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First let me apologize for the title of this thread, I really couldn't resist. I just bought a i-mate jasjam and have spent the last several days reading these forums, the wiki, and all the other places that clicking things here will take you. I want to say right out that EVERYTHING I know about the Hermes I learned from this site, and that I am a complete beginner, and please do flame away if i am wrong. I'd rather get insulted online than have a brick in my pocket.
THe one thing that there isn't in the wiki (that I found anyway) is a current, step by step for total noobies like me who don't know what to do first and get scared by dealing with more than three file types in one sitting, that uses the SD card method. It seems that the SD method is faster, easier (especially if you run Vista), and even a little safer that the "old school" RUU method.
Soooo, I'd like to write a new wiki page to this effect, and am more than happy to put in screenshots, links, host file downloads, etc. What i'd REALLY appreciate is if you senior types could take a look at this simple outline and tell me if there is something drastically wrong with it. After a good schooling I'll post a complete article with more copied info from the threads and complete sentences and punctuation and stuff.
PROPOSED "DAY-ONE, JUST OUT OF THE BOX CAN"T WAIT TO" UPGRADE
1.enter bootloader mode to check sp version
2.format an SD card to FAT32, checking card integrity and fixing errors
3.Use Winar to Extract the .NHB file from Hard-SP-v7.zip, transfer to SD card with card reader and rename to HERMIMG.NHB
4.put the card in the phone and enter the bootloader by pressing side OK, Power, and soft reset button (with stylus). Once in bootloader mode accept the upgrade
This safe-nates things up, and CID unlocks the phone, right?
5.re-format SD card to FAT32, checking card integrity and fixing errors
6. Use WinRar to Extract the .NBH from HERM_Radinly_1.41.00.10_CustomRUU, transfer it to the SD card and rename it HERMIMG.NBH
7. put the card in the phone and enter the bootloader by pressing side OK, Power, and soft reset button (with stylus). Once in bootloader mode accept the upgrade
8. check the radio version in system info
9. re-format the SD card for FAT32, checking integrity and fixing errors
10. Use WinRar to Extract the .NBH from WM6 ROM of choice, transfer it to SD card and rename HERMIMG.NBH
11. Put the card in phone and enter the bootloader mode as above, when in bootloader accept the upgrade. Follow instructions from mrvanx for activesync
12. transfer my CAB files for applications to (Temp?) folder on card and then run each of them to install my apps (Skype, CeStar,TengoThumb,etc.)
Does this sound about right? Thoughts? Flames?
Thanks to all for such fantastic work, donations on the way for all who wrote files I have downloaded over the past few days, you guys rock!
whats with the SD card upgrading?
you can run HardSPL by itself, you dont have to extract and put the nbh file on ur storage card.. unneccesarry steps if you ask me..
Midget_1990 said:
whats with the SD card upgrading?
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Well, I run Vista, and I like the idea of not having to fiddle with the drivers in order to do RUU, and I saw a few posts that some people had difficulty getting things to work with Vista. Also, posts have led me to beleive that it is faster to do it this way, which would lead to less chances of things going wrong (it's really hard to make Vista stop doing things in the background all the time). Also, there are already really awesome guides for doing it the RUU way, but not one for a complete SPL/Radio/ROM upgrade using this method, I think it appeals to a lot of people, including the dreaded Mac user. If it's not actually a good way please do explain, and finally, to me it just seems plain easier. I've only found a few posts that had troubles with the method and dozens that praised it. thanks for replying!!
Madcap, thanks for the input, I was going for continuity but I take your advice, keep 'em coming!!!
oh...you didn't mention Vista in your original thread.. lol .. best advice I can give you ... Throw vista in the trash.
Madcap180 said:
oh...you didn't mention Vista in your original thread.. lol .. best advice I can give you ... Throw vista in the trash.
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Yep, I ll drink to that
ugh .. u mentioned the D work.. great.. now I'm going to relapse..
Step 4 does not CID unlock the device. It looks like it just installs Hard SPL which will allow the user to recover from a bad radio flash.
Of course this should not matter as there really isn't a need to CID unlock any more (unless you want to unlock/unhide your EXT ROM)
HardSPL just makes your phone Temporary superCID right or something to that effect.
Zzan said:
Step 4 does not CID unlock the device. It looks like it just installs Hard SPL which will allow the user to recover from a bad radio flash.
Of course this should not matter as there really isn't a need to CID unlock any more (unless you want to unlock/unhide your EXT ROM)
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Cool, it was my understanding that Hard SPL temporarily makes you super CID (as Madcap said) allowing you to flash on any ROM you want, for all intents and purposes is this not pretty much the same thing as unlocking? Not arguing, just trying to clarify. A lot of noobs know that CID is an issue and that they need to disable it somehow when they flash......
Please keep comments coming,Thanks!!!!
P.S. MOD, in my sleep addledness I think I posted this in the wrong place, should it be moved to the UPGRADE forum? THANKS!!
P.P.S. Drinking is the only way I can tolerate having a Vista machine, we all were so happy about getting our new laptops this year, and then we turned them on....it's like getting a christmas present in the shape of a new bicycle, but when you tear off the wrapping paper there's really a tetanus shot inside.
SUCCESS!!
I followed the OP steps (with very minor modification) and was able to go from a completely new, out of the box, never even put in a sim card phone to HardSP-V7, upgraded radio, new WM6 ROM (Schaps, this ROM is awesome, thanks!!!). All without using a cable or upgrading any drivers. From beginning of first download to totally upgraded was one hour. Why anyone would ever do this the old-fashioned way is beyond me, especially if you are running Vista. I'm making a tutorial and have collected the few little things you need to do this and will add a wiki article with pics ASAP.
Thanks to everyone for all the great info and hard work here, a complete noob like me can go from 0-60 entirely by reading this site. I am loving this phone more by the minute!!
A noob who has read the posts and wiki, and then created and tested a step by step routine for others like himself in order to address something that the wiki doesn't.
A fine example that a lot of others should note.
crazyC said:
A noob who has read the posts and wiki, and then created and tested a step by step routine for others like himself in order to address something that the wiki doesn't.
A fine example that a lot of others should note.
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Yes only thing left is posting in the Hermes Upgrade forum.. ;-)
jompao said:
Yes only thing left is posting in the Hermes Upgrade forum.. ;-)
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Yeah, i deserved that
mlalahoi said:
Cool, it was my understanding that Hard SPL
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P.P.S. Drinking is the only way I can tolerate having a Vista machine, we all were so happy about getting our new laptops this year, and then we turned them on....it's like getting a christmas present in the shape of a new bicycle, but when you tear off the wrapping paper there's really a tetanus shot inside.
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Sorry man, I just couldn't help myself. I am in love with Vista. No problems whatsoever with it. Have had it installed since it came out and never had to re-install. Speed is the same as when I installed it. Can't say that for XP! LOL. I forget how many times I had to install that piece of........................
LOL
p.s no flames........please.
I love Vista. Its given my two year old laptop a new lease of life.
Hi mlalahoi,
I am getting a lot of issues after installing CE-Start. Played virtually with every WM 6 ROM arround and still experiencing freezing.
Have run Shadow and LVSW without CE-Start for couple of days and both ROMs was very stable and fast. After CE-Start lot of problems.
Will be nice to hear your experience with the Chinese characters
crazyC said:
A noob who has read the posts and wiki, and then created and tested a step by step routine for others like himself in order to address something that the wiki doesn't.
A fine example that a lot of others should note.
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I'm drinking to that CrazyC - my first couple of posts made me look a total ARSE (But I've learned loads since then...Honest)
marttin said:
Hi mlalahoi,
I am getting a lot of issues after installing CE-Start. Played virtually with every WM 6 ROM arround and still experiencing freezing.
Have run Shadow and LVSW without CE-Start for couple of days and both ROMs was very stable and fast. After CE-Start lot of problems.
Will be nice to hear your experience with the Chinese characters
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Did you download the 2.8 Suite from the mobem website here AND use thier installer to install TO THE PHONE (install to SD doesn't work)?
I had similar problems when I went through the process of getting my hermes to be dual English and Chinese. THe first time I tried to manually install some cab files I found on a chines forum somewhere, totally jerked my normally very good Shaps ROM. I ended up having to do a hard reset, trying to uninstall the cabs just caused an unrecoverable hang. Make sure you use the official, latest install program and install to the phone, mines been flawless ever since.
Without registering you don't get the dictionary, but you can get a really good free version of CEDICT for mobiles here, it allows you to search by pinyin w/wo tones, english, or chinese characters. If you have trouble getting it to copy-paste between other apps try this app from the Wiki.
I have a collection of good ppc Chinese learning tools, pm me if you want to set up a file transfer, and do check out www.mandarintools.com for all your CHinese computing needs, no affiliation, just a great site.
Hi mlalahoi,
Thanks for the links! Actually I was using all the time v2.8 of Ce-Star, including the original installer - never used cabs to install. I found that "my" version of Ce-Star package is 6KB less than the one you recomended - here might be the problem. During the weekend will flash a new Rom and will play with the "new" Ce-Star 2.8 -- hope it will rock
I am using the ppc version of 金山 (PowerWord) and it serves me well. My Chinese characters needs are very simple ones - to be able to reed text and e-mails in Chinese, and rarely to answer using characters.
Will send you feedback about stability of the ROMs with "new" Ce-Star
hi how can i convert haret version to nand version.. thx
Michga said:
hi how can i convert haret version to nand version.. thx
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643504
i dont know what you mean. here i didnt find any manual how to convert it (sry if im blind)
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i dont know what you mean. here i didnt find any manual how to convert it (sry if im blind)
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what do u mean convert. u can flash and boot directly into Nand using the NBH file from the link in that Forum
Perhaps he wants to revert system and data image he already have into NAND
i want convert this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598610 or this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572903 to NAND because i think its best rom and i dont want use windows (F*CK Microsoft)
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i want convert this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598610 or this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572903 to NAND because i think its best rom and i dont want use windows...
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This is my understanding from observation only. Please let me know if I'm wrong.
Poly's build and KaiserDroid both use an installer from boot to setup the filesystem, extract files where they need to be, etc.
Because of this installer that starts from the kernel (I believe), you can easily install/write over different builds all day long whether on NAND or HaRET/MicroSD.
That Donut build 1.6 in the thread you linked does not use the installer and may not have the needed software to boot from NAND for the Kaiser.
The software needed to run from NAND is not the same as what you need from HaRET.
If the kernel was the same I would say you probably just need to create the files where they need to be or use the installer from Poly/KaiserDroid with a custom androidinstall.tar. Since they aren't I expect this will be much more difficult.
IM(humble)O Your best bet is to either:
-- Learn about the flashing process, how NBH's work, etc. and what android requires to boot on Kaiser (or what the Kaiser requires to boot android )
and then compile your own build of it (going to take programming knowledge on your part)
-- Ask the chef who made that ROM if they can make a copy of it that runs on NAND (hopefully they are still developing the ROM and interested and have the time and energy to do so)
-- Use one of the other builds prepared for NAND already (ie: Poly, KaiserDroid, etc)
I think your best bet right now is to just go for one of the Builds that can safely use NAND. I havent tried the other builds cause Poly is def the cooooooooollest :-D
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I think your best bet right now is to just go for one of the Builds that can safely use NAND. I havent tried the other builds cause Poly is def the cooooooooollest :-D
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yes but im little annoyed because dont work camera.. i need camera sometimes..
For working camera + nand flashable = http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619980
Myn's Warm Donut has working camera, and I had it on Nand a few days ago, went back to polymod, because it just basically rocks, and I don't really use camera
hi guys,
im one of the many who is awaiting root.
was thinking that when i was using a hd2, android could be loaded off the sd card using haret. it could be run off nand as well, but the option of running it off the sd was available and worked quite well. i use to run it dual boot and used whichever one was more convenient for any given task in hand.
is it not possible to run a ROM off the sd card on a evo 4g?
regards,
asmd.
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hi guys,
im one of the many who is awaiting root.
was thinking that when i was using a hd2, android could be loaded off the sd card using haret. it could be run off nand as well, but the option of running it off the sd was available and worked quite well. i use to run it dual boot and used whichever one was more convenient for any given task in hand.
is it not possible to run a ROM off the sd card on a evo 4g?
regards,
asmd.
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When you say dual boot you are referring to WM6 + Android, right? When I did the same on the Touch and the Touch Pro I believe the first step was to unlock the phone. Not a bad idea though, if they can run Android on the iPod Touch why not another Android phone? I have an idle 4GB Class 10 that would work great.
Update: Searched and found a thread in the Eris forum, seems like you have to have a custom recovery installed to do it, at least for this one:
Android multi-boot on Droid Eris
It certainly could be done if someone wanted to take the time to develop the right bootloader for it. But honestly, I don't think there's enough interest. At least nobody who has the skills to do it appears to have the interest.
The epic has dual boot support makes you wonder why the Evo doesn't.
it would be great for people that want to be able to update their prl and data profile but use aosp since that functionality isn't in aosp roms yet
thank you for this
ok so im not new to android but im new to the g2
so im testing all the radios - thanks to all the help i got from xda member!
but im still trying to find the best spl
so i gather the desire hboot partitions more ram is this correct?
also what are the mtd partitions for the g2/desirez ?
also are there any opportunities for custom mtd partitions?
if anyone can help me on these i would really appreciate some answers, ive been searching for weeks but just cant get a straight answer. ive pm'd a couple of dev on this but havent gotten a straight answer yet so i figure ill throw this out to the xda public again!
well thanks in advance
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ok so im not new to android but im new to the g2
so im testing all the radios - thanks to all the help i got from xda member!
but im still trying to find the best spl
so i gather the desire hboot partitions more ram is this correct?
also what are the mtd partitions for the g2/desirez ?
also are there any opportunities for custom mtd partitions?
if anyone can help me on these i would really appreciate some answers, ive been searching for weeks but just cant get a straight answer. ive pm'd a couple of dev on this but havent gotten a straight answer yet so i figure ill throw this out to the xda public again!
well thanks in advance
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The DZ hboot allocates more memory to /system than does the G2 hboot. The DZ has the same amount of RAM as the G2. If you've got a G2 and you want to try a Sense ROM you'll need to flash the DZ hboot which you can find here: http://www.virtuousrom.com/2011/06/t-mobile-g2-users-migrating-to-desirez.html
so the only perk may be the having a larger system allocation. that brings me to having the ability to create my own mtd partitions custom to whatever rom i plan on using at the time. i checked through firerats and lbcoders scrips and it seems it is possible for the g2 and this was confirmed to be by another dev.
so has anyone been able to find a way for cmtd?
also what are the mtd partitions for the g2/desirez?
Yeah, that's about the only difference... DZ hboot adds about 130 MB to the /system from /data. I believe it also changes the /cache partition slightly as well. You know, I've never heard of anyone customizing their partitions are on G2/DZ, but I can't speak to whether it's possible... like you, I've read about it being done on other devices, but not ours.
i used to do it all the time on my g1 due to the lack of memory. i loved having the option to customize it (thats what android is all about) id like to do it with my g2 although it is not as necessary but it would be nice. especially if i can move the cache and dalvik cache to my sd card leaving a ton of internal memory.
i hope to find someone who can help point me in the right direction to make this all work out, still waiting for a couple replies to pms so maybe i can get lucky
thanks anyhow
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i used to do it all the time on my g1 due to the lack of memory. i loved having the option to customize it (thats what android is all about) id like to do it with my g2 although it is not as necessary but it would be nice. especially if i can move the cache and dalvik cache to my sd card leaving a ton of internal memory.
i hope to find someone who can help point me in the right direction to make this all work out, still waiting for a couple replies to pms so maybe i can get lucky
thanks anyhow
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Yeah, no problem. I'm sure another user will have a more thorough answer for you. I can understand how the ability to divide up memory would be really important on a device like the G1. For me, I keep my phone super light, I'm got space to burn. Good luck.
I would imagine that have any cache on your sdcard would slow you down a LOT? Also have you checked out the various swap partition guides out there. Its not exactly what you looking for but it might help? 4ext allows you to reformat your partitions to ext4 but I never looked for anyway to change the size. This might be possible with that? I hope my post was not a waste of time as I don't have an answer for you but hopefully pointed you in the right directions. Good luck let me know how it turns out. I'm curious to know how it will affect performance.
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Yeah swap is different, my main reason is to not waste space, I find it more efficient when a rom is let's say 74mb to have the system partion 76mb not 100. This leaves more room for internal memory. Also if the system partition is 100 and the rom is 110 then I can't use it. As for cache on the sd not too worried about this except when you have a cache of 30+ mb then that is unnecessary and could easily leave more room for internal memory. So my goal is to just map my mtd in a way that makes sence.
Thanks for all your responses I hope I can find an answer soon!
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Hi,
I've done a search and apologies I can't find the answer to this one.
I'm running the excellent Android Revolution 6.3.1 ROM.
How do I change the size of the installed System ROM partition versus the Internal partition (the latter is where you install apps that aren't stored on your SD card)?
If the procedure differs depending on ROM just let me know - then I'll be happy to re-post in the Android Revolution Development thread.
I really need to do this. I've plenty of space on the System ROM partition as I've uninstalled system apps I didn't want, such as HTC's weather stuff (prefer Beautiful Widgets for weather). However, I'm running low on my Internal phone's space and microSD card.
It's appreciated I can just convert an app to be stored on the System ROM partition; but doing so means my Titanium backup procedure won't be as efficient. I could explain what I mean but hopefully that's not necessary!
I'll be sure to thank any reply.
Cheers.
I don't think there's a way, and even if there is, it's too dangerous...
very possible, but also not so easy. it has been done and is used on desire and wildfire, and they call it custom mtd partitions. it contains 2 scripts you flash through recovery and requires full phone format except 4 sd. DO NOT FLASH THOSE ON DHD, im pretty sure it will mess something up. the scripts should be modded to work with dhd. i have no idea how to do that
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Thank you both.
I'm really surprised this isn't something that's done to the point the clever people have created a tool for the DHD. I mean, everyone who uses custom ROMs tweaks things and will find themselves removing unnecessary system apks.
I'm guessing it's not terribly easy because the partition allocation is perhaps set by the hboot version, and the scripts above maybe mod that. I may throw this question to the Android Revolution thread.
Cheers again, and if anyone has any suggestions please fire away!
maybe because dhd has a pretty large internal storage already...
another thing is that sense roms use up most of system partition and its not worth the hussle to add 100-150 mb to 1.2 gb. a bit different story if you go aosp
It's not impossible. The point is the risk is to big, messing with partitions is one of the easiest ways to brick your phone, and DHD already has quite enough of storage space...
if im not mistaken bricking is unlikely because you dont touch hboot or radio. i was using this on wildfire and it worked great. the risk as far as i can understand is loosing your partition info resulting in complete data loss(internal). could be wrong though...
Remember CWM 3.0.2.6? If you tried to format an sd-ext partition with it, an error in the code made it modify internal partitions and bricked many phones... If something goes wrong you can't reason with your device "don't mess up my hboot, only system and data", they are still on the same memory chip...
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not in detail, but i do remember the problem with cwm, but not ehat it was.
i didnt say it is impossible, but unlikely. and maybe im under the influence of all the "bricks" from failed rooting with aahk. a lot of people just doesnt seem to understand what brick means.
and about them being on the same chip, doesnt really matter too much because your not reffering to phisical but logical adresess. if you can explain to me a bit more about those things id be really grateful, cause its allways nice to learn something new.
i do agree that playing with lower level stuff such as this increases the risk of bricking if you dont know exactly what you are doing or make mistakes. thats why i dont mess with it myself.
original thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7061471
I'm not an expert on this, I'm just posting my opinions based on mine and other people's experience.
Once I made a horrible mistake of using the built-in Windows partitioning tool for some partition resizing. End result: Partitions overlaping, luckily no data loss, but un-mountable/invisible, managed to get my data out with linux, and even that wasn't easy. However, the OP from the thread you posted says that it can't really go wrong, and even if it does, it's fixable with fastboot, can't argue with that, I guess he knows what he's doing. I quite possibly could be wrong, and unfortunately, don't have time right now to research this, but I think that hboot is on the same memory chip as the other partitions, which leads to the partition table being there also, so if you mess up the partition table, you may end up not being able to boot to hboot, therefore bricking your phone.
Once again, this is my understanding of things, if you have time to do some research to confirm it or prove me wrong, please post it here, I'd like to widen mu knowledge too.
Thanks gain everyone for your input. It's a bit disappointing there's been no tool made to do this with our phone or for a particular ROM, but I can't complain since I wouldn't know how to do it myself!
I guess no one saw the need for it, but we got a nice little discussion going on right here. Do some research, jump in, and maybe some day you will make it yourself...
to be honest i didnt read the thread carefully, i only skimmed through since i dont need extra space. what i was saying was only my understanding of things and what o remembered from using it on my wildfire. but, if i remembered correctly, in the thread i posted, op also says that theoretically it should work on multiple devices because the script reads the needed info from the phone. and to clarify on the spot, nobody should try this based on my sometimes inacurate memory. from the learning point of wiew, im interested in learning and thats why i post (or read) here might give it a shot one day when im bored, but first i need to read that thread carefully to better understand how and what it does