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There have been many Rumors floating around, (especially the one started from BoyGenius) That ATT will be getting the Desire. My question to the wonderful world of XDA is, can anyone actually confirm this? Also, how many people are on ATT and are super frustrated that they lack good phones. I've been using my Fuze for 2 years now (love it still) but its time for an upgrade. I want Android, and a good android phone, not that crap ATT/Motorola are calling android (backflip).
I've been searching Google, Twitter, tech blogs, etc... Since February I've seen no rumours, so IMO they can be discounted.
At this point I'm betting no.. But someone PLEASE prove me wrong, I want the damn phone too!
I hope it gets to the us...more people that use it, the more support it will get from devs etc
check this out...
http://www.scienceprousa.com/?p=572
i have heard late may or june possible same time as new iphone release!
Dear Jonathan, Thank you for contacting us in regards to your flash player issue. Within the next 2 weeks HTC wil release the Android 2.2 OS over the air. The will enable the lastest version of Adobe Flash Player on your device and will resolve any exisiting issues. I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required. Thank you for contacting HTC. Best regards, xxxxxxxxxxxxx HTC Technical Support
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
What can I say! bring it on!
That's brilliant news! Can't bloody wait!
Brilliant, lets hope his word is good for it !!
Thanks for the info.
Sent them the email cos I couldn't watch Vixen Videos on The Daily Star
I still wouldn't be too suprised if it doesn't come out at that time.
By now it's getting kind of a fail on Google's side that they teased us with Froyo mid may and still haven't officially released it even on the N1. I'm afraid Apple's iOS 4 will beat Froyo to the market. After iOS4 mass market will not care much for Android at least for another half year.
We have to keep our hopes high though, so hopefully in 2 weeks we'll be running Froyo.
IF, and I say if, that's true then fair play HTC!!
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I still wouldn't be too suprised if it doesn't come out at that time.
By now it's getting kind of a fail on Google's side that they teased us with Froyo mid may and still haven't officially released it even on the N1. I'm afraid Apple's iOS 4 will beat Froyo to the market. After iOS4 mass market will not care much for Android at least for another half year.
We have to keep our hopes high though, so hopefully in 2 weeks we'll be running Froyo.
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I agree. I think if you don't release the update within a few weeks of announcing it publicly, it reflects very badly on your planning/preparation. And as much as I hate Apple, I think they are pretty good at these things, while Google clearly has a long way to go. If they do screw up with Froyo, Android's dreams of catching up with iPhone in terms of market share would remain dreams for a long long time.
Ah, so it begins. The rumour of the 23rd of June is now being pushed back by another two weeks before we even get to the 23rd.
Can we stop this? In just under two weeks someone will receive another email pushing it back another few weeks, and again, and again and so on.
Until HTC say "It'll be out on this date" this emailing customer service nonsense should just stop.
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Ah, so it begins. The rumour of the 23rd of June is now being pushed back by another two weeks before we even get to the 23rd.
Can we stop this? In just under two weeks someone will receive another email pushing it back another few weeks, and again, and again and so on.
Until HTC say "It'll be out on this date" this emailing customer service nonsense should just stop.
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It says 'within the next two weeks'. ;-)
Chill dude.
Last time i checked the 23rd was in the next 2 weeks. OTA updates are rarely on the same date for everyone for a number of reasons, so an exact date may not be possible.
Well, see you all in three weeks for the customary self induced *****fest. People need to stop attention seeking.
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Last time i checked the 23rd was in the next 2 weeks. OTA updates are rarely on the same date for everyone for a number of reasons, so an exact date may not be possible.
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Yes, but once somebody here has it, everybody here has it. Or so I hope...
Aitese said:
Ah, so it begins. The rumour of the 23rd of June is now being pushed back by another two weeks before we even get to the 23rd.
Can we stop this? In just under two weeks someone will receive another email pushing it back another few weeks, and again, and again and so on.
Until HTC say "It'll be out on this date" this emailing customer service nonsense should just stop.
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I emailed customer service because I wanted to know if they had a fix for embedded flash not working, not to find out if there was an update coming, just thought I'd share the reply.
within the next 2 weeks includes the 23rd as far as my calender goes btw and they'd be stupid to update all desires on the same day - the network stress would be ridiculous!
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Well, see you all in three weeks for the customary self induced *****fest. People need to stop attention seeking.
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Ack, can't be bothered
i mailed htc when i saw this thread and got a denial in return
Dear <me>, Thank you for contacting us. In regards to your query, I am afraid but that is not an official statment from HTC. Please find below the official statment about the update to 2.2 Froyo: "We are considering a Froyo(2.2) upgrade for some models of our phones, but we are still analyzing the impact this will have on the user experience. We will announce a full list of phones and dates once we are closer to launching the upgrades." I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required. Thank you for contacting HTC. Kind regards, <dude at htc>. HTC
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Yes, but once somebody here has it, everybody here has it. Or so I hope...
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Not over the air. How many desires have seen sold? Have a guess and multiply it by the 150MB or so of the update and see why not everyone will get it on the same day..
Personally im waiting for cooked Froyo Desire ROMs. Im sure the stock one will be nice, but i want FULL A2SD.
Some of you guys need to get a life! Continue with your life without *****ing around and when the update eventually comes, you'll see it. Those people at the helpdesk in HTC HQ are just people like you and me trying to do their job. They're told what to and (and more specific) what NOT to say.
So hold your horses, quit *****ing and bothering them, they're no gods, they're just lads trying to earn their beer.
Once the update is READY, you'll all see it flashing on your screen.
Thank you.
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Not over the air. How many desires have seen sold? Have a guess and multiply it by the 150MB or so of the update and see why not everyone will get it on the same day..
Personally im waiting for cooked Froyo Desire ROMs. Im sure the stock one will be nice, but i want FULL A2SD.
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is there no way to just host it online and have it downloaded over regular internet?
i'm imagining it being like flashing the firmware of a dvdwriter or something.
would make it faster by a long shot and not impact the 3g network
This reply does kind of fit in the other leaks about froyo on the Desire. Namely end of June.
Off course until we actually have it on our phones it remains a question whether or not they can deliver in a timely fashion (unlike other htc android handhelds)
But the regular slips of htc support seem promising
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Dear Jonathan, Thank you for contacting us in regards to your flash player issue. Within the next 2 weeks HTC wil release the Android 2.2 OS over the air. The will enable the lastest version of Adobe Flash Player on your device and will resolve any exisiting issues. I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required. Thank you for contacting HTC. Best regards, xxxxxxxxxxxxx HTC Technical Support
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
What can I say! bring it on!
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Write back and ask him if he's sure about that estimate, and that other HTC reps have denied it.
See what he says.
I've been sitting on the sidelines not being vocal, but I think there's something we need to consider...
When we got our wp7 phones we need what features were lacking. If you didn't you should have done some research before you bought the phone. Wp7 is still in its infancy and expect there to be bugs and problems. If you wanted something more concrete should have stick with your iphone or Android. For what we do have everything seems to run pretty smooth.
Im not going to lie, but I curious about the nodo update. But im glad I haven't received it. Because then our phones will be locked and the homebrew segment and actual limited customization will be gone. Until someone of course finds a work around. And someone always does. And honestly, on your old phones how many of you even knew it had a copy.paste feature? Instead of focusing on nodo update which doesn't really do much, except speed up our phones, why no concentrate more on mango! Mango is the update that we all should want! Just my two cents. Btw i use a HTC hd7 on tmobile USA and its done everything i wanted without any problems!
I think people are focusing on Nodo because it's the 1st update and it will give us an idea about how Microsoft will handle the platform.
If they can't even handle a small update with almost nothing in it, this is worrying for the future. If they need 5 months to release such a small update, when will we get Mango? it's nice to make big promises about Mango but I'm starting to believe Thurrott when he says 2012 when you consider Microsoft's pace. I couldn't care less about Nodo, I don't use C&P that much and it doesn't fix the bugs people really care about like Live Tiles and push notifications not working. It only fixes one bug and that's the marketplace one.
And how long until we stop saying "they've just started, give them time"? After 6 months they should be about to deliver their 2nd update and be talking about the next one. Even if it's in 3 months, at least talk about it! They act like they don't give a sh*t and I'm sure soon people will start trading their phones and go back to Android/iOS.
That's true too. But considering this is their first update we can't assume things will be perfect. Now if the next major update rolls out and there's still issues with updating I for would question Microsoft. But I see your point of view. Perhaps Microsoft was releasing this small update to see how their update system would work? Dunno, but don't give up on Microsoft just yet. Trust me, I miss my android G2, but my wp7 phone hasn't let me done yet. And I was just thinking, do we really need multitasking? That could open up a whole new can of worms.
A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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Same here. I'm really starting to get worried that it'll be like everyone feared.
Oh well, I really thought they would up their game with this.
Still a great phone, just now I know it won't be supported.
I'm still not quite sure what carriers have to do with updating the phone. The update comes through Zune. C&P can't screw up a network, neither can the marketplace not crashing all the time.
In other words, this update fiasco is purely MS's fault.
Be it that they didn't make a better deal with carriers, they underestimated logistics, they haven't been forthright with customers, it is the fault of MS.
On the other hand. If you bought the phone because some said someone at MS said an update was coming out soon that would add C&P, I can see how you'd be pissed off, but you'd still be silly for buying a phone based on a rumor as opposed to its merits, which are plentiful.
My problem with this whole thing is:
1/. If MS was gonna stay mum and not update us on the delays, they should've STFU all the way until they announced a concrete date for the update.
2/. If MS was gonna talk about updates, they should've kept us posted all the way instead of tidbits here and there.
The way their going about it making it so some can't even recommend WP7 because of this update fiasco. I mean, since when couldn't MS send out bug fixes? I get one almost every week for my PC and that OS is way more complicated than a phone OS.
That's so true. They shouldn't make promises they can't keep. And if they say something and it dont go right atleast keep us in the loop. I also agree its hard to reccomend a phone where the support from Microsoft seems to be very spotty. So my question is, is it still too early to tell the future of wp7? I guess now I can understand why some people are asking about trying to dual boot on our phones. So is it the carriers fault, Microsoft fault, or the OEMs hardware fault we're not getting updates? And since we have to update through Zune, what do the carriers have anything to do with the updates?
I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
hassia said:
I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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The messed up part is that this is an advantage.
While they were ironing out whatever back-alley deals they had to iron out with the carriers, they could've been taking notes on what actual people in the know on forums like these had to ***** about.
They could've then slipped a few of the fixes, swapped a few 1s with 0s in the code, tweaked it around just a bit to make the OS even better.
Instead, we're going to get the update verbatim, the geek world is going to laugh and MS is gonna wonder where it all went wrong for the umpteenth time.
Probably just a reiteration of what others have said, but nonetheless my opinion. Microsoft first said that the NoDo update would be coming early next year so most people assumed January, than they said late February (I think they did), then it was early March, and now its late March. This update merely adds copy + paste (along with a few bugfixes, one of which ISN'T for the camera) and that is a very basic feature! Apple just released iOS 4.3 (which updated the Safari javascript engine and some other stuff) AHEAD of schedule by 2 days and Microsoft keeps pushing back a minor update by weeks.
I'm pissed because I want WP7 to succeed. I used the device and I loved the device, but it's not nearly as good as its competitors as a whole. If Microsoft doesn't figure out what their doing WP7 will fail.
The general rule is you NEVER buy a phone based on what is "coming". You always buy based on what is in the phone when you bought it. I went through the same crap with blackberry, promising an os update to the storm 2 series. When OS6 came out they were like nope, not supporting that handset. Go buy a the touch.
I'm very satisfied with the Samsung Focus I have now, any future updates is just icing on the cake. You'll be sorely disappointed if you buy things based on promises
Sorry I will have to reiterate my post 'normal consumers' want to play music,surf the web play youtube and games most will not use copy and paste that is just a fact. I work in a theater with a varied range of people most do not even know they have copy and paste capabilities.
It's a sad turn of affairs when a person has to resort to doing crap like this to update their WP7 phone. I see no future for WP7 due to this. Think of all the unconnected people out there who don't even know about this trick who are forever on NoDo.
Well, ultimately this is about MS selling second gen. hardware with Mango already installed. MS likely didn't even want to update first gen. hardware but felt compelled by the community reaction of the featurelessness of first gen. phones.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/psa-force-windows-phone-7-5-mango-to-update-right-now/
The people who are "unconnected" will probably blissfully go on with their life until they get a notification pop-up on screen telling them to update to Mango.
This trick is just forcing it to update immediately rathar than waiting your turn. If you don't do this trick it will update over the next few days anyway. Non-issue tbh.
edit: Also, I'm pretty sure MS do want everyone up to Mango. I would think they are far more concerned with the over all WP7 ecosystem than just selling some new handsets.
I don't think that is even remotely the issue.
MS has done MUCH better with mango than they did with NoDo. Practically everyone is getting it in a matter of weeks as opposed to the hit and miss that we had with NoDo. Some just want it 'right this second' and if they read tech blogs they can get it.
Those that don't are still getting mango. Nothing says they're going to be stuck on NoDo.
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The people who are "unconnected" will probably blissfully go on with their life until they get a notification pop-up on screen telling them to update to Mango.
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My feelings exactly. Those who are "unconnected" couldn't care less about updates.
My wife wouldn't know what iOS5 meant if you said it to her. She's perfectly happy with her stock 3GS, and has no interest in upgrading to even the iPhone 5.
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OP: You have got to be kidding me. Do you have any idea how SMOOTH this is going compared to NoDo? And we got two major OS updates inside of 6 months. Did 2.3 even come out yet? I swear I heard about that for about half a decade. There are some things they changed which I do not like of course, but overall this platform just took a giant leap forward. A Superman-type leap.
As I was force my Focus to get the Mango update last night, I can feel the last update download is fairly slow (at 12am EDT). Staged roll out is designed to smooth out the update server load and make sure everyone gets a plesent experience updating.
Those of us who forced our way to get the update is like cut in front of other ppl in a long line and rush to the checkout. We are creating more problem for others who play by rules.
So, I'm not sure what's the OP's problem. Do you think delivering couple hundred MBs of updates (per phone) for couple millions of phones all at once is an easy job?
MartyLK, all you ever do is complain. I swear, Steve Ballmer could show up at your house, plug in your WP7 phone and update it himself a month before the rest of the world, and you would complain that his tie was crooked.
It's extremely obvious that you have an axe to grind with MS for some unknown reason, so find a better forum to do it on than this and quit making ridiculous (and redudant) topics and statements.
I guess android should quit too...their updates are far worse.
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You gotta be kidding me.
First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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Even I felt it was odd that there is no official US release announcement yet. I just hope the unlocked GSM model gets released this month. I don't mind paying the full price.
I have to admit I would not have been this anxious if I did not loose my Nexus One . It's hard to survive with a 5 year old phone.
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First CTIA announcement was delayed, then later an announcement without carriers or release dates. Two weeks later and till no US carrier release information. Seems odd considering the other recent "super phone" announcements came with carrier information, release dates, and pricing. Also the usual parties have not received production review units which I'd expect by now.
Even announcing puts the brakes on product purchases of competing models. Look how many people withheld purchases of smart phones the entire quarter prior to an expected iPhone release. Why announce and hold if reducing product competition was the goal?
The only thing I can think of is to steal some of Apple's iOS 5 thunder. Show that Google's Android 4.0 is moving forward too even if it's not really ready.
What do you think?
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Well, Verizon did say we're getting the Galaxy Nexus "later this year"... But that's about the only US release information to date.
US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
I think its slightly unnerving that theres quite a bit of silence from Google when they've already announced a date for Europe.
I think its because they're trying to work with carriers this time. Whereas with the Nexus S they clearly didn't try that hard. Part of that is pretty much requiring that they get VZW (thats why they made the LTE version), and the other part is trying to push it to more carriers too.
We'll see. I'm not "worried" about it, just curious.
If by next week we still don't have the LTE version labels released by the FCC, then something is curious.
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US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
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If that is the reason then why announce in the first place. By announcing they are in fact causing a lot of people to wait and not buy the Galaxy S2, myself included.
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US carriers just released the old galaxy S II. They want to actually sell some and not have everyone wait 45 days for the newer / better device.
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Normal people don't do this. Only nerds do. You're way off base if you think any normal person knows what a "Nexus" phone is, or cares enough to hold off buying a new phone when they're ready to make a purchase.
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I think its slightly unnerving that theres quite a bit of silence from Google when they've already announced a date for Europe.
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You're not alone mate. Here in Europe we have a date but what does it mean? Is it just for the 16 GB version? If yes when does the 32GB arrive? Not a single shop here has a confirmed date when it is in store so we're in the same situation. We can just wait and search the web for infos.
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You're not alone mate. Here in Europe we have a date but what does it mean? Is it just for the 16 GB version? If yes when does the 32GB arrive? Not a single shop here has a confirmed date when it is in store so we're in the same situation. We can just wait and search the web for infos.
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Indeed. I'm constantly looking for information about the 32 GB version as I really need the space and I find it frustrating that there is no information about it. I even asked Samsung Sweden about it and they have yet to reply. They did reply to my other questions I asked them earlier about the GN but not this.
It's pathetic. Google and Samsung screwed up a chance to take the spotlight from 4s.
Carriers ***** slapped both if them and they complied.
Nothing short of bad management to have ZERO information or street dates this far after announcement. The *few weeks* bull**** stopped being believable after gingerbread.
Agreed. I'm not going to reopen any old wounds, because they might be egocentric as another member or two posted, but this is not how you do it.
I just keep looking at that original Nexus One launch and hang my head. If those people involved could only see to now? Dear god they'd be ashamed, I would think.
The more frustrating thing is Google really is so big, the only other people that can bull them into releasing info are more corrupt and more interest centric than Google itself. The actual people that will use the device day in and out, I feel there is no one to speak for our interests.
It would be nice if we could twitter Rubin himself: A number of users, with a simple message: You should be ashamed of the GN launch. #Nexus Fail
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Agreed. I'm not going to reopen any old wounds, because they might be egocentric as another member or two posted, but this is not how you do it.
I just keep looking at that original Nexus One launch and hang my head. If those people involved could only see to now? Dear god they'd be ashamed, I would think.
The more frustrating thing is Google really is so big, the only other people that can bull them into releasing info are more corrupt and more interest centric than Google itself. The actual people that will use the device day in and out, I feel there is no one to speak for our interests.
It would be nice if we could twitter Rubin himself: A number of users, with a simple message: You should be ashamed of the GN launch. #Nexus Fail
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I wouldn't be so harsh but I ordered my device and so I would like to know where it is and when I can receive it.
The only thing which probably was a bit fail is the fact that they showed it to early.
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I wouldn't be so harsh but I ordered my device and so I would like to know where it is and when I can receive it.
The only thing which probably was a bit fail is the fact that they showed it to early.
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Don't forget it was meant to be announced a week or two before it actually was, so that would have been even earlier.
So far all we have had is either conflicting information, or none at all. Samsung confirmed yesterday that release in the UK would be on the 17th, and literally a matter of hours later retailers are saying this has now been pushed back to w/c 21st
They have lost quite a bit of momentum with the delays and confusion imo. My attitude has gone from "wow, I need this phone now" to "do I really need a new phone?".
I will probably still buy it though
I bet they're still wringing out bugs/issues.
The conspiracy theorist in me says there are patent issues to work out.
My guess is they will never disclose why the launch has been delayed. But I do agree, it's likely lawyers, not engineers involved in the delay.
I like to feel special. If less people have it, it makes me more special.
I had a Samsung Wave in the U-S-of-A. I felt special. Until I started hating it for being so special (Samsung store didn't work in the US).
xManMythLegend said:
It's pathetic. Google and Samsung screwed up a chance to take the spotlight from 4s.
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you honestly think that the Galaxy Nexus would be able to take the spotlight from the iPhone 4S?
PM me so I know where to get the drugs you're on....
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My guess is they will never disclose why the launch has been delayed. But I do agree, it's likely lawyers, not engineers involved in the delay.
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There's probably a lot of numbers talk going on between Google and the carriers in the USA atm.
Don't know, might be Samsung not Google. Maybe one reason they bought Motorola I bet the next Nexus will be Motorola's
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