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I know there is tons of threads on this. I understand CM6 is basically all we got. Right? CM6 is great and all... But the lack of 4G is a killer, i use it frequently. So i just cant live without it... Its nice to have when you are downloading Big ROMs (psx) for the emulators our phone is so good at playing.... But, DAMN did I love the Wiimote support on CM6! It basically made any other form of Emulation obsolete for me. CM6 is a godsend for emulators... But it lacks the bandwidth I need/want to download ROMs (among other things I.E. Youtube HQ).
It seems like i got to choose between 4G and Wiimote support. Why cant we (functionality) all get along, the EVO can do it. But, Why can't it do it at the same time?
So my question is... How do I get Wiimote support and 4G on my EVO? Does anyone have BOTH of these capabilities?
Btw, my current ROM that i have been nestled into for about 3 weeks is VaelPaks ROM. And I'm getting itchy to Flash something new, but only if it meets this criteria.. or I wont be making an upgrade in my eyes... Doesn't anyone else feel the same?
4G was cobbled and spliced together by HTC. There's no good documentation on how to implement it and HTC is not required to release the source code or any documentation to support 4G. The only way to enable 4G in a ROM like CM is to essentially reverse engineer it - not an easy task. The Evo is also only one of 2 phones released so far with 4G. Worse still is that Sprint is using WiMax technology and is thus far the only significant carrier in the world to commit to WiMax. Pretty much everyone else is going with LTE, so there will be less development on WiMax devices.
The HTC software that comes with working 4G also comes with HTC's special Bluetooth software. The HTC Bluetooth implementation does not include the Bluetooth HID support that is needed for wiimote or keyboard support. Unfortunately, it's also not a simple matter of replacing the Bluetooth software because HTC's Sense permeates the Android system and doesn't play nice.
Based on the way things are going, CM6 is your best bet for eventually getting wiimote and 4G in one ROM. Sadly, 4G support was dropped from the upcoming 6.1 release of CM. Development of 4G probably won't start again until 6.1 is finalized. Personally, I'm worried that Cyanogen will end up working on other devices (e.g. the T-Mobile G2) or that Gingerbread will be released. The longer that CM goes without 4G support, the less likely it will ever happen. Eventually the Evo will become obsolete or at least, a lower priority.
Another possibility is to look into dual booting 2 ROMs. Not nearly as good a solution as having it all in one ROM, but certainly less time consuming than nandroid.
Hi, I'm asking for some opinions from Defy owners, please.
A friend of mine is looking to get a new phone on contract (UK), around the £15/20mth mark. I'm an old hand with Android (mostly HTC handsets though) and therefore his first port of call for advice. I am however a bit strapped for time at the moment, and can't scour all the forums for the info I need to make my recommendations.
I'm pretty sure that I'll tell him to get a Defy or an LG Optimus One.
Looking at the specs it seems like the Defy is the winner on pretty much all counts:
Screen: Defy 3.7" 480x854 Optimus 3.2" 320x480
RAM: Both 512MB
ROM: Defy 1.9GB Optimus 512MB
Battery: Defy 1540mAh Optimus 1500mAh
Camera: Defy 5MP Optimus 3.1MP
So, what is the problem I hear you cry? Well, as we all know, hardware specs don't tell the whole story. From the little I've read about the LG software, it's pretty close to vanilla Android - and it's 2.2 as well. The Defy has the overhead of Motoblur and is running on 2.1. And we all know how Motorola treats updates on Android.
What I want to know is this: what is the Defy like on a day to day basis, with the stock UK ROM? My friend will not want to root (or have me do it for him) - he just wants a phone that works out of the box.
Also, you will probably be able to save me a lot of searching if you answer this question - has Motorola said anything about updating the Defy to Froyo? If so, when? LG has committed to upgrading the Optimus One to Gingerbread - I know that will never happen for the Defy, but Froyo would be nice.
Also, any other relevant info you think I ought to know would be greatly appreciated, ie. known faults, bugs etc. I realise it must have the locked Moto bootloader.
Thanks!
I believe you've summed it up pretty well, and believe that your friend will like the defy out of the box over the optimus for all the reasons you mentioned, not to mention this thing is far more accident-resistant over the optimus. As for Froyo, official roms have already been released in several markets so I would assume all markets will get it officially. As you know, there are plenty of unofficial froyo roms and some without blur that work great on here if you want to go that route (but doesn't sound like you have the time to).
As for moto-blur, it's not that bad...I have two (one for me and one for wife), mine's rooted and overclocked among some other things and running launcher pro (so technically still has blur but it's not launched)...and hers is stock, sure my quadrant score is higher than hers, but for the day to day tasks that 95% users are using, the stock works great and is snappy. I really can't see much difference in speed between hers and mine with most stuff that we do on it. That being said, sounds like your friend isn't going to be in the 5% like those on this forum and therefore the need to go all out with the phone and have to hack the crap out of it, so I believe the stock defy should make a happy friend... But...that's MHO and everyone's preference is different!
btw, I played with the optimus when I was shopping phones, and went with defy...loving every second!
Thanks for that. I posted the same question over in the Optimus One forums, and they all recommended the Defy as well! So, problem solved I guess.
Are there any known issues with the Defy? I'm sure I read somewhere about the headphone port failing regularly, as well as the speaker packing in as well?
yea there were a headspeaker issues ...but thats fixed in newer versions of the phone, so it shouldnt be a problem
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yea there were a headspeaker issues ...but thats fixed in newer versions of the phone, so it shouldnt be a problem
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That's good to know, thanks.
READ BEFORE UPDATING: Samsung Captivate Glide gets official nod on ICS from AT&T...
I know there is another thread, but this is to make you aware of several issues.
From AT&T press release for the Vivid ICS that is already OTA live:
android 4.0 now available to htc vivid™ customers
AT&T the First U.S. Carrier to Issue Latest Android Version via Upgrade
Update Includes Beats By Dr. Dre Audio™ and Updated HTC Sense™ Experience
Android Upgrades for Several AT&T Devices to Follow
DALLAS, March 22, 2012 – AT&T* today announced the availability of Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) for HTC Vivid™ customers. After installing the software update, customers can now enjoy the optimized audio experience of Beats by Dr. Dre Audio™ and new and improved HTC Sense™ experience. Information about these features and more can be found at http://www.att.com/vividupdate. HTC Vivid™ will be the first U.S. smartphone to receive Ice Cream Sandwich as an update and the first to be issued by a wireless carrier. It will be followed by several other AT&T devices in the coming months:
LG Nitro
Motorola ATRIX 2
Motorola ATRIX 4G
Pantech Burst
Pantech Element
Samsung Captivate Glide
Samsung Galaxy Note
Samsung Galaxy S II
Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket
Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9
Focused on bringing the power of Android to the surface, Android 4.0 makes common actions more visible and lets you navigate with simple, intuitive gestures. Refined animations and feedback throughout the system make interactions engaging and interesting. An entirely new typeface optimized for high-resolution screens improves readability and brings a polished, modern feel to the user interface.
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While the update is still about 3 to 4 weeks away, I want to make sure certain issues that have previously risen, don't happen on the Glide.
Firstly, If you are unlocked & have CWM installed, do not try to flash the update without first preparing yourself & your device. Updates on devices that have incorrectly made CWM versions that cannot be not overwritten have & will cause issues from simple black screen all the way to emergency dload mode.
to use official updates you need to relock your device & be using a correctly keyed AT&T rom.
My advice to you is to wait for a final OTA to be released & rooted & then sideload the update. ICS will however require a new boot section & possibly radio.
Once I have time, I will write a tutorial based on both my Vivid & SGS2 update experiences.
Until then be happy that you now own the only ICS slider so far.
this is so incredible nice
just ordered this phone a week ago from germany.
It works perfekt, but i was a bit disapointed, that there will be no ICS update...
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Does this mean,, the Unlocked (Network Unlock)) has to be restored back the NETWORK LOCKED mode.??
Will the initial unlock key work later also ??
will this issue be more dramatic for the Canadian, Rogers Glide (I927R)? When it comes to Rogers, they really don't announce if an Android device will get (or not) an update...
Roeni said:
this is so incredible nice
just ordered this phone a week ago from germany.
It works perfekt, but i was a bit disapointed, that there will be no ICS update...
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Is the Captivate Glide available for sale in Germany?
Hi
I can't update OTA the updte from ATT. After the package gets downloaded to my phone my phones reboots and then it cancels the update.
Do you know if it is failing because my phone is rooted?
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Is the Captivate Glide available for sale in Germany?
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No, i bought it via wireless.amazon.com and shipped it to germany with borderlinx. All you need is a unlock code and everything works finde
I will release a rooted Version once it is released, so don't worry Canada & Germany! I love my Vivid, but the Glide has really surprised me with some of its nice media functions & overall responsiveness. It is also one of the few devices that will operate on the 5Ghz wireless-n band.
So far, only AT&T has announced plans for ICS on the Glide. Samsung told me the same.
As for lock & unlock, you always need to relock devices for OTA updates, but the one you are getting now is not ICS, just 2.3.6. I suggest skipping that one & waiting for the ICS build which will be here in roughly over 3-weeks. LTE devices are getting first run from AT&T.
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I will release a rooted Version once it is released, so don't worry Canada & Germany! I love my Vivid, but the Glide has really surprised me with some of its nice media functions & overall responsiveness. It is also one of the few devices that will operate on the 5Ghz wireless-n band.
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Oh dear sir my deepest thanks to you! At least now I see light!
Only 3-4 weeks? I thought it was a couple months...?
Wow that is good news!
This is one of reasons I love XDA ppl .thanks for the heads up ...i will wait until we have a rooted one .thanks
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Until then be happy that you now own the only ICS slider so far.
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Slight nitpick. The Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro has also been confirmed to be upgraded to ICS. Of course, its specs are somewhat worse than the Captivate Glide...
Just a question all this talk about ICS. Is ICS really that much better then Gingerbread. I mean I have seen the slick new interface but will it be better at handling opened apps and will battery life be better. I am just wondering if I should upgrade or since Gingerbread is working fine (If it ain't broke).
JB
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Just a question all this talk about ICS. Is ICS really that much better then Gingerbread. I mean I have seen the slick new interface but will it be better at handling opened apps and will battery life be better. I am just wondering if I should upgrade or since Gingerbread is working fine (If it ain't broke).
JB
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To me, being able to have a real in app spellchecker makes it more than worth updating. I hate typing emails on gingerbread because I am such a terrible speller. And I don't have time for all the copying and pasting from one app to another. Anyways hopes this helps.
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Just a question all this talk about ICS. Is ICS really that much better then Gingerbread. I mean I have seen the slick new interface but will it be better at handling opened apps and will battery life be better. I am just wondering if I should upgrade or since Gingerbread is working fine (If it ain't broke).
JB
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You can use Google Chrome with ICS
dudejb said:
Just a question all this talk about ICS. Is ICS really that much better then Gingerbread. I mean I have seen the slick new interface but will it be better at handling opened apps and will battery life be better. I am just wondering if I should upgrade or since Gingerbread is working fine (If it ain't broke).
JB
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In ICS Android itself makes better use of the hardware inside the phone. One of the big things in ICS is that Android itself starts using the GPU for graphics, where it used to pass that to the CPU. This means a far more optimised system overall, which should translate to better battery life.
Because the CPU has to do less to little of something it wasn't specifically built for. This should free the CPU up as the graphics load is now handled by the GPU. But it's unlikely that this freed up CPU-time will mean the CPU gets to sit there, idly. It will probably be used for something else. So that could mean that ICS uses the CPU equally to Gingerbread, and uses the GPU more than Gingerbread. This would mean a shorter battery life.
Going on the information I've got I'd say ICS will be a better system overall. But it still remains to be seen, time will really tell.
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In ICS Android itself makes better use of the hardware inside the phone. One of the big things in ICS is that Android itself starts using the GPU for graphics, where it used to pass that to the CPU. This means a far more optimised system overall, which should translate to better battery life.
Because the CPU has to do less to little of something it wasn't specifically built for. This should free the CPU up as the graphics load is now handled by the GPU. But it's unlikely that this freed up CPU-time will mean the CPU gets to sit there, idly. It will probably be used for something else. So that could mean that ICS uses the CPU equally to Gingerbread, and uses the GPU more than Gingerbread. This would mean a shorter battery life.
Going on the information I've got I'd say ICS will be a better system overall. But it still remains to be seen, time will really tell.
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So we don't really know if battery life will be better or worse. I like that you mention that the GPU will be more efficiently used over gingerbread, but as you said only time will tell. Guess as always I will wait and see what others think of it once they install it and then see if I will upgrade. Thank you for your input.
Does anyone know if in the updates there will be vertical-landscape transitions? The lack of them on here makes me cringe! Is it Samsung enabled/can we reenable them?
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sounds good ;]
atm i have 2.3.5
but if i go to settings->check for updates it say there is no update
shouldn`t it have to show 2.3.6 for me atm?
Looks like the HTC Evo Design 4G is launching (or re-launching, depending on how you look at it) on Boost Mobile, May 31st. This phone uses our chipset / processor - MSM8655 - and will launch with ICS / Sense 3.6.
I believe this is the first phone that uses the same chipset as ours that will have ICS. I'd imagine that an update for ours would also be in tow, as that means HTC has already finished a proper ICS / Sense 3.6 rom for our chipset (albeit different screen resolution, qHD). I'm also thinking that our devs (might?) could use this to build a 3.0 kernel for our phone.
Thoughts?
EDIT: Also of note, Sprint's VP of Product said the Sprint variety of the phone will get ICS in June. http://blogs.computerworld.com/20152/sprint_android_40_htc_evo_3d_htc_evo_design_4g
So that also bodes well for us (not taking into account VZW's suckiness in deploying updates)
dirkdigles said:
Looks like the HTC Evo Design 4G is launching (or re-launching, depending on how you look at it) on Boost Mobile, May 31st. This phone uses our chipset / processor - MSM8655 - and will launch with ICS / Sense 3.6.
I believe this is the first phone that uses the same chipset as ours that will have ICS. I'd imagine that an update for ours would also be in tow, as that means HTC has already finished a proper ICS / Sense 3.6 rom for our chipset (albeit different screen resolution, qHD). I'm also thinking that our devs (might?) could use this to build a 3.0 kernel for our phone.
Thoughts?
EDIT: Also of note, Sprint's VP of Product said the Sprint variety of the phone will get ICS in June. http://blogs.computerworld.com/20152/sprint_android_40_htc_evo_3d_htc_evo_design_4g
So that also bodes well for us (not taking into account VZW's suckiness in deploying updates)
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its possible *something* could come of their kernel source, but who knows
really we will ultimately need our own kernel source (not even our cousin inc s/dhd/desire s source) to build a functional 3.xx kernel with working radio....not that its impossible i guess, but what is actually likely
as for pulling the rom itself, it would have to be resized to scale properly (unless htc included hdpi images in all the apks (unlikely), and if we really wanted sense 3.6 i could have ported it from the sensation xl (didnt seem worth it, since we ll ultimately get our own version at some point, and sense 4 is so much better imo)
but the best take away is what you said: that its good to see htc has ics going on our chipset...which is always a positive
Hi LG guys,
I have general concerns with the amount of dev support that the LG OG series receives. Currently, I am using a Motorola Atrix 4G and I just RECENTLY unlocked the bootloader and rooted it this past weekend and felt a sense of great accomplishment when I completed these tasks after hitting several road blocks. I have to say, I was rather impressed with the amount of relevant information, help, and guides floating around on the Internet a good 1.5 years after its release. I was also impressed with the fact some developers are still working to improve builds.
Unfortunately, I feel a compelled to upgrade my phone since the Atrix 4G does not support LTE. I've been looking at viable options and refuse to go with Apple because I have always loved the Android OS and its possibilities. In fact, I'm even more in love with it now, after being able to put JB on my Atrix.
I did little research and narrowed down my desired upgrade choices to:
Samsung Galaxy S4
LG Optimus G Pro or G2
To be honest, I was set on getting the SGS4 this coming April, however I recently learned that it's likely the S4 will have minimal CM support (if any) and I just can't imagine working with buggy builds for an extended period of time. (I hear the SGS3 still doesn't have a stable CM based build)
So aside from the babble, I was wondering:
1. Is the LG dev community well developed and established? (Might be stupid question to some people, sorry)
2. Does the LG OG line have a stable CM based build?
3. Does LG support the dev community or does it take a Samsung approach (asshole approach) ?
4. How has development and support been for older phones?
5. Does LG commonly make two versions of their flagship phone(s)? [I.E. Samsungs ship with either Snapdragon or Exynos] And which version usually receives a greater amount of developer attention?
6. What's the build quality like on LG OG series? Plastic like Samsung or what? Personal opinions are very welcome.
If anyone else has any info that they feel would further allow me to make a well informed decision, please share it. I know that smartphones are released frequently these days, but I'm still in search for a smartphone that can last me at least 3-5 years (silly I know, but I had a Moto RAZR flip phone forever and loved it). I have yet to find the one ;/
1.The community is given by the users.I guess there is no point in developing for no one, right?So, if there will be many G users, the devs will come too. Right now there a few guys working(thanks for that),but the G(at least the E975 i have) is quite new and it takes time to start things.
2.No, CM is not officially implemented yet.It depends somewhat on 1.
3.Can't really answer that,but,as far as i know, LG is more open to devs than samsung.
4.Why don't you look yourself?Search button is a miracle.
5.No, LG makes only 1 flagship,with differences only in camera,storage and lte modem.There is G with 8mpx,16gb storage+microsd slot and G with 13mpx camera,32gb storage and no micro sd slot.But the CPU/GPU/RAM is identical.
6.G is way better than Samsung's plastics.
In the future can you post questions in the section that says "questions".
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In the future can you post questions in the section that says "questions".
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I thought about it, but I wanted to get as much feedback as possible.
Personally, if I was going to get any phone right now, I would get the HTC one, with the optimus as my second choice. It will likely have more users and more developers due to greater availability. It has superior specifications, a better screen, better build quality, and supposedly better software. Our phone is great too, just not as new or popular. The glass feels great.
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One and optimus are different categories.full hd display vs hd display.compare the one with g pro,s4,xperia z.optimus is top android at medium price.at least here at orange romania,the 975 comes with a super docking station included(LG ND5521).only the dock costs 120 pounds(more than 200 dollars).i payed for my g 300 euros,which a great deal.i could've get the s3 cheaper,but you can't compare them.
I think lg got an unfair bad reputation,since the time lg made phones like chocolate,shine...they were crappy phone,always having issues.but google made the right call and let lg make the nexus4.
Basically,our g is an improved n
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kimitza said:
One and optimus are different categories.full hd display vs hd display.compare the one with g pro,s4,xperia z.optimus is top android at medium price.at least here at orange romania,the 975 comes with a super docking station included(LG ND5521).only the dock costs 120 pounds(more than 200 dollars).i payed for my g 300 euros,which a great deal.i could've get the s3 cheaper,but you can't compare them.
I think lg got an unfair bad reputation,since the time lg made phones like chocolate,shine...they were crappy phone,always having issues.but google made the right call and let lg make the nexus4.
Basically,our g is an improved n
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Similar specs and similar price in most regions.
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I think you should include in your basket HTC ONE (M7) and Xperia Z.
Apart of that.
1. Is the LG dev community well developed and established? (Might be stupid question to some people, sorry) (Not yet, there is a few phones on the market, maybe in the future - People dont like LG, )
2. Does the LG OG line have a stable CM based build? (Not yet, but it will)
3. Does LG support the dev community or does it take a Samsung approach (asshole approach) ? (Neither of them does, but LG seems to be more open about it)
4. How has development and support been for older phones? (Its a market dependent, so, if your phone have been sold a lot, it'll be supported here in XDA, if not, dont expect too much from LG)
5. Does LG commonly make two versions of their flagship phone(s)? [I.E. Samsungs ship with either Snapdragon or Exynos] And which version usually receives a greater amount of developer attention? (LGOG has a lot of model, but basicaly they are pretty much the same, all of them has same processor and screen)
6. What's the build quality like on LG OG series? Plastic like Samsung or what? Personal opinions are very welcome. (My girl has a SGS3 and I'm used to handling it, LG for sure has better built material)
cheers
tungzta said:
Hi LG guys,
I have general concerns with the amount of dev support that the LG OG series receives. Currently, I am using a Motorola Atrix 4G and I just RECENTLY unlocked the bootloader and rooted it this past weekend and felt a sense of great accomplishment when I completed these tasks after hitting several road blocks. I have to say, I was rather impressed with the amount of relevant information, help, and guides floating around on the Internet a good 1.5 years after its release. I was also impressed with the fact some developers are still working to improve builds.
Unfortunately, I feel a compelled to upgrade my phone since the Atrix 4G does not support LTE. I've been looking at viable options and refuse to go with Apple because I have always loved the Android OS and its possibilities. In fact, I'm even more in love with it now, after being able to put JB on my Atrix.
I did little research and narrowed down my desired upgrade choices to:
Samsung Galaxy S4
LG Optimus G Pro or G2
To be honest, I was set on getting the SGS4 this coming April, however I recently learned that it's likely the S4 will have minimal CM support (if any) and I just can't imagine working with buggy builds for an extended period of time. (I hear the SGS3 still doesn't have a stable CM based build)
So aside from the babble, I was wondering:
1. Is the LG dev community well developed and established? (Might be stupid question to some people, sorry)
2. Does the LG OG line have a stable CM based build?
3. Does LG support the dev community or does it take a Samsung approach (asshole approach) ?
4. How has development and support been for older phones?
5. Does LG commonly make two versions of their flagship phone(s)? [I.E. Samsungs ship with either Snapdragon or Exynos] And which version usually receives a greater amount of developer attention?
6. What's the build quality like on LG OG series? Plastic like Samsung or what? Personal opinions are very welcome.
If anyone else has any info that they feel would further allow me to make a well informed decision, please share it. I know that smartphones are released frequently these days, but I'm still in search for a smartphone that can last me at least 3-5 years (silly I know, but I had a Moto RAZR flip phone forever and loved it). I have yet to find the one ;/
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I wont answer all of your questions individually but If I was to buy a phone in the next months, I would go for Sony Xperia ZL. Sony was named OEM of the year for developper support by XDA staff. They have a decent track report of supporting 2011 onward phones.
I also came from a Atrix. It died from the infamous wifi-bootloop-bug-of-death. The LG Optimus G Pro is a Phablet and it might be too large for you. The S4 will likelly get poor developper support since most Cyanogen staff lifted their nose at it.
As of now, the Optimus G dev community is ok but since the phone have yet to be released in Europe, Not many people are working on it. There also is lots different versions of the same phone with some incompatibility. We have CM for the Canadian version but it's not official. Far from it.
Good luck
As some owners says, the new xperia good on paper and terrible in life.
Crappy screen, performance, battery life, a lot of bugs including auto bricks.