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According to this article, Updating to NoDo using Chevron WP7 Updater will prevent any official updates to your phone in the future.
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-warns-chevronwp7-updater-will-prevent-all-future-official-updates/
With such a vague statement from Microsoft, Idk if I should believe it. If it is true, then I am sure a work around will be found
sifon187 said:
With such a vague statement from Microsoft, Idk if I should believe it. If it is true, then I am sure a work around will be found
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I'm sure the good people here at XDA will find a way around it. But still, its disheartening news
Might?
I believe the original article says it "might" put the phone into a state where it cannot receive future updates. Users have reported that they indeed did receive notifications when their carrier was pushing the update (actually MS was pushing the update) and those updates (re-updates of NoDo) went smoothly. I think the jury is out on this and we need to see if there is any validity to the statement from MS which, by the way, I don't think has been "vetted" at all. I would like to see the actual valid source at MS and the evidence. I know that hundreds of AT&T WP7 users will be getting their notifications soon (it appears that you will get the notification even if you have already used Chevron Updater and updated to NoDo) and can try to update and see what happens. I would say that if they perform the official update over the Chevron Update and it works, this is garbage meant to scare people and hide a vulnerability provided through the just released Tools.
IMHO
the update on the original article says:
"could possibly put the updated Windows Phone 7 device into a state where it cannot receive future regular updates to the OS anymore and the only fix will be re-flashing the device with an original stock ROM".
note that it says could and it's not even certain.
If you followed the instructions to get the nodo update w/o the Chevron updater you have a backup though the Zune software you can roll back to if this should become a problem.
Tools
I believe the Tools also provide a "Revert" function. From my readings, this was meant to take you back to 7004.
derausgewanderte said:
the update on the original article says:
"could possibly put the updated Windows Phone 7 device into a state where it cannot receive future regular updates to the OS anymore and the only fix will be re-flashing the device with an original stock ROM".
note that it says could and it's not even certain.
If you followed the instructions to get the nodo update w/o the Chevron updater you have a backup though the Zune software you can roll back to if this should become a problem.
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I'm just glad I didn't use this method to get NoDo.
JamesAllen said:
I believe the original article says it "might"
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I was typing too slow
That's OK
derausgewanderte said:
I was typing too slow
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Like you, I read the article(s) and got the impression that this was speculative and the source was not sufficiently identified. I have been on these forums for years and with these types of indications, time is needed to 1. Vet the source and 2. See the evidence. IF it turns out to be true, it may just be an item in the Diagnostic program or a key in the registry. Too early to panic. Half the stuff that comes out of MS and AT&T is garbage anyway. In this case, they were both embarassed by the ease at which this was accomplished and the fact that the Phone Tools provided the means.
The Chevron updater is using files directly from Microsoft's own servers and program. I honestly, from a pure data standpoint, don't know how future updates can discern phones that have been officially updated vs chevron updated when both use MS bits. I wouldn't worry about the warning. It more so sounds like MS doesn't want you updating outside of carrier approved bits to which I say F THAT.
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Hey even if the block it for you guys... im sure you'll have it on your phone before its release anyway.... LOL....
I know I will
I waited for carrier update notice and after updating, device is still jail broken with no problems. I recommend people just use the legit method when updating to be safe.
I updated with Chevron monday, and the update was pushed by the carrier tuesday. Now I've got the update notification every time I sync my phone with Zune. If I accept it, it go through the update process (approx. 10 minutes), then notify me again the next time I plug the phone! Anyone else has this problem?
fb401 said:
The Chevron updater is using files directly from Microsoft's own servers and program. I honestly, from a pure data standpoint, don't know how future updates can discern phones that have been officially updated vs chevron updated when both use MS bits. I wouldn't worry about the warning. It more so sounds like MS doesn't want you updating outside of carrier approved bits to which I say F THAT.
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My question for you is ... did you finally get an update for your Panther...?
Ok, here is the rolldown.
Complete BS i say to that article claiming the software to Block any future update!
Here is why.
I used the Chevron tool to force the update. The Update workd well.
After restarting my phone, and connecting it again to zune, guess what haoppend?
I got the Update message again!
I Re ran the update through Zune, wich worked fine.
the backup however now shows me the first update i got through chevron updater so in fact the same as NoDo. No going back to pre NoDo with out a complete reflash of the ROM, but hey, why would i want that
So for me, what is stated is just not true!
The Update works, even after using chevron.
My device stayed unlocked as well with unlimited sideload.
No problems so far in using it
Greetings
Wrong thread!
kapanak said:
My question for you is ... did you finally get an update for your Panther...?
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No sir. Waiting on Walshie to release his Chevron.Updater source to see if there's anything we can do to trick the servers into updating us.
fb401 said:
No sir. Waiting on Walshie to release his Chevron.Updater source to see if there's anything we can do to trick the servers into updating us.
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If you know how to reflect you don't need their code, just reflect the support tool and you can determine if that is possible. Also you will notice that this statement (scare) is complete bull****, because the calls are the same used by Zune. (ZuneWmdu.dll)
The way it's worded, I'll bet the MS guys never intended them to be updated this way and don't know what it will do and warned people accordingly. Pretty standard procedure to me.
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Oh No Too Late!
Hey guys,
I read the message too late :-(. What can i do for my Omnia 7? Can i flash it back? Is there a way to get a the original rom back?
Cheers
Seb
A couple of days ago we posted about a Workaround for forced NoDo update which works pretty well.But if you are one of those Windows Phone 7 users,who still haven’t got their hands on the NoDo update(Copy-Paste) for their WP7 device?Wait no more,ChevronWP7 Updater to the Rescue.
Yes, one of the masterminds behind the famous Chevron WP7 Team Chris Walsh seems to have found a solution to the NoDo update problem with a simple solution,with a bit help from the recently released Windows Phone Support Tool.
Chris has released Chevron Updater utility which will allow you to update your phone with a few simple steps.So if you are tired of waiting for the AT&T’s update or any other carrier for that matter then head over to chris’s blog and download the Microsoft Windows Phone Support Tools and ChevronWP7.Updater.exe console app and follow the on screen instructions.The source for the updater application will be available by tomorrow.
Chris Walsh's ChevronWP7.Updater is a command line console app which prompts the user to follow the steps but it requires that the device language is supported by ChevronWP7.Update (at the moment the tool supports English US, English UK, French, Italian, Spanish and German) and it's strongly recommended not trying out any other language combinations!
Anyway, while this seems to be an interesting option to shorten the time for getting the Windows Phone 7 NoDo update, you better know what you are doing since such a workaround can seriously damage your Windows Phone 7! I would suggest to better wait until your carrier releases its Windows Phone 7 NoDo update but just in case you want it now, I've told you that there's a workaround.
THE BAD NEWS
UPDATE: Looks like Chris Walsh has taken down ChevronWP7.Updater, the download isn't available anymore. He has not yet given the reason for the take-down and therefore it's unclear if he has taken it down on Microsoft's request or because it caused more problems than it helped! Again, use it on your own risk and better know what you are doing if you plan to use it!
UPDATE 2: In an info, Microsoft seriously warns to use ChevronWP7.Updater. According to Microsoft, the use of ChevronWP7.Updater could possibly put the updated Windows Phone 7 device into a state where it cannot receive future regular updates to the OS anymore and the only fix will be re-flashing the device with an original stock ROM. At the end of the day if could mean that such Windows Phone 7 devices have to be send to the manufacturers or carriers service centers because unlike for Windows Mobile, stock ROMs are officially not available as a public download for end-users.
Bla bla bla microsoft..
yet, if you read the posts from that blog, people were getting nodo update notifications after using it, so that might be MS talking out of their azz.
those updates about ChevronWP7 Updater are AWESOME! I warned people about using the Chevron software. That things seemed a bit too convenient. That it probably was NOT a good idea to trust software coming from the same people that were supposedly in talks with Microsoft, that stopped supporting their own software, and that no one had really heard much from in a long while. When something is too good to be true, it usually is.
In other words best if u used the chevron updater u should either wait and see what will happen on future upadates (since u are up to date with chevron updater right now) or if u want to be sure u have to go the hard way unbranding your phone by the gold card method or whatever to get an "old" unbranded ROM installed and get the nodo update on this unbranded ROM over "normal" Zune update?
Prolly I should just switch to iphone5 once it gets realesed even tho I was really enjoying my WP7 so far
First I get all happy because WP7 owners can now upgrade their phones easily.
Then I get all sad because MS is acting up again (and might have forced the Chevron guys to take the updater offline).
WTF, Microsoft?
Microsoft isn't acting up.
I mean, seriously... If they were acting up they'd be closing other loopholes to getting the update (i.e. turning your connection off to force an early update notification) not telling people to not use Chevron.
Use it, but don't come here *****ing when you're still waiting on Mango 2 months after everyone else has gotten it.
Android updates no no different. Lots of times installing leaked updates or getting them through other means can have the same effect. You stop getting update notifications, etc.
Just Wait and See
People, just mellow out about this. Those were MS servers that the Chevron Updater pulled from with MS software, using a tool that MS developed that contained the hole that allowed Chevron Updater access.. There are those in Canada who used this method to update and then, days later, got a regular update notice for their carrier approved update and updated yet again, officially, with no problems. There is no way to verify whether this unsupported, thrid hand statement from God knows who and where, is real or not. Only time will tell and until then you have NoDo. If it turns out to be a problem it will be dealt with, I am sure. In fact, the statement says it is possible, not that it will. For Gods sake, ANYTHING is possible but few things are probable. So, lower your bloodpressure and wait for the next release whether it be a device specific firmware release, an official carrier approved release or the next official post-NoDo release.
I generally don't care so much about not being able to:
1. transfer sms and contacts TO sim
2. sync doc, txt, and pdf files, offline, through Zune
3. sync flac or divx files
4. make an offline backup of contacts or of the whole phone configuration
5. create new accent colors
6. toggle wifi/gps/3g data/bluetooth with a single tap from the home screen
7. dictate sms or other speech orders in my native language
etc...
All of the above limitations (and some more) can be tolerable at some degree because of WP7 general superiority in other levels.
BUT...
I'm really pissed off with Microsoft...They have totally abandoned open market phones...First, we had a major error with Mango for LG update, that forced some people to flash a new official rom in order to get it. I never got a tethering update for my open LG and now I don't even get the latest official 7740 update. I don't f$%^ care about carriers. I bought an officially OPEN device and I demand support, or else they can stop selling us illusions...
Muvolt said:
I generally don't care so much about not being able to:
1. transfer sms and contacts TO sim
2. sync doc, txt, and pdf files, offline, through Zune
3. sync flac or divx files
4. make an offline backup of contacts or of the whole phone configuration
5. create new accent colors
6. toggle wifi/gps/3g data/bluetooth with a single tap from the home screen
7. dictate sms or other speech orders in my native language
etc...
All of the above limitations (and some more) can be tolerable at some degree because of WP7 general superiority in other levels.
BUT...
I'm really pissed off with Microsoft...They have totally abandoned open market phones...First, we had a major error with Mango for LG update, that forced some people to flash a new official rom in order to get it. I never got a tethering update for my open LG and now I don't even get the latest official 7740 update. I don't f$%^ care about carriers. I bought an officially OPEN device and I demand support, or else they can stop selling us illusions...
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Blame your OEM, not Microsoft for not getting tethering. They are the ones delivering the proper drivers needed for tethering to be enabled. The feature is already built in in Mango. Concerning 7740 you're right. But it has been released when? Yesterday? No update so far has reached all users at the same time. It has always taken a few weeks until every single Windows Phone user out there received an update. Knowing that 7740 won't change much, I personally do not really care about when I will receive it.
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
contable said:
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
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It doesn't fix the keyboard disappearing issue, so it's pretty much useless. This is by far the biggest annoyance for me right now. Keyboard disappears 10+ times when i'm typing a SMS. And in some apps you can't bring back the keyboard by touching the input box. I have to copy/paste and try again.
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Blame your OEM, not Microsoft for not getting tethering. They are the ones delivering the proper drivers needed for tethering to be enabled. The feature is already built in in Mango. Concerning 7740 you're right. But it has been released when? Yesterday? No update so far has reached all users at the same time. It has always taken a few weeks until every single Windows Phone user out there received an update. Knowing that 7740 won't change much, I personally do not really care about when I will receive it.
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You are right here, but this wouldn't have happened if Microsoft had put strict rules around its ecosystem. It's unacceptable for such a unified quality concept to have basic specs like tethering, managed almost randomly (at will) by the OEMs without Microsoft's supervision. LG has released the firmware for branded phones (so, there is no arguing here that they couldn't have released it because of hardware restrictions) and totally rejected all of those people who have open phones. WHO controls this type of marketing anarchy around one of the most innovative, popular products of the world?
I'm shocked by this management attitude, because I'm a Microsoft customer for over 18 years and I know very well that they are aces in product support. As I mentioned earlier, ιn my first post, this is not the only fault Ι've been through and I'm looking forward to see this company measuring its actions with responsibility and care but, right now I'm totally disappointed.
contable said:
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
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is cab sender only for htc? says I need zune wmdu 4.8.2134
contable said:
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
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Thanks a lot for this info!
2 threads about the same thing....?
Bla Bla Bla... Close thread, waste of space.
norgan said:
Bla Bla Bla... Close thread, waste of space.
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It's a general WP7 discussion place and you should be more polite sir.
Dr.8820 said:
2 threads about the same thing....?
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I have made one in the specific LG e900 forum as well, because I use an open LG device, so, the discussion exists in two places to be seen by people who have as well as those who don't have an LG device, but they do have an open device with similar problems.
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I have made one in the specific LG e900 forum as well, because I use an open LG device, so, the discussion exists in two places to be seen by people who have as well as those who don't have an LG device, but they do have an open device with similar problems.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1352887
That would be post number three then... Sometimes i dont understand why there is all this hate on this board. Isnt this supposed to be where people come together to innovate and find new ways to use their devices? Not to complain about what they have without contributing anything...
I was referring to this thread, about 10 down from this one...but carry on, I thought it was groundhog's day.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1352887
contable said:
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
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Can you help me with this? I tried the instructions carefully but it doesn't work says No Update files
The problem? No money because wp not selling so no updates.... microsoft dont work for free....
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i don't understand this thread. is there any actual evidence that they're abandoning open market phones?
First of all, I'm a long time lurker on the XDA forums, haven't posted at all (why would I, if there aren't substantial questions ). Until now, that is. I was lurking the D-HD Dev fora when I came across a new Sense 4.1 rom; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2204384
Not happy with the Sense4 roms there are I really wanted to try it.
Downloaded it, and my ESET Smart Security went haywire. According to ESET the package contained mallware, Android/Plankton.I
Reported it so a moderator could look into it. Afterwards I looked into the package itself, seems like install_flash_player.apk was detected as mallware. The file contained a read-me file with a reference to RevMob Team (something to do with adds) and the file classes.dex was detected as a threat. Compared to an actual flash player package the file-sizes mismatched quite a bit.
First of all, is it a false positive of ESET, or actual mallware.
Second, The report I filed was answered as:
This is misuse of the report function. Pls make 10 useful posts and then come to the dev forum. Or PM the member. Thanks
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This baffled me quite a bit, im reporting a godd****d possibility of mallware, and am replied to like that?! Nice, could be quite some people's phones are infected with mallware.
Is it normal to act like that, then? Off-course, if people aren't running a scanner, it is there own fault...
Lol, they should have at least looked into the problem
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I contacted mygamers, he assures me that it is a false positive.
Also scanned install_flash_player.apk at
virustotal (dot) com/nl/file/ab1c124f868680a1f6a620fdb1595719bc012719f619ce76c4683094c64c63f0/analysis/1364154496/
15 out of 46 scanners detected something or another.
Call me paranoid, but I think I'll skip on this rom
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First of all, I'm a long time lurker on the XDA forums, haven't posted at all (why would I, if there aren't substantial questions ). Until now, that is. I was lurking the D-HD Dev fora when I came across a new Sense 4.1 rom; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2204384
Not happy with the Sense4 roms there are I really wanted to try it.
Downloaded it, and my ESET Smart Security went haywire. According to ESET the package contained mallware, Android/Plankton.I
Reported it so a moderator could look into it. Afterwards I looked into the package itself, seems like install_flash_player.apk was detected as mallware. The file contained a read-me file with a reference to RevMob Team (something to do with adds) and the file classes.dex was detected as a threat. Compared to an actual flash player package the file-sizes mismatched quite a bit.
First of all, is it a false positive of ESET, or actual mallware.
Second, The report I filed was answered as:
This baffled me quite a bit, im reporting a godd****d possibility of mallware, and am replied to like that?! Nice, could be quite some people's phones are infected with mallware.
Is it normal to act like that, then? Off-course, if people aren't running a scanner, it is there own fault...
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It is unfortunate for you
Not to be mean or anything but you should really change antivirus as eset sucks...
Well then.... I seem to be correct. Did want to try the rom, and, indeed, it is a fast rom... but... 'install_flash_player.apk' isn't the true, adobe, flash player package. Rather it barfs a platoria of adds and starts a download of flash player.
So, mallware non the less (and NOT a false positive).
Don't believe me? just start the flash player app in the app drawer.
Ahwel, how really needs flash player, it is a security risk on its own HTML5 all the way.
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Not to be mean or anything but you should really change antivirus as eset sucks...
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All a mather of opinion
It's simple. It's only a piece of software designed for Android, and so can't harm your PC. The ads can be blocked with AdAway.
And also, use a better antivirus. I suggest CommonSense 2013, its working great for me
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uhm...
*blink*
My internet security software detects a file that isn't the file it claims to be and you tell me to get a bette....
Wow... just... wow... Glad you are not in the computer support business, at least, I really hope you are not.
Don't be daft, man! I know that something detected as 'Android/Plankton.I' is aimed to Android and not Windows (or whatever).
Fact remains, there are still official adobe flash packages for android, instead of add network packages.
Ahwell, just a factory reset and the data folder is clean Who uses flash anyway.
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uhm...
*blink*
My internet security software detects a file that isn't the file it claims to be and you tell me to get a bette....
Wow... just... wow... Glad you are not in the computer support business, at least, I really hope you are not.
Don't be daft, man! I know that something detected as 'Android/Plankton.I' is aimed to Android and not Windows (or whatever).
Fact remains, there are still official adobe flash packages for android, instead of add network packages.
Ahwell, just a factory reset and the data folder is clean Who uses flash anyway.
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First off, chill out a bit
Second, he has a point.
Your anti-virus software detected a "something" that is harmful... It may be harmful, but for Windows. There is no point in running Windows A-V software to scan Android or linux files... Viruses are written for specific systems and are ineffective on others. Just like all other programs. Hope I cleared some things up.
I disagree with that. Malicious software is malicious software, no matter what the operating system is. A virus scanner should detect it, no mather if it is windows based, osx or linux (linux and osx virii, riiiight )
My point is, why would someone use malicious software when there are packages from the original developer (Adobe, in this case).
It is to bad, too, because the rom it self is indeed quiet fast and stable.
Even though a factory reset will clean up the data directory (and thus delete the package), I'm cautious if it comes to this rom.
And, to be entirely honest, I believe the moderator who closed my report, is lazy. To lazy to investigate a possible threat. Eventualy it is 'just' adware, but, at the same time, it could have been something more dangerous.
That was it for me, I will stay at the lurking corner again
no mallware found , its cleane
checked by smart security
Android is losing me as a devotee.
If it's going to be as closed off, useless and buggy as iphone, I might as well get the ipieceofcrap so I can at least chat with other humans and not be shunned by females.
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So... I don't know why or how but all of a sudden, Docs, Sheets, Keep and Voice crash immediately. All of a sudden = past month.
So, I finally got some time to see if I could fix it... I am on system reset number 4.
Reset #1 got Photos to work again, but that's it.
Anyone else having this issue.
Rooted, on 13, not my choice.
AlienPDA said:
Android is losing me as a devotee.
If it's going to be as closed off, useless and buggy as iphone, I might as well get the ipieceofcrap so I can at least chat with other humans and not be shunned by females.
Sorry, Android users: These iPhone snobs won’t date you
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So... I don't know why or how but all of a sudden, Docs, Sheets, Keep and Voice crash immediately. All of a sudden = past month.
So, I finally got some time to see if I could fix it... I am on system reset number 4.
Reset #1 got Photos to work again, but that's it.
Anyone else having this issue.
Rooted, on 13, not my choice.
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What root? Magisk?
If magisk
What modules for magisk? Anything in deny list? What do you mean "not my choice" do you not wish to be rooted, why not unroot?
Edit: Also the sun is not a reliable news source. They daily have android scare articles like the one you posted.
Nergal di Cuthah said:
What root? Magisk?
If magisk
What modules for magisk? Anything in deny list? What do you mean "not my choice" do you not wish to be rooted, why not unroot?
Edit: Also the sun is not a reliable news source. They daily have android scare articles like the one you posted.
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Magisk, yes. I looked through downloads (it's been months that it's been rooted and working properly) and I don't think I installed anything 'extra' with Magisk. I just imported the file, fixed it, flashed it.
I will have to recreate everything [I was going to when I got time] to remember all my steps. I will record them this time.
re: "Not a reliable news source." Yeah, nothing is a reliable news source. Do you have a different point? Do you dispute the findings of a news source that you have personally deemed not worthy to regard? What do you use to dispute this? Do you have a list of "your approved sources of news" so we don't have to do the back and forth? Do you not see how it is not productive to say something is not reliable and then just leave it at that? Either produce counterclaim from a source that you deem reliable, prove why they are more reliable or... ?
Edit: the shunning of females was a 'dry joke' that probably didn't translate well to someone that might be more concerned about that issue than I am?