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So i know that if you put a verizon PRL in your sprint phone not uncommon for sprint to terminate your contract for roaming too much. But my question is: do they charge fees for terminating it?
Im 99.9% tempted to switch to a verizon PRL so I can get good coverage until they just terminate me then I can start a contract with verizon with a different phone .
I dont know if its my coverage here or what but I have slow 3g, never get 4g, signal drops to 0 for 30 seconds every few minutes, and webpages time out almost always. Kinda over it..
Can someone who knows more than me chime in on how good/bad this idea is?
I have done it just to see how it is, my only issue and reason for switching back is I could never get text msg's to work even with the option check to retrieve while roaming.
I just wanna know if its a clean loophole into getting out of the contract pretty much
try going back to sprint prl1 with cdma workshop.
Would vrz prl get u 3G or u stocked with slow data thing.
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I just wanna know if its a clean loophole into getting out of the contract pretty much
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yeah i would like to try the same thing lol. i would think that they could only charge you if you "voluntarily" choose to terminate your agreement, but if the wording is in there, they may be able to charge you for any kind of breach that terminates your contract. i am with sprint. ill try browsing the ToS to see if it has any conventions for this. anyone know for sure?
Many people have complained, but no one seems to post what the letter looks like or what it actually says.
Sprint cell phone plans are not truly unlimited, but they are generous. Roaming is capped at 300mb or a majority of data usage and 800 minutes in a month. On network usage is a little tricky. They will let you use A LOT, but there is a point where they'll send you a letter for excessive usage. If you're like the guy that got caught using 100GB to tether and host MW3, of course you'll get a similar letter. But I would think you could easily use 50GB on-network and they's let it slide.
Attached is a copy of the letter I got from Sprint last month for roaming. I was under the impression, as it is advertised and listed in my bill, that ALL data usage was unlimited. I sent an email to Dan Hesse's CSR team and they called me back to explain the truth. The truth being, even though it's listed as unlimited in ads and on your bill, you in fact signed TOS agreeing to this limitation.
If you are ever having trouble with the regular CSRs, have a horrible experience, or feel you were wronged or not listened to, send an email to [email protected](DON'T ABUSE IT OR THEY'LL TAKE IT AWAY!). They have more authority and will call you and try to resolve the issue.
Look, we've got a pretty sweet deal when it comes to data. If you get one of these letters, you're probably doing something you shouldn't. I was and I got the warning. Now I've adjusted my usage to not whore the network and everyone's happy.
FYI: I was using Roam Control when I visited my girlfriend on weekends because she lives in the sticks and Sprint coverage sucks. And if your coverage sucks at your house ask for an Airave, it's free.
This ultimately IS false advertising and I am sure that at some point Sprint will get into trouble for it.
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This ultimately IS false advertising and I am sure that at some point Sprint will get into trouble for it.
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Nah, watch the commercial or read the ads and look at the fine print on the bottom. There's a phrase in there that makes it NOT false advertising... "terms and conditions apply"
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Nah, watch the commercial or read the ads and look at the fine print on the bottom. There's a phrase in there that makes it NOT false advertising... "terms and conditions apply"
There's always excptions
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The commercials say, "On Sprint" or "With Sprint" not "On Sprint while on a competitors network where Sprint is forced to pay out the ass."
Sprint is awesome and their policies are very consumer/hacker friendly. Dont ruin a good thing for the rest of us please.
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The commercials say, "On Sprint" or "With Sprint" not "On Sprint while on a competitors network where Sprint is forced to pay out the ass."
Sprint is awesome and their policies are very consumer/hacker friendly. Dont ruin a good thing for the rest of us please.
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Not sure why this is so hard to understand.
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People are confused and upset because, for one, who reads the 10,000 words of the TOS? And, if you look on your bill under roaming it list usage/unlimited. This is my current bill as an example:
Sprint 3G Data
Used
772,356KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Sprint 3G Data Roaming
Used
0KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Sprint 4G Data
Used
40,503KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Until Sprint changes the webpage to accurately show "/300,000KB", they will continue to get angry phone calls, accusations of bait and switch and threats of action from rightfully confused customers. In all fairness, it's their own fault their CSRs are getting yelled at.
I like the idea of being able to get out of my two year contract by roaming too much.
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People are confused and upset because, for one, who reads the 10,000 words of the TOS? And, if you look on your bill under roaming it list usage/unlimited. This is my current bill as an example:
Sprint 3G Data
Used
772,356KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Sprint 3G Data Roaming
Used
0KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Sprint 4G Data
Used
40,503KB / Unlimited
Remaining
Unlimited
Until Sprint changes the webpage to accurately show "/300,000KB", they will continue to get angry phone calls, accusations of bait and switch and threats of action from rightfully confused customers. In all fairness, it's their own fault their CSRs are getting yelled at.
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Even if sprint changed the verbage people wouldnt get it. Even if sprint spelled it out in big letters during their ads I feel that the average consumer who is not one of us on these forums will still no doubt about it here unlimited and be completely oblivious to the other obvious stated facts. Because other than the obvious facts, the average consumer is ignorant and wants what they want when they want it their way. I beleive we live in a Mcdonalds way now. Have it your way. People are seriously misguided in this day and age. /end rant
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Even if sprint changed the verbage people wouldnt get it. Even if sprint spelled it out in big letters during their ads I feel that the average consumer who is not one of us on these forums will still no doubt about it here unlimited and be completely oblivious to the other obvious stated facts. Because other than the obvious facts, the average consumer is ignorant and wants what they want when they want it their way. I beleive we live in a Mcdonalds way now. Have it your way. People are seriously misguided in this day and age. /end rant
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Honestly, reading the various threads here, even the average person {who posts about it, anyway} on these forums seems pretty ignorant when it comes to roaming.
The main problem is people don't know what on-network roaming is. I've posted at least three times over the past month why Sprint can say they have unlimited roaming *on-network* and what on-network roaming is vs off-network roaming.
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This ultimately IS false advertising and I am sure that at some point Sprint will get into trouble for it.
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No, that is wishful thinking on your part.
If you watch the commercials, they say unlimited roaming *on the Sprint network*.
If you don't know the difference between on-network and off-network roaming, do a bit of research.
I agree with you that it sucks, wholeheartedly, they just aren't making any false claims.
What is the difference between on and off network ROAMing? Since you cannot roam on your own network
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Agreed... there is always a fine print.. But also.agreed, they should not.advertise.unlimited when t&c apply which state that it is.in.fact not.unlimited.. If someone is on the home network, not doing anything illegal.but.has excessive.use for w.e reason sprint is saying they will.send a warning letter or.terminate service.. I can completely understand if they are using roam control to.force roam on another.network or.if they are tethering or using the.hotspot to host mw3 & use.100GB in a month are obviously both good reasons to.boot the person but for.people who.dont that purposely should not be.punished.. They should advtertise no data limit to an.extent, not truely.unlimited data, but.not.really if you read the fine print.. Data roaming is the same with any carrier.. Cant guarantee data service off sprint network, excessive roaming use.is.expensive.. But dont kick people who.are legit on the sprint network because they didnt read the fine.print and assumed because.it is.clearly advertised as.the ONLY.company with TRUELY unlimited data.. It should be no data cap and no data overages within reason.. And if someone wants to.pay for tethering, goes legit and.wants to host mw3 games amd has.excessive.use.i.dont think should be.kicked.either.. To me its a PR mess waiting to happen until sprint finally stops crazy advertising unlimited or.makes custs.more aware.of the terms and conditions..
Edit: since I work.all day for us cellular and cant have my phone on me on the work floor, and because.the rest of.the.time im at.home on.wifi, my data use.is less than 100mb and my min use is.even less since I only talk when its free, my.usage is.super low, most likely will.NEVER see one of.these letters. At my work i.saw the other.day a customer got.susp because.an old lady managed to.use 13GB in 3 days.on a 5GB limit and she said she only downloaded.Microsoft office and the.rest of.the weekend.she was gone.so.it.was.impossible, sprint, and any carrier knows what is normal.. People need to.understand, your mobile data is.no.subsitute.for.home internet lol, people use.your heads and.dont.abuse. It or soon we might not.have the option to.use.more.data then all other carriers
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What is the difference between on and off network ROAMing? Since you cannot roam on your own network
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You can roam on network.. Sprint doesnt.have towers.across every square inch of the country.. They can be roaming on network with sprints roaming partners, or.be.completely.off sprints network.and.roaming on a non roaming partners network.. Also, if you notice on the.bills, there is home area, then extended home area.. extended means you are withing the sprint coverage area but not on sprints tower.. Can be a number of factors like weather, sprint tower down, or mayne even location.. It all depends. Its confusing but really.not.once you understand the.cellular lingo
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What is the difference between on and off network ROAMing? Since you cannot roam on your own network
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Say you live in Milwaukee, a Sprint service area. You purchased your phone and your plan there. Then you travel to Miami, another Sprint service area. You are now "roaming" on-network because you are out of your HOME service area, but still on the Sprint network.
Now, let's say you travel to visit family in northern Wisconsin in the middle of the forest. The only reception you get is Alltel (owned by Cellular One, I believe). You are now roaming off-network.
This is a holdover from the early days of cell phones when networks were NOT nationwide, but rather were region-wide.
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Say you live in Milwaukee, a Sprint service area. You purchased your phone and your plan there. Then you travel to Miami, another Sprint service area. You are now "roaming" on-network because you are out of your HOME service area, but still on the Sprint network.
Now, let's say you travel to visit family in northern Wisconsin in the middle of the forest. The only reception you get is Alltel (owned by Cellular One, I believe). You are now roaming off-network.
This is a holdover from the early days of cell phones when networks were NOT nationwide, but rather were region-wide.
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Yea, like u.s. Cellular is still a regional carrier with nationwide coverage.. Anywhere outside of there network is roaming, anywhere you leave your home area to another USCc region you are roaming in the extended home service area since you are still on there network.. In Florida where there is no uscc, your roaming off network but are still provided coverage through there roaming partners
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Honestly, reading the various threads here, even the average person {who posts about it, anyway} on these forums seems pretty ignorant when it comes to roaming.
The main problem is people don't know what on-network roaming is. I've posted at least three times over the past month why Sprint can say they have unlimited roaming *on-network* and what on-network roaming is vs off-network roaming.
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That is very true about understanding on-network/off-network. But what's tallied in that second section IS off-network usage even though it says "Sprint 3G Roaming". When I spoke with them on the phone they listed my usage for December as a time I exceeded the limit, which was 467MB. This was listed in my account as "467,272KB/Unlimited Remaining Unlimited". I think that's reason to ask them for clarification.
I acknowledged that forcing my phone to roam was wrong, and I made adjustments, but I barely got any battery life with 1 signal bar and 2G data.
But if you want out of your contract scott free, go for it. They even offered to credit my last full month.
EDIT: I spent 4 days in DC last month, obviously not my home network area, and my Sprint 3G Roaming remained at 0KB. That seems to prove home vs on-network roaming has nothing to do with it. How hard is it for them to be up front that Sprint 3G Roaming = off-network roaming?
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Dalmus said:
Honestly, reading the various threads here, even the average person {who posts about it, anyway} on these forums seems pretty ignorant when it comes to roaming.
The main problem is people don't know what on-network roaming is. I've posted at least three times over the past month why Sprint can say they have unlimited roaming *on-network* and what on-network roaming is vs off-network roaming.
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That is very true about understanding on-network/off-network. But what's tallied in that second section IS off-network usage even though it says "Sprint 3G Roaming". When I spoke with them on the phone they listed my usage for December as a time I exceeded the limit, which was 467MB. This was listed in my account as "467,272KB/Unlimited Remaining Unlimited". I think that's reason to ask them for clarification.
I acknowledged that forcing my phone to roam was wrong, and I made adjustments, but I barely got any battery life with 1 signal bar and 2G data.
But if you want out of your contract scott free, go for it. They even offered to credit my last full month.
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When I got the letter in the beginning of Feb, they listed December as a month I exceeded the limit, and I only had 75MB of roaming data that month (or something like that, I forget exactly now). I asked them how in the world 75MB of roaming data exceeded the 300MB cap, and they told me that I had only used 100MB of on-network data (I spend most of my life on WiFi between work and home), so 75MB was MORE than half of my data usage, therefore a violation of TOS.
So basically, I'm being punished for actually staying OFF their network entirely by using WiFi.
I would have told them to go ahead and kick me off, except that Verizon and AT&T don't have coverage where I need it on my land up north, so they aren't an option.
I *DO* agree with you that their online usage summary really should have a separate data point called "off network roaming - Used: 126,304 of 307,200"
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It would be interesting to see what the roaming agreements are for Sprint and the other carriers. I wonder how much Sprint gets charged per KB when we are roaming.
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Agreed... there is always a fine print.. But also.agreed, they should not.advertise.unlimited when t&c apply which state that it is.in.fact not.unlimited.. If someone is on the home network, not doing anything illegal.but.has excessive.use for w.e reason sprint is saying they will.send a warning letter or.terminate service.. I can completely understand if they are using roam control to.force roam on another.network or.if they are tethering or using the.hotspot to host mw3 & use.100GB in a month are obviously both good reasons to.boot the person but for.people who.dont that purposely should not be.punished.. They should advtertise no data limit to an.extent, not truely.unlimited data, but.not.really if you read the fine print.. Data roaming is the same with any carrier.. Cant guarantee data service off sprint network, excessive roaming use.is.expensive.. But dont kick people who.are legit on the sprint network because they didnt read the fine.print and assumed because.it is.clearly advertised as.the ONLY.company with TRUELY unlimited data.. It should be no data cap and no data overages within reason.. And if someone wants to.pay for tethering, goes legit and.wants to host mw3 games amd has.excessive.use.i.dont think should be.kicked.either.. To me its a PR mess waiting to happen until sprint finally stops crazy advertising unlimited or.makes custs.more aware.of the terms and conditions..
Edit: since I work.all day for us cellular and cant have my phone on me on the work floor, and because.the rest of.the.time im at.home on.wifi, my data use.is less than 100mb and my min use is.even less since I only talk when its free, my.usage is.super low, most likely will.NEVER see one of.these letters. At my work i.saw the other.day a customer got.susp because.an old lady managed to.use 13GB in 3 days.on a 5GB limit and she said she only downloaded.Microsoft office and the.rest of.the weekend.she was gone.so.it.was.impossible, sprint, and any carrier knows what is normal.. People need to.understand, your mobile data is.no.subsitute.for.home internet lol, people use.your heads and.dont.abuse. It or soon we might not.have the option to.use.more.data then all other carriers
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Ok, i'm going to go a bit off topic here, but trying to read your missive is giving me a headache.
Why are you using (full stops) periods everywhere and anywhere???
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Ok, i'm going to go a bit off topic here, but trying to read your missive is giving me a headache.
Why are you using (full stops) periods everywhere and anywhere???
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My guess is he is manually punching in words and hitting '.' instead of {space} by accident.
That's why I like Swype.
This again? Please stop. I have no sympathy for people who don't read/understand the agreement they sign. For the last time, the unlimited term is used with terms & conditions and applies to the data usage of the Sprint device on the Sprint network.
Continuing to post/argue over what unlimited means *to you* vs. what is in black and white is a waste of forum bandwidth.
Stop whining about it. Read the agreement. Nod in understanding. Done.
Hi guys,
I use Sprint's unlimited network with a HTC EVO 4G along with Cyanogenmod. I used it to tether quite a bit...
Supposedly Sprint sent me a letter for "excessive roaming". I never really saw it, and I only tethered with 4G.
Sprint terminated my phone and left the two other phones in the contract. My plan is to basically transfer one phone in that contract to another and get mine back in (since the contract is under a 2 phone probation for 6-9 months).
I don't plan on screwing that up again.. so my questions are:
1.) How do I know if my data is roaming or not?
2.) Does not updating your radio regularly affect data roaming?
3.) I heard (from another forum) that torrenting can affect data roaming usage. I admit I've torrented a gigantic 3+gb free to play MMORPG through tethering before. What does torrenting do to affect data roaming (the technical details of it)?
4.) I enjoy using tethering as I travel (in the city where there's Sprint coverage) quite a bit. What are some pointers I could get to stay under the radar next time?
Thanks for the help everyone. I really appreciate it.
My plan is to basically transfer one phone in that contract to another and get mine back in
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Not sure if that will work. They probably blocked your phone's esn, and they normally completely cancel your number, so you can't get that number back with sprint.
1.) How do I know if my data is roaming or not?
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If you are on a Sense rom, there will be a triangle above the signal bars. Not sure if this happens on an ASOP rom or not. However, if you are using one of the Verizon prl's, you will get NO notification that you are roaming.
2.) Does not updating your radio regularly affect data roaming?
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There really has only been 2 or 3 radio updates in the life of the evo, so there is no need to keep updating it. If you are not on the current radio, it can't hurt to update it.
3.) I heard (from another forum) that torrenting can affect data roaming usage. I admit I've torrented a gigantic 3+gb free to play MMORPG through tethering before. What does torrenting do to affect data roaming (the technical details of it)?
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Umm, well ANY tethering uses data, torrenting is no different, other than the fact that you are constantly using data, and obviously downloading large torrent files will use more data that downloading a 5kb email.
4.) I enjoy using tethering as I travel (in the city where there's Sprint coverage) quite a bit. What are some pointers I could get to stay under the radar next time?
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Well since sprint has unlimited data, if you are tethering on sprint's network you are fine, no matter how much data you use. It's the roaming data that will get you noticed and cancelled.
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Supposedly Sprint sent me a letter for "excessive roaming". I never really saw it, and I only tethered with 4G.
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Which did they send you? A letter for excessive roaming, excessive data usage or excessive data roaming? The only reason I as is because the OP is vague when it comes to excessive roaming and there are 3 different cases of excessive roaming.
Each are different and need to be handled differently. I would call them up and ask which was the case.
Sprint will send 2 letters and place several calls to you when you are in violation of this TOS.
I got an excessive voice roaming letter while living in an roaming area for 3 months. But when I received the letter I had already moved back.
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Which did they send you? A letter for excessive roaming, excessive data usage or excessive data roaming? The only reason I as is because the OP is vague when it comes to excessive roaming and there are 3 different cases of excessive roaming.
Each are different and need to be handled differently. I would call them up and ask which was the case.
Sprint will send 2 letters and place several calls to you when you are in violation of this TOS.
I got an excessive voice roaming letter while living in an roaming area for 3 months. But when I received the letter I had already moved back.
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Excessive data roaming, according to one of Sprint's supervisors.
The supervisor claimed that my NUMBER will be cancelled, but I will be able to enable a new number. All I'll really have to do is get Google Voice and catch my old number to reroute calls to my new number (according to that supervisor)
It's strange because I'm not sure if I'm roaming or not (in data) with Cynaogen 7.
Needless to say, I've set my data to Sprint only instead of "Automatic".
They quite frankly mercilessly cut off my line, set the plan from a max of 3 lines to 2 for 6-9 months, gave me refusal to restore my old number after I negotiated that the letter was never seen.
They looked up something on my account and knew that I used a torrent software at one point. The supervisor used that and went off on a different tangent stating that downloading illegal software is a federal offense and reason enough to cut me off... I briefly corrected him saying that I specifically downloaded a 3-4 GB file that was a free to play game.
Anyways.. I hope this helps anyone who is currently tethering their EVO or any sprint device. Hopefully no one else will make the same mistake/s I did; they were absolutely ruthless even after 4+ hours of negotiations.
I know im going to sound like a noob right now but oh well. I Never understood what roaming really is, Can someone explain it to me? I saw some threads about people hacking the prl to verizon and people getting faster speeds?. I have the unlimited plan. Will sprint charge me for roaming? My sprint 3g is crap and we don't have 4g here where i live. I'm running CM9 alpha 2. How can i hack the prl to verizon on this rom.
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I know im going to sound like a noob right now but oh well. I Never understood what roaming really is, Can someone explain it to me? I saw some threads about people hacking the prl to verizon and people getting faster speeds?. I have the unlimited plan. Will sprint charge me for roaming? My sprint 3g is crap and we don't have 4g here where i live. I'm running CM9 alpha 2. How can i hack the prl to verizon on this rom.
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Data roaming is using data from another cellular network, when outside of your service providers network area. Sprint allows unlimited roaming (as far as I know) with a catch, when a certain amount of data is exceeded they can terminate your account. A prl is a preferred roaming list, it chooses what towers your phone will connect to first which will determine speeds and service. If you install a custom prl to your phone, you may get much better service, but depending on the prl you may be roaming (some prl's your phone will alert you for roaming, others may not) if you are, and you use data a lot, you may get terminated.
Thank you so much. I went ahead and hacked the prl. if i get terminated will i have to pay a termination fee or what ?
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Thank you so much. I went ahead and hacked the prl. if i get terminated will i have to pay a termination fee or what ?
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I don't think so but to be honest with you I'm not completely sure what they do, as far as I know they just terminate your contract which is good if you don't like Sprint but you may not be able to ever sign up with them again. Are you getting better speeds now?
OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?
Dude just switch carriers, no one is forcing you to stay with them unless you have a contract. Its not like every single one has no data connection, some has and some don't. So for others that has no clear connection should just switch. Just my opinion. Seems more of a hassle taking it to court or whatever. Im not against you ok, its just something I would do.
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OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?
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They always say subject to signal strength and availability. I hate these threads...
Is it stated anywhere in writing that the extra charge is for the 4G? We all know that it IS but that does not help a legal case.
Welcome to the United States of Litigation!
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Dude just switch carriers, no one is forcing you to stay with them unless you have a contract. Its not like every single one has no data connection, some has and some don't. So for others that has no clear connection should just switch. Just my opinion. Seems more of a hassle taking it to court or whatever. Im not against you ok, its just something I would do.
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Dude, Sprint is forcing me to stay with them by contract. I still have roughly 1.5 years under contract with them. I got my first smartphone with Verizon. 3G, was in fact, 3G. I was puzzled when I went to Sprint and their signals were so weak. I'm sorry but I seem to be wasting my time telling you about my problems. Because you seem to be a Sprint minion. Maybe not, but I feel anyone that is on the side of Sprint is against me. I guess I feel like Sprint should charge users that have such terrible signals less than users that live in a signal-rich environment. I only ask for what I'm paying for. To switch now would cost me several hundred dollars. You've heard of this concept called "fair"? Well I don't think it's "fair" to have to pay the same fees as users who are getting exactly what they pay for. Would you think it was "fair" to be under a lunch contract where you and others paid for the same sandwich, but others got their sandwich piled high but you only got a skimpy sandwich? I don't think so. Fair is fair. And people like me are not being fairly treated.
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Is it stated anywhere in writing that the extra charge is for the 4G? We all know that it IS but that does not help a legal case.
Welcome to the United States of Litigation!
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robbyr,
If you think WE can figure that out don't you think a lawyer can bring that out too?
I agree with you but a class action would likely never never fly in court since they guarantee nothing. I was on Tmobile for years before Sprint and their signal and speeds were rock solid. But boy meets girl and girl wants boy on family plan so Im on Sprint for the last 2+ years and the last 6 months have been the worst. My city is getting their network vision update now so I hope thats the problem. In the meantime when my signal is poo I update profile and it picks up a bit. I shouldn't have to do this though.
If you have horrible service, get an Airave in your house. It'll be like a tower in your living room or wherever you have your high speed modem, if you gave one.
And just because someone doesn't want to jump on Sprint and their speeds doesn't mean that they're against you, it's just that they're willing to deal with the situation for now. Besides this is all temporary.
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All a class action suit will do is make Sprint poorer, make the lawyers rich, and likely change nothing. And you might get a check for 3 dollars or so...
been down that road, for most people its more headaches than anything. and anyone who says it isn't just didn't realize they sometimes miss a text or call. plus if they don't give it to u free then u gotta pay for it and its not expensive but not at all cheap. in all honesty it helps your signal so ur not dropping calls but it really isn't doing anything for speed issues, it bumped my 3g speed from about 350kbps to about to about 650kbps..almost like turbo for 3g lol.
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OK, calm down, I'm just asking! Has anyone heard of ANYONE involving themselves in a class action lawsuit against Sprint due to the next to non-existant Data that we pay a pretty penny for? It's ridiculous that we have to pay at least $30 for 4G data when most of us can't even get 3G data. My 3G data is approximately anywhere from 0.12 Mg to 0.3 Mg. And I can't even begin to get 4G data. Even the carrot of Unlimited data is nothing when data speeds are THAT sad. And I've tried 3G all over town (Louisville, KY). At least I get SOMETHING for 3G speeds. For 4G I get NOTHING. How can Sprint legally do this to us? Isn't that false advertising? They promised 3G and 4G data speeds and deliver NEITHER. Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service. I've read that alot of users keep Sprint as their provider strictly because of their unlimited data. So if they stopped unlimited data they would lose even more subscribers. Any lawyer types out there care to give their opinions?
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Where are you getting that you pay "at least 30$ a month for 4g data". The only additional data charge there is is on all smartphones, and it's only 10 bucks more a month than if you had data on a flip phone. And that 10$ is on all smartphones, so it wouldn't matter if you bought the new EVO LTE or the basic Motorola XPRT, you are paying the same price. There is no additional charge for 4g.
As to your statement "Once people start dropping Sprint due to their pathetic data speeds, they may upgrade their service."... Sprint is fixing the network. Without people dropping. Read here:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
A little snippet I would like to point out: "Sprint expects its 4G coverage footprint to cover 250 million people when the build-out is completed by the end of 2013"
Sprint is working an intensely aggressive schedule to rebuild the ENTIRE NETWORK in 3 years, increasing 3g data coverage, and putting LTE everywhere 3g is. Major cities are first on the docket, but it will increase the network signal pretty much everywhere.
My last suggestion is to read through your TOS at some point. They do not guarantee or promise 3g or 4g data anywhere, and do state that it is subject to availability in your area.
I am tired of seeing this thread pop up over and over again.
You signed a contract giving up the right to seek class action status when you agreed to the ToS.
You can remedy your situation (according to contract) by arbitration, small claims, or complaining to regulators.
ojones838 said:
Dude, Sprint is forcing me to stay with them by contract. I still have roughly 1.5 years under contract with them. I got my first smartphone with Verizon. 3G, was in fact, 3G. I was puzzled when I went to Sprint and their signals were so weak. I'm sorry but I seem to be wasting my time telling you about my problems. Because you seem to be a Sprint minion. Maybe not, but I feel anyone that is on the side of Sprint is against me. I guess I feel like Sprint should charge users that have such terrible signals less than users that live in a signal-rich environment. I only ask for what I'm paying for. To switch now would cost me several hundred dollars. You've heard of this concept called "fair"? Well I don't think it's "fair" to have to pay the same fees as users who are getting exactly what they pay for. Would you think it was "fair" to be under a lunch contract where you and others paid for the same sandwich, but others got their sandwich piled high but you only got a skimpy sandwich? I don't think so. Fair is fair. And people like me are not being fairly treated.
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You were puzzled to see Sprint's weak signals yet you stayed with them? You had 15 days to test the network and decide if you wanted to stay or not. You and only you made that decision to stay with Sprint and sign the 2 year deal and now you are *****ing about it? I have no sympathy for you nor should anybody else.
lickarock,
I am tired of seeing this thread pop up over and over again.
Why do you constantly read it?
tgruendler,
I'm sorry, no one asked you for sympathy...
Besides this is all temporary.[/QUOTE said:
What do you mean, exactly?
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akamara13,
What exactly do you mean all this is temporary?
tgruendler said:
You were puzzled to see Sprint's weak signals yet you stayed with them? You had 15 days to test the network and decide if you wanted to stay or not. You and only you made that decision to stay with Sprint and sign the 2 year deal and now you are *****ing about it? I have no sympathy for you nor should anybody else.
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I didn't have 15 days to test the network. As you can see, I get to Sprint through Credomobile. Also I didn't SIGN a 2 year deal as all my account dealings were done over the 'net. Also since when does anyone not experiment with a new device and just give up without trying to get it to work within 2 weeks? Even most stores give you 30 days. Whew! Just blowing off steam. No need to reply to this...
Ojones 838 have you thought about putting a verison prl on your phone all that roaming and sprint will ask you to leave and prodadly no etf.
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lickarock said:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
A little snippet I would like to point out: "Sprint expects its 4G coverage footprint to cover 250 million people when the build-out is completed by the end of 2013"
Sprint is working an intensely aggressive schedule to rebuild the ENTIRE NETWORK in 3 years, increasing 3g data coverage, and putting LTE everywhere 3g is. Major cities are first on the docket, but it will increase the network signal pretty much everywhere.
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I'm not saying you're wrong lickarock, I'm saying Sprint's data in the article you posted is a pipedream. I have to say "BS" on the 250 million number. That would mean that 75%+ of users would have 4G LTE coverage. Right now, Sprint doesn't even cover 75% of the users with good 3G coverage. Sprint's maps lie. I live in an "excellent" 3G area according to Sprint and get very very slow data or no data on Sprint's network.
I didn't have the option to "try" for 14 days either since I bought my phone in a different state and had it for 2 months before moving to CA. I've called several times saying "I've moved, and now my coverage is non-existent, please cancel my contract or replace my phone with one that will get a signal." Their response is "our maps show that you live in an excellent... blah blah blah". They don't care that phone calls just go to voicemail. I know of at least 7 people that have dropped Sprint and gone to AT&T or T-mobile when asking me about service and network in this area (friends and family bring their phones to me to root). Sprint is not just losing me as a customer, I'm taking another dozen or so (eventually) with me to other carriers.
-Daryel
ojones838 - I feel your pain on this, I really do. That said, a class action lawsuit isn't the way to go. Lawyers aren't the way to go for that matter. Just do what was posted above me. Use an alternate PRL and roam like no other. Sprint will kick you off without an ETF and you can switch carriers.
I too should have left within the 15 days but like a lot of others I didn't. The speeds were kind of ok in the beginning and I figured they would get better as Sprint upgraded their towers. That didn't happen. I'd heard even before switching to Sprint that the speeds were crap but I thought "really, how bad can they honestly be". Boy was I wrong...
So now I'm stuck paying for data that I don't have (thank you false advertising) unless I turn on WiMax "4G" and even that is slower than EVERY other carriers 3G. Sprint advertised specific speeds - which I've yet to see. So use another PRL and get out of the contract. That's what I'm doing at least.