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[Q] Android 2.3 for desire

Hi
Does anyone know if android 2.3 is arriving on the HTC Desire?
if it does when?
-Frederik Thorsted

Within next few weeks, , hopefully before x-mas

Thank you very much

Maybe sooner if someone does a quick port of the sdk emulator image

oldsoulsong said:
Maybe sooner if someone does a quick port of the sdk emulator image
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Sources will be most likely released before a "quick port" of sdk emulator image.

will it be an official update?

jazha said:
Within next few weeks, , hopefully before x-mas
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Gingerbread ROM will be released within two weeks for the Nexus One..I'm sure that someone of our fine devs will port it to the Desire..But so far HTC made no announcements regarding an official Gingerbread update for us.. Anyway, -my beloved developers ( )- some guys have uploaded some gingerbread stuff ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863317 ) but I dont really know what this is..Will we get a custom ginger anytime soon?

so we still dont know if desire will get gingerbread officially from HTC??

unfortunately the desire won't recieve the official release...market reason...

And where did you get this information? Unless you can provide a source nothing is definite yet

matt95 said:
unfortunately the desire won't recieve the official release...market reason...
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bit of a bold statement.
seeing as the nexus 1 and nexus s cpu speed is the same spec i see no reason why HTC will not upgrade at some point the 3 desire phones as these are there flagships. by not upgrading the standard desire they risk losing people who must have '2.3' to another brand. My view is in early 2011 they will roll this update out to all 3 and also bring the standard desire up to the HD and Z in sense terms. i believe they held this off for marketing reasons. Juts my view mind.

bobbysixkiller said:
bit of a bold statement.
seeing as the nexus 1 and nexus s cpu speed is the same spec i see no reason why HTC will not upgrade at some point the 3 desire phones as these are there flagships. by not upgrading the standard desire they risk losing people who must have '2.3' to another brand. My view is in early 2011 they will roll this update out to all 3 and also bring the standard desire up to the HD and Z in sense terms. i believe they held this off for marketing reasons. Juts my view mind.
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My thoughts exactly, if not, someone will eventually port .

Yes.. My feeling is that the desire will get the new Sense along with Gingerbread release.
Well.. even if they dont release it officially for Desire, they will have to release it anyway for the Z/HD and our mods can port it in no time. Our Desires dont have the hardware limitation (especially internal storage with A2SD/D2SD). Then we desire users can flash those roms and show the finger to HTC...
We have the mods... they are our gods!!

Market reason?
With the 2 years warranty there must be not only assistance in case of broken phone, but also the confirmation of continous upgrading with new software, bugfix until the 2 years are passed and 'til the phone risk not to support th upgrading.
This should be the real 2 year warranty so much declared in the instructions and things like that

bobbysixkiller said:
bit of a bold statement.
seeing as the nexus 1 and nexus s cpu speed is the same spec i see no reason why HTC will not upgrade at some point the 3 desire phones as these are there flagships. by not upgrading the standard desire they risk losing people who must have '2.3' to another brand. My view is in early 2011 they will roll this update out to all 3 and also bring the standard desire up to the HD and Z in sense terms. i believe they held this off for marketing reasons. Juts my view mind.
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according to an article I read on pocketnow, HTC comes out with 2.3 in March of 2011.

EddyOS said:
And where did you get this information? Unless you can provide a source nothing is definite yet
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my dad is the managaer of HTC italia company...he told me that...but he wasn't sure...but i hope it wll release it!!!

matt95 said:
my dad is the managaer of HTC italia company...he told me that...but he wasn't sure...but i hope it wll release it!!!
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Daniele De Grandis
Country Manager, Italy
HTC Europe Co. Ltd.
He has no child.
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alwayslearning said:
according to an article I read on pocketnow, HTC comes out with 2.3 in March of 2011.
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I hope it comes out before

well, there's still hope: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...d-android-2-3-update--913929?src=rss&attr=all
and for the "quick port", it indeed came quick: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863884

ecitron said:
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Daniele De Grandis
Country Manager, Italy
HTC Europe Co. Ltd.
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i'm joking guy...come on sorry hihi...however i hope that gingerbread will be official on our Desires too!

So when the flipside gets 2.2 OTA whenever it does..

Should I restore default apps (Like AT&T Navigator, AT&T Maps, etc) and unroot, or can we just apply OTA straight off without breaking anything?
Reason I'm wondering about this now is because I heard some of the other ATT phones are getting 2.2 released today (the 12th), some others in Canada are getting it as of last week already.

Motorola publishes their estimated upgrade dates here. The Flipside is not even listed as being in progress.
There is a stock rom available here that you can flash with RSD Lite to return your phone to stock.

marvin02 said:
Motorola publishes their estimated upgrade dates here. The Flipside is not even listed as being in progress.
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Frustrating... I hope we start to get better support for Android phones on AT&T now that Verizon has the iPhone. I feel like Android on AT&T has been intentionally nerfed so as not to compete with iPhone very much.

gongo2k1 said:
Frustrating... I hope we start to get better support for Android phones on AT&T now that Verizon has the iPhone. I feel like Android on AT&T has been intentionally nerfed so as not to compete with iPhone very much.
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It's even more frustrating knowing that Motorola created a device with the hardware spec to support 2.2 things like flash 10.1... And then sold the devices on 2.1 without plans of any kind of OTA update to froyo.

My wife's flipside got notification of update to 2.2.1 (iirc, 2.2 for sure), but she skipped it
At least I/we know an OTA to Froyo is now gonna happen.

Has HTC become Samsung? (SW Updates)

AS the title states, is HTC slowly becoming a Samsung clone, as about software updates?
I even sent a message to them 5 days ago, asking about delivery of official 2.3 and no response yet. WTF?
I bought an HTC phone (actually 3 in a row, Magic-Desire-Desire HD) cause i thought that they were much better than Samsung in support. That is why all of us bought their flagship phone.
Maybe is time to go for Atrix or Optimus 2X when they appear.

The simple answer is no, they wont.
You'll get 2.3 on your DHD eventually, just be patient! Would you rather they rush it and it be full of bugs, or they take their time and it be have less bugs?
If you want fastest updates trade DHD for Nexus S
PS - You think Samsung are bad? LG are worse!

thanks. but if Ns was available in Greece i would. The that has made me mad is that the aren't even answering at all.
CitizenLee said:
The simple answer is no, they wont.
You'll get 2.3 on your DHD eventually, just be patient! Would you rather they rush it and it be full of bugs, or they take their time and it be have less bugs?
If you want fastest updates trade DHD for Nexus S
PS - You think Samsung are bad? LG are worse!
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Google only recently released the source code, do you expect htc to port sence over night?

I don't think they should port sense overnight... but...its like nearly 2months now. What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
Added to this is that by the time they do release an update, the phones a year old, theres newer ones...you get one...then its groundhog day again. No doubt HTC have another DHD coming out soon with a front facing camera bla bla bla anyway, and also i think the reason they take so long is that its not a priority to them, their priority is investing their resources in pushing out yet newer handsets just to snare new victims..
btw for anyone, i asked HTC about an update about 2 weeks ago, they told me they wont be releasing one and to contact my network carrier...network carrier pointed me back to HTC.
anyway , rant over

chrisr27 said:
I don't think they should port sense overnight... but...its like nearly 2months now. What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
Added to this is that by the time they do release an update, the phones a year old, theres newer ones...you get one...then its groundhog day again. No doubt HTC have another DHD coming out soon with a front facing camera bla bla bla anyway, and also i think the reason they take so long is that its not a priority to them, their priority is investing their resources in pushing out yet newer handsets just to snare new victims..
btw for anyone, i asked HTC about an update about 2 weeks ago, they told me they wont be releasing one and to contact my network carrier...network carrier pointed me back to HTC.
anyway , rant over
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That's just how it works though.
You buy something and a few months later it's out of date.
It's the way of the tech world and has been for years.
There's no malice or trickery involved, it's just business.

CitizenLee said:
That's just how it works though.
You buy something and a few months later it's out of date.
It's the way of the tech world and has been for years.
There's no malice or trickery involved, it's just business.
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Maybe my insinuation of malice and trickery is a little unfair..but having said that, I guarantee if Id contacted HTC before buying the DHD in October and asked wld it get Gingerbread update they would have said 'sure, course you will, everyone gets updates'..knowing full well it wld take months and months to get the updates.
And if I'd contacted Google and said I was thinking of buying an android handest when is latest software gona be incorporated, they would have said 'we arent sure' just so I would get the DHD another registered android device for them...even though they know full well the likely release, and handsets that will release with it way in advance...so in a sense it is trickery, but guess thats business for you...neither wants to jeopardise a potential sale for their stats
so the snare is recoiled ready for the next victim

AndroHero said:
Google only recently released the source code, do you expect htc to port sence over night?
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I wonder how hard it can really be... they probably just dont have any friggen (unit/automation) tests. The API from 2.2 to 2.3 has barely changed. Imagine you had to wait for a new Ubuntu release just to get a kernel update...
Given they managed to screw up the 1.72 release and havent even uploaded the source code for that kernel, does not make me very enthusiastic about actually seeing 2.3 out anytime in the next 6-9 months.

leppie said:
I wonder how hard it can really be... they probably just dont have any friggen (unit/automation) tests. The API from 2.2 to 2.3 has barely changed. Imagine you had to wait for a new Ubuntu release just to get a kernel update...
Given they managed to screw up the 1.72 release and havent even uploaded the source code for that kernel, does not make me very enthusiastic about actually seeing 2.3 out anytime in the next 6-9 months.
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I'm sure if enough people emailed htc and quoted the gpl, htc would have to release the source, after all it states the source should be made availible on request
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chrisr27 said:
What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
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The software updates all work on about a 6 month cycle (give or take). It's made very clear from the outset that new software is in the pipelines, they just don't set a concrete date, they just simply release it when it's ready.
The same can be ready for HTC. They're actually good with a lot of their updates in comparison to a lot of manufacturers. There are a few devices which never even got an update to 1.6.
HTC will release an update when it's ready.
If you don't want to wait, install a CyanogenMod ROM.

I think other manufacturers can only learn from HTC..
for example, OTA with Froyo came to Desire in August 2010, this is some 3 months after Google released it..
DHD is still HTC's flagship and I think we will get 2.3 in some 2-3 months

Bear in mind that apart from the Nexus S no one is running an official Gingerbread build yet, so it's not as if HTC are behind the curve here so please get some perspective

Guys, it has been mentioned already but I just want to add that I have also read a report saying that 2.3 will be available in 6 months aprox. after initial release. Best strategy IMO, don't bother checking or thinking about it as it won't help and it will become obsession.

AndroHero said:
I'm sure if enough people emailed htc and quoted the gpl, htc would have to release the source, after all it states the source should be made availible on request
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To have to request the source, violates the GPL. The fact that it is not immediately available upon release also violates the GPL.

so HTC just answered to ma my email:
Thank you for contacting us
We re excited about our upcoming updates, as for the Android 2.3 update, certrainly some of our phones will be receiving this upgrade, however, for the time being, there’s no information regarding which phones will be receiving it nor the schedule of its release.
Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Amr
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Gingerbread only runs on Nexus S at the moment... You won't expect it to be here, one DHD that soon. At least wait for SGS to have it first.

A potential good news out of a bad news

According to this BBC article published today (17 May 2011) all android version with the exception of 2.3.4 version can expose personal data during the identification (Edit: Authentication) process with google services. A bad news ineed.
The good news, though, is that if this problem is publicised enough then it will force companies like Motorola to provide up-to-date version of android for their handsets. Of course not all old handsets can be upgraded but we all know Defy is very capable phone in terms of Android 2.3.4.
I'm still waiting for Froyo 2.2 upgrade, in the UK, and so furious with Motorola over this. Anyways, that matter is for another post.

yeah, tell me about it. I bought the phone from tmobile on date of launch... was told q1, then q2, now end of year... ahhh LOL

This doesn't mean anything. If the flaw is really critical, then I guess Google just release a patch for the module that's responsible for authentication - they won't force all carriers to update the whole system. Instead only some small fix may be pushed to affected devices.

Google announced today they will fix the problem on server-side.
Don't get it really, if plain text was sent out to google servers how the problem could be fixed on server-side? Also if no fix is necessary on the client side then why Android 2.3.4 was modified to encrypt data before sending it to the google?
Maybe this is me not understanding what the problem was. I found it difficult to imagine google would lie about the fix solution.

pkryger said:
This doesn't mean anything. If the flaw is really critical, then I guess Google just release a patch for the module that's responsible for authentication - they won't force all carriers to update the whole system. Instead only some small fix may be pushed to affected devices.
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If Motorola is not going to give us 2.3.4 then they will have to release 2.2.3 to us if the solution turned out ineffective on the server-side.

Curr946 said:
yeah, tell me about it. I bought the phone from tmobile on date of launch... was told q1, then q2, now end of year... ahhh LOL
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I really like (previously loved it) my Defy but can't understand why I have purchased a product about six months ago that I couldn't use many features that I wanted from day one. Many apps (email in particular) work properly from 2.2 and above.
I will only buy another phone from Motorola if it had the latest Android installed on it. I don't believe they are shipping Atrix with 2.2. Motorola will have the same attitude towards Atrix upgrade too.

CSharpHeaven said:
I really like (previously loved it) my Defy but can't understand why I have purchased a product about six months ago that I couldn't use many features that I wanted from day one. Many apps (email in particular) work properly from 2.2 and above.
I will only buy another phone from Motorola if it had the latest Android installed on it. I don't believe they are shipping Atrix with 2.2. Motorola will have the same attitude towards Atrix upgrade too.
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Yeah? Well, email that didn't work on 2.1 still doesn't work on 2.2. For me anyway. Browser was way better in 2.1. Screen seems a bit smoother -- marginally. But you can move some apps to SD card.

you all should use cm7. it still has some bugs, but nothing serious, and its waay better and faster than motorolas softwares. plus its 2.3.4
Sent from my superfast CM7 Defy.

scrannel said:
Yeah? Well, email that didn't work on 2.1 still doesn't work on 2.2. For me anyway. Browser was way better in 2.1. Screen seems a bit smoother -- marginally. But you can move some apps to SD card.
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Are you using the official 2.2 rom from Motorola?

zakoo2 said:
you all should use cm7. it still has some bugs, but nothing serious, and its waay better and faster than motorolas softwares. plus its 2.3.4
Sent from my superfast CM7 Defy.
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If Defy officialy remains on Android 2.2 then I will be looking for alternative roms without caring about the warranty.

Motorola claims it will try to update "all" devices to jelly bean

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/motorola-jelly-bean-upgrades/
somehow I feel "all" will not include our beloved Defy ^^
But still, sounds good to me... let's see which devices they'll really upgrade in the end.

wait and see

All possible devices. That might not include very old devices like Milestone because it's hardware is too old for JB. But let's hope it comes to Defy as well. Because our hardware is sufficient enough for jellybean.

you might not have seen the word 'new' before 'devices'. the defy is nowhere near new.
i really dont get why people still hope that one day motorola will care about the defy...
cmon, the defy was only updated to gb, not even ics, why would they care? and no, officially our hardware is not enough (according to motorola anyways)... just look at atrix (one of the first dual core devices on the market!), it wont get jellybean or an officially unlockable bootloader either!
sent from my jellybean defy...

Update from another source:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...grades-promises-developer-editions-of-phones/
"Today, Motorola just floored users with an unprecedented offer: if you bought a phone from Motorola that launched in 2011, most of you will receive an upgrade to Jelly Bean. If, however, you're using a phone that Motorola decides will have a degraded experience, you will receive $100 in credit towards an upgrade. This may mark the first time that a manufacturer has broadly promised compensation for a lack of updates for all of its devices."
Defy was launched in 2010, Defy+ in 2011.

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"Today, Motorola just floored users with an unprecedented offer: if you bought a phone from Motorola that launched in 2011, most of you will receive an upgrade to Jelly Bean.
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I swear "most of you" aren't defy+ users.

Being a defy+ user doesn't matter much. Just flash GB kernel and our defy is a defy +...with a few glitches with camera module that is.
But abt this news. ...even if we do get jellybean....don't expect a 3.0 kernel, which is what we want an unlocked BL for. Sony updated their 2011 xperia lineup with ICS ....but most of the phones with ICS still are running 2.6.32 or 2.6.35 kernels...
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bharaththeunique said:
Being a defy+ user doesn't matter much. Just flash GB kernel and our defy is a defy +...with a few glitches with camera module that is.
But abt this news. ...even if we do get jellybean....don't expect a 3.0 kernel, which is what we want an unlocked BL for. Sony updated their 2011 xperia lineup with ICS ....but most of the phones with ICS still are running 2.6.32 or 2.6.35 kernels...
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yeah, but an official jb kernel would still be better than the current gb one.
anyway, we probably wont fit in the 'most devices'. so we will have a 100$ discount from a new moto device, yay! unfortunately i will never buy a moto phone again...
sent from my jellybean defy...

erm it say they will 'try to'
so get back to ur daily chores... no need to get ur hopes high...
ill be suprised if defy gets an update
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yeah, but an official jb kernel would still be better than the current gb one.
anyway, we probably wont fit in the 'most devices'. so we will have a 100$ discount from a new moto device, yay! unfortunately i will never buy a moto phone again...
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$100 discount is only for Verizon customers. Even right now the three new models that they released today are Verizon exclusive.

zakoo2 said:
yeah, but an official jb kernel would still be better than the current gb one.
anyway, we probably wont fit in the 'most devices'. so we will have a 100$ discount from a new moto device, yay! unfortunately i will never buy a moto phone again...
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Lol....u didn't read wt I said....even IF we get jb or ICS....it most probably won't be on a jb kernel...it will remain on 2.6.x kernel like with the xperia lineup
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Even if jb WAS released for defy+, I would be werry werry wary of upgrading, as the rom would be locked down so tight again it would take ages, or never, to be rooted.

Yh i think you guys are right and a little something for people who still believe in motorola for unlocked boot loaders
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/droid-razr-m-and-hd-dev-editions-bring-unlockable-bootloaders-to/
IF u care about unlocked boot loaders then I think you should forget and not listen to moto's words cuz they're just lying
I mean why do they still need to sell so called Bull**** developer edition devices if they have a unlock tool like HTC now......
It just makes no sense.
I think Defy has no hope but defy+ maybe..... But I might be wrong

Kayant said:
Yh i think you guys are right and a little something for people who still believe in motorola for unlocked boot loaders
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/droid-razr-m-and-hd-dev-editions-bring-unlockable-bootloaders-to/
IF u care about unlocked boot loaders then I think you should forget and not listen to moto's words cuz they're just lying
I mean why do they still need to sell so called Bull**** developer edition devices if they have a unlock tool like HTC now......
It just makes no sense.
I think Defy has no hope but defy+ maybe..... But I might be wrong
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even if the moto decides no to upgrade defy+ , wht would they say about defyXT MB535, it is the same hardware except that front camera , they cannot cancel JB update for defyXT as it was launched in 2012 itself lets c ..
defy+ or defyXT .. anything will do

Shubhamqweasd said:
wht would they say about defyXT MB535, it is the same hardware except that front camera
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Unfortunately you're wrong, the Defy XT is a completely different phone.

Kaffeekranz said:
Unfortunately you're wrong, the Defy XT is a completely different phone.
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That's true with its all power Qualcomm 1ghz processor etc....

This was on a Verizon press conference. Is the defy+ on Verizon? I don't know. I think Verizon persists on the boot loader (as with the sIII). Because Verizon is an important reseller, I think they will keep the Verizon versions locked.

All s**t about Verizon. What about other markets?!
You can get retail Defy/+ for $400 here (original from official Motorola distributor), and locked bootloader?!!!! Seriously?!! Only because Verizon says NO in USA?!!
You don't care about other markets?!!!
Also i sent 20 tweets to Motorola, Motorola Mobility, MotoDev and Motorola Support regarding update for November and December (2010) devices!
Waiting for reply!
Verizon.........seriously.......

Someone from the german android-hilfe.de forum wrote an email to the motorola support:
Your device will remain on 2.3.
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NO update for defy+!

This annoucement is just bad marketing joke from moto. Defy shall receive no update, it is just too old for them to actually do anything with it. They hope current motophone owners will buy new models because of discount.