Focus over the HTC HD7S .
I didn't have any problems with the
HTC during the week or so I have
been using it, but the Focus just
feels much more comfortable in my
hand. I also ran some side by side
trials and found the Focus to be
noticeably faster than the HTC
HD7S .
5. The "Me" tile gives me simple, one-
tap access to post messages to my
various networks.It turns out that it
is not quite as narcissistic as it
seems at face value. The same way
having a live tile for my wife lets me
have quick, one- tap access to
communicate with her through
whatever means are available, the
"Me" tile gives me quick, one-tap
access to post messages, check in to
locations, or review notifications
from my various services and social
networks.
6. The
Windows Phone 7 Marketplace has
only a fraction of the apps available
for iOS. Some of the tools I use
regularly are just core apps that
come pre-installed in Windows
Phone 7. Things like Alarms,
Calculator, Calendar, and Camera
are already there, so I don't need to
find replacements. I frequently use
my smartphone to look things up on
the Web, and Windows Phone 7 has
the Internet Explorer browser pre-
installed, so I am all set there.
7. When it comes to entertainment, I
rely on apps like the Kindle app
from Amazon, the Netflix app, the
YouTube app, and other tools like
Fandango and IMDB. All five have
Windows Phone 7 apps , and all five
are free. So far, I am doing pretty
good and haven't spent a penny.
For productivity on the iPhone I
have the Apple iWorks apps- -Pages,
Numbers, and Keynote-- as well as
Documents To Go. With Windows
Phone 7, I have Office Mobile apps
installed with the OS, and integrated
with cloud- based file storage on my
SkyDrive, so I don't need to replace
those apps.
8. Out of the gate, Windows Phone 7
lacked copy and paste, third-party
multitasking, SD memory card slots,
Wi-Fi hotspot tethering, Adobe
Flash, and a variety of other
capabilities that Microsoft knew
users would expect. It is like the
Windows Phone 7 developers were
working in a basement sequestered
away from following any tech news
and completely oblivious to what
rival mobile operating systems like
iOS and Android were going
through.
So, now Windows Phone 7 has copy
and paste, and lets you do custom
ringtones, and has some form of
multitasking, and many of the other
features and capabilities it should
have had when it launched. There
are still some notable exceptions
like Adobe Flash, and SD memory is
only available on some Windows
Phone 7 smartphone models.
9. There were things I liked about
Windows Phone 7 out of the gate,
but overall I wasn't very impressed .
With the launch of the "NoDo"
update, WP7 got significantly better.
With "Mango", it is finally a mobile
OS worthy of going head to head
with iOS and Android .
10. Angry Birds is still Angry Birds. I
don't really see any difference
between launching birds at pigs
hiding in structures regardless of
platform. But, I played Need for
Speed on both phones (Need for
Speed: Shift on the iPhone 4 , and
Need for Speed: Undercover on
Windows Phone 7) , and the
animation seemed smoother on
Windows Phone 7 with more
vibrant detail.
11. you're a speed nut (and who isn't ?),
you might appreciate that Mango is
running a full desktop version of
the IE9 browser, not a mobile
variation.
Microsoft demonstrated this IE9
capability in Mango in April for
Windows Phone developers, who
cheered when a browsing speed test
favored Windows Phone over
phones running Android ,
BlackBerry and iOS. Again on
Tuesday, a speed test favored
Windows Phone on Mango and IE9 .
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I don't think he is done as of yet as the title reads "30 days" and he is only on day 17 so we have not gotten his conclusion as of yet..
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Read day 2, they sent him a Mango device....(did not get till day 6)
Read up to day 16, def an iOS fan, so from their view in 1/2 way through the 30 days, it's a good read over all.
I think it points more about the flaws in WP7 that iOS does better than the major of the good things. Also, he brings up problems that could be turned off by a simple switch.
I guess if you were a true iPhone lover and thinking about going to WP7, it might be a good read, as the writer loves his iPhone and it would give you a view from that.
He's giving it a fair shake and really likes a lot, but it's just his opinion
My big beef, is the same I had with Molly. I LIKE the touch for instructions functionatlity of the mango navigation. However, I agree, it should be an option, IN ALL NAV SYSTEMS.
I don't want to sound rude or blunt, but your opinion is kind of irrelevant here.
There is only one reason Microsoft implemented it the way they did, and it wasn't because they thought it was better. If there had not been a licensing issue, the option you prefer would not exist. They would have implemented a fully automated nav system.
And to be brutally honest, if a standalone nav system were to be released that used this mechanism, I would never even give it a second look. It is completely pathetic. It could easily become the cause of auto accidents, and using it may even be illegal under some US states' anti-texting / distracted driving laws (where hands-free nav systems are allowed, since they prevent interaction when the vehicle is in motion).
They should have licensed the data form an entity that would allow them to deploy a decent navigation integration, then. How about, the same entity they use for Bing Maps on Windows Mobile.
And yes, using a WP7 device with that Navigation would get you pulled over on the interstate here, and you'd get a ticket. They are very strict with texting laws, and there was even an attempt to ban cell phone use in cars, period.
They can do what they want. I have two phones and on my Android both the preloaded TeleNav and Google Maps have free TBT with Voice Guidance in them.
The #1 issue I have is safety. It just boggles my mind that this idea was allowed out of the discussion room, nevermind onto users' devices. It's just irresponsible, IMO, on a very severe level.
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Read day 2, they sent him a Mango device....(did not get till day 6)
Read up to day 16, def an iOS fan, so from their view in 1/2 way through the 30 days, it's a good read over all.
I think it points more about the flaws in WP7 that iOS does better than the major of the good things. Also, he brings up problems that could be turned off by a simple switch.
I guess if you were a true iPhone lover and thinking about going to WP7, it might be a good read, as the writer loves his iPhone and it would give you a view from that.
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Are you guys seriously going to counter every bit of percieved negative criticism of this OS by claming the reviewer is a fan or fanboi of another OS.
Is it possible not to be? I mean, it's not like WP7 has been out since 2007 or 2008/9...
Professor Simon Peach said:
in summary
Users shouldn't have to buy smartphones or mobile platforms that are still knowingly under development, and vendors like Microsoft shouldn't expect users to support a half-baked platform, or pay for the privilege of beta testing it. When Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango" devices hit the street, Windows Phone 7 will finally be what it should have been before Microsoft launched it in the first place.
shounds fair in my opinion
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Wow, it looks like I'll restart reading PCWorld after years. That's pretty much the most accurate 2 line review I've seen so far.
Best part is that it's also valid for the dev publishing process
Edit: nm, he's reviewing mango. it's all good
So basically you bring your phone and have it run similar tasks to a Windows Phone. If your Phone is faster, then you win a laptop. If you lose you get to trade in you slower phone for a new Windows 7 Lumia Phone. I could see this go two ways...One some one gets a list of what MS plans to have the phones do and have a specialized ROM that can accomplish those tasks quickly. The phone would also likely be overclocked to the brink. I'm not saying Android Phones are weak, I love my G2x(rooted, OCed to 1.4Ghz) , but in some things my Quantum is quicker at. That's despite only being a single core running at 1Ghz.
The other side, is to bring a "ringer" phone (geddit?) like an old HTC Hero or an LG Optimus V...have it lose and walk out with a nice Windows Phone.
I like Windows Phone 7, the interface is clean and quick, like a nicer version of iOS. But the AppStore is an abomination. I constantly Cross shop Apps across my iPhone4, G2x and Quantum and sometimes could justify getting the same app across them because of sales or it's available for free on one platform or the other. But when I turn to the Live Marketplace, it's like walking through a mall that only has 1/3 of it's spaces leased out and the places that ARE there are selling stuff at twice the price you can get from another mall across town. Angry Birds for example is available for Free or $1.00 on iOS or Android, on WP7 it's $3. I'm going to tell you...the WP7 version is not 3x better than the iOS or Android version. In fact the Android Version will scale up for tablet screens and look good doing it. The iOS(phone) version can be stretched, but it looks less sharp. I digress....It's a a neat idea for a promotion, but I wish WP7 had a more customer friendly prices.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/03/23/windows.phone.speed.contest.gives.free.devices/
Interesting find.
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when will this promotion happen? and where
So desperate... So embarrassing...
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smoked by wp7 has been going, on for some time and has been very well received so far. They're just now bringing it to Microsoft stores which is cool considering wp7 has lost less than 5 percent of their contests so far. Its a good campaign, it shows that Microsoft knows where their strengths lie.
Time to grab my moms optimus one and go find a windows store. I would really like a new lumia
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Time to grab my moms optimus one and go find a windows store. I would really like a new lumia
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Its awesome, I haven't used mine in three days trying to get a feel for MeeGo. I'm pretty sure I'm having withdrawals.
I 'll never get a windoze phone or laptop even if they pay me, that's for sure.
US only..dang. Woulda totally loved to walk away with a free laptop. Free money!
Can't say they aren't trying.
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I live near one MS Store, look like it is time to have a new laptop since i have a Windows Phone also, lol.
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So basically you bring your phone and have it run similar tasks to a Windows Phone. If your Phone is faster, then you win a laptop. If you lose you get to trade in you slower phone for a new Windows 7 Lumia Phone. I could see this go two ways... One some one gets a list of what MS plans to have the phones doand have a specialized ROM that can accomplish those tasks quickly. The phone would also likely be overclocked to the brink. I'm not saying Android Phones are weak, I love my G2x(rooted, OCed to 1.4Ghz) , but in some things my Quantum is quicker at. That's despite only being a single core running at 1Ghz.
The other side, is to bring a "ringer" phone (geddit?) like an old HTC Hero or an LG Optimus V...have it lose and walk out with a nice Windows Phone.
I like Windows Phone 7, the interface is clean and quick, like a nicer version of iOS. But the AppStore is an abomination. I constantly Cross shop Apps across my iPhone4, G2x and Quantum and sometimes could justify getting the same app across them because of sales or it's available for free on one platform or the other. But when I turn to the Live Marketplace, it's like walking through a mall that only has 1/3 of it's spaces leased out and the places that ARE there are selling stuff at twice the price you can get from another mall across town. Angry Birds for example is available for Free or $1.00 on iOS or Android, on WP7 it's $3. I'm going to tell you...the WP7 version is not 3x better than the iOS or Android version. In fact the Android Version will scale up for tablet screens and look good doing it. The iOS(phone) version can be stretched, but it looks less sharp. I digress....It's a a neat idea for a promotion, but I wish WP7 had a more customer friendly prices.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/03/23/windows.phone.speed.contest.gives.free.devices/
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The 5 challenges are clearly listed in the rules, per official link below.
http://content.microsoftstore.com/store/smokedbywindowsphone/rules
You have 4 days left to make it to a MS store. The ONLY phones it states are NOT included happen to not be " phones " but the Nokia 800 bundles" I would ask for a Lumia 900 for sure...
Edit: Only 10 prizes per Microsoft store. So ~180 prizes total nationwide. That's ~$180,000 for a pretty impressive commercial.
Seed 2.0 said:
You have 4 days left to make it to a MS store. The ONLY phones it states are NOT included happen to not be " phones " but the Nokia 800 bundles" I would ask for a Lumia 900 for sure...
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Nokia Lumia 900 is not available in the US and the Lumia 800 is only available in the bundle.
I did this today. Ended up trading a Palm Treo for a HTC Titan.
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Too bad they're relying on social networking for the contest tasks. Not everyone cares about facebook or tweeting.
I'm sure they're going to give away quite a few.
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looking up local restaurants is social networking? dude go read the list of challenges in the official rules, its not all about social networking
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I'm browsing mobile, and this is the only mention of typical challenges listed:
" Microsoft typically in the challenges, as they play to the phone's strong points of unified social and media hubs as well as specific features like live tiles and Local Scout point-of-interest finding. The company does occasionally lose, however, and Electronista saw a scoreboard at Mobile World Congress where Android and iPhone users had occasionally tied or beaten Windows Phone."
Please post a direct link if you have a better description of the typical challenge.
Microsoft have already been caught cheating:
http://skattertech.com/2012/03/i-won-the-windows-phone-challenge-but-lost-just-because/
Sounds like this store don't have any laptops to give away, and were assuming they'd win all challenges..?
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Alright folks lets get this straight..
Although Microsoft improved their hardware and software people are not going for windows phone very much. But whats the reason? its pretty simple:
People want APPS not just apps, but whats the difference?
We see Microsoft advertising their software (skype, skydrive etc) all the time but with the iphone in front of it, there is no sign of supporting their own ecosystem!!!!
The truth is hard but people want official apps, good lookin games and everything that iphone and android has. Sure windows phone is pretty fast in bringing their OS forward in comparison to iOS back in the days BUT we dont live in those times anymore, there is too much competition. What can we do to make this understand the people from Microsoft? What are your thoughts about this? Dont get me wrong i love the OS and my HD7 but we have to see bigger improvements!
I actually think that if MS were to tie Google services in a bit tighter (counter-productive to Bing, I know) they'd see a wider adoption.
WP7 is at a disadvantage as Android and iOS had time to 'mature' in the market and get the userbase using their respective services before the WP alternative even existed. I know personally, I migrated away from MS services like Hotmail once I stopped using WinMo 6.
Without support for competitors services, there's not even an inclination to 'jump ship' and experience the other side. I enjoy using WP7 a lot - there's no more fluid experience on the market today. But because I can't properly use all my (now Google) services, I can never daily drive it.
yes thats also a good point! if they would work together with google in "peace" users would be more thankful. In europe bing is useless to be honest
Years and years of dogma like blue screen of death follows them.
Years of... *shudder*... windows mobile. That was an extremely extremely niche platform. iPhone-type users (their new target) ran away screaming.
The Lumia 900 should've been the device that launched the whole thing. Not one that came out 1.5 years after, and that followed it's little brother. 800 first? So people see it, aren't impressed, then see an ad for the 900... which is indistinguishable to people (present company excepted of course). It's just been ****ty luck and history mixed with bad marketing decisions.
Its Microsoft’s own fault things are the way they are. With Windows Mobile they didn't consider the phone market to serious until they saw Apples success but then they still came late to the game because instead of making Windows Mobile better they decided they would scrap it and come up with something new; only thing was that even though Windows Phone is faster and doesn’t freeze as much, they took away all features and functionality that people were used to. With Microsoft being so busy trying to be like Apple, Android took advantage of that; they knew that people didn't want a locked down OS. It is a shame that I have to hack, mod and flash my phone to have simple stuff like BT file transfer, video MMS, and a lot of other simple stuff that's avilabe for other phone OS's out there. I hope they don't screw up Windows Phone 8 like they did with Windows Phone 7.
I'm not at all worried about it. What you're seeing is the calm before the storm. When Windows 8 launches, Metro will be the new UI seen in every corner of the globe. The attention it will draw will bring more attention to Windows Phone--probably 8--at the same time. In the same launch window, and with the Windows Phone 8 OS, we'll finally see WP devices get hardware parity with Android devices, supporting multiple cores and large quantities of memory.
SkyDrive and Live Apps services are evolving week by week and making tremendous strides in a very short span of time. We're already using the SkyDrive app on current desktops and laptops, making it easy to move important files to Windows 8, and use documents across all our Microsoft connected devices.
It's correct to say that Windows Phone's struggles have all been Microsoft's own fault for lollygagging in the marketplace. There's no denying that, Microsoft screwed up. But they're heading in the right direction now, and it's only a matter of time before things turn around
I would say with market share that has doubled in the first quarter of 2012 in the USA and market share going up all around the world, that for a new ecosystem in the mobile world it is actually doing fairly well. With WP8 just around the corner and it being able to support much better hardware and screens and more customisation I would say that number will start to go up even quicker, it will be the 3rd ecosystem for sure fairly soon, It may even jump to 2 in certain countries around the world.
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Alright folks lets get this straight..
Although Microsoft improved their hardware and software people are not going for windows phone very much.
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We need to see Q2 global sales. I haven't bought a smartphone in YEARS and I finally jumped on the Windows Phone/Nokia bandwagon.
bassembrace said:
The truth is hard but people want official apps, good lookin games and everything that iphone and android has.
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Maybe. Statistics have shown most apps are never used a couple of weeks after they are downloaded. The ridiculous app numbers quoted for iOS are pointless. The vast majority of them, 99%, have zero utility for me.
bassembrace said:
Sure windows phone is pretty fast in bringing their OS forward in comparison to iOS back in the days BUT we dont live in those times anymore, there is too much competition. What can we do to make this understand the people from Microsoft? What are your thoughts about this? Dont get me wrong i love the OS and my HD7 but we have to see bigger improvements!
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Marketing.
Beta was better than VHS. VHS won. The sheeple don't care about quality. It's not a case of "if you build it they will come." It is a case of "if you market it they will come." Anyone that holds a Lumia 900 up next to ANY iPhone and determines the iPhone is better is insane. Girlfriend has iPhone 4S. She saw my Lumia 900. She wanted one. Simple as that. You add in the fact the Lumia was FREE for weeks and you really need your head examined if you don't give it serious consideration. FREE Nokia drive?! Same GF had to pay $40.00 for Garmin app for a recent trip. That's $40 more than I paid for my phone and FREE nokia drive. Do NOT get me started on LTE.
The best does not always win. I just want three strong ecosystems competing. Watch what happens. iPhone 5 gonna come out with much larger screen. If not they are going to look silly next to Lumia 900 and Samsung Note. Samsung Note is redonkulous.
jasongw said:
I'm not at all worried about it. What you're seeing is the calm before the storm. When Windows 8 launches, Metro will be the new UI seen in every corner of the globe. The attention it will draw will bring more attention to Windows Phone--probably 8--at the same time. In the same launch window, and with the Windows Phone 8 OS, we'll finally see WP devices get hardware parity with Android devices, supporting multiple cores and large quantities of memory.
SkyDrive and Live Apps services are evolving week by week and making tremendous strides in a very short span of time. We're already using the SkyDrive app on current desktops and laptops, making it easy to move important files to Windows 8, and use documents across all our Microsoft connected devices.
It's correct to say that Windows Phone's struggles have all been Microsoft's own fault for lollygagging in the marketplace. There's no denying that, Microsoft screwed up. But they're heading in the right direction now, and it's only a matter of time before things turn around
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I hope your right and I also hope no more of this Apple style locked down crap either. What MS has failed to remember is that WM had a very faithful following because it was way better and user friendly than the iCrap.
Not another one. Dig up threads from 2 years ago, and you'll see people with the exact same arguments.
Either way I look forward to BB and WP8.
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sure haven't said:
Years and years of dogma like blue screen of death follows them.
Years of... *shudder*... windows mobile. That was an extremely extremely niche platform. iPhone-type users (their new target) ran away screaming.
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Let me get this laid out so I can understand:
Why is Windows Phone not doing well?
"Years and years of dogma like blue screen of death follows them."
- So then why is Windows 7, the OS that actually is in the exact same product space, doing fantastically well?
Honestly, guys, if an argument has to be made there really needs to be some kind of logical progression to it.
Windows Phone is not doing well like every single OS not called "Android" or "iOS" because those are the most dominant OSes right now. Why are they dominant? Because Apple recreated the whole thumb optimized, mass-market smartphone experience and Google quickly followed suit. Everyone else (BB OS, Palm, Symbian, WinMo) were all caught napping and look are where they are now. When you bring Microsoft unique reasons you are failing to explain why RIM is also slowly dying as well. why Nokia killed off Symbian. Why WebOS could not make it.
I wish someone would put a sticky stating exactly why Windows Phone has such a low marketshare right now:
Android and iOs have the lion's share of the market. Either an iPhone or one of the hundreds of Android phones meet or exceed the average user's needs in a smartphone. There is no compelling reason right now for the average consumer to leave iOS or Android and go to Windows Phone.
There really is no mystery behind it. It is plain and simple. A co-worker just got a Samsung Focus used and his first reaction was "wow this thing is fast and smooth." I told him amazing too on a single core cpu. He has played with his share of Android phones. He then went on to curse having to use Zune to do his file management. lol.
But there is nothing really to dwell on. Vet is right; this topic is past being a dead horse. The Lumia 900 gave a little glimmer of something that would compel some people to switch, but there needs to be more handsets, features, and apps. And then they will come over. And that will take time.
Lets hope they will do it! I remember when i got my hd7 my friends were like "whoaaa, you have windows phone!!" but now after they used my phone a few times theyre like "oh you still have this phone?" and i say yes because i love it, i love the OS and even the HD7 hardware but you cant do so much withouth the "exclusive" apps. I hope MCSFT get the most important cross platform apps to windows phone and dont scr** them up, like skype with no notification and background system or the new app viber without VOIP
Window mobile phone not going down at all. I honestly like what Microsoft's doing. There not pushing pointless apps out, there not shipping out phones that's loading with battery killing/memory hog apps.
Only thing that there behind in and my opinion is the build quality. 8G of memory no micro SD card slot! That's kills a perfect phone! If Ur going to do that - Microsoft, make an 8G, 16G, 32G, and 64G version
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So if all of this is true why do they market Windows Phone to not be in beta?
Because even in this, "beta" of sorts it runs smoother and is a better device than the competition.
Google has been wildly successful with Android (at least in terms of units) because Android was built to reduce friction between all sides of the market. The extreme flexibility of Android ‘bows down’ to the device manufactures AND the carriers. It enabled device manufactures to do what they do best (build lots of devices). It enabled carriers to do what they do best (market lots of devices). It enabled users tons of choice. My hypothesis is that it also enables too much fragmentation that hurts developers will eventually drive end users nuts.
With Windows Phone Microsoft has taken a different approach by putting the end user experience above all else. By focusing on delivering a consistent, well designed (and therefore less flexible) user experience WP raises its middle finger at both the device manufacturers and mobile carriers. WP says “here’s the hardware spec you shalt use” (to the device manufacturers). And it says “Here’s how it will be updated” (to the carriers).
Source: http://ceklog.kindel.com/2011/12/26/windows-phone-is-superior-why-hasnt-it-taken-off/
z33dev33l said:
Because even in this, "beta" of sorts it runs smoother and is a better device than the competition.
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So true! I was playing with the lumia 710 at an T-Mobile kiosk at the mall, and i fell in love. I wanted to leave my phone there and run away with the 710.
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magicsquid said:
Google has been wildly successful with Android (at least in terms of units) because Android was built to reduce friction between all sides of the market. The extreme flexibility of Android ‘bows down’ to the device manufactures AND the carriers. It enabled device manufactures to do what they do best (build lots of devices). It enabled carriers to do what they do best (market lots of devices). It enabled users tons of choice. My hypothesis is that it also enables too much fragmentation that hurts developers will eventually drive end users nuts.
With Windows Phone Microsoft has taken a different approach by putting the end user experience above all else. By focusing on delivering a consistent, well designed (and therefore less flexible) user experience WP raises its middle finger at both the device manufacturers and mobile carriers. WP says “here’s the hardware spec you shalt use” (to the device manufacturers). And it says “Here’s how it will be updated” (to the carriers).
Source: http://ceklog.kindel.com/2011/12/26/windows-phone-is-superior-why-hasnt-it-taken-off/
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Great post is great.
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nicksti said:
Let me get this laid out so I can understand:
Why is Windows Phone not doing well?
"Years and years of dogma like blue screen of death follows them."
- So then why is Windows 7, the OS that actually is in the exact same product space, doing fantastically well?
Honestly, guys, if an argument has to be made there really needs to be some kind of logical progression to it.
Windows Phone is not doing well like every single OS not called "Android" or "iOS" because those are the most dominant OSes right now. Why are they dominant? Because Apple recreated the whole thumb optimized, mass-market smartphone experience and Google quickly followed suit. Everyone else (BB OS, Palm, Symbian, WinMo) were all caught napping and look are where they are now. When you bring Microsoft unique reasons you are failing to explain why RIM is also slowly dying as well. why Nokia killed off Symbian. Why WebOS could not make it.
I wish someone would put a sticky stating exactly why Windows Phone has such a low marketshare right now:
Android and iOs have the lion's share of the market. Either an iPhone or one of the hundreds of Android phones meet or exceed the average user's needs in a smartphone. There is no compelling reason right now for the average consumer to leave iOS or Android and go to Windows Phone.
There really is no mystery behind it. It is plain and simple. A co-worker just got a Samsung Focus used and his first reaction was "wow this thing is fast and smooth." I told him amazing too on a single core cpu. He has played with his share of Android phones. He then went on to curse having to use Zune to do his file management. lol.
But there is nothing really to dwell on. Vet is right; this topic is past being a dead horse. The Lumia 900 gave a little glimmer of something that would compel some people to switch, but there needs to be more handsets, features, and apps. And then they will come over. And that will take time.
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They still don't get it. 2 years and they don't get it.
BTW the new app deal by Nokia is horrible. MS should be doing it for the entire platform not just for Nokia. Some apps will be exclusive until 2013.
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vetvito said:
Not another one. Dig up threads from 2 years ago, and you'll see people with the exact same arguments.
Either way I look forward to BB and WP8.
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+1 ...Yes ..another one !!!
Get a life m8's No its not going down ..