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Hello. Received my HTC Desire today (typing this post on this lovely device)
Unfortunately, I'm noticing a subtle pinkish display instead of white and wondering if anyone else is experiencing this?
This is my first AMOLED display and wondering if this is normal or have I got a faulty display and should get it replaced?
sounds like a faulty display, as you can see on many videos on youtube none of them are pinkish
if you have another camera (or phone with cam) try to take a pic of it and post it. ... it does sound strange never heard anyone complain about the display
The only pinkish thing on my phone is background in Google Mail app. But that's how it's supposed to be I guess.
If the screen brightness is turned to a minimum, there is a certainly visible pinkish tint to the screen. This isn't bothering me though as I don't ever plan to reduce the backlight to that level!
weirdwilli said:
If the screen brightness is turned to a minimum, there is a certainly visible pinkish tint to the screen. This isn't bothering me though as I don't ever plan to reduce the backlight to that level!
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I think that pinkishness (now that's a word!) comes from overall theme colors. If you turn it down to the minimum and visit a while page on your browser it won't look pinkish. At least it doesn't to me.
Thanks everyone. Tried the suggestions and here's what happened.
If I turn down the brightness, the subtle pinkish display becomes very pinkish, definitely exaggerates the pink hue effect ...
If I turn up the brightness to full, the pinkish display disappears.
Here's the funny thing ... Google Mail definitely has a slight pink hue, regardless of what the brightness level is but in all other apps, it doesn't ...
So, fellow xda'ers ... should I replace it or not ...? I wish I could say the subtle pink hue doesn't bother me, but I can't help notice it in Google Mail (which also happens to be my number one, most used application).
Really, I need to know whether this is a fault (or the start of this display becoming 'more' faulty) or just something that AMOLED displays generally exhibit ...
Your thoughts are much appreciated, as always ...
khyasad said:
Thanks everyone. Tried the suggestions and here's what happened.
If I turn down the brightness, the subtle pinkish display becomes very pinkish, definitely exaggerates the pink hue effect ...
If I turn up the brightness to full, the pinkish display disappears.
Here's the funny thing ... Google Mail definitely has a slight pink hue, regardless of what the brightness level is but in all other apps, it doesn't ...
So, fellow xda'ers ... should I replace it or not ...? I wish I could say the subtle pink hue doesn't bother me, but I can't help notice it in Google Mail (which also happens to be my number one, most used application).
Really, I need to know whether this is a fault (or the start of this display becoming 'more' faulty) or just something that AMOLED displays generally exhibit ...
Your thoughts are much appreciated, as always ...
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I would still recommend you take a pic of the screen in "normal" brightness and post it, .. that way every one can see and compare it to their own device (preferably use stock wallpaper).
This happens on the Nexus One too. There is nothing to be concerned about.
irkan said:
I would still recommend you take a pic of the screen in "normal" brightness and post it, .. that way every one can see and compare it to their own device (preferably use stock wallpaper).
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Hi, will try to take a photo ... I'm out and about at the mo, but will be home later tonight ... Will use my HTC HD2 to take the photo and post it up ...
Think hue you see is probably due to a characteristic of the amoled used in the Desire (and Nexus One). Have a read here.
I get this too I just assumed it was due to the AMOLED screen.
khyasad said:
Hi, will try to take a photo ... I'm out and about at the mo, but will be home later tonight ... Will use my HTC HD2 to take the photo and post it up ...
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well that will introduce a pink blob then the HTC camera problem
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Think hue you see is probably due to a characteristic of the amoled used in the Desire (and Nexus One). Have a read here.
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No i think his issue is something different, .. as he is noticing it on the pictures also not only text, ... (text is mostly effected because usually the black and white intersects, thast where the problem appears). however in the pictures, there should not be a problem (unless if this picture is black/white ofcourse)
I have this too, and I have two Desires - it only appears on one of them, so not all machines are the same. See my post new post from this morning.
XDAgeek said:
I have this too, and I have two Desires - it only appears on one of them, so not all machines are the same. See my post new post from this morning.
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can anyone of you please post a pic, ... i would really like to know how serious it is
It's NOT serious. In fact you could say the pinkish one is slightly warmer (which many people prefer), leaving the other machine looking slightly blue and colder.
Unless the machines are side by side, you'd never notice. There is probably more difference between your desktop computer and your laptop.
i have a zune hd and that is amoled and there is not even a slight hint of pink, so this is not something to do with amoled as a technology in general.
Figured I'd post this, clearly pink hue in comparison to the iphone. However this is one of the only videos I've noticed it in
Hmm, cant post links as I'm new,
youtube.com/watch?v=Tbb1b3AXOGs
Yes, just wanted to post that one. I found another one.
Funny thing is that some devices have that effect, some of them hoesn 't (or effect is not visibile on video).
I've found out, that the Amoled can't display perfect black. I tried the desktop clock thing, the blackle Google page (scrolled to black only area), and I made a photo in PhotoShop completely black and open it up in gallery.
What I noticed is, that the screen still is displaying something when it should be black. This is very easy to see if you put the phone to sleep when displaying such black.
What am I missing? Doesn't the Amoled completely turn of a pixel that is black? Can someone try to replicate this?
Do you think it's possible that I have an lcd desire and just don't know it?
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I have also a Hero (with lcd display) and black on my Desire is "more black" than Hero's
For me it's ok
If you look at LCD screens through a circular polarisation filter you'll sometimes see coloured patterns on it, or it will get completely filtered out at a certain angle. To the best of my knowledge, OLEDs don't emit polarised light, so if you've been to see Avatar or another movie in Real3D and walked away with the glasses then you can use them as an LCD detector...
(The blacking out effect works as a cool CSI-esque monitor dust detector)
No disrespect, but... who cares???
So the blacks are not as deep as say, a Kuro plasma. This is a smartphone, not a home theater tv.
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No disrespect, but... who cares???
So the blacks are not as deep as say, a Kuro plasma. This is a smartphone, not a home theater tv.
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no disrespect but,...
well real black "off pixel" don't use power so all the people who care about batterylife might care...
s.
I don't think they do emit light on blacks. I have noticed that in a completely dark room I can't see blacks on my Desire at all, it emits no visual light. Maybe the black you were testing isn't pure black.
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"It's like, how much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black."
Couldn't help myself
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I do agree that it is much better than any lcd. BUT black should be no light at all. When you turn off the screen when all the pixels are supposed to be off, you see a change. You can also see the outline of the screen when it is in any of the previously mentioned methods of darkness.
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I did the following test :
- found a room where I could be in complete darkness
- used the following enclosed file (a pure RGB=(0,0,0) 800x480 png file) and displayed it fullscreen on my phone.
- use the palm of a hand to cover the 4 lit buttons
- the screen is pretty damn BLACK ! (an LCD screen, next to it, also displaying black pixels, would look like a torchlight)
- After a minute or so, the eyes getting used to the darkness, I could very slightly see the screen. I don't know how the phone is built, but I'm guessing it's a light "leak" coming from the LED(s) of the 4 buttons.
I tried this procedure at various brightness settings (from min to max) : the remaining light coming from the screen did not change.
Is there a mod to kill the buttons backlight ?
It is possible to kill the backlights, but have not tried it myself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704977&highlight=buttons+backlight
Ok, switched off the buttons backlight thx to Flaggie. The screen indeed still emits some light when displaying a full screen black picture. Strange.
It would be interesting to get an explanation from HTC about this, but i'm pretty sure it pointless hoping they would reply to such a question. I'll give it a try...
Perhaps you hae one of those new Desire models with a LCD screen?
No, I bought it the day it came out. Try out on your own. The test I detailed is pretty straight forward...
kekkle said:
Perhaps you hae one of those new Desire models with a LCD screen?
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That is what I thought at first, but than the amount of light on dark would change when you change the brightness.
I want to know what HTC has to say about this.
PS: I bought my phone in June.
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OMG does any of you know how a led screen works? lol Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode its name clearly states that the pixels are self-illuminating so clearly unless the screen is of the display is always going to give some light off
It is actually the other way around. They are self emitting, they can turn off. LCDs, however have a backlight, which doesn't turn off, so some light still passes through.
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OLED can havae infinate contrast ratios. I have a cowon s9, it has an OLED screen and in a pitch black room you cannot tell it's on. The desire does emit some light even on true black :-/
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OMG does any of you know how a led screen works? lol Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode its name clearly states that the pixels are self-illuminating so clearly unless the screen is of the display is always going to give some light off
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OMG please read the Wikipedia article...
Unlike over saturated colors and Pentile jagginess which are clearly visible and to some point distracting (at least to me) this seem like pure academic issue, since it can be visible only in total darkness and even then it is not visible unless screen is completely black.
What would be practical purpose in looking at black screen in darkness?
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Unlike over saturated colors and Pentile jagginess which are clearly visible and to some point distracting (at least to me) this seem like pure academic issue, since it can be visible only in total darkness and even then it is not visible unless screen is completely black.
What would be practical purpose in looking at black screen in darkness?
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I agree. This is an academic issue, but aren't you a bit disturbed by the fact that there has been soo much talk about this oled screen and its pure black, and it was all a lie?
I think the problem might be in the image to screen processing where it gets converted to the pentile matrix(and over saturated).
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Hey xda forum!
I just bought the awesome phone, desire, but i noticed that my screen is blue-greenish tint, compared to my friends Desire. I think i can live with it, but is there anything to do? i've searched for this problem and found that the samsung vibrant also has this problem.
what can i do, is there any way u can change the setting of ur display? turning brightness up helps, but outside, my friends desire is easier to see/read compared to mine.
You may have it set so that brightness is Auto,
Settings > Display > Brightness
It was set to auto but that really look awful
So it is on full brightness now
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ninjaijutsu said:
It was set to auto but that really look awful
So it is on full brightness now
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the amoled screen does have a blue tint, from what i beleve blue led's die out really quickly, Samsung on purpose made the screen to over display blue, and as time goes on, the blue will die to a yellow. So if your phone is more blue today, it will last longer tomorrow. also Samsung tunes all of their displays (TVs and all) towards the bluer end of the spectrum because it gives the display a higher apparent brightness because our eyes perceive bluish white as being brighter than yellowish white even with no actual brightness difference.
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the amoled screen does have a blue tint, from what i beleve blue led's die out really quickly, Samsung on purpose made the screen to over display blue, and as time goes on, the blue will die to a yellow. So if your phone is more blue today, it will last longer tomorrow. also Samsung tunes all of their displays (TVs and all) towards the bluer end of the spectrum because it gives the display a higher apparent brightness because our eyes perceive bluish white as being brighter than yellowish white even with no actual brightness difference.
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thanks for the info, that actually good news followed up on ur info and read about it on wiki.
i guess thats the only way they can expand the life time of old amoled displays.
back to auto brightness
I just bought my desire and have same problem ad u guys. I accepted the fact that blue had a low lifespan, but was still trying to hunt for a solution. After dl many brightness apps I found, Brightness profiles. I started playing around to change the brightness and notice some weird flickness. Example at 74 % it was more "yellow" than on 75%. At 96 % had less blue tint than 100 %. I could see it clear under no light before I went to sleep. So I guess they are defect but Ye, that's my workaround cuz I'm too lazy to return the phone and I like the cool tint now, or well it got better
Just got my VZW galaxy nexus, and im loving it so far, but have noticed something odd: toward the top of the screen (about 1/4 of the way down from the top) there seems to be a very slight green tint, noticeable only when looking at a dark background (like the settings menu).
It's kind of hard to explain, does anyone else have something similar on their phones? Is this normal for amoled screens or should I ask for a replacement phone?
i believe it has to do with it being a pentile screen... well, 'HD' pentile, but still..
i'd say if you try an exchange, make sure you the test the other in store first.
can anyone with a galaxy nexus please post a photo of their phone on the settings menu? (scroll all the way down)
melterx12 said:
can anyone with a galaxy nexus please post a photo of their phone on the settings menu? (scroll all the way down)
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Pretty sure the setting menu is a background gradient with an intended color shift.
But yeah, mine has a blueish/greenish hue if I tilt the phone away or towards me in portrait mode. Straight-on, I don't notice anything.
yeah i am talking about viewing straight on
mine has this greenish tint slightly at the top right screen...
that settings menu then scroll all the way down is normal.. the color is not as dark as the top. I'm seeing greenish tint when on white background
I have a very light greenish tint on the right side of the phone on white backgrounds with text when at low/automatic brightness. The green goes away when I bump brightness to 40%+.
Did you try that?
Oddly, when I ran pixel checker, the pure white background has no green tint to it at all.
Yeah, at low brightness I see a tint/haze but at full brightness, everything looks beautiful.
Welcome to the world of pentile.
I see the same green tint on my screen. I thought it was normal, but I compared it to another unit today and saw that my display was both dimmer at the same brightness level and had a greenish cast and different color temperature than the unit I was comparing it to. I'm not sure if this is within the normal variance for these displays, but my phone certainly looks worse to me than the one I compared it to.
Both units also showed a green/blue tint when viewed off axis but with greater discoloration on mine. The second unit showed almost no discernible tint when viewing a white screen straight on unlike mine.
melterx12 said:
Just got my VZW galaxy nexus, and im loving it so far, but have noticed something odd: toward the top of the screen (about 1/4 of the way down from the top) there seems to be a very slight green tint, noticeable only when looking at a dark background (like the settings menu).
It's kind of hard to explain, does anyone else have something similar on their phones? Is this normal for amoled screens or should I ask for a replacement phone?
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i have the same problem. Sometimes (usually after a power down and restart) my entire screen is very dark and has a, very obvious, green tint to it. I compared my phone to my girlfriends at the same display setting and the tint is very obvious (especially when i'm viewing menu, text messages, browser). When i adjust the brightness it seems to make it less obvious, but still there. However after certain power down and restart this "green tint" seems to 'go away' only to either gradually re-appear or just happen when my phone self adjusts to "automatic brightness" setting.
p.s. my phone also, had another minor issue of random re-start when listening to music (via google music) and adjusting the sound effects option. After that restart my phones display was significantly tinted and dark. Weird, Either way getting a replacement unit tomorrow.
Mine has a very slight green tint on the left hand side of the screen when at the lowest brightness and viewing a white background.
I normally have the brightness bumped up a bit, but it still bugs me when I have it low
EDIT: Checked pixel checker, has the green tint. I can definitely see it on the keyboard as I'm typing this though
I took my unit in to Verizon today for an exchange. New one doesn't have as significant of color shifting or banding issues.
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I took my unit in to Verizon today for an exchange. New one doesn't have as significant of color shifting or banding issues.
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yeah i got mine replaced the next day, all good now. No green tint, reduced banding, and much better viewing angles (the first one heavily tinted green or pink colors when viewing it from the right or left side, respectively)
Alright, got a replacement today.
No green tint that I can see, almost no banding and the colors don't change like, at all when I tilt the phone.
Now my nexus truly is perfect
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DoctorSasquatch said:
Alright, got a replacement today.
No green tint that I can see, almost no banding and the colors don't change like, at all when I tilt the phone.
Now my nexus truly is perfect
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Sorry, I find this very hard to believe. *ALL* pentile AMOLEDs change colours like crazy when you look at them at a sharp angle. It's a characteristic trait of this kind of display.
Pics from various angles or it didn't happen. ;-)
Valynor said:
Sorry, I find this very hard to believe. *ALL* pentile AMOLEDs change colours like crazy when you look at them at a sharp angle. It's a characteristic trait of this kind of display.
Pics from various angles or it didn't happen. ;-)
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Yeah, I was exaggerating, but compared to how bad it was with the other one its crazy. Very less noticeable than my first one
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Hallo friends, i read lot of about problem with this kind of display( pentile matrix)
I have vertical and horizontal banding too. But this one is something what is bothering me much more.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/imgp5137v.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/imgp5134.jpg/
Delarock said:
Hallo friends, i read lot of about problem with this kind of display( pentile matrix)
I have vertical and horizontal banding too. But this one is something what is bothering me much more.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/imgp5137v.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/imgp5134.jpg/
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That's nothing to do with the Pentile Matrix! Definitely a defective screen, return it to the store and ask for a warranty replacement. The 'banding' is more to do with the AMOLED screen technology rather than the Pentile, as it was present on my SGS2, but is generally only visible under certain conditions (background colour/brightness).
Regards.
Is it visible on colors other than grey?
Sure, on blue background too,sometimes on white.(poarws photo with blue background) It depends on brightness.
More visible at white background with high brightnes.
More visible at blue and grey background with lower brightnes.
It does have to do with the Amoled technology, but I doubt it's a defective display. You can try to exchange it to see if it really is defective or not.
I have some vertical and horizontal banding only with lowest brightness at the white background.
With maximum brightness no lines or whatever
AMOLED has a few imperfections here and there, so it's not surprising. But if it's bothering you too much exchange it for another one, it could have less prevalent issues.
Just performed a test using screen test app my screen looks great.
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How high is brightness with test screen
Mine is fine too but 60 percent and more.But this one issue bother me pernament ( no matter if 30 or 70 percent brightnes)
Tuesday iam going for a new piece, hope that will not be affected worse than mine
Try viewing those shades of grey on your phones, it's usually the most problematic color. Use a low brightness setting (around 25%) at a dim environment.
This exists on all OLED screens. Its the exact same on my Nexus S. It has nothing to do with pentile matrix, but OLED.
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Yes i had nexus one galaxy s galaxy s II so i can compare,nothing like that before that.
50-60 percent of brightnes
I have the Galaxy Note and it has the same panel as the Galaxy Nexus albeit at 1280x800 instead of the Nexus's 1280x720. (Super AMOLED HD with Pentile sub-pixel arrangement)
My screen is great. The whites are brighter than they were on the Nexus. The Nexus displayed whites with a yellowish tint especially on low brightness. Plus I can't seen any banding on the screen and I have tested it on White, Red, Blue, Green and Grey backgrounds.
Im getting a new Galaxy Nexus in a couple of days. Since this unit is from a later batch I hope that there is no banding on the screen too.
Funny, I have a similar issue to Delarock's on my Galaxy S2, manufacturing date is 19th of October. I'm still thinking whether to replace it or not since since it's only visible on dark'ish grey, I couldn't replicate it on lighter greys, white, or any other color at various brightness settings.
Delarock said:
Yes i had nexus one galaxy s galaxy s II so i can compare,nothing like that before that.
50-60 percent of brightnes
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the same on lowest brightness...
so I always set up my phone to the hightest brightness
Hard for me to get a good photo but you can see the same problem on my NEXUS S screen. Its just a characteristic of OLED displays in general.
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Really similar to the screen on my new Galaxy Nexus. I didnt notice the diagonal right away but that is certainly more significant. My screen a rosy hue in the bottom half and especially the lower left.
I'd love to see a similar picture of someone who says that their screen doesn't have it.
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So are some of these screens defective? Or is it really just the nature of the beast?
How does one tell what manufacturing date their device was made to? Would I be able to go to a store and exchange for a datecode that shows no banding issues?
I am having the same issue ... another thing I notice is weird issues with the camera while in a dark room. If I have my camera on in a low light room, I get this weird "dancing" of black blotches in the really dark areas of that room.
I like all solid black wall paper, I find the fastest easiest way to get it is to turn off the camera flash, put my finger over the lense and take a pic. Worked for every other phone I have but the GNex. I get a weird blotchy image ... now I am on GNex#3 (other 2 I returned for different issues) and I have noticed this camera thing on #1 and now #3. With the first one I assumed this was normal ... but after going from the second one to the third I see a HUGE difference in screens. With phone #2 I was able to do the phone/black wallpaper with no weird distortion. Now the really strange thing is that that same pic taken with the second phone (that displyed pure black on that device) shows up blotchy on device 3.
Hope this makes sense to someone lol cuz reading it back I sound crazy.
I just hope the folks at the Verizon store don't give me a hard time trying to get another one!