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1) What is: Nandroid, Titanium Backup, Rom Manager, Estrong Manager, AmonRa
to be specific - do I need all of them or just 1-2 of them?
2) What is the difference?
I read some perfer Clockwork Recover while other says there has been issues with it but AmonRa hasnt.
3)Answered
4) Do I really have to WIPE every time I switch (Flash) Rom?
I have read few posts that mention they don't do it and never had an issue.
What is the purpose of Wiping?
5) AOSP?? huh new jargon (working on it)
6) Answered
7) Confirm if im doing this right:
Download (new-rom.zip) - move to sd card - do one of the following: (nandroid, titanium or both?) - turn off phone, turn on to recovery mode, wipe (optional?), factory reset (optional?), wipe cache/delv (optional?), install zip, yada yada yada...?
8) What happens if I get (insert ROM) and open it's zip, remove the stuff I want out than rezip and load? good idea or bad idea?
9) What is a Launcher? how many types of Launcher are there? Adw, Pro, X, Y, Z?
I'll think of more later on. Sorry for the massive noob question. Im constantly reading the dev section forums and seeing several jargons im not fully understanding and alot of apps that some uses over the other.
dude, these are beyond noob questions.
every question in your post can easily be answered with a few minutes of searching.
I'm almost tempted to answer your questions but you need to learn this stuff, and not by having it spoon-fed to you, not to mention the subject matters you ask about would take a great deal of my precious time to explain. You read enough to get your phone rooted without bricking it, keep up the reading.
We all learned a ton of new stuff when we first got into android phones. Those with LINUX experience had a shorter learning curve, I for one had zero experience with LINUX. And most of us learned it by SEARCHING and READING. The more of this stuff you learn by your own research the better, you will have an actual understanding of how these things work.
If you want I will answer ONE of the above questions, in depth. Your choice..
Im constantly reading and I getting alot of contradiction answers. Thus im trying to break each one apart on pro/con. I guess my main concern that a search won't find an answer would be:
6) How do I get access into the Internal Memory?
caused I have searched using (internal storage, internal memory) and been unable to find an answer to it.
grrgrrgrr said:
Im constantly reading and I getting alot of contradiction answers. Thus im trying to break each one apart on pro/con. I guess my main concern that a search won't find an answer would be:
6) How do I get access into the Internal Memory?
caused I have searched using (internal storage, internal memory) and been unable to find an answer to it.
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Get a file explorer. They work very similarly to explorer windows in Windows. You'll be able to see the file structure, remove files you don't want, add ones you want, move stuff around (which is especially useful for managing your sdcard)
I prefer Root Explorer, but it's a paid app. If you want a free option just to get your feet wet then get Astro File Manager from the market and start poking around just DO NOT DELETE ANYTHING unless you KNOW what it is and KNOW you don't want it anymore.
One tip regarding removing apps.. if you're not sure what the outcome will be you can add something like ".bak" to the end of the filename which essentially makes the file invisible to the system without removing it yet.
Although if it's a system critical apk then you might get a boot loop, in which case you will need a nandroid backup ready to restore.
what im currently doing now is constantly flashing 2.2 stock
I read titanium removes apps and I learned Sprint Zone = promotional.apk that is required to stay on to use *2 *3 dial...
But the .bak thing is nice, basically if I can't remove it, I still be able not to see it.
now as far as the .bak is concern - where do I rename it from? from the root explorer app? just long press it & rename the .xxx to .bak? or .xxx.bak?
you do not need sprint zone for anything
rename or remove files using a file explorer, and I don't know what you mean by "if I can't remove it".. you can remove any file using a file explorer
I usually just add .bak to whatever extension is already there. So if you're using LauncherPro and want to see if removing rosie.apk causes any problems (it wont, you can do without it just fine as long as you have another launcher installed) rename it to rosie.apk.bak and reboot
alright, btw I tried astro and it only shows me the folders/app of my SD card.
Im not looking to mess with those.
I want to view the Internal phone memory and possibly the Bios.
Second, with Astrofile - Let's say Amazonmp3 - im able to find that but within the stock2.2 rom.zip - removing from that zip wont change anything though unless I re-flash it, correct?
I am under the impression, once I flash a rom.zip, I can remove that rom.zip out of the sd card. the info is stored internally or in the bios. That is where I want to get acess to.
I know through titanium - if I find amazonmp3 and un-install from there, it removes from my phone.
there is no bios on android
astro's default view is the sdcard, you can go up one level and see all the system folders
yes, once you flash the rom you can remove the rom's zip from your sdcard but you might as well leave it in case you need to reflash it
Hi All...
Maybe a dumb question but I need an answer.
I was looking through the rest of the builds on kingshui's sourceforge site and something caught me off-guard.
Apparently he has some /system builds exceeding 100mb (the one I downloaded was 103mb, 98mb in a tarball).
I know with standard kernels we can slide the partition marker to the right and gain some /system space, but I'm currently using Scoot's cache kernel: No partition changing allowed (I guess), but the kernel is so smooth and fluid with my kingshui build.
I guess my question would be this...
Can I remove apps from the app folder to shrink this build to the 100mb limit, or will this cause issues in the build itself?
Edit; it appears to be CGM 5.0.8 RLS11, which is Android 2.1 -update1
DURRR!
Still... it's better to answer for future generations.
The androidinstall.tar has at least on folder in it, named System.
It might have another folder in it, named Data.
It might even have other folders, ignore them for now.
Inside both system, there might be alot of folders (expecially in system), but one of them is called "App". Now, all the apps will be there, along with perhaps a .odex file for everyone.
You can move certains apps from /system/app to /data/app. (if /data does not exists, create /data and app inside it.) You can also remove things from /system/app, if you're not going to use them. Like, CMwallpapers.apk.
PoXFreak said:
Hi All...
Maybe a dumb question but I need an answer.
I was looking through the rest of the builds on kingshui's sourceforge site and something caught me off-guard.
Apparently he has some /system builds exceeding 100mb (the one I downloaded was 103mb, 98mb in a tarball).
I know with standard kernels we can slide the partition marker to the right and gain some /system space, but I'm currently using Scoot's cache kernel: No partition changing allowed (I guess), but the kernel is so smooth and fluid with my kingshui build.
I guess my question would be this...
Can I remove apps from the app folder to shrink this build to the 100mb limit, or will this cause issues in the build itself?
Edit; it appears to be CGM 5.0.8 RLS11, which is Android 2.1 -update1
DURRR!
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Hey, I learn something new everyday!
I assume this would mean that if I needed to move apps from /system to /data, I would copy the files I wanted from /system/app and make a new folder for /data and put the apps in /data/app, along with the odex files if needed?
I did not know it was that easy. I always had a fear of ruining a build due o mis-matched apps being installed.
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Hey, I learn something new everyday!
I assume this would mean that if I needed to move apps from /system to /data, I would copy the files I wanted from /system/app and make a new folder for /data and put the apps in /data/app, along with the odex files if needed?
I did not know it was that easy. I always had a fear of ruining a build due o mis-matched apps being installed.
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Be advised!!! Not every single package SHOULD/CAN be moved to DATA.
Examples:
Vending.apk -- Market... shouldn't.
Google*.apk -- Can't/Shouldn't
LatinIME.apk - I belive CAN'T.
Also... you never bumped into a release with the data folder already present ?
It's usually made so that you can remove apps by uninstalling them (Default launcher for example, in case you replaced it).
Also... why didn't you experiment ??
Sorry for the late reply, I got hung up in trying to memory map the HTC Raphael...
Anyway, I tend to think of it as "sacrelige" (sp) to mess with what others have already worked hard to build.
I will however take the "system_froyo_us_odex" package and modify it by changing the bootanimation.zip or wallpapers.apk to what I like. I have a CM theme pack (5.0.8 I believe), but I haven't gotten around to messing with it. It does however have a couple of certificates along with it, one being "manifest.cert", whic I really don't want to play with.
My Ubuntu machine doesn't like me since the latest kernel update to 11.04 and working on it has become a bear.
Que sera sera, another laptop needed...
PoXFreak said:
Sorry for the late reply, I got hung up in trying to memory map the HTC Raphael...
Anyway, I tend to think of it as "sacrelige" (sp) to mess with what others have already worked hard to build.
I will however take the "system_froyo_us_odex" package and modify it by changing the bootanimation.zip or wallpapers.apk to what I like. I have a CM theme pack (5.0.8 I believe), but I haven't gotten around to messing with it. It does however have a couple of certificates along with it, one being "manifest.cert", whic I really don't want to play with.
My Ubuntu machine doesn't like me since the latest kernel update to 11.04 and working on it has become a bear.
Que sera sera, another laptop needed...
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It would be sacrilegio if you would dessecate a rom, and publish it as your own without credits. But for out own use, tweak away Just remember not to come asking on it's respective thread if the errors happening might be introduced with your tampering.
As for themes, it's not really my topic
About ubuntu... what machine are we talking about ?
An old Toshiba with an intel proc and realtek audio. I think it has to do with the touchpad (alps) because the system will freeze until I touch it.
As far as that CGM build, I can't use it becaus I'm set up for Froyo and that build is 2.1 update 1.
Can't find a thread for this on the forum.
Been exploring the phone memory using file manager app, and found the folder system/app which contains a lot of the system apk and odex files and is 106mb.
Is it safe to move this to the SD card? Folder shows a last modified date of 16/04/2011 which is 3 months before I bought the phone.
This would free up a huge chunk of the phone memory and provide more room for messages & contacts which is what I'm hoping to achieve, as well as space for apps which won't move to SD card.
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Can't find a thread for this on the forum.
Been exploring the phone memory using file manager app, and found the folder system/app which contains a lot of the system apk and odex files and is 106mb.
Is it safe to move this to the SD card? Folder shows a last modified date of 16/04/2011 which is 3 months before I bought the phone.
This would free up a huge chunk of the phone memory and provide more room for messages & contacts which is what I'm hoping to achieve, as well as space for apps which won't move to SD card.
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if am not mistaken you need to be rooted for that...
Think you might be right on this one.
Tried moving one of the apks, and it copied rather than just moving it.
Also wouldn't let me delete.
I'm a bit of a noob (don't hate me), and not sure where to start with rooting, so a couple of questions (and apologies if they're really obvious).
1) I've read around a bit, and there seems to be a disagreement about whether rooting invalidates warranty? Is there a definitive answer?
2) If all I want to do is move stuff out of the phone memory, what is the easiest/safest way of rooting?
3) Does anyone know any way of making the files in the system folder not "read only"
ginnerchris said:
Think you might be right on this one.
Tried moving one of the apks, and it copied rather than just moving it.
Also wouldn't let me delete.
I'm a bit of a noob (don't hate me), and not sure where to start with rooting, so a couple of questions (and apologies if they're really obvious).
1) I've read around a bit, and there seems to be a disagreement about whether rooting invalidates warranty? Is there a definitive answer?
2) If all I want to do is move stuff out of the phone memory, what is the easiest/safest way of rooting?
3) Does anyone know any way of making the files in the system folder not "read only"
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Well far as i know - the answers to your questions would be in the following order :
1 - Well there might not be a definitive answer and that might depend on your providers policy etc -
2 - The safest way to move stuff is rooting and if you want to know more about rooting you can find multiple threads about that in the development section such as this one :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1195275
But you need to make sure your device is "S-OFF" and not "S-ON" -
3 - I wouldn't recommend messing about with the default settings of system files etc -
i wouldn't recommend rooting, you can use APP2SD softwares to move your installed applications to SD without rooting, unless you really know what are you doing
I've been on Android for about 2 years now. Just bought the Samsung GSII for myself and my girlfriend got the Wildfire S.
She's only installed maybe 7-8 apps (if that), most have since been moved to the SD card, but she's constantly receiving a message about a lack of internal memory.
Is there any way to move all her apps to the SD card, or another way to free up some space?
** I'd like to do all this without rooting her phone. I'm a complete novice when it comes to modifying phones - only just got the hang of using different launchers.
I'm afraid that in order to move unmovable apps to the SD card, you will have to root the device.
You need to have a phone that is s-off in order to root, no other option as far as I am aware.
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I was cleaning out the unneseccary files on my sdcard and i found three files and a couple folders on the root of the directory and I have no idea what they are, so therefore i don't wanna delete them. I've tried googling the file names but can't find **** on them. They're called "ldb" which is a config file, then "ldb.db-wal" and "ldb.db-shm", is it safe to get these off of there, the folders are "termp" which was "BBSAD.pkg" "bwad.pkg", "PMAD.pkg", "PVMAD.pkg" and "SFAD.pkg". bugreports which is empty, can i get erid of that, and for some reason when i installed 4EXT, and do a NANdroid backup the backups still go into my clockworkmod folder. anyway to change that? I'm extremely OCD about the organization of my files and having these things i have no idea what they're for on my sdcard is just annoying to me. any help is appreciated
p.s. sorry for the long period of not being active, my phones cut off at the moment so i'm using it as a gameboy/mp3/movie device
4EXT: It's based off CWM so (as hard as it may be) you'll have to live with it. Sad face, I know, I'm super anal when it comes to my SD card!
TA4S
Please help me out here.
I can never find backups.
I recently realized the theres a "0" folder in every single "0" folder
And each one goes back in time a little, Which is where all of my older backups we're.
But when I make one now!
There's no backup folder.
Or anything within the TWRP folder but a weird file named TWRPS.something or something.
I deleted the 0 folder and it hasn't came back... I kinda figured it would.
I need a make a backup!!!!!
I've spent hours and hours and hours and hours setting up Paranoid Android.
YOU ALL KNOW how many per app color possibilities there are and how long it takes to make every single thing match.
Can someone please explain how the phone handles and places backups and why I can't seem to make one currently...
1. Use CWM, a lot easier IMO
2. Make sure you're using the LATEST version (6.0.2.3)
3. In 4.2.x, Google introduced the multi-user feature to Android (mainly for tablets). The first user is '0', second is '1', etc. As phones only use one user all data is moved to '0'. However, CWM still stores backups in the root (like it did in 4.1.x) so they are only visible in CWM UNLESS you use a root explorer (e.g. ES) to view the root directory and then you can find them in /data/media/clockworkmod. From there, you can delete/move them onto your '0' folder and then copy them to your PC to save space
EddyOS said:
1. Use CWM, a lot easier IMO
2. Make sure you're using the LATEST version (6.0.2.3)
3. In 4.2.x, Google introduced the multi-user feature to Android (mainly for tablets). The first user is '0', second is '1', etc. As phones only use one user all data is moved to '0'. However, CWM still stores backups in the root (like it did in 4.1.x) so they are only visible in CWM UNLESS you use a root explorer (e.g. ES) to view the root directory and then you can find them in /data/media/clockworkmod. From there, you can delete/move them onto your '0' folder and then copy them to your PC to save space
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Thank you, I guess I will switch to CWM I flashed it on a friends phone last night and it's a lot better than it was
2 years ago or so lol.
As long as your on the most current version of CWM or TWRP (loads better IMO) it fixed the nesting issues...
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As long as your on the most current version of CWM or TWRP (loads better IMO) it fixed the nesting issues...
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I'm not sure what you mean by nesting but I have TWRP and evrytime I make a backup now it's not in the TWRP folder.
Nesting is the creation of 0 folders ie /0/0/0/0/0 etc. Updated recoveries prevent this so your backups will be in /0/twrp/ and not /0/0/twrp after flashing new rom
Bloods thicker than water
namtombout said:
Nesting is the creation of 0 folders ie /0/0/0/0/0 etc. Updated recoveries prevent this so your backups will be in /0/twrp/ and not /0/0/twrp after flashing new rom
Bloods thicker than water
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Okay That makes sense, I switched over to CWM and I'm on the newest version.
I read someone that backups are no longer accessable from other apps or a PC, So I can't drag em' to my laptop for safe keepings.
I see it on my phone... But once I plug up to the laptop I can't find anything.
Edit: never mind I looked up a little and saw the very detailed post by the Recognized Contributor.
Okay so I'm using the newest CWM, Along with the newest ROM manager.
apparently the only way to get my backups to my pc is to ADB pull them (not too educated in which)
Or use this backup download server which is SLOW!!!!!!!!!!!
It's still trying to recognize it, Hasn't even started downloading yet.
Anyone know a better way?
Usually I'm not so bent on having a backup on my pc but that's when I actually had a SD card.
Now that it's internal I don't trust it one bit, Google made the storage a damn maze with this 0 folder and the legacy folder and all that crap.