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My wife and I both now have WM phones (mine is a Tilt 2, hers a Pure) and we don't want to spend money on text messages to each other, since each text message would count twice... once for her receiving and once for me sending. (on a pay per use plan it would be $0.40 each!).
I was looking for other options. Push email is o.k. but often times there can be a minute or more delay, and my early tests of push gmail are not producing any confidence that it would push reliably.
So then I was thinking IM. It looks like IM programs would be battery hogs, and have to stay running in the background, and could easily be accidentally closed. Also, when the phone goes to sleep it seems like they then switch you to "offline".
So am I missing something? What are my sms like, non sms options?
Also does anyone have any small programs that would set up a auto-soft reset on a repeating schedule, it would be great if I could start the morning with a fresh phone. Thanks.
boufa said:
My wife and I both now have WM phones (mine is a Tilt 2, hers a Pure) and we don't want to spend money on text messages to each other, since each text message would count twice... once for her receiving and once for me sending. (on a pay per use plan it would be $0.40 each!).
I was looking for other options. Push email is o.k. but often times there can be a minute or more delay, and my early tests of push gmail are not producing any confidence that it would push reliably.
So then I was thinking IM. It looks like IM programs would be battery hogs, and have to stay running in the background, and could easily be accidentally closed. Also, when the phone goes to sleep it seems like they then switch you to "offline".
So am I missing something? What are my sms like, non sms options?
Also does anyone have any small programs that would set up a auto-soft reset on a repeating schedule, it would be great if I could start the morning with a fresh phone. Thanks.
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Yes, any non-sms messaging app for your phone would obviously use data (3G or EDGE connection) to communicate, and would need to be left on all the time to be able to receive incoming messages and notify you in real-time...so battery drain would be in direct proportion to that.
The best solution I've ever seen for that is Palringo, a free IM-integrator app that can connect you through most of the common IM networks (yahoo, AIM, Google talk, etc), or just direct through it's own (if I remember correctly)...meaning that as long as you and she both have the palringo client installed, you don't necessarily have to use any of those services to be able to IM each other. It's also free, and I seem to recall that it can be set (but isn't by default) to stay connected even when the phone goes to sleep, but don't quote me on that part.
It would be great if one of these programs had a "listening" service that would run in the background and then notify you of the "call" similar to an email.
I have seen a few online, (my research has just begun) that indicates "push notifications". Sound interesting, the data connection would remain active all the time that does not bother me.
I seem to have lost the setting to switch the "x" button from close to minimize. That would solve the issue with accidental closing the program. It would have to be managed via the task manager.. no biggy.. and then if I can find a soft reset scheduler it would keep the open programs from overwhelming the phone.
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It would be great if one of these programs had a "listening" service that would run in the background and then notify you of the "call" similar to an email.
I have seen a few online, (my research has just begun) that indicates "push notifications". Sound interesting, the data connection would remain active all the time that does not bother me.
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lost the setting to switch the "x" button from close to minimize.
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it's the other way around. default for winmo is minimize, there is
an htc bundled app called taskman. it's in settings - task manager which is making apps close when you click X
plenty of other apps can change that too
and then if I can find a soft reset scheduler it would keep the open programs from overwhelming the phone.
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i made myself app doing change on backlight settings every morning and evening, I changed it for you to do reset
give it a try tell me if it's working for you and if error will pop up let me know what's it saying, at least line number
Hey guys, new to Android. First time ever last night when I got the mytouch slide. So I have a few questions that may make veterans laugh...
1. Why does it seem like there are a bunch of things running on my phone that I don't want running or ever use? Is there a way to kill them like with Task Manager on WinMo?
2. Is there's a setting that stops things from always being connected and draining battery? Amazon mp3 store I didn't even ever open and I see it in Running Services. How is that possible? Maybe I'm not understanding something?
3. When you back out of an app, is it closed? Or still running?
4. Any way to COMPLETELY delete certain apps from the phone?
THANK YOU GUYS!
Yes there's a task killer check market,in addition you can go to settings,applications,manage applications and end services yourself.that answers your 1st 3 questions,on to question 4.you cannot currently uninstall preloaded apps but if and when the phone gets rooted you will be able to remove them through adb or terminal.in addition eventually after this phone gets rooted people will create custom roms that won't come preloaded with all that bloatware.
Jerzeeloon is right, but I'm going to add some detail since you said you were new to Android.
1. Why does it seem like there are a bunch of things running on my phone that I don't want running or ever use?
THERE ARE.
Is there a way to kill them like with Task Manager on WinMo?
SORT OF. ASSUMING YOU HAVEN'T ADDED ANY OTHER TYPE OF MANAGEMENT APP, YOU CAN USE ASTRO WHICH IS PRE-INSTALLED. OPEN UP YOUR APP DRAWER AND SELECT ASTRO. ONCE OPEN, HIT THE PHYSICAL MENU BUTTON AND SELECT TOOLS, THEN PROCESS MANAGER. FOR NOW, I WOULD ONLY USE THE APPS TAB AND YOU CAN CLOSE OUT RUNNING SERVICES THIS WAY. YOU CAN ALSO DOWNLOAD ADVANCED TASK MANAGER OR ADVANCED TASK KILLER WHICH WILL ASSIST IN THIS PROCESS. BOTH ARE GOOD, TRY THEM AND CHOOSE WHICH YOU LIKE BEST. MANY SERVICES MAY BE RUNNING THAT SEEMS TO BE NON-USED, BUT ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH SOMETHING ELSE OR ARE RUNNING IDLE OR IN BACKGROUND.
2. Is there's a setting that stops things from always being connected and draining battery?
WHILE A FANTASTIC PHONE, THE SENSE USER INTERFACE AND TMOBILE BOTH RUN MANY APPS THAT WE INDIVIDUALLY MAY NOT WANT OR USE. FOR INSTANCE, I USE HANDCENT FOR TEXT AND K9 IN PLACE OF THE STOCK MAIL (NOT GMAIL). SO I GO TO SETTINGS-APPLICATIONS-MANAGE APPLICATIONS AND ENTER INTO THESE APPS WHICH I DON'T USE AND IF THEY ARE RUNNING, HAVE A 'FORCE STOP' OPTION. AS LONG AS ANOTHER APP ISN'T SOMEHOW USING IT OR YOU'VE SET DEFAULTS TO A DIFFERENT APP, THEN IT SHOULD STAY CLOSED/NON-RUNNING. I ALSO DID THIS WITH FRIENDSTREAM, PEEP, FACEBOOK, ETC WHICH I DON'T USE ON THIS PHONE. YOU SHOULDN'T REALLY NEED TO USE A TASK MANAGER VERY OFTEN. YOU'LL GET DIFFERING REPORTS FROM USERS; SOME SAY THEY 'END ALL' SEVERAL TIMES DAILY, SOME SAY THEY NEVER USE IT. I PREFER SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE THOUGH I NEVER 'END ALL'. THIS JUST FORCES ALL THE APPS THAT NEED TO BE RUNNING TO RESTART WHICH IS NOT USUALLY NECESSARY. MORE LATER...
Amazon mp3 store I didn't even ever open and I see it in Running Services. How is that possible? Maybe I'm not understanding something?
I'M PERPLEXED BY THIS, TOO. BUT I'M NOT A DEVELOPER OR CODER, SO WHAT DO I KNOW?
3. When you back out of an app, is it closed? Or still running?
FROM WHAT I'VE READ, SOME APPS WILL CLOSE WHEN YOU BACK ALL THE WAY OUT. SOME WILL CLOSE WHEN YOU LEAVE THE APP (BY HITTING HOME). SOME WON'T CLOSE AT ALL; WHICH IS THE "MORE LATER". THIS IS THE SCENARIO THAT I USE TASK MANAGERS (TM). IF I'M IN AND OUT OF MULTIPLE APPS IN A PORTION OF DAY, I MAY OPEN UP A TM AND CLOSE SOME OF THOSE APPS, I.E. MAPS, ASTRO, TASK MGR, HANDCENT, ALOQA, ETC. BE CAREFUL TO NOT CLOSE OUT APPS THAT ARE SET UP TO SYNC, LIKE YOUR MAIL APPS.
4. Any way to COMPLETELY delete certain apps from the phone?
NOT THE PRE-INSTALLED ONES. STOCK-ANDROID IS THE SAME AS LINUX ON YOUR PC. HAVING A CUSTOM UI IS AKIN TO WHAT COMPANIES LIKE REDHAT TRIED TO DO WITH AN OPEN-SOURCE OS. SO WHILE THERE ARE MANY NICE FEATURES, APPS, WIDGETS, ETC PRE-INSTALLED, UNFORTUNATELY YOU DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO UNINSTALL THEM...YET. THIS PHONE WILL BECOME ROOTED. THIS WILL GIVE YOU THE OPTION OF ADDING CUSTOM ROM'S WHICH WILL ALLOW YOU DIRECT CONTROL OVER WHAT IS ON THE PHONE. THE NEXT THING WE ARE WAITING FOR IS THE NEXT OTA UPDATE, FROYO (2.2). THIS WILL BRING THE ABILITY TO RUN APPS FROM THE SD CARD (APPS2SD) WHICH WILL KEEP THE INTERNAL ROM MEMORY SPACE MOSTLY FREE. FOR ME AT LEAST, THIS WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THE CONSTERNATION I HAVE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO REMOVE THE BLOATWARE. FOR NOW, CHECK OUT WHAT IS ALREADY ON THERE AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU LIKE, SEARCH THE MARKET TO SEE WHAT OTHER SIMILAR APPS ARE AVAILABLE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE ONLY ADD-ON APP I HAVEN'T "REPLACED" WITH SOMETHING ELSE IS THE SENSE WEATHER. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I USE HANDCENT FOR SMS, K9 FOR OTHER MAIL, SEISMIC FOR TWITTER, ADVANCED TASK MANAGER, SHOP SAVVY FOR BAR CODE, DOLPHIN FOR BROWSER, AND NEWSROB FOR RSS.
Man, you guys are awesome. Informative and friendly.
I HAD two questions but figured on e of them out so here's the one I'm still stuck on...
- Is there an app that will allow me to assign a specific ringtone to specific notifications? SMS, email, voicemail, etc?
Thanks guys!
You can do that by going into the setting in the app.. Example, go into the sms app, hit menu button (3 lines button), settings, notifications
Well that would certainly add a song to notifications for you but it wouldn't allow yo to pick a different song for SMS, MMS, emails, etc.
Are you looking to add different notifications for different people within SMS, email, etc or just to the different apps?
Within each separate app, you will have a 'settings' app, usually navigated by the Menu button. Within this you can set the notification settings. You can easily create your own sounds using Ringdroid and use them also. For example, I used the embedded voice recorder for one of my email accounts linked to my Amazon Seller account. So now when I receive email (via K9) to that account, I hear, "Cha-Ching!...Money!" (this makes me happy 10-15 times a day when that account syncs.)
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Man, you guys are awesome. Informative and friendly.
I HAD two questions but figured on e of them out so here's the one I'm still stuck on...
- Is there an app that will allow me to assign a specific ringtone to specific notifications? SMS, email, voicemail, etc?
Thanks guys!
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Is there a way to kill them like with Task Manager on WinMo?
SORT OF. ASSUMING YOU HAVEN'T ADDED ANY OTHER TYPE OF MANAGEMENT APP, YOU CAN USE ASTRO WHICH IS PRE-INSTALLED.
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Since when is Astro pre-installed? It certainly isn't on my phone...
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Since when is Astro pre-installed? It certainly isn't on my phone...
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I guess it is possible I installed it from my SD. I was in a tizzy with my new phone.
fl_jeep said:
Are you looking to add different notifications for different people within SMS, email, etc or just to the different apps?
Within each separate app, you will have a 'settings' app, usually navigated by the Menu button. Within this you can set the notification settings. You can easily create your own sounds using Ringdroid and use them also. For example, I used the embedded voice recorder for one of my email accounts linked to my Amazon Seller account. So now when I receive email (via K9) to that account, I hear, "Cha-Ching!...Money!" (this makes me happy 10-15 times a day when that account syncs.)
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Yes, what I'm trying to do is have one ringtone for emails, another for notifications (appointments), another for text messages, and so on. If I can actually assign a ringtone to different email accounts, that would be even better!
The problem is, when I go into settings for my email account, in the notifications settings all I get is, email notifications on or off, notification sound on or off, and notification vibrate on or off. No choice to select an actual ringtone.
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Yes, what I'm trying to do is have one ringtone for emails, another for notifications (appointments), another for text messages, and so on. If I can actually assign a ringtone to different email accounts, that would be even better!
The problem is, when I go into settings for my email account, in the notifications settings all I get is, email notifications on or off, notification sound on or off, and notification vibrate on or off. No choice to select an actual ringtone.
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The stock Mail app might not have the option, but Gmail and SMS do. If you want a different notification sound in general for email and voicemail just hit menu, settings, sounds and display. There you will see the option to change notification sound.
So can you guys tell me which are the best email clients that exist for Android then? The most feature rich maybe? Well, best functioning is more important.
And secondly, if I use another email program, then does the email page all the way on the left become completely useless? Does it get populated with the emails from your new client? Can you delete the page?
Thanks!
I'm assuming you mean a widget?? If so you just touch and hold it down.. it'll turn red then drag it down to the trash. Gone! Then I would go into the mail app and sign off so its not constantly checking in the background and stuff. As for another feature rich mail app, the only experience I have with one is K9 and it worked quite well and has great reviews. Look it up in the market.
If you want to get the widget back for what ever reason you long click once again in the empty area, select widgets then mail.
Ok, cool, I thought it was a whole page, I didn't think it was just a big massive widget. This is more customizable than I thought!! Loving this phone more and more each day.
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Then I would go into the mail app and sign off so its not constantly checking in the background and stuff.
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What do I have to do to make sure the HTC Mail app doesn't keep working in the background? Just kill my email account?
Is there a better SMS app?
first off, take off all widgets that are not necessary.. only widget i keep on is power control and clock. secondly, disable all sync that is unneccessary for you, under your accounts and sync menu in settings. that should save you a good deal of cpu usage and battery
I love K9 for my non-primary Gmail account. They also just updated it giving it some great new features such as viewing your mail from all accounts in one stream. They also have some nice batch options that I like and it's easy to dump trash along with compacting and expunging the messages from cache.
That indeed gives you the ability to assign different notifications for each account.
Hey,
I tried K-9 but right away, I got a picture in an email as an attachment that opened up all corrupted. Doesn't happen on the stock email program and I tested the same email there and it worked fine. I cant rely unfortunately on an email program that shows my picture attachments like this so I had to uninstall K-9. Anyone know why this happened? I got a few bars of the image across the top and the rest of the frame was black, almost dark grey.
Is there an app like this im switching from my vibrant to hd7 is there an app like this?
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i'm trying Go Voice, but there's no functionality to listen to the message on the phone like there is with Android. i have my GVoice account set to send me a text msg when someone leaves me a message. limited yes, but works for me (for now).
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i'm trying Go Voice, but there's no functionality to listen to the message on the phone like there is with Android. i have my GVoice account set to send me a text msg when someone leaves me a message. limited yes, but works for me (for now).
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I had no problems listening to messages on the phone. When you open the transcribed message, click the play icon just above the transcribed text.
naplesbill said:
I had no problems listening to messages on the phone. When you open the transcribed message, click the play icon just above the transcribed text.
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yep... You're correct. Discovered this after playing around with options. Thanks for correcting my misstatement!
Try the GVoice app; I wrote it It has tile/toast push notifications too
1.0 is a bit rough, but I just submitted 1.1 to the market to clean up all the issues and add more features
http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/12/gvoice-11-update.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrddo60usSM&feature=player_embedded
Koush said:
Try the GVoice app; I wrote it It has tile/toast push notifications too
1.0 is a bit rough, but I just submitted 1.1 to the market to clean up all the issues and add more features
http://www.koushikdutta.com/2010/12/gvoice-11-update.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrddo60usSM&feature=player_embedded
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1.1 is not available for me in the US Marketplace. Do you have any idea when it will be?
Koush said:
Try the GVoice app; I wrote it It has tile/toast push notifications too
1.0 is a bit rough, but I just submitted 1.1 to the market to clean up all the issues and add more features
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Koush, I have a question. Does your app support push notifications via WiFi only? For instance, I live in an area with no cell reception, and I'm forced to use wifi only. Will this app give me push notifications with just wifi on?
I'm using GoVoice and have been quite happy with it. Updates with feature improvements seem to be coming through on a regular basis. I just setup background notifications to the live tile and I am testing it out.
im surprised this is all the input on this thread
Well, Android phones by far have the best google voice app (obviously) I been using GoVoice and it seems to be working ok. Its a pain in the ass though, the fact that WIndows 7 cant multitask means that you have to start up GoVoice every single time it for me it just takes too long. The notifications are nice though, when you get a text message you'll see the notification at the top like you normally would with a regular text message.
randude said:
I'm using GoVoice and have been quite happy with it. Updates with feature improvements seem to be coming through on a regular basis. I just setup background notifications to the live tile and I am testing it out.
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how is it working out?
Did u have to set it up to recieve an email and/or sms for the live tile to update? My live tile for govoice wont update unless i open the program first
melcali said:
how is it working out?
Did u have to set it up to recieve an email and/or sms for the live tile to update? My live tile for govoice wont update unless i open the program first
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same issue here.
alright.
after digging around the developers website i found the right instructions for getting the push notifications and live tile to work.
sucks that it doesnt make the directions too clear on the app and elsewhere...
http://blog.taotaotech.com/setting-up-push-notifications/
so yea... even though you will have your gvoice set up to send u an email for new voicemails, the gvmax end will cancel those out so you wont receive those annoying emails...
live tile works for me now.
Is there a way to get voicemain notifications similar to other ones (like SMS)? Won't do it for me.
EDIT: NVM it works. Just didn't get one the first time.
Is there a way to get the update notification to go away? My GF's HD7 has the update number on the live tile, but when we update it, it keeps saying it needs to update.
which live tile is it for?
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which live tile is it for?
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The marketplace app never shows it update.
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are you referring to the number that appears next to the icon (to indicate number of updates)? if so, have you tried just restarting the phone. i think it's all related to the known bug with the market place at present which causes the market place to crash every now and then.
nah, restarts dont fix it. Still wants to update even though its been updated countless times.
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nah, restarts dont fix it. Still wants to update even though its been updated countless times.
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That's a known bug with the "trial" version of a lot of apps... Not sure if you're using a trial, or "free" version which can be downloaded as a trial
I noticed that the Nexus misses LED notifications and won't go out to check for email unless I wake the phone and open the email app. Pretty annoying. Does it have anything to do with the sleep setting on the phone ?
For example: I work in an environment where I can't always pick up my phone, that's why I prefer the LED notifications. Someone called through the land line and asked if I recieved an important email, they also texted. I wake the phone and there was a text with no LED notification and no email. So I opened the email app and then 10 came through.It is set for 15 minute intervals and SYNCH on all accounts. WTF ?
Later I wake the phone, to find 2 voicemails and no LED notification. It is also set to vibrateand ring on calls and sometimes I believe it doesn't even ring, or vibrate.
Anyone else having this issue ?
I can't say I've had this problem but I'm pretty sure the notification led does not light up indefinitely. You would need a third party app like light flow.
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I noticed that the Nexus misses LED notifications and won't go out to check for email unless I wake the phone and open the email app. Pretty annoying. Does it have anything to do with the sleep setting on the phone ?
For example: I work in an environment where I can't always pick up my phone, that's why I prefer the LED notifications. Someone called through the land line and asked if I recieved an important email, they also texted. I wake the phone and there was a text with no LED notification and no email. So I opened the email app and then 10 came through.It is set for 15 minute intervals and SYNCH on all accounts. WTF ?
Later I wake the phone, to find 2 voicemails and no LED notification. It is also set to vibrateand ring on calls and sometimes I believe it doesn't even ring, or vibrate.
Anyone else having this issue ?
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I am having the exact same issue and it is really starting to annoy me (especially since I spent $900CDN to get this device). Anybody have any suggestions on a fix? I have to enter the email application in order to receive new emails. I have it set to check for emails every 10 minutes, it just doesn't.
There is another options for mail - you can setup different notification options for each label (folder) - by default you have there only for inbox. For gmail - there are also options for other labels too (and by default - there are no notifications specified).
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There is another options for mail - you can setup different notification options for each label (folder) - by default you have there only for inbox. For gmail - there are also options for other labels too (and by default - there are no notifications specified).
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I wonder why it worked for a few days and then quit.
Sync is fine here. And so is indicator. Used lightdlow for a bit but the repeated superuser requests made me uninstall
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I wonder why it worked for a few days and then quit.
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It might be because of your mails belongs to Inbox and Priority box or other labels and you might have notifications and synchronization only for some of them. Not really sure.
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Sync is fine here. And so is indicator. Used lightdlow for a bit but the repeated superuser requests made me uninstall
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Do you have to have the sync feature enabled for it to work. I want to be able to delete emails from my handset only so sync is not important to me. I just can't seem to get my device to "grab" the emails unless I physically open the email app.
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Do you have to have the sync feature enabled for it to work. I want to be able to delete emails from my handset only so sync is not important to me. I just can't seem to get my device to "grab" the emails unless I physically open the email app.
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The phone will not poll for emails at your set interval (ten minutes) if sync is not on. The reason you get emails when you open the email app is because it auto-syncs when you open the email app.
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The phone will not poll for emails at your set interval (ten minutes) if sync is not on. The reason you get emails when you open the email app is because it auto-syncs when you open the email app.
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Synch is and has been on.
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Actually, mine worked at the beginning too, but for the last 2 days, nada. Just turned the "sync" feature on but it doesn't seem to have cured the problem.
I've found that my "sync" keeps turning itself off, somewhat randomly. Which would cause the problems mentioned in this thread. So just because you set it on doesn't mean it stays on.
I have a thread on it in the Q&A thread. A poorly visited thread =(
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1378985
This does annoy, greatly.
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Oops, realized this would affect google account related stuff (gmail, voice) but probably not email related notifications, since they are not 'syncing' an account, but just polling a server.
on that note, go to your Gmail account under accounts and make sure mail is set to sync
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Ahh... found out my problem. User error.
On the power widget, I thought the rotating arrows was for auto-rotate.
They are not.
Apparently that's the universal sign for SYNC.
Or auto-rotate.
waylo said:
Ahh... found out my problem. User error.
On the power widget, I thought the rotating arrows was for auto-rotate.
They are not.
Apparently that's the universal sign for SYNC.
Or auto-rotate.
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Precisely. That threw me for a loop several times when my brother has come to me asking why Gmail wouldn't sync. The problem is you can (intentionally or unintentionally) hit the "sync" button on the power widget, then delete the widget, and have noooo idea why you're not getting your mail .
Glad you figured it out.
Hi,
My daughter said that she prefers to avoid Viber because it uses push notification. Which she said will consume more battery. I was puzzled and wanted to lookup further on push notification. But most what I found was related to development. Can you please help me to clarify?
Q1- What is push notification?
Q2- When is push notification required (or become useful)?
Q3- Is it true that increase battery usage and why?
Thanks for any help.
2LoT said:
Hi,
I have suggested my daughter to install Viber on her iPhone 3GS. She said that she prefers to avoid because Viber uses push notification. Which she said will consume more battery. I was puzzled and wanted to lookup further on push notification. But most what I found was related to development. Can you please help me to clarify?
Q1- What is push notification?
Q2- When is push notification required (or become useful)?
Q3- Is it true that increase battery usage and why?
Thanks for any help.
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If I remember correctly, It was basically a sync system. It syncs any new emails, notifications etc. Like the android sync system. But called push notification
Your wifi usage or data is almost "on" for it to work. So it's useful imo but also a battery hog.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology
So, if you would recieve 2 emails per day, the server initiates a push 2 times that day. Compared to having your phone constantly polling the mail server for new mail every hour or 30 minutes, what sounds more battery friendly?
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2LoT said:
Q1- What is push notification?
Q2- When is push notification required (or become useful)?
Q3- Is it true that increase battery usage and why?
Thanks for any help.
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So, why are you asking in the Galaxy Nexus forum about push notifications on the iPhone 3GS?
Push notification means that as soon as a message or data is available, its "pushed" to the device, rather than being "synced" on a timer interval. It uses more battery often because there's more data being transfered and the app needs to have a service running at all times to receive push notifications. It depends on the app and how its managed though. It can be more efficient than a frequent polling sync interval.
Push is useful for important email, messaging applications, and other apps that have time sensitive data. (Just think about it...)
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Which she said will consume more battery. I was puzzled and wanted to lookup further on push notification.
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Er.. no. Pushing uses less battery. The service provider just needs to "wake up" the respective background process and send the push to it. In contrast, with a pull, the background process has to wake up and send data everytime it wants to poll the server. And then it has to stay awake long enough to receive a response back, which is what it would've had to do anyway in a push.
(True, if you set polling for once a week, it might save more battery, but that kinda defeats the purpose of all this.)
Warning: the above contents are complete BS that I made up 5 minutes ago.
Warning: the above contents are complete BS that I made up 5 minutes ago.
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I am lost, did you mean I should discard your reply? Well, as your ranking is "Senior Member", I assume that you know what you are talking. So I hope your reply was not a joke, so let continue.
thebobp said:
Er.. no. Pushing uses less battery. The service provider just needs to "wake up" the respective background process and send the push to it. In contrast, with a pull, the background process has to wake up and send data everytime it wants to poll the server. And then it has to stay awake long enough to receive a response back, which is what it would've had to do anyway in a push.
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If so, can you make sense of this support page which advises to disable push notification to save battery
http://help.orange.co.uk/orangeuk/support/personal/667853/3
Excerpted here the related paragraph:
Turn off Push Notifications – Apple
Some applications from the App Store use the Apple Push Notification service to alert you of new data. Applications that rely on push notifications may impact battery performance.
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Could "Push Notifications" has a different meaning in an iOS?
Because disabling any data based notifications, push or otherwise will save battery, bug the above is true. Push notifications will use less battery than a pull/sync. It can depend on a few things, though, like how many notifications get pushed, how often, and whether with those two factors if the app is set to push for every new notification, or groups them together periodically.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
2LoT said:
If so, can you make sense of this support page which advises to disable push notification to save battery
http://help.orange.co.uk/orangeuk/support/personal/667853/3
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Could "Push Notifications" has a different meaning in an iOS?
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Disabling push notifications from the general settings menu of an iPhone disables the notifications completely. The app will no longer give you notifications unless you enter the app or setup a sync interval (if the app supports it). That's why it'll save battery. You can universally across the entire OS turn off notifications for specific apps, groups of apps, or all apps.
This again quickly highlights the point though: Why is this thread about an iPhone 3GS and notifications in iOS in a Galaxy Nexus forum?
Might I recommend one of the hundreds of iPhone forums? You'll surely get better answers there from people who actually use the device. Seriously.
2LoT said:
I am lost, did you mean I should discard your reply? Well, as your ranking is "Senior Member", I assume that you know what you are talking. So I hope your reply was not a joke, so let continue.
If so, can you make sense of this support page which advises to disable push notification to save battery
http://help.orange.co.uk/orangeuk/support/personal/667853/3
Excerpted here the related paragraph:
Could "Push Notifications" has a different meaning in an iOS?
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No. Push is push. But when you are comparing push notifications against having no nofitications at all, then yes push notifictions will take some battery.
IMAP IDLE (push) protocol requires your phone re-establish IDLE connection to server at regular interval (usually < 30 minutes) before server time-out and terminates the IDLE connection. Eg. K9 email client refresh IDLE connection at 20-minute intervals.
If you have lots of emails, not sure if battery use is better. Difference with Sync is that you get email notification right away with Push.
With all due respect,
You have the terms wrong.
In android 2.2 and up to 4.0.x the push notification system is called C2DM (Cloud to Device Messaging). It's a protocol where a server sends a notification to the device and can wake the app it's meant to. It saves a LOT battery because the app doesn't need to poll anything. In fact, the app doesn't need to be running, only the google services framework needs to be running in background and it will wake the app, thus, saving battery.
In Jelly Bean, the system is now called GCM (Google cloud messaging).
For iOS users the system is very similar and apple handles those notifications.
In conclusion, push notifications save a lot of battery because the app doesn't need to be running and no polling period is needed. Also is faster: if you receive an email, you'll be able to see it right away and don't wait for the next server poll. The same happens with the twitter for android app and even Whatsapp.
In iOS something curious happen. In the iDevices, WiFi turns off few moments after the screen is off, and those push notifications are handled by the carriers data connection. In my case, I find that using my carrier's data instead of wifi, consumes more power because my cell signal quality is very poor in my country and a wifi connection is more stable, thus, I get a better battery life with WiFi always on. Maybe that's why on iOS devices the Push notifications are more power hungry.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Cloud_to_Device_Messaging_Service and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology
Cheers!