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Hi guys!
I haven't yet rooted my Desire(I would have but I was fool enough to install the 2.2 OTA).The main reason for me to root would be the ability to overclock my device.All this time that I have been around here on the Desire and Nexus One forums I have been seeing that our devices are overclocked only up to 1113MHz and only in very rare cases 1267MHz.However,to my great surprise,I noticed on OpenDesire ROM's thread that the Desire can be overclocked @1344MHz(which of course made me think a big HELL YEAH!).Is that number ok for all of us or for some select few?I remember from my Hero days that only some few,lucky guys like myself could overclock up to 768MHz,although there were cases of people,rare,yet not unheard of,that could overclock @844MHz.Is this the case here or are things different with the Snapdragon?
Many many thanks guys!
C'mon guys,no one?
tolis626 said:
I have been seeing that our devices are overclocked only up to 1113MHz and only in very rare cases 1267MHz.
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I don't think overclocking to 1267MHz happens in rare cases. I had no problems oc-ing to 1267 and it seems that a lot of forum member were able to do this too.
Why don't you downgrade your HBoot to 0.80, root your phone and try it out?
Just make sure your phone does not become too hot if you try 1344MHz.
I have to ask the question, but does it really matter?
IMHO, the Desire is plenty fast enough that overclocking it simply isn't necessary.
I can understand underclocking to eek out more battery life, but other than gaining a few points on some benchmarks, I really don't see the point in overclocking.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
I have to ask the question, but does it really matter?
IMHO, the Desire is plenty fast enough that overclocking it simply isn't necessary.
I can understand underclocking to eek out more battery life, but other than gaining a few points on some benchmarks, I really don't see the point in overclocking.
Regards,
Dave
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so this, its really not needed at all. a decent fast rom and 1ghz is more than enought for things to be super speedy. any decent kernal will provide more than enough speed.
overclocking(and lots of other things these days!) reminds me of that bit in jurassic park where they are all sat around the table and geoff goldblum says:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should".
herein lies the lesson, just because you can do it doesnt mean you should do it.
Well,I have my reasons wanting to overclock...First off,I will check if I can see any difference in speed or smoothness.If there isn't,I will just revert the clock back to normal after some benchmarks.
I just am the kind of guy that wants to get the most out of his phone!
I think ALL Desires can overclock to 1267Mhz. It's not that rare and I've not seen anyone having a problem with it.
It does make things a bit snappier as well.
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I think ALL Desires can overclock to 1267Mhz. It's not that rare and I've not seen anyone having a problem with it.
It does make things a bit snappier as well.
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That's what I'm talkin' about man!
And now that I think of it,it's not that much.I mean,the Hero could overclock @768,which is 45% overclocking.The Desire's 1267 is about 27% and 1344 is about 34,5%.Nothing too much!So why not?
Every CPU is different. The Qualcomm Snapdragon is a very different beast compared to the Qualcomm MSM 7200A.
We are just starting to learn what we can do with the Snapdragon without damaging it.
Kinma said:
Every CPU is different. The Qualcomm Snapdragon is a very different beast compared to the Qualcomm MSM 7200A.
We are just starting to learn what we can do with the Snapdragon without damaging it.
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Well my man,in this case the MSM7200A is no beast but rather a pooch that barks to no avail!Good pet however!
Joking aside,the Snapdragon is a beast for a mobile phone,but even beasts get beaten.Now,if I can somehow reach or even get close to the performance of the Galaxy S or the Droid X I'll be happy.Software wise I believe that HTC is far superior ,but it's hardware is a little out of date.Let's see what their new devices will do for us!
Btw,does anyone know if the so anticipated HTC Ace will be anything better than what we already have or if it will be the Evo for GSM users?
Thanks!
The desire is plenty fast as it is and I don't see the point of overclocking it. I've had it to 1267 in the past and it made no difference at all for usability. I'm also the type that overclocks all his computers...
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Personal preferences dude...What everyone does with their phone is their own business.I wish I could resist overclocking too!
However,I was watching a thread over at the N1 forums in which a dude named Storm9999(genius dude,not just a random one) stated that an overclock @1,3GHz could fry our phones.Is that so?I mean,I know overclocking reduces the CPU's lifetime,but is it THAT MUCH dangerous?
I think overclocking can kill your phone.. I use to overclock my own o2 orbit and it died after a year..
Friend of mine just burned his old HTC by overclocking it and as a consequence is going to buy a desire.
I had my phone overclocked at 1345Mhz for a moment, just to test it, and it made no real difference to when it was overclocked at around 1.2Ghz, which in turn has very very little difference to stock 1Ghz.
I think the only case where you see some small impact is in games.
I've tested HD recording at 1.345 Ghz and stock speed and there was no difference.
If anything, it's going to kill your battery and shorten its life for sure, going so high. If ever I will OC again I won't go over 1.1 and only if I find some tangible improvements.
As said, this phone is always fast, there is no real need to OC, other than for 'fun'.
The fun is what I want...Well,most probably I will have my phone overclocked at the maximum speed it can get for about a week or two and then go back to 1 or 1,1GHz...
Btw,your signature kicks ass andycted!
Just wondering if anybody has tried this kernel yet? Found it over on AndroidMobileJunkie.com (Followed a link in somebody's sig here n XDA that said 1.28Ghz so naturally I was curious lol) Anyways, here's the link for the post over on AMJ. http://forum.androidmobilejunkie.com/threads/kernel-ziggy471-droid-incredible-22-oct.11/
yea ziggy's kernel. It's been in discussion in both of the Desire rom port threads. 1.28 is very rough on the processor though, and mostly unstable for a lot of people's phones (mine included), even ziggy admits it's a risky business, but he has proven it is possible.
I am so tempted to try this, but I'm afraid to fry my phone. My go big or go home mentality may make me give in. Wish there was someone who posted on the thread link
I ran it. No problems a 1.28 but really didn't use it long. Here's my Quadrant post in the Desire Z port thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8775977&postcount=168
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I'd imagine that clocking the processor that high wouldn't make much difference than say, 1.19GHz.
In fact, in plenty of ROMs I've tried, anything clocking over 1152mhz actually gives me a decrease in my quadrant scores. Not to say its not a stability issue - I'd assume that most Snapdragons actually clock higher than 998mhz, but then are reduced because that's baseline performance, anything less than 998mhz would get kicked.
I've never had a ROM crash, even running at 1.19GHz, but didn't notice any performance gains, plus, unless you just happen to get a chip that is capable of 1.28GHz no problem, it's probably near bottle-neck anyway.
And Quadrant has several variables way outside of clock speed that can pull 1800's, including just your flavor ROM.
Bottom Line: It's not worth frying your phone just for a barely-existent performance gain. If you happen to have a processor that is incapable of stability at 1.28GHz, you might fry out some transistors, then get stuck with something that freezes if you clock it over 700, let alone the 998 stock.
For me personally 1.28 is no improvement over 1.152. In fact, it gives me worse benchmarks.
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I gave this kernel a try and I actually prefer the newest HTC 2.6.32.17 charging time has significantly decreased battery life has increased and the performance is really responsive and smooth. My quadrant scores are nothing impressive pretty average but I would rather all of the above than a high quadrant.
I tried this kernal and my camera stopped working...
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I gave this kernel a try and I actually prefer the newest HTC 2.6.32.17 charging time has significantly decreased battery life has increased and the performance is really responsive and smooth. My quadrant scores are nothing impressive pretty average but I would rather all of the above than a high quadrant.
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Lou hit the nail on the head. I love the .17 kernel. Im using the new guy with great performance, battery life, charging, and neat transitions. its like a new phone.
I'm using this with a vanilla froyo ROM and my battery life is amazing. Haven't noticed any freezing or any program not working.
Wow!
Thanks for all the replies guys, I think for now I'm gonna stick with the stock kernel also, I just remember back when I used to run KxK's kernels seeing great benchmarks and battery life I was always wondering if there were any faster out there lol
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Thanks for all the replies guys, I think for now I'm gonna stick with the stock kernel also, I just remember back when I used to run KxK's kernels seeing great benchmarks and battery life I was always wondering if there were any faster out there lol
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There's always faster, the question is will they work. lol
When I'm running the newer Sense ports, HD or Z, I can only run 1.113, no matter how much or little voltage I give it. When I'm running an older one, I can go all the way up.
As for stability at 1.28G, I need to work on the voltage more, to find the sweet spot, I just did it 'cause Jugs said one of his Bravo buds had it working, so I had to try.
I'll keep playing with it if people are still interested, otherwise, I'll just keep at the lower speeds.
Z
Just loaded up your AOSP on Ruby 1.1.4. Running great, 1600 in Quad at 1ghz. Everything seems really smooth. Are the voltages undervolted at 1ghz? Maybe you could start your own thread?
Nevermind...found it!
ziggy471 said:
There's always faster, the question is will they work. lol
When I'm running the newer Sense ports, HD or Z, I can only run 1.113, no matter how much or little voltage I give it. When I'm running an older one, I can go all the way up.
As for stability at 1.28G, I need to work on the voltage more, to find the sweet spot, I just did it 'cause Jugs said one of his Bravo buds had it working, so I had to try.
I'll keep playing with it if people are still interested, otherwise, I'll just keep at the lower speeds.
Z
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By the way, my post wasn't meant to disrespect your efforts to 1.28GHz, I'm just giving fair warning that someone could possibly burn out their phone if they jack it up all the way. When I'm ready for an upgrade, I'll probably put this thing to the max.
Thanks Ziggy
hajabooja said:
Just loaded up your AOSP on Ruby 1.1.4. Running great, 1600 in Quad at 1ghz. Everything seems really smooth. Are the voltages undervolted at 1ghz? Maybe you could start your own thread?
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What AOSP kernel??? I only see one kernel, and it references skyraider, which leads me to believe it is a sense kernel
edit: I am dumb. It is a different thread on the same site as listed above
http://forum.androidmobilejunkie.com/threads/kernel-ziggy471-droid-incredible-aosp-23-oct.24/
rmaccamr said:
By the way, my post wasn't meant to disrespect your efforts to 1.28GHz, I'm just giving fair warning that someone could possibly burn out their phone if they jack it up all the way. When I'm ready for an upgrade, I'll probably put this thing to the max.
Thanks Ziggy
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I didn't take it as such, and I agree with you fully. I prefer somewhere between 1.113 and 1.15. That's the reason I included the init script to set the max at 1.113, which I find very stable and fast, hell I'd say 1865 quad with ID's Z port isn't too shabby at 1.13.
I should be able to get 1.28 more stable with playing with the voltages, it's just that takes time, and I wasted too much this morning doing both AOSP INC and Evo kernels, so I'm worn out for awhile on kernels. I still need to fix the Evo for puertoblack, since it appears I left the debug port out, so no adb for it. lol
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I bet everyone has heard of the droid 2 and X being overclocked to crazy speeds right? Well... how come the Incredible hasn't reached those speeds?!?! Im sure some awesome dev could probably achieve this! There are many Inc owners who would like... scratch that... LOVE this speed increase, and im sure they wouldn't mind donating to the truly amazing dev who does this. Now the question is... whose willing to do it?
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The problem is that our phones can't handle those speeds mine cant handle anything over 1.113
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The problem is that our phones can't handle those speeds mine cant handle anything over 1.113
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That doesn't mean we can't try! Lol
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You could probably achieve this. Except you'd be buying another phone after your incredible spontaneously combusts from this kind of overclocking. Motorola phones use a different line of processors, OMAP from Texas Instruments rather than the Snapdragons.
then why with D2 or X's is that possible?
Because the Droid 2 and X use completely different processors made by completely different companies. We have a Qualcomm Snapdragon they have Texas Instruments OMAP.
No, see. Those speeds are fake. There's no way a mobile processor with today's technology could handle speeds of 2GHz or higher. 1.6Ghz is the highest I've seen on the X/2, and it wasn't very stable. That's why these "overclock apps" for the Droid X/2 only have options for 1.4GHz max.
Fake... plain and simple... you can't even overclock a PC processor 1.5ghz above its stock speed without some serious cooling. You really believe that a phone, with no fan/water/cooling of any kind can do it?
I am not a dev but my first degree was in engineering 20years ago. So when I say that its extremely unlikely that any of the massive OC stories are true I am talking from knowledge of engineering processes. 30-40% OC seems to be in the realm of reality. Beyond that, you enter the land of the bovine excrement.
First of all, as an engineer you simply do not design these chips with that much OC'ing being possible. Up to 40% OC seems possible - I would actually predict that some time in the near future we will be able to run the chips in the inc at 1.3 - stable. Expecting anything more is silly. If it was possible to run them at those speeds, guess what, they would have released them as 1.5 or 2 GHz chips.
Secondly, even if you were to temporarily be able to run them at substantially higher frequencies than what we can see them get to right now, they would be extremely unstable and would run hot very quickly. Thats too big a risk to take. In the best case scenario, you will just have a bricked device - replacing which will cost you $500-600. In the worst case, you will burn your hand and/or your face.
I would recommend that the OP volunteers his money, device(s), body and brains towards finding just how far we can OC an incredible. In the meantime I am happy to sit on the sidelines and implement solutions which are more logical and less quixotic.
wow LOL sounds cool to me just wondering, thank you!
IMO, Over clocking is over rated. You end up with reboots, crashes, and an unreliable phone.
I see a lot of people more concerned with quadrant scores than good battery life. Some of them expect both. I for one think the incredible is fast enough already, especially coming from a storm 1.
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To be honest i do notice a little bit of a speedup when I had mine overclocked to 1.15. But of course less battery life is a trade off with that. I am running the newest HTC stock kernel, no OC, and am very happy with battery life and speed. The phone would absolutely FLY with an OC of 1.5ghz or higher. But as someone said, if it was made to do that, they would have just put a 1.5ghz chip in there to begin with.
Are you guys planning to make kernal that runs from 1.6ghz to 2.0 ghz?
I managed to get 1.7GHz going but due to reasons of sanity/safety I will not personally be releasing a kernel that is capable of that. Another dev can use my source and easily modify it for those speeds.
Well hopefully one of u developer backup a file for us because i want to run faster then 1.4ghz.
I've been able to reach 1.4 GHz but is unstable for me. 1 GHz is fine and I think there's not much gain/benefit from it getting any faster. We'll end up comparing how things boot/run in miliseconds and then complain about it.
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I guess but i want the speed so i can trash talk to iphone users some more.
add119 said:
I guess but i want the speed so i can trash talk to iphone users some more.
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No need for trash talking, let the numbers do the talking =D
Although there is an iphone fan boy in my Chemistry class that deserves it lol.
I doubt we'll see 2Ghz, but who am I to say we cant?
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I've been able to reach 1.4 GHz but is unstable for me. 1 GHz is fine and I think there's not much gain/benefit from it getting any faster. We'll end up comparing how things boot/run in miliseconds and then complain about it.
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I notice the benefit from 1ghz to 1.4ghz for certain apps, especially emulators like psx4droid. There is a big difference in sound and overall smoothness.
Word u should go show off the speed that your phone is at. Dont tell him that your rooted lolz
I wouldnt be surprise that the g2 get that speed. Remember the old g1 got to 825mhz and original droid got up to 1.4 ghz from it 600mhz cortex processor.
It very possible that the g2 will be at least 1.7 to 1.8 ghz.
So, Im sure this was answered somewhere, and I searched all over.
With that said, why cant the Evo be overclocked past the standard 1.19 or 1.2? I know stability is an issue, but there are other ARM processors that can OC almost double. Is the Evo ARM processor just not able to handle anything past that?
Does anyone know?
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You cannot compare the processor in teh Evo to other similar processors. Every single processor is different, and overclocking the evo past those speeds could brick it.
Why would you want to overclock that far? The Evo has no ventilation and crappy power management, even with an extended battery. You're taking an already unstable system and pushing it to the edge. Not only will your phone overheat and freeze, but you can permanently damage the hardware.
I know every processor is different and each one has their own limits.
There is always a risk of bricking and damaging the actual hardware, but what im asking is, in theory, and a practical test, can you push the evo processor past the 1.19 that seems to be the limit (im not talking about going huge, but is there a possibility of being able to hit the 1.5Ghz?). Because there are certain frequencies that are not stable, but ones slightly past that could be stable.
Just throwing it out there.
A car traveling at 120 MPH is not as easy to control as a car doing the speed limit.
try it out n see what happens n then report back ur findings for others that have the same question and cannot find an answer anywhere
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A car traveling at 120 MPH is not as easy to control as a car doing the speed limit.
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good analogy but that doesnt help anything.
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try it out n see what happens n then report back ur findings for others that have the same question and cannot find an answer anywhere
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I would, but all the kernels that the Devs have developed have either a limit put on them, or they havent been able to allow it to OC that far
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good analogy but that doesnt help anything.
I would, but all the kernels that the Devs have developed have either a limit put on them, or they havent been able to allow it to OC that far
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I was wondering this too. It would be nice to have the option to push it over 1.19ghz, I'll be the test dummy.
My Evo can handle 1228 fairly well but can tell its not as stable as say 1190. 1190 MHz is no prob...1267 usually crashes after a run or 3 in quadrant. 1113 runs niiiice for me and my 0004 evo
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My Evo can handle 1228 fairly well but can tell its not as stable as say 1190. 1190 MHz is no prob...1267 usually crashes after a run or 3 in quadrant. 1113 runs niiiice for me and my 0004 evo
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I can run 1190 just fine. Can a Dev possibly create a kernel that allows us to go past 1.2whatever.
I can't go up to 1.19 stabley
Gimme a couple a days to come up with a new sig that is cool.
if I pass 1190 endless bootloop.... then ya gotta be fast and turn that damn thing down
I can go to 1228 MHz with Tiamat but it will crash and reboot once you do a couple of things.
shagav said:
So, Im sure this was answered somewhere, and I searched all over.
With that said, why cant the Evo be overclocked past the standard 1.19 or 1.2? I know stability is an issue, but there are other ARM processors that can OC almost double. Is the Evo ARM processor just not able to handle anything past that?
Does anyone know?
Thank you for the insite
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despite the meriad of answers you have gotten, I have been running my Evo on Sprint lovers Rom, and KiNgxKernel-Evo-12-BFS357-2.6.32.25-Flashable.zip for kernal.
I have been overclocked at 1267 since the day the kernal came out. it is singularly the only kernal that has allowed me to do this without ever crashing. OH, and I'm using
SetCPU 1267 on both min and max and scaling set to performance.
shagav said:
I know every processor is different and each one has their own limits.
There is always a risk of bricking and damaging the actual hardware, but what im asking is, in theory, and a practical test, can you push the evo processor past the 1.19 that seems to be the limit (im not talking about going huge, but is there a possibility of being able to hit the 1.5Ghz?). Because there are certain frequencies that are not stable, but ones slightly past that could be stable.
Just throwing it out there.
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Not going too big? Going from 1.0 ghz to 1.5ghz on a phone is like going from a civic to a v8. Alot of computer cpu's dont even overclock 500 mhz. I think you're expecting a little too much from a phone. If you want more, go buy a dual-core cpu atrix 4g or something. I'm a speed freak myself when it comes to cpu overclocking (mainly on computers) but 1.113 is plenty for a phone. It even runs fine at 600mhz. Dont get me wrong, it would be cool to get it that high, but your phone would hate you lol
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Just flashed Netflix-AllianceROM-2.1-HybriD-3D-OTA-Themed-r7.3TCsigned.zip and was wondering if there is a safe compatible overclocking kernel. Anyone have an idea?
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Just flashed Netflix-AllianceROM-2.1-HybriD-3D-OTA-Themed-r7.3TCsigned.zip and was wondering if there is a safe compatible overclocking kernel. Anyone have an idea?
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There are tons of kernals available in the Dev forum. I personally recommend Netarchy's kernals, but you are free to try any of them.
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Just flashed Netflix-AllianceROM-2.1-HybriD-3D-OTA-Themed-r7.3TCsigned.zip and was wondering if there is a safe compatible overclocking kernel. Anyone have an idea?
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Until HTC drops source codes you will lose camera and other things.
How did you overclock the CPU? I have tried the setCPU and it does not work, I have my Phone rooted, installed the crazy UNleashed rom (since uninstalled) and could not get the setCPU to overclock. Even though UNleashed is made to do that, and I have read others getting over clocked. I am running Synergy now, which I do not think it can Overclock the EVO, but I would like to know how you fine folks are accomplishing this. I would love to go 1.1 right now.
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How did you overclock the CPU? I have tried the setCPU and it does not work, I have my Phone rooted, installed the crazy UNleashed rom (since uninstalled) and could not get the setCPU to overclock. Even though UNleashed is made to do that, and I have read others getting over clocked. I am running Synergy now, which I do not think it can Overclock the EVO, but I would like to know how you fine folks are accomplishing this. I would love to go 1.1 right now.
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If you're using a stock HTC kernel, hit menu inside SetCPU -> Perflock Disabler. Disable Perflock -> Set On Boot. Ta da.