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Hero update Iminent, but now if you have ROOT!

Check out this link:
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hero-update-confirmed-imminent-1852644/
Appears as though HTC are gonna address the lagginess expereinced by many (including myself) with an OTA update.
Those with root like me will not get the OTA update as ive read the firmware wont update on rooted phones. Im wondering whether people will put their chef hats on with the new update to create a rom based on it?

You could restore a backup from a point where you had not rooted your phone yet
It basically unroots itself that way.

ammurad said:
Check out this link:
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hero-update-confirmed-imminent-1852644/
Appears as though HTC are gonna address the lagginess expereinced by many (including myself) with an OTA update.
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That link makes no mention whatsoever that the update will be OTA - in fact, it says:
“HTC will be providing a software update for the HTC Hero, which will be available via the HTC website in the coming weeks.” HTC statement
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Via the website almost certainly means download and update manually. Being rooted shouldn't stop you applying the update, though you will probably lose root in the process.
Note that Google pushed OTA updates out for the G1, and the reason they didn't work on most rooted phones was because the procedure used to root the phone specifically switched off the OTA functionality to avoid the phone getting an update and losing root.
Regards,
Dave

It was confirmed prior to release that the Hero would be incapable of receiving OTA updates.

Ok thats useful information. We can just hope now that the update will get rid of the lag.

Someone needs to change the thread topic to
Hero update Iminent, but noT if you have ROOT!

ghoonk said:
Someone needs to change the thread topic to
Hero update Iminent, but noT if you have ROOT!
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I thought it was only OTA updates that rooted phones couldn't recieve.

Biffert said:
You could restore a backup from a point where you had not rooted your phone yet
It basically unroots itself that way.
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correct me if i am wrong but even if you back up with nandroid before rooting , running the backup doesnt unroot your phone.
anyway, it is not a problem. all u have to do is just to flash the stock rom posted on this thread and then run the update if this is the case .

I don't think ROOTING is the problem. I think that some people, in the process of rooting, end up changing the recovery.img with test keys which the update may check against and prevent the update.
I updated mine using ADB and used fastboot, so I don't think I actually changed the recovery.img, so future updates will just see my phone as a 'normal' unbranded device (albeit with Superuser.apk and su.apk, and the HTC CIME)

After OTA update, We will get the Custom rom of Hero soon (Like in G1)

Regarding OTA Updates...

I'm new to rooting but I rooted my EVO in June via a link posted of HTCEVOHACKS.COM and I continue to get a message to do the OTA updates. When I try to click yes it downloads but the files are then corrupted and when they try to install the phone shows a picture of the EVO and a red question mark, then it shuts off. Am I not able to get OTA updates with the EVO rooted? Since it is a new phone I would like to get some updates when glitches are found. I also want to get the FROYO update on Tuesday when Sprint releases it. Any help on how to continue to stay rooted and get updates or how to get FROYO when released by my carrier would be awesome. Again, I'm now to this so if this process could be explained in simple terms, that would help too.

Go to the dev section and download the rooted Froyo update, flash it just like any custom rom. Read in the OP it will tell you what to do and what order to do it in, presto you have all updates and still have root.

Thanks. I'm going to try that now. I guess I didn't realize that you couldn't get OTA updates after you rooted your phone.

cja1984 said:
Thanks. I'm going to try that now. I guess I didn't realize that you couldn't get OTA updates after you rooted your phone.
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You NEVER want to take an OTA after you root your phone. Most Roms will block them out now. Why you ask? because it will unroot you and then you have to wait and see when/if will be rootable with the new patch which can take a while.
So always check for updates int he dev pages for roms using the new patches when they come out, never take an OTA if you are asked, and enjoy your root

cja1984 said:
I'm new to rooting but I rooted my EVO in June via a link posted of HTCEVOHACKS.COM and I continue to get a message to do the OTA updates. When I try to click yes it downloads but the files are then corrupted and when they try to install the phone shows a picture of the EVO and a red question mark, then it shuts off. Am I not able to get OTA updates with the EVO rooted? Since it is a new phone I would like to get some updates when glitches are found. I also want to get the FROYO update on Tuesday when Sprint releases it. Any help on how to continue to stay rooted and get updates or how to get FROYO when released by my carrier would be awesome. Again, I'm now to this so if this process could be explained in simple terms, that would help too.
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Just in case you have come trouble finding it Ill paste the link.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740520

You definitely dodged a bullet with this one. If the OTA would have worked, you would have lost root and been stuck unless/until somebody figured out a way to root Froyo. Consider yourself lucky.

is everyone but me on OTA now?

I am still not seeing the OTA update from my stock evo. Just wondering if they are still rolling it out or if everyone but me has access now ;-)

ronnienyc said:
I am still not seeing the OTA update from my stock evo. Just wondering if they are still rolling it out or if everyone but me has access now ;-)
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What ROM are you running?
If you're running a 2.2 rom already it might think you are current already
Also, just in case you've missed the other billion times it's been said:
DO NOT UPDATE IF YOU LIKE HAVING ROOT ACCESS TO YOUR PHONE

nebenezer said:
What ROM are you running?
If you're running a 2.2 rom already it might think you are current already
Also, just in case you've missed the other billion times it's been said:
DO NOT UPDATE IF YOU LIKE HAVING ROOT ACCESS TO YOUR PHONE
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If I apply the OTA will it unroot my phone?? Sorry Noob question.
He He sorry neb, I couldn't resist ....

I am running stock 2.1, do not care about root at this point.

ronnienyc said:
I am running stock 2.1, do not care about root at this point.
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Then just keep checking, it'll show up eventually.
Try updating your profile, and rebooting wouldn't hurt anything.

Thanks for the ideas. So I guess no one knows if its a gradual roll out or if it's available for everyone yet...

I thought it wasn't coming out till thurs? What did I miss..anyway I won't be updating right now. Waiting for all you impatient people to report the bugs and for things to be updated.
Running rooted 1.47. Happy with it...but want that new PRL and wimax because reception here stinks and can't hold 4g if you step in any direction from where you connected.

[Q] Official Verizon HTC incredible Froyo Update (Coming tomorrow)

Engadget states that Verizon is going to push the official 2.2 Froyo update tomorrow for all HTC incredible users.
IF this is true I have a few questions. I'm currently rooted and running Sky Raider 3.0 RC2. I did a nand backup of my old original 2.1 Stock sense rom. If i revert back to that, can I just check for updates and apply the new stock 2.2 Froyo rom that is pushed from verizon?
Thanks,
ej_424

It is true. Unlike previous rumors, VZW employees were told today (this afternoon) and it shows on their bulletin screens now.

That and sometime between 1pm and 2:30pm they updated the support page.
So who's gonna jump in and who's gonna wait?

Please answer my question on how to go about updating. I'll jump in but want to knwo what process i have to take. Is there a chance that I wont be able to re-root if i go with the OTA update?

why go through the trouble of unrooting and going back to stock just to receive an update "officially" thats already been rooted and simplified here in 2 threads?

mb02 said:
why go through the trouble of unrooting and going back to stock just to receive an update "officially" thats already been rooted and simplified here in 2 threads?
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Honestly.. It's pre-rooted, and is almost positively the exact same as the official OTA.. why bother?

ej_424 said:
Please answer my question on how to go about updating. I'll jump in but want to knwo what process i have to take. Is there a chance that I wont be able to re-root if i go with the OTA update?
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Honestly there is so much information out there. Do what I did when I first got my Incredible. Do a search, and read, read, read. Mind you when you're done your head is going to be spinning. But that is the best way to get all the information you need.

To answer your question.
it was said along time ago that accepting the 2.2 OTA may cause you to not be able to re-root.
now, unrevoked forever takes S-OFF and with this you can accept the 2.2 OTA and still keep root, it was permanent, but with the new release of S-ON there is absolutely no reason not to use S-OFF, then un-root, if you want the "official" 2.2.

I thought that SkyRaider 2.5.2 and 3.0 were built off of the previous leak of FroYo 2.2...am I wrong? I love SkyRaider Vanilla, so I don't get giving that up for an "official" OTA? Maybe it is for some, but I don't see what else you'd really get that you don't have yet that was built into the 2.2 ROM's...

Mods will probably move this to Q and A,
But, you have to provide more info as what radio you are on, hboot.., etc. There are several threads started providing info as to how to prepare yourself...
I mean, the leak OTA has been ripped apart and placed all of this forum. The only thing you can get from verizon will be the satisfaction of a cool Blockbuster app and more vzw crapware, but hey if its what you want

RMarkwald said:
I thought that SkyRaider 2.5.2 and 3.0 were built off of the previous leak of FroYo 2.2...am I wrong? I love SkyRaider Vanilla, so I don't get giving that up for an "official" OTA? Maybe it is for some, but I don't see what else you'd really get that you don't have yet that was built into the 2.2 ROM's...
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Skyraider pre2.0 was based off an evo port, yes. 2.0 and onward is based off the leak, hence the necessity of the radio upgrade.

Gotcha. That's what I thought, as when I installed SkyRaider 2.2, I remember getting an email saying "thanks for registering your Nexus One" or something like that... Thank you for confirming, much appreciated!

Your recovery image must be stock as well. There are several threads that provide the needed file to return the DInc back to 100% stock/pre-root (just make sure S-OFF is applied first).

Mandatory OTA?
I read the pdf files from Verizon's website on the expected 2.2 OTA, and it says it is MANDATORY. That the only options it gives you are install and DELAY install. That it will keep bugging you every 30 minutes til you do !
I have used Unrevoked3, and Unrevoked Forever and love the phone as it is now (particularly the wifi tether). I want to avoid the OTA but do I HAVE to accept it? If I do, I hope I can reload the version I got with Unrevoked3.
(I assume that Verizon will, in their new version make you PAY to wifi tether)
Any info on this?
Thanks

charlier26 said:
I read the pdf files from Verizon's website on the expected 2.2 OTA, and it says it is MANDATORY. That the only options it gives you are install and DELAY install. That it will keep bugging you every 30 minutes til you do !
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I'll be pissed if thats the case. gotta do everything all over again. But if we're already @ 2.2 shouldn't it recognize that and not force the OTA to even appear on our phones?
I'm still pretty new to this so sorry if I sound like a complete outsider lol

For those of us who've rooted, forever'd, upgraded radio, and installed some leaked version of Froyo already -- if/when we get prompted to update the phone should we accept or deny it?
With the OTA update will be a radio update as well. And if they attempt to install over the same version won't that be the same as manually attempting to update it twice which equals brick?
Or will the update detect an upgraded radio already and skip that step?

Hackenstein said:
For those of us who've rooted, forever'd, upgraded radio, and installed some leaked version of Froyo already -- if/when we get prompted to update the phone should we accept or deny it?
With the OTA update will be a radio update as well. And if they attempt to install over the same version won't that be the same as manually attempting to update it twice which equals brick?
Or will the update detect an upgraded radio already and skip that step?
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IIRC, you will only be prompted if you have sock recovery installed. As for the OTA, it includes updates to the radio and HBOOT. The update doesn't check to see if you already have an upgraded radio because, in theory, no consumer should have it yet.

najaboy said:
The update doesn't check to see if you already have an upgraded radio because, in theory, no consumer should have it yet.
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If this is the case, there will be a whole lot of bricks out there, right? I thought I read that if you flash a radio twice you're bricked. Maybe not with S_Off.

PIYIRIO said:
If this is the case, there will be a whole lot of bricks out there, right? I thought I read that if you flash a radio twice you're bricked. Maybe not with S_Off.
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Not a 100% sure but I think its only if you flash a radio.diff twice you get brick.
Never the less just don't have the updated radio with old builds and stock recovery and all should be fine.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

Nope
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If this is the case, there will be a whole lot of bricks out there, right? I thought I read that if you flash a radio twice you're bricked. Maybe not with S_Off.
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That applied because the prior unrEVOked hack was simply a diff ... it patched. So if you apply the patch to the patch, THEN you brick. Flashing a wholesale radio (while higher on the danger scale) is not the same.

[Q] OTA update 3.26.605.1

I recently started getting system update notices for 3.26.605.1 on my D-Inc.
I'm running the "standard" clockworkmod recovery that flashed when I rooted the phone. As I understand it, I can not install the update because I'm rooted so is there a way that I can stop the notices (without unrooting and going stock)?
I've also read chatter on other forums about a fix or "root version" on the way from unrevoked, but I haven't been able to find anything official.
Can anyone confirm an update from unrevoked?
Thanks.

Hey Dude,
I figured I would get to you before the wolves do lol you'll probably get a better response to your questions in the "General" section. To answer you directly there is already rooted versions of this OTA such as (shameless plug) both my Roms Redemptive rEVOlution (Evo hybrid) and Redemption Rom.

OK. Thanks.

RuLEoF2 said:
OK. Thanks.
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Not a problem enjoy Rom hunting.

RuLEoF2 said:
I recently started getting system update notices for 3.26.605.1 on my D-Inc.
I'm running the "standard" clockworkmod recovery that flashed when I rooted the phone. As I understand it, I can not install the update because I'm rooted so is there a way that I can stop the notices (without unrooting and going stock)?
I've also read chatter on other forums about a fix or "root version" on the way from unrevoked, but I haven't been able to find anything official.
Can anyone confirm an update from unrevoked?
Thanks.
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I've been hitting Cancel on that update message for the last 2 weeks. Today I read about it a bit, and finally just gave in and ran the update. I don't know if it actually updated, but the message is gone, it says my system is up to date, and I still have S-OFF/root. FWIW.

jrocket said:
I've been hitting Cancel on that update message for the last 2 weeks. Today I read about it a bit, and finally just gave in and ran the update. I don't know if it actually updated, but the message is gone, it says my system is up to date, and I still have S-OFF/root. FWIW.
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you can edit the build prop to make it stop search the skyraider thread i think its in there.

ACD168 said:
you can edit the build prop to make it stop search the skyraider thread i think its in there.
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I saw that, thanks. I wanted the update, I just couldn't find any solid answers on whether it disabled root or not. It sounded like it disabled root but left S-OFF alone, so I did ran the update, thinking I could root it again later. But now I still have root, so I don't know if the update was actually applied or not.
I'm not worried either way, it was just an experience relevant to the OP's question.

jrocket said:
I saw that, thanks. I wanted the update, I just couldn't find any solid answers on whether it disabled root or not. It sounded like it disabled root but left S-OFF alone, so I did ran the update, thinking I could root it again later. But now I still have root, so I don't know if the update was actually applied or not.
I'm not worried either way, it was just an experience relevant to the OP's question.
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Go into Settings/About Phone and see what firmware version you have, if it's 26 your updated, if it's still 21, it didn't update.
If you don't know if it's updated, it's prolly not. You would've known as it would've rebooted and then had run the update. If you don't recall any of that, your not updated.
Like was posted previously, you'd be better off finding which ROM has the update and then just flash that, be sure to do a backup 1st and foremost in case you screw up, you can always flash back to what you had and start over.
The only way that update will take is if you have stock with just root and no changes, I did this initially though and you will loose root, which is why I recommend you backup before trying, this way you don't have to root over again.

Edit build.prop. Here is the configuration you'll need to change to stop the OTA updates. This will also help save your battery if it frequently tries to download on 3G.
ro.build.fingerprint=verizon_wwe/inc/inc/inc:2.2/FRF91/264707:user/release-keys

RuLEoF2 said:
I recently started getting system update notices for 3.26.605.1 on my D-Inc.
I'm running the "standard" clockworkmod recovery that flashed when I rooted the phone. As I understand it, I can not install the update because I'm rooted so is there a way that I can stop the notices (without unrooting and going stock)?
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If you want to stay put on the version you have now, not accept the update, not be bothered by it again, then following bsdbytes's info for editing the build.prop is what you need to do.
If you want to accept and the NOV OTA update and still have clockworkmod recovery and root after... see -> http://solo.dc3.com/dinc/ (If you have an SLCD incredible, be carefull of which CWM Recovery version you use).
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I've also read chatter on other forums about a fix or "root version" on the way from unrevoked, but I haven't been able to find anything official.
Can anyone confirm an update from unrevoked?
Thanks.
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The current Unrevoked3 (ver 3.21) does not work to root the Nov OTA, nor install a custom recovery. There were tweets about an update coming, but delays due to thanksgiving, finals, etc. I haven't seen an ETA posted yet.

joelcableguy said:
Go into Settings/About Phone and see what firmware version you have, if it's 26 your updated, if it's still 21, it didn't update.
If you don't know if it's updated, it's prolly not. You would've known as it would've rebooted and then had run the update. If you don't recall any of that, your not updated.
The only way that update will take is if you have stock with just root and no changes, I did this initially though and you will loose root, which is why I recommend you backup before trying, this way you don't have to root over again.
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thanks for the info. you're right, it didn't update, i'm still at 21. when i clicked update a window came up saying it was going to reboot, but it never did. must be due to change i had on the device.
KidJoe said:
If you want to stay put on the version you have now, not accept the update, not be bothered by it again, then following bsdbytes's info for editing the build.prop is what you need to do.
If you want to accept and the NOV OTA update and still have clockworkmod recovery and root after... see -> LINK (If you have an SLCD incredible, be carefull of which CWM Recovery version you use).
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thanks for that link - i'll try to go through that when i get a chance.