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I am contemplating dumping my HTC Fuze and jumping ship from AT&T to T-Mobile just to get a Touch Pro 2, however I just got off the phone with T-Mo customer service and they informed me that you cannot tether the Touch Pro 2 to a laptop or use it as a modem.
Now I am sure the harware supports tethering and this is just something T-Mobile has decided to cripple, but how easy would it be to enable teathering? I hate the idea of paying $350 plus locking into a new contract and losing functionality from my Fuze!
Baloney.
Internet sharing is on the phone and the HTC WiFiRouter works perfectly.
I have tested both.
Thank you for the fast response, and for clearing this up! Once again, knowledge gained from this site continues to impress me!!!
I think what the T-Mobile people were actually getting at is your not supposed to do it.
I think its in the T&C's that if you have a data plan you wont use it through a computer and to watch video etc
(I use it all the time though and they dont enforce it)
You can tether (legitimately) on Total Internet (their old $20 plan) or the new "PDA" plans ($25 and $35, but include messaging.)
You CANNOT (according to the rules) do so on their "phone" plans (Web2Go I think now) but in some cases it will work. They're enforcing this with the TP2 by doing the "automatic add the feature" game based on IMEI, as they have with other smartphones they are selling now (especially the Android ones that won't work at all without it.)
Note that the TP2 has a number of included features (including embedded account management!) that doesn't work right, especially from the browser, if you use the Internet2 or Internet3 APN. You have to use "epc" if you want those to work.
I'm not sure why they'd care about video and such on the TP2 in particular, seeing as it has a Youtube video viewer BUILT IN FROM THE FACTORY in T-Mobile's software load!
Genesis3 said:
Baloney.
Internet sharing is on the phone and the HTC WiFiRouter works perfectly.
I have tested both.
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Where are you finding this "HTC WiFiRouter"?? (I'm on the T-Mobile version just like you guys)
I don't see it anywhere. I feel like such a newb, lol, even though I'm an ex-cook from my old Wing. So the WiFiRouter thing is pre-installed, right? And it'd let me create a WiFi hotspot for others to connect and use my data? That's what it sounds like.
Am I way off here? Or where the heck is this program? (Welcome everyone)
Search for it here on XDA - its a CAB you have to load.
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Search for it here on XDA - its a CAB you have to load.
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Ok, lol. You made it sound as if it was pre-loaded. I'll find it. Thanks.
T-mobile policy on tethering
Per policy it states that this type of 3g HSPCA device isnt allowed to tether and be used as a modem but the phone says otherwise. Also my theory on the last minute price jump on the tp2 is because tmobile can't stop it from being used as a modem on there smart phone data plans like they have with non rooted android devices. As an employee I researched this heavily before buying the TP2 and its one of the reasons why I went for the device. T-Mobile is so proud of their new 3g network but have made a lot of decisions to try and limit bandwidth consumption like removing push internet from the device. But anyway it should work. My disclaimer is that policy changes constantly at T-Mobile so this may not always be so.
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Per policy it states that this type of 3g HSPCA device isnt allowed to tether and be used as a modem but the phone says otherwise. Also my theory on the last minute price jump on the tp2 is because tmobile can't stop it from being used as a modem on there smart phone data plans like they have with non rooted android devices. As an employee I researched this heavily before buying the TP2 and its one of the reasons why I went for the device. T-Mobile is so proud of their new 3g network but have made a lot of decisions to try and limit bandwidth consumption like removing push internet from the device. But anyway it should work. My disclaimer is that policy changes constantly at T-Mobile so this may not always be so.
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Lol. Yea, that's probably true. I wish if we could have the push internet, but we'll get that with custom ROM's! Take that T-Mobile!
azwildcat98 said:
I am contemplating dumping my HTC Fuze and jumping ship from AT&T to T-Mobile just to get a Touch Pro 2, however I just got off the phone with T-Mo customer service and they informed me that you cannot tether the Touch Pro 2 to a laptop or use it as a modem.
Now I am sure the harware supports tethering and this is just something T-Mobile has decided to cripple, but how easy would it be to enable teathering? I hate the idea of paying $350 plus locking into a new contract and losing functionality from my Fuze!
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Tethering works. I have a Touch Pro 2 with the stock T-Mobile USA ROM. Despite what the T-Mobile representative says, the stock ROM contains the correct application to do this. Programs --> Internet Sharing.
Plug the Touch Pro 2 into your computer via USB and then hit "Connect". Bam, instant Internet tethering. Works well if you're in a bind.
T-Mobile does states exactly this:
"1. Permissible and Prohibited Uses
Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, tethering your device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted."
When I logged in to get details of my Data Plan, here is what I found:
"T-Mobile Total Internet
T-Mobile Total Internet includes unlimited Internet access on your phone, along with unlimited Internet access in T-Mobile HotSpot locations. Access your e-mail or browse the Web on your phone, or log on to wireless broadband access from a T-Mobile HotSpot in one of thousands of locations around the world using your Wi-Fi-enabled device."
I'm not inclined to poke this fire with T-Mobile as I have been a customer for a long time and have been nothing but happy with their customer service; and even before a put a cooked ROM on my last phone (wing) it had an internet connection sharing by default (bluetooth or USB only).
i tether on my 2.99 t-zone plan, they never said anything.
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i tether on my 2.99 t-zone plan, they never said anything.
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They won't ever say anything, lol, don't worry. Hell, I downloaded a 139 MB file to my TP2 a few days ago, it's not like they nock on my door, saying, are you the account holder of number ******???
Go ahead and tether all you want. If they do ask you, say you were downloading lots of music or something FROM YOUR PHONE. They can't prove anything.
PS, that's the $5.99 T-Zones, LOL. 2.99 would be incredible!
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Go ahead and tether all you want. If they do ask you, say you were downloading lots of music or something FROM YOUR PHONE. They can't prove anything.
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This is one blind statement if I ever heard one!
Tmobile IS your ISP. Tmobile KNOWS where you go and what you do.
Now, whether they will actually take the time to look through their logs and find out who's been going where, that's a different story.
But don't say they can't prove anything, because they can, and if they want to they will terminate your contract, and charge you the ETF on top.
FYI, I've been with Tmobile since they were VoiceStream. In fact I opened the account in Feb of 2001. Not to mention, at some point during my career I've actually managed the entire wireless account pool for a 150 people office, and most of them were on Tmobile. That should tell you something about my level of knowledge, as well as loyalty.
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PS, that's the $5.99 T-Zones, LOL. 2.99 would be incredible!
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Actually no, his is $2.99. At one point it WAS $2.99; however i have the $5.99 tzones and have used it to tether w/o any issue a few times
Hi, are there any other settings to configure internet sharing in win mobile, can't browse on my PC, but on my phone says it's connected
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Hi, are there any other settings to configure internet sharing in win mobile, can't browse on my PC, but on my phone says it's connected
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Start - Programs - Internet sharing.
LOL
The last post was too funny. Seriously though, T-Mobile has little in the way of "monitoring" what data is being sent to your phone. Its more of the amount thats an issue. T-Mobiles logic is that tethering will burn up bandwidth quicker which makes it more likely to hit the data cap and considering whats going on with ATT and the IPHONE bandwidth issue it makes sense. BUT if you monitor your bandwidth consumption and keep it under 10gb, I would say safer would be under 5gb a month then your not rocking the boat. And even when it hits the cap is throttles down to edge speeds anyway so I cant see an issue in this. Now if you live on tethering 24/7 then ya your gonna be pushing it. Customer care can see your data consumption in the system so just call um up and say hey I am worried I might be going over my data limit, lol they will be like blah i know how important blah blah it is to not go over. Then when they shut up they will say you used only 3gb this month so far so your doing fine blah blah blah. If T-Mobile had something in place to detect you tethering they wouldnt have made google remove the tether app from the market. Open source i guess means its open until you do something we think isnt right? I think its still bunk because what happens when someone hits the cap on there 3g phone. nada. And you would be surprised how under used T-Mobiles 3g network really is depending on the city. Theres some rumor that this was planned since the iphone may be going to other carriers soon. I will leave it at that.
I'm new to CDMA/EVDO carriers, so I'd appreciate if you could answer some questions with regarding to the technology, Verizon and Droid Incredible itself.
A little bit of a background here. I'm using Nexus One on T-Mobile. Coverage in Chicago has been o.k., but Nexus One itself has reception problem which Google seems to have stopped working on it. I'm planning to get a Mifi from Verizon soon as I need internet connection when I start to travel more.
But I have other idea, getting Droid Incredible, and drop T-Mobile. Tether it with my laptop while I'm on the go.
1:Would it be possible to use data & voice at the same time?
2:I'm planning to get PdaNet or some other app to tether it with my laptop. Should I worry about extra charge from Verizon?
3:What's the difference between corporate (44.99) and smartphone (29.99) data plan? I just need to reach IMAPS,HTTP,HTTPS, and PPTP(GRE) servers. Does Verizon block these on $29.99 plan? (Verizon sales are clueless. They just said $44.99 for business "like big business", and $29.99 is for personal use.
4:Rooting this phone. I assume that it's just the matter of time before it's released. But will there be any problem with Verizon?
5:Given Verizon history about being anal about controlling their phones. Did they block features on previous android handsets in the past? (i.e. no file xfer via BT, pics can only be sent via MMS, etc. etc.)
TIA for your answers. Given Verizon reputation of nickel & dime customers, I'm a little hesitated to switch to Verizon. But for now, it seems to make economical sense to do so, so I just wanted to make sure I understand what I'm signing up for.
1. should be able to afaik
2. you shouldnt need another app for that, youll pay extra through verizon to do it, or root the phone and you can do it without any extra charges
3. id go with the consumer pricing unless you find it isnt working for you, no sense on paying extra if it isnt needed
4. shouldnt be any problem with verizon and a rooted phone, ppl have been rooting droids and eris' since theyve been out
5. i doubt it, verizon cant control what happens to a rooted phone
some of your options may not be available until your phone is rooted, but it would definitely be worth the wait on such a sweet phone
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1. should be able to afaik
2. you shouldnt need another app for that, youll pay extra through verizon to do it, or root the phone and you can do it without any extra charges
3. id go with the consumer pricing unless you find it isnt working for you, no sense on paying extra if it isnt needed
4. shouldnt be any problem with verizon and a rooted phone, ppl have been rooting droids and eris' since theyve been out
5. i doubt it, verizon cant control what happens to a rooted phone
some of your options may not be available until your phone is rooted, but it would definitely be worth the wait on such a sweet phone
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Actually you can't use voice and data at the same time on VZW, but how often do you really need to?
1. No
2. PDANet will work fine - or once rooted you might not even need that. It's against Verizon's TOS to tether, but as long as you don't abuse it they won't know.
3. Get the cheaper plan - the more expensive plan is just a way for them to milk corp customers. You can use Exchange/etc with the cheaper plan.
4. You should be able to root it no problem once the devs get on it.
5. I don't think so - that's in Verizon's past for Smartphones. Heck I had a Motorola Q years ago on Verizon and I could do whatever I pleased...even tethering with PDANet...
about high prices
Thats why im staying with my nexous one
my wife is with verizon and we got her phone today and its really nice i cant tell at all a difference between the nexous one and the droid but
there basically the same phones
the nexous one is faster but then again it rooted
but i only pay $80 month for unlimited and she is paying $129 for unlimited
i dont care what i paid for my nexous im off contract and dont have to pay 129 dollars a month
I'll hijack the thread for a little question I have and I don't want to open another thread for it.
Are you able to use the widgets that were introduced with the stock 2.1? For example that News & Weather widget or are they fully replaced / not integrated by HTC in the Sense UI?
If not, are you able to add them with apps or alternative OS versions through rooting?
Thanks for the answers guys.
@Zabil : Quite often (when I travel). This is quite an important issue if I am getting this phone as "phone + data card" combo to save $$$
@sn95chico : I've had some problem with incoming call being diverted to voice mail due to background data (GSM, not WCDMA) recently. Just in case you experience this problem, check this thread out : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6301190
I read somewhere that for CDMA/1x/EVDO, your phone will still ring when data transfer is in progress, it will only be interrupted once you hit the answer button. This is first and only technological edge that CDMA has over GSM network, IMO. I've always been a fan of GSM/WCDMA network. --- (WCDMA network supports concurrent voice/data. Too bad that there's no 100% WCDMA network in US)
Since concurrent data + voice is impossible, it doesn't make much sense for me to switch to this phone yet. I might just get Verizon or Sprint mifi and be done with it.
Just a few days ago, Verizon was having a sale on their site. Get a free KIN TwoM with a 2 year contract. I think its because they've almost emptied their inventory of KINs,but there's still some left. Apple usually clears out inventory of phones by reducing them to $99. After their inventory is cleared, what will happen? I want to know what you guys think.
I think that they should sell the phone for 50$ and they would still get cash for it (nobody wants it in responsability rofl). the 2 year contract for this phone idea just made me laugh.
And yes, we all know about expiring date: soon.
Honestly i think there will be a higher demand, i was the first one in my area to own a Kin device and now all of my friends who don't want a data plan want the kin. It's the closest to a smartphone without a dataplan and is by far the BEST feature phone verizon has. I look at the reviews and laugh at all the people b*tching about this phone. Why would they be complaining when it's a cheap and very good feature phone? people complain about everything these days.
Let me explain: Original creation, aka Microsoft doesnt make more Kin OS related shipments, Sharp doesnt create more phisical devices and Verizon thinks that it sucks (and hides it). Unless you can do magic, the only devices you will see are stock or refurbised.
They are just cleaning the dust for it. Also, i just pointed at 2year contract thing, too much time imo.
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Let me explain: Original creation, aka Microsoft doesnt make more Kin OS related shipments, Sharp doesnt create more phisical devices and Verizon thinks that it sucks (and hides it). Unless you can do magic, the only devices you will see are stock or refurbised.
They are just cleaning the dust for it. Also, i just pointed at 2year contract thing, too much time imo.
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yeah, I saw that it is Out-of-Stock on Verizon. Its a shame that this phone is basically dead. Even as it is, I believe that this is Verizon's best feature phone. The addition of wi-fi just makes it kick ass. And a 600-MHz processor? Damn that's fast for a feature phone. I think that given time and if rumours spread that the device can run homebrew apps and a CFW (made by our community) this phone would spread like wild-fire.
I just received to Kin TWOm's this morning from Verizon. Me and my wife both had upgrades due so she ordered them. I love the phone to be honest. Just wish It was hacked & could play games.
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I just received to Kin TWOm's this morning from Verizon. Me and my wife both had upgrades due so she ordered them. I love the phone to be honest. Just wish It was hacked & could play games.
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if you're connected over wi-fi, I do believe that you can play Java games. But, being a feature phone, there's not much you can ask for. Hopefully we can get things moving along and get past the write-protection on this device.
Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.
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Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.
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Why can't Microsoft just understand that this project was a failure. And since they're not going to continue the project, they might as well hand it over to the community. The community knows what it wants, and the community can develop their own software so the phone becomes better. All this phone needs is custom applications, that will solve problems of games, tools, and entertainment (youtube and what not).
If we all make a petition or something like that, pressuring Microsoft to give us a minute of their attention. Maybe then, they might give us some sort of code or access to the phone.
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If we all make a petition or something like that, pressuring Microsoft to give us a minute of their attention. Maybe then, they might give us some sort of code or access to the phone.
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We're starting a petition on the Kin TwoM Programming FaceBook Page.
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Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.
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It doesn't matter if your data is blocked when you connect via Wi-Fi. Verizon can't stop you from accessing Wi-Fi networks they don't own, they can only block you from using their 3G network for data (besides your calls, texts, etc).
I didnt know that I thought no matter what if you connect any data through the phone even with Wifi some how this will get to verizon & I will be charged for Data. Verizons data plans are trash so I dont want to get data with them
No, if Verizon could charge me for using my own Wi-Fi, I would be throwing stones through the windows at their corporate headquarters. Just use "Wireless Controls" under "Settings", and turn Wi-Fi on. Select a network to connect to, if it doesn't automatically find one, you can go to "other" underneath the Wi-Fi pane and find a network manually.
See I did not know that because Im just really getting into phones so this is my really first true phone. I called verizon twice & asked this same question "If I disable my Data plan" can I connect through Wifi on someone elses network & not get charged.
Both people said If i disable my Data Plan (which I dont currently have anyways) They said I would I would be charged no matter what if I connect through Wifi. Maybe thats just an attempt to force to purchase a data plan.
@4LC4PON3
You can just put your phone in airplane mode and then turn on wifi. This way, there's no chance you'll get charged while using wifi.
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Both people said If i disable my Data Plan (which I dont currently have anyways) They said I would I would be charged no matter what if I connect through Wifi. Maybe thats just an attempt to force to purchase a data plan.
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Simple Answer: You don't get charged for wi-fi and they can't charge you for data if it is deactivated
Explanation: That is a complete lie and whoever you were talking to must both be complete idiots. Verizon has NO way to know if you're using wi-fi or not. If they charged anyone for using wi-fi, no one would buy a smartphone from Verizon. And, if you disable your data, they cannot charge you for it. If no data is being sent to Verizon's network, then there are no charges, makes sense right? And, if you're on wi-fi which does not belong to Verizon, how would they know? Wi-fi is a short-range frequency and they would not even be able to tell if it is activated unless they put a chip in every single device that is wi-fi enabled to track it, which they do not. BUT, if you have a weak wi-fi signal, your device might drop the wi-fi connection and just hop over to 3G. Or, if you use a Verizon wi-fi zone (airports, hotels, etc) then they can charge you.
@Iggy95
I read that if you put your phone in airplane mode then you cannot send or receive pics when txting.
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@Iggy95
I read that if you put your phone in airplane mode then you cannot send or receive pics when txting.
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Airplane mode disables the 3G (Verizon) connection. You can't send or receive phone calls, SMS (text), or MMS (pics/videos). Airplane mode is the same thing as turning your phone off, as far as Verizon's visibility of it.
Seems to be mixed reviews that some can and some cannot. So what's the deal?
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Mine will let me but my web browser takes me to a page asking me to sign up for the Tethering service at $14.95/month.
Suppose the answer to the question is technically *yes*
I paid the upgrade for tethering, though I think it is a bit of bait and switch (their literature certainly wasn't clear, and my plan allowed it on my Vibrant with no complaint). But it is too important a function for me not to have. If I were a new customer, I would opt for it as well (unless some other carrier didn't charge extra). Frankly, I don't see why they can't just charge by the gigabyte (why should they care if you are streaming videos to your cell phone or to your PC?), but it seems this is the current convention.
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I paid the upgrade for tethering, though I think it is a bit of bait and switch (their literature certainly wasn't clear, and my plan allowed it on my Vibrant with no complaint). But it is too important a function for me not to have. If I were a new customer, I would opt for it as well (unless some other carrier didn't charge extra). Frankly, I don't see why they can't just charge by the gigabyte (why should they care if you are streaming videos to your cell phone or to your PC?), but it seems this is the current convention.
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If the carriers can charge you for something they will. It's as if 1GB on PC > 1GB on Phone. I assume that once we get root on these phones we'll be able to tether for free the same way I was able to on my Vibrant.
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If the carriers can charge you for something they will. It's as if 1GB on PC > 1GB on Phone. I assume that once we get root on these phones we'll be able to tether for free the same way I was able to on my Vibrant.
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That should be the case. It's hard to go from 2 years (roughly of course) of using all sorts of awesome roms on the HD2 to this locked up guy. Here's to the future though, cheers.
Yes, I can.
I can. No app needed. Built right in the stock rom
I see another difference from previous tethering on the Vibrant: from the T-Mobile support page:
"When your phone is serving as a Wi-Fi hotspot for otherdevices, you cannot access the Internet on the phone itself."
It seems that it isn't completely true: I can listen to Internet radio, use Firefox, at least some of the time. The Android Market seems to fail consistently, however (just hangs "loading...").
Does anyone understand why this change has been made, or what is it's purpose?
i still don't quite can figure out why some people are able to teather as is without root
yet, some other are unable to teather
it's something in the phone plan that you guys have?, or simply the SIM card? or maybe it's on the account side in Tmobile?
I put the new SIM in my nexus and tethered fine when I couldn't from this phone.
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Its in the wireless And Network settings under 'mobile hotspot'
Just tried to tether again this morning, it didn't work. It asks me to now add the plan.... Tethering was working.
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I suppose that in order to ask us to sign onto tethering, the data must be going through the phone already, so they must have some filter in place that detects that fact and blocks further data, pending your decision.
Theres definitely something with the sim card. Used the sim from my mt4g and tethering would start and the automatically turn off a few seconds later. Activated the new sim and now it stays on but directs me to the site to purchse the service. Bummer.
We need to root this thing quickly.
Wonder if that's one of the reasons why tmo wants us to use the sim included.
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...Tethering service at $14.95/month.
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Holy crap. I pay less than that for unlimited data. That's more than half of what a full data plan costs on T-Mobile. I take it not may people buy it. I'm guessing some of the custom ROMs will port over native tethering from the international SGS2. I wonder if T-Mobile flags tethering for people not on a legit tethering plan?
I tried to tether my Touchpad but got the T-Mobile page saying to add tethering. Gotta wait for root to get free tethering and utilize those fast data speeds!
i was doing some reserach on this and figured out how t-mobile does it. if you noticed when you turn on tethering a popup generates and after you enable it the 4g disappears for a bit, apparently in the software the phone disconnect your current apn, epc.tmobile.com and changes to another apn built into the phone software which checks for the 14.99 feature so yea sucks hopefully once root is established we can get around this. if you want to test this turn on wifi tether and then go to your apn and try to select the epc.tmobile apn bubble it will go on and then disconnect immediately
Has anyone tried any other APN's?
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Here in the USA, T-Mobile charges $9.95/m for tethering. I chatted with T-Mobile asking them how come I cannot tether (brought to their promo page) and I was told that T-Mobile will be enforcing the T&Cs regarding tethering... that is, it's not allowed unless you pay for it.
I told them that my Vibrant and G2x tethered just fine to what he responded that this will change in the near future. He said that with the introduction of the SGS2 they will start to clamp down on tethering without a tethering plan.
Mind you, this is one T-Mo CSR and I don't know if it will really be policy. However, it's pretty clear that this is the case at least for the SGS2.
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too much off topic bs.
Samsung devices don't need anything backed up as far as wimax is considered ...
So one little question, what's the benefit of changing the wimax Mac? I assume spoofing, but why? Serious question lol
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squshy 7 said:
Samsung devices don't need anything backed up as far as wimax is considered ...
So one little question, what's the benefit of changing the wimax Mac? I assume spoofing, but why? Serious question lol
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In addition, changing the Mac address is going to screw things up since Sprint's numbering/handset system uses that to route and authenticate wimax traffic. Why the hell would you want to do this?
I guess spoofing another 4G Wimax device... but not only would you have to spoof the wimax info but you'd have to spoof everything else as well....
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THIS THREAD IS TO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT NOT QUESTION WHY.
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Sounds like your wanting to do some dirty deeds dirt cheap.
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I'm not buying this...isnt this like esn cloning? Which is illegal here and In General?
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this has nothing to do with backing up files for safety. I want to use a different MAC address than the current one written to the phone. On the Epic 4G this was a STOCK option. I just want to see it back.
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An option that was put there by Samsung in the original Epic 4G illegal? No.
Stealing someones MAC address to use as your own illegal? Yes.
See the difference? Editing a MAC address is not illegal. The MAC address is not the ESN. It is not the sole hardware identification ID. The ESN editing legal/illegal debate is for another time/place.
All the wannabe lawyers can go elsewhere. Nothing here is illegal.
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Ok - so you want to use a different MAC address from say a Wimax laptop on your phone instead of the MAC address already there. Fine - makes some sense. But how are you going to activate the phone? It needs to pull a profile from Sprint, and it uses 1xRTT first to do so in order to validate a number of other things associated with the device before it finishes the "Update profile" task. The way Sprint's system is, all of those things are tied together at the ESN level - so how would this work? How would this help with CM7+?
And you're right - it's not the sole hardware identification. But let me break this down for you:
Subcriber relates to a ESN/Phone#/MSID combination
ESN relates to MEID, MAC address, manufacturer, model, etc.
Just changing the MAC address isn't going to help you since you've now broken the relationships and the provisioning and routing path. So what's really at play here?
EDIT: Oh - and sure the option was there on the Epic 4G - but it wasn't for the user, but for the Sprint/Samsung tech's and provisioning, etc. You just happen to be able to get there because someone dumped the # codes needed and you have your MSL. Does not mean it was provided for you and should be something you should mess around with. I mean, sure - a shotgun has a barrel you can look down but that doesn't mean it was meant for you to do so... just ask Mr. Cobain.
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The phone doesn't need to be activated on Sprint's network at all. Throw out all the standard thinking that you have to buy this at a Sprint store and tie it to a Sprint contract. I can walk into a Best Buy and buy the phone off contract. The WiMAX radio on our phones works independently from the CDMA/EVDO/WIFI/BT radios. An unactivated phone with working WiMAX still gets working data. Think SIP calls, Google Voice SMS, Internet Browsing, Email, Netflix/Hulu/HBO Go, Kindle, Google Music, Google Maps, Twitter, Camera/Cam w/Flickr support etc.. all over free/cheap WiFi/WiMAX-only connection. Oh, and all this fits in your pocket.
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Yep - you can use this phone without data via Wifi as well. My question, and it will help in this discussion, is how are you going to provision this phone? Just changing the MAC address is not going to allow the provisioning you need. This phone was programmed to interact with the specific Ensemble provisioning system put together by Amdocs for Sprint Nextel (and subsequently Boost and VM). You can't just provision Wimax from say Clearwire (because they're the only other Wimax provider in the US - and it's still just Sprint) on it without their provisioning program. It's all well and good to clone a MAC address - but just cloning a MAC address isn't going to resolve that provisioning that will need to take place, i.e. placement of RSA keys, etc. The Evo hack had to duplicate that transaction - but the framework was already there. You're talking about duplicating a framework for something that exists that we're not sure how (which is a good thing to learn how Samsung is doing it) and then trying to apply it to an entirely different provisioning schema... See what I am getting at?
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Any further development for WiMAX for either the Epic and Epic Touch would be beneficial to both communities. This project, if accomplished, would help the Epic's CM development as they do not have WiMAX working yet. That would, in return, help the Epic Touch's CM WiMAX development in the future when it comes time for that. We as a community have no info of how WiMAX works with Samsung phones. The Evo and all other HTC devices had their phones explored.. WiMAX partitions found.. extracted.. backed up.. edited.. etc etc. And after all of that knowledge look how long it still took to get 4G working with CM7 on the Evo. Yet the Samsung phones have none of this. A project like this might give another dev thats not involved with CM a chance and possibly be a huge break to us all. We've all been told that our WiMAX isn't like HTC's and we don't have to back it up.. or worry about it.. etc etc. But why? How's it work? No one's curious? Unacceptable. I'm not saying you have to care about this project or be involved... but all the nay sayers.. think outside the box or go away. This is my thread and no rules are being broken.
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Curiosity is great. Not saying it's not. By all means investigate! I hope people do. But don't get your panties in a bunch when someone questions your logic - and tell them to go away.
autoprime said:
Ok, so like you said.. its not the sole identifier and it's in no way illegal to modify the MAC address. BUT, just changing the MAC address IS going to help me since I'm only looking to get on a WiMAX network. Sprint provisioning isn't required at that point so throw all of that out the window.
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See the above and throw it all back in the window because you need the Wimax provisioning process from the OTHER provider (i.e. still Sprint in a round about way)....
autoprime said:
As far as the menus being for technicians only... it came with my phone. Officially sold by Samsung to me, the consumer. You do not need your MSL to run WiMAXLineTest.apk on the Epic 4G. Simply run the .apk and write a new MAC address. No elevated privileges are required. Any user that owns the stock phone can do this. This wasn't a special dev phone leaked.. or something acquired illegally... this is the RETAIL PHONE! Every phone on this forum has official bootloaders removed and replaced, roms tweaked and apps ripped from one phone and put on another. This is nothing different.
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This would technically be classified as something different since XDA does not endorse nor allow telling someone how to mimic another ESN, i.e. a stolen or bad ESN. So you're treading a thin line here
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...and yes, Kurt Cobain killed himself with a shotgun but that doesn't mean owning a shotgun will lead to suicide for everyone that owns or uses one. Know how to use a gun and it can be safe and possibly beneficial. I understand CDMA networks. I understand WiMAX networks. I understand 1x and EVDO. I understand authentication. I am only looking to use the hardware that I own the way I'd like to use it. WiMAX will be around for at least another 2-3 years at minimum.. any that's only by Sprint! There are other WiMAX networks this hardware can work on beyond those 2-3 years.
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Yep - good plan. We all want to use what we purchased. More power to you. But don't for a second think that your plea's to be left alone and not be questioned about your hypothesis or motives will in some way be granted so that you can say or do whatever you want. Challenging an idea, aka playing devils advocate, is NEEDED for anything to be improved, changed, discovered, etc.
I skipped to the end here. On the Epic you had to have 4g on when changing MAC address. I assume you tried that already. I just saw the Wifi icon in screenies...Sprint actually puts some sort of extra layer (proxy?) in there. I changed my Epic to my straight Clear MAC and averaged 1 to 1.5Mbps faster download but always went back to my Sprint MAC because most of Clear's plans have 1Mbps upload cap.
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I can see how this would benefit a lot of people. Being able to change the WiMAX settings on a phone branded for one carrier and running on another carrier would be a great option, for example someone buys a refurbished phone from say... an "authorized Boost Mobile dealer" but the phone doesn't have WiMAX, Being able to edit those settings to enable WiMAX in some way would be great. I'll be watching this thread for updates keep up the good work kids.
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I can see how this would benefit a lot of people. Being able to change the WiMAX settings on a phone branded for one carrier and running on another carrier would be a great option, for example someone buys a refurbished phone from say... an "authorized Boost Mobile dealer" but the phone doesn't have WiMAX, Being able to edit those settings to enable WiMAX in some way would be great. I'll be watching this thread for updates keep up the good work kids.
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That right there is 100% illegal.
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Really.. How would it be illegal?
Sprint wont allow you to get a contract without a hefty deposit and the customer service agent mentions Boost or Virgin. Check.
Boost mobile "retailer" has an Epic 4G for sale with no WiMAX, Ok, nice phone but I want 4g.
Clear (A Sprint owned company) Offers 4g access nationwide.
I buy my phone, Its activated from a retailer on a sprint owned network. Editing the WiMAX settings to change the realm and activating that on Clear is not illegal as you are NOT cloning someone elses information. You're legally enabling your information to be processed through an alternate carrier.
Now if someone was running around ripping peoples phones apart just to get free WiMAX then yes we would have a problem, but this isn't the case here, and before you spout off about apples and oranges this same example can be applied to rooting your damn phone. You're changing something to enable more functionality of a device you paid for.
Guys this works 100% I know for a fact it does since I've done it myself to another phone and I'm sure it's completely legal as long as the Mac address is your own. autoprime check your PMs please.