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Hi all,
Eversince i bought my BA, i did not need to use Wlan on it (over a year now !!) but i am getting a bit frustrated in the last couple of days as i am unable to use it.
here is the situation - when i come to a place where i know there is a wifi signal (at my friends house) i tap the little icon on the bottom right side of the desktop screen and i get the "Wireless LAN manager" , i check the "Wireless LAN ON" checkbox and then tap "ok" . then the screen changes back to the desktop screen and i can see the little antenna in searching mode (accumulating dots beside it), then i get a popped up baloon asking if i wish to connect to "internet" or "work", i check the internet circle and tap ok (or connect - i dont remmember as i have no wifi signal at the moment), but than nothing happens - the little icon of the antenna is still searching and if i tap it i get the same "Wireless LAN manager" with no signal strength or any thing...if i try the internet explorer, it tries to connect via the GPRS connection...
PLEASE....HELP ANYONE....
It's only a notion but I'd check your friend's WiFi AP. I set one up recently in our place. The device used is a Wireless G Broadband Router and Access Point (AP) which also has a net port (4 physical connections).
I couldn't get a murmur out of it on the simplest device... ancient Jornada 720 Win 2000 with Aironet 340 card (they are matched) although it was evident that all parts were working and the setup programs recognised each other as being there. Tried our Acer n30 next on a Safecom card. Same result. Head scratching.
Eventually a light bulb went on.
Tried a hard reset on the AP/Router. It re-set from one channel (11) to another (6). Everything suddenly started talking.
Next problem... and this is where it gets close to yours... how to stop everyone getting on and in.
The AP Router is full of encryption options from WEP up. Your gadget has to match the requirement from the AP/Router... that might mean a keyword used as a base for encryption or steadily more complex requirements... depends on what your friend's AP Router is set to.
My solution had to be simpler. I could not be bothered to prat about sticking code words all over the place every time I wanted to add a device... and getting encryptions to agree is sometimes not as easy as they'd have you believe.
Answer: Every net device, including the Xiis we now use, has a device specific MAC number.
The AP Router has a table you can enter MAC numbers you want to permit access to... so you needn't fool around with all the clever stuff.
Our AP Router now has our MAC numbers in the table and permits access to them only.
The XDA iis reveals it's MAC number when you tell it to look for a connection.
We now have a WiFi AP serving an ancient egyptian Jornada 720, an Acer N30, an XDAiis, an ordinary PC (using one of the old PCMICIA Aironet Cards which configure on anything with windoze and are dirt cheap on eBay as they're only 802.11b) , and a Sony Vaio Laptop (also using an Aironet), all into a single broadband account.
So check with your chum and see what his settings on his WiFi are. Maybe try a hard re-set on it too if poking about in the admin program doesn't help.
QF
Yol said:
Hi all,
Eversince i bought my BA, i did not need to use Wlan on it (over a year now !!) but i am getting a bit frustrated in the last couple of days as i am unable to use it.
here is the situation - when i come to a place where i know there is a wifi signal (at my friends house) i tap the little icon on the bottom right side of the desktop screen and i get the "Wireless LAN manager" , i check the "Wireless LAN ON" checkbox and then tap "ok" . then the screen changes back to the desktop screen and i can see the little antenna in searching mode (accumulating dots beside it), then i get a popped up baloon asking if i wish to connect to "internet" or "work", i check the internet circle and tap ok (or connect - i dont remmember as i have no wifi signal at the moment), but than nothing happens - the little icon of the antenna is still searching and if i tap it i get the same "Wireless LAN manager" with no signal strength or any thing...if i try the internet explorer, it tries to connect via the GPRS connection...
PLEASE....HELP ANYONE....
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quinbus_flestrin said:
Next problem... and this is where it gets close to yours... how to stop everyone getting on and in.
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Answer: Every net device, including the Xiis we now use, has a device specific MAC number.
The AP Router has a table you can enter MAC numbers you want to permit access to... so you needn't fool around with all the clever stuff.
Our AP Router now has our MAC numbers in the table and permits access to them only.
The XDA iis reveals it's MAC number when you tell it to look for a connection.
We now have a WiFi AP serving an ancient egyptian Jornada 720, an Acer N30, an XDAiis, an ordinary PC (using one of the old PCMICIA Aironet Cards which configure on anything with windoze and are dirt cheap on eBay as they're only 802.11b) , and a Sony Vaio Laptop (also using an Aironet), all into a single broadband account.
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QF,
Are you aware that it's a fairly simple task for someone to spoof a MAC?
And in that you haven't implemented any kind of encryption that means you're broadcasting everything in the clear ... which means that anyone who wishes to access your network needs only wait until they pick up one of your valid MAC's and they're in.
Blocking MAC's is useful ... but enabling WEP (even though we all know it's not going to stop a determined attempt at penetration) will do more to keep out a casual 'visitor'. If your clients can handle WPA-PSK (which may not be the case) given a sufficiently long and random passphrase the only attack is bruteforce which can take years.
Implementing decent security just isn't that hard ... there are plenty of howto's on the net that will walk someone through everything from getting WEP going right through to setting up a VPN.
Yol,
Your friend may have set up some kind of encryption on his Access Point ... if he's connecting to it with a client then he should know what he's using.
If he's NOT connecting to it then check the manual and have a look at the settings on the Access Point. Almost all Access Points will let you connect to them using a web browser.
So if (as an example) your friends AP is at 192.168.1.254 you just plug that into your web browser on a computer that is on the network (in other words, NOT from your BA).
You'll then need to navigate your way to the settings for Wireless security (I can't help you with that ... it's different for pretty much every brand of AP) and see what's set up.
Once you know what the required settings ARE for his AP you need to configure your phone to match. Not having a BA I can't really help with that either ... but I'm sure someone else here can.
I just knew there'd be a more complicated way ;-))...
Seriously Mr Doormat... Thanks for the heads up though.
This guy was just hanging here without a response this morning when I found this XDA board.
I tested our net pretty hard but I was unable to get in without a valid MAC and could find no way of revealing one... not to say there isn't one... I just couldn't find it... which apparently doesn't mean a lot.
What would they gain by getting in though?
Interent Access... sure, but not access to our systems as there is no network in that sense surely? So we could lose bandwidth?
We have the AP/Router open for web access only AFAIK.
The only physical connection is the one you mention... to the computer via the Ethernet card, which accesses the Admin Menu.
I'm unable to get any access around logged in machines myself and I'm on the admin machine.
I dloaded WiFi for Dummies but, as usual, I haven't got past the boring bit in the front where they describe what you are dealing with rather than what you can do to/with it.
I tried bringing in WEP on the AP and setting the old Jornada to WEP too. Firstly it slowed everything to a crawl... and a Jornada is not quick at this anyway as you can imagine... and then the on-board Jornada driver decided to "dis-associate" itself... which is of course Jornada for "adios amigos"... and stopped working altogether.
I picked up a Safecom 802.11g PCMCIA card to try in the laptop, but it really hated that and refused to see it in the end. But it really loves the old Aironets.
Both Vaio and PC are on a nice Windoze XP SP2, from our friends at Appznet. The Jornada is Win 2000, and the two Pocket PCs are 2003.
I looked for a walk thru for bringing this AP on stream. Even the suppliers were baffled... until we did the hard re-set and the channel changed. I don't know what else changed.
As for bringing security on stream... well I tried sorting out the lowest common denominator... the oldest handhelds... they balked at it and I reverted to the last good setting... an old tradition.
It seems to be a question of finding the level for whatever you have.
I can allegedly bring 802.11g on with this PCMCIA card and the AP, but if I do the XDA can only do 802.11b can't it? As can the Safecom for the Acer.
I am so pleased to have found a forum for the XDA, but you'll understand I hope that I'm a bit bemused to find the first topic I get into is WiFi. I thought that had been sorted... I should have known better. )
Any information you feel relevant to this would be much appreciated. Jornada forums are all but dead now. The Acer N30 is having an unusual revival for no reason I can think of. And the AP Router is from a pleasant bunch of folks, but they eveidently know about as much as I do.
QF
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quinbus_flestrin said:
Next problem... and this is where it gets close to yours... how to stop everyone getting on and in.
[snip]
Answer: Every net device, including the Xiis we now use, has a device specific MAC number.
The AP Router has a table you can enter MAC numbers you want to permit access to... so you needn't fool around with all the clever stuff.
Our AP Router now has our MAC numbers in the table and permits access to them only.
The XDA iis reveals it's MAC number when you tell it to look for a connection.
We now have a WiFi AP serving an ancient egyptian Jornada 720, an Acer N30, an XDAiis, an ordinary PC (using one of the old PCMICIA Aironet Cards which configure on anything with windoze and are dirt cheap on eBay as they're only 802.11b) , and a Sony Vaio Laptop (also using an Aironet), all into a single broadband account.
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QF,
Are you aware that it's a fairly simple task for someone to spoof a MAC?
And in that you haven't implemented any kind of encryption that means you're broadcasting everything in the clear ... which means that anyone who wishes to access your network needs only wait until they pick up one of your valid MAC's and they're in.
Blocking MAC's is useful ... but enabling WEP (even though we all know it's not going to stop a determined attempt at penetration) will do more to keep out a casual 'visitor'. If your clients can handle WPA-PSK (which may not be the case) given a sufficiently long and random passphrase the only attack is bruteforce which can take years.
Implementing decent security just isn't that hard ... there are plenty of howto's on the net that will walk someone through everything from getting WEP going right through to setting up a VPN.
Yol,
Your friend may have set up some kind of encryption on his Access Point ... if he's connecting to it with a client then he should know what he's using.
If he's NOT connecting to it then check the manual and have a look at the settings on the Access Point. Almost all Access Points will let you connect to them using a web browser.
So if (as an example) your friends AP is at 192.168.1.254 you just plug that into your web browser on a computer that is on the network (in other words, NOT from your BA).
You'll then need to navigate your way to the settings for Wireless security (I can't help you with that ... it's different for pretty much every brand of AP) and see what's set up.
Once you know what the required settings ARE for his AP you need to configure your phone to match. Not having a BA I can't really help with that either ... but I'm sure someone else here can.
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quinbus_flestrin said:
I just knew there'd be a more complicated way ;-))...
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There is always a more complicated way ... that's part of the fun, I think
quinbus_flestrin said:
I tested our net pretty hard but I was unable to get in without a valid MAC and could find no way of revealing one... not to say there isn't one... I just couldn't find it... which apparently doesn't mean a lot.
What would they gain by getting in though?
Interent Access... sure, but not access to our systems as there is no network in that sense surely? So we could lose bandwidth?
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Yes and No.
An unsecured AP provides a simple means for someone to access the Net anonymously. For someone with malicious intent this has great advantages, as you can imagine. And whatever they might do would be traced back to you.
Don't get me wrong ... I'm not suggesting that there is a pack of rabid hackers circling your place using your wifi as an initial entry point to permit them to realise their schemes to bring down the Internet and western civilisation ;-)
But, as I often point out to my clients ... How would you feel if you found out that in the middle of the night someone used your unsecure AP to upload a couple of hundred MB of kiddie porn? And that you then had to prove that it wasn't YOU.
I admit - it's unlikely and a bit graphic ... but it IS a possible senario.
Less dramtically there is the cost. I'm not sure what your deal is with your ISP ... but in Australia a lot of people have quota's - a given data allowance per month, after which they are either charged excess data rates or are shaped to narrowband speeds. I imagine it would suck to experience either because someone has been downloading movies over your wifi.
quinbus_flestrin said:
We have the AP/Router open for web access only AFAIK.
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It is fairly simple to tunnel any kind of connection through port 80 (which is used for http). Goggle for http AND tunnel and count the hits.
quinbus_flestrin said:
I tried bringing in WEP on the AP and setting the old Jornada to WEP too. Firstly it slowed everything to a crawl... and a Jornada is not quick at this anyway as you can imagine... and then the on-board Jornada driver decided to "dis-associate" itself... which is of course Jornada for "adios amigos"... and stopped working altogether.
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There is, of course, an overhead with WEP or any other encryption scheme. I personally haven't ever had a problem, although I know some who have.
Generally they found updating the firmware on the router/AP end, and using the latest drivers for their client got them the best performance. YMMV of course.
quinbus_flestrin said:
I looked for a walk thru for bringing this AP on stream. Even the suppliers were baffled... until we did the hard re-set and the channel changed. I don't know what else changed.
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Quite possibly nothing ... it is not uncommon for people (even people who should know better) to focus on everything but the channel. Everyone does it
quinbus_flestrin said:
As for bringing security on stream... well I tried sorting out the lowest common denominator... the oldest handhelds... they balked at it and I reverted to the last good setting... an old tradition.
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If WEP is your only common denominator and updating firmware and drivers doesn't improve your peformance sufficiently under WEP then there is one security measure that I routinely employ, which rarely seems to be mentioned. TURN THE WIFI OFF WHEN YOU AREN'T USING IT.
Case in point ... my home AP is currently running (I see no point in power cycling it over and over) but the wireless is disabled. It takes 30 seconds to browse to the setting on the menu to enable it. It then takes about 30 seconds before I can associate. Before I go to bed at night I make sure that the wireless on the AP is disabled ... I'm not going to be using it so there's no need for it.
There is a lot of discussion about how easy it is to crack WEP ... and it IS easy. IF you have the hardware and sofware and know what you're doing, etc. I should point out that I do NOT have the setup to crack a WEP key ... but I've studied it sufficiently so that I know it's not really secure. BUT it will keep the majority of those who wish to jump on your bandwidth out. So if you can get it going, do so.
The other aspect is the security of what you are moving across the network. Internet banking, for example, is pretty secure as the data is encrypted anyway. But your usernames and passwords for your email, forum accounts, and anything that you are sending that isn't encrypted by default is being broadcast in clear.
This only becomes a problem IF someone is bothering to gather the packets being broadcast and then extracts the relevant info from all the other noise. Which is probably pretty unlikely. Unless, like a mate of mine, you live in a block of apartments with 3 unsecure wifi AP's in reach. I recently suggested that if he were to sell his flat, he could get more by pointing out that it came with free internet
Now thats what I call some good advice. A lot of the topics in this board are a bit over my head... upgrading or cooking new ROMs for example... but this is good practical advice for relatively simple old boys like me.
Our police are so good at arresting people who are not criminals, and so bad at catching those who are, that it is more than likely that bandwidth stolen to upload stuff like porn would land us in prison. They are pathalogically unable to admit that they themselves lie as much as the criminals do and deliberately cause miscarriages of justice now, so unless you can produce an iron-clad case then you are stuffed. They stopped policing some time ago when they started working for the government.
Eight of them performed a judicial murder in the tube, in full view of everyone, and still they deny that they were responsible for a needless death. That about sums them up now. Overpowered and Overpowering.
Sometimes I'm glad I'm confined to the house and the locale so much.
I will certainly turn off the WiFi when not in use. Thanks a lot for the tip.
<Less dramtically there is the cost. I'm not sure what your deal is with your ISP ... but in Australia a lot of people have quota's - a given data allowance per month, after which they are either charged excess data rates or are shaped to narrowband speeds. I imagine it would suck to experience either because someone has been downloading movies over your wifi.>
Here in the increasingly Orwellian UK we use an outfit called ntl. The deal we have is £25 pm 2Gig Broadband and (as yet) no practical dload limits. Although traffic limits are in the agreements, no one so far has reported a penalty. I stayed on 512k for a while when they brought them in, as the limit on there was far higher. But next door went on the 10Gig and dloaded more in a week than I had in a year (films mostly I think) and suffered no hit from ntl.
<It is fairly simple to tunnel any kind of connection through port 80 (which is used for http). Goggle for http AND tunnel and count the hits.>
This I must look into further. Thanks.
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quinbus_flestrin said:
I tried bringing in WEP on the AP and setting the old Jornada to WEP too. Firstly it slowed everything to a crawl... and a Jornada is not quick at this anyway as you can imagine... and then the on-board Jornada driver decided to "dis-associate" itself... which is of course Jornada for "adios amigos"... and stopped working altogether.
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There is, of course, an overhead with WEP or any other encryption scheme. I personally haven't ever had a problem, although I know some who have. >
I'll try the WEP once more.
<Generally they found updating the firmware on the router/AP end, and using the latest drivers for their client got them the best performance. YMMV of course. >
This AP/Router is UD'd to date AFAIK. Drivers for the old Jornadas are built-in to the ROM... they don't do Firmware... it's hard wired. I'll really have to retire them I suppose. They're prematurely becoming as anachronistic as my old Atari Portolio and DIPs. )
This is the kicker... simple, effective, and easily done by the punter. The mark of the professional at work.
<If WEP is your only common denominator and updating firmware and drivers doesn't improve your peformance sufficiently under WEP then there is one security measure that I routinely employ, which rarely seems to be mentioned. TURN THE WIFI OFF WHEN YOU AREN'T USING IT.>
<Case in point ... >
Funny you should mention flats. There are some next door and some houses on the other side.
Yesterday our XDAiis and PC notified me that a net was operational and the usual "did I want to connect". I didn't then.
However after reading your post I have.
You're right again. I needn't have bothered with all the work I did WiFi-ing, and the £40 for the AP/Router. This lets the XDA and our laptop in the upstairs sitting room on-line anyway.
My initial task was to get off dial-up in the upstairs sitting room and on to our downstairs BB account... saving the cost of the old account and the extra phone line we had put in, then to re-direct that saving to upping the BB speed.
The AP is off at night anyway... my lady won't have electrics on (aside from the phone) at night... and religiously goes round shutting them off b4 we retire.
I'm going to get my nose back into WiFi for Dummies now, and another one I just 'found' called Wireless Network Hacks and Mods. Please let me know if anything else occurs to you.
QF
quinbus_flestrin said:
This AP/Router is UD'd to date AFAIK. Drivers for the old Jornadas are built-in to the ROM... they don't do Firmware... it's hard wired. I'll really have to retire them I suppose. They're prematurely becoming as anachronistic as my old Atari Portolio and DIPs. )
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I love old hardware ... I think it's a shame to waste it and with the passion everyone has for 'latest and greatest' one can pick up 'outdated' stuff really cheap.
Add to that the fact that never I upgrade OS or software unless it very clearly provides something that I really want. So I can totally empathise with your desire to keep the Jornada alive as it were.
I'll send you a PM, as we're really drifting into stuff that has little relevance to these forums.
YOL anyone having WIFI WIRELESS PROBLEM
YOL anyone having WIFI WIRELESS PROBLEM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40712&highlight=wifi+problem
read this thread fully.. should help..
Doormat said:
quinbus_flestrin said:
I tested our net pretty hard but I was unable to get in without a valid MAC and could find no way of revealing one... not to say there isn't one... I just couldn't find it... which apparently doesn't mean a lot.
What would they gain by getting in though?
Interent Access... sure, but not access to our systems as there is no network in that sense surely? So we could lose bandwidth?
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Yes and No.
An unsecured AP provides a simple means for someone to access the Net anonymously. For someone with malicious intent this has great advantages, as you can imagine. And whatever they might do would be traced back to you.
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More importantly, once someone has access to the wireless side of your router (i.e., you don't use encryption or you use WEP/WPA-PSK and they cracked your key/passphrase), it's possible for them to poison the ARP tables and launch a man-in-the-middle (MITM) attack against BOTH your wireless clients AND the wired clients plugged into the router. This sounds hard, but it actually quite simple with a tool like Cain. Once they are set up as a MITM, anything goes, including attacks on your SSH connections and web browser SSL sessions (i.e., https). A successful MITM attack such as this can compromise all of the data in these "secure" connections, including usernames, passwords, PINs, etc.
It is very important to lock down the wireless side of your router, even if you do all of your "sensitive" surfing from the wired side. Also, you should always be careful when accepting certificates for secure sites in your web browser. For more information, I suggest you read this whitepaper: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~aprakash/eecs588/handouts/arppoison.pdf.
Good luck,
Paul
Posted this @ PPC ... wanted to see if someone over here could shed some light on this for me... I have searched and the only things that I come up with are to disable the connection (manually, nodata... etc), and "there has to be something keeping it active"
It seems like many of us are having issues with the data connection not terminating after x amount of seconds. (myself included) What I am seeing with my own phone is that it will connect, download data, then go to idle (yet still active) It never seems to enter the inactive state, which is where the disconnect feature comes into play. I have searched the registry, and the only disconnect references that I can find all point to it being in the inactive state.
Does anybody know where the registry entries would be that directs the data connection to go from active/idle to inactive? I can confirm that my phone is connected by the solid white arrows next to the 3G icon, but when you bring up SPB Wireless, it shows no current activity.
Hopefully this provides enough clarification so that someone with more RegEdit experience can chime in...
Thanks
Do you by any chance have Microsoft Direct Push enabled? That will try to maintain your data connection.
(I've seen active sync go pretty wierd things. Nothing a good "End task" wont fix..)
motoq9h said:
Do you by any chance have Microsoft Direct Push enabled? That will try to maintain your data connection.
(I've seen active sync go pretty wierd things. Nothing a good "End task" wont fix..)
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Well... here's the thing.... I have disabled direct push for the internet... but I am not sure where the Microsoft direct push is. I have noticed on occasion that the direct push will be active (but greyed) momentarily when i close the data connection.... maybe that has something to do with it....
So now where is the direct push disable?
ttlycnfuzd said:
Well... here's the thing.... I have disabled direct push for the internet... but I am not sure where the Microsoft direct push is. I have noticed on occasion that the direct push will be active (but greyed) momentarily when i close the data connection.... maybe that has something to do with it....
So now where is the direct push disable?
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Are you using Activesync? Look under schedules there.. If you say "As items arrive", it will try to maintain the connection.
Nope, direct push will try to use the data connection first - so when u turn off the data connection, it will turn off, but you can turn it back on over wireless.
motoq9h said:
Are you using Activesync? Look under schedules there.. If you say "As items arrive", it will try to maintain the connection.
Nope, direct push will try to use the data connection first - so when u turn off the data connection, it will turn off, but you can turn it back on over wireless.
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No active sync.... iv even deleted poutlook from the startup, as I only have pop/imap accounts set up for manual download....
Like i said tho... i find it odd that it will open the connection, stay active (but idle), and never go into the inactive state....
The behaviour is by design on Windows Mobile. Imagine having to reconnect again and again and again on your PC's broadband connection after a period of inactivity.
You can also disconnect right there and then by pressing the END CALL key for 3 seconds.
What is odd, is when I first got the phone it did not do this behavior... but with that said... and the fact that there is no noticeable change in battery life, I guess it becomes sort of moot....
Despite my efforts, my DVP just won't sync. I can leave it alone for a half-hour, plugged into the wall, not running anything, but it just won't sync unless I plug it in.
I can't figure out why. I have all the exceptions enabled in my firewall, I tried disabling my firewall, and that didn't work. I even reinstalled Zune, and I've restarted my PC more times than I can remember. I don't get an error message, the wireless sync wizard takes about two seconds to run through, and nothing. No explanation, no error messages, nothing.
I'm starting to worry that this phone--a replacement--just doesn't "understand" when it's idle and supposed to sync. Has anyone else faced this problem?
I'm away from my PC right now so I can't tell you for sure, but I think there's a setting inside Zune where you have to tick off Wireless Sync. Have you already done that? (I'm only asking because you said you reinstalled Zune which probably reset your settings).
OGCF said:
I'm away from my PC right now so I can't tell you for sure, but I think there's a setting inside Zune where you have to tick off Wireless Sync. Have you already done that? (I'm only asking because you said you reinstalled Zune which probably reset your settings).
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Aside from "Wireless Sync", which you use to set it up in the first place, I don't see any options in the Zune software that deal with it.
To set up wireless sync
If you don't want to physically connect your phone to your computer every time you need to sync, you can set up your phone to automatically sync with your computer over your home Wi-Fi network.
Connect your phone to your PC using the USB cable that came with your phone.
In the Zune software, click Settings > Phone > Wireless Sync.
Follow the on-screen instructions in the Zune software.
source: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/music/sync-files-with-my-phone.aspx
i think the OGCF is referring to this.
The Gate Keeper said:
To set up wireless sync
If you don't want to physically connect your phone to your computer every time you need to sync, you can set up your phone to automatically sync with your computer over your home Wi-Fi network.
Connect your phone to your PC using the USB cable that came with your phone.
In the Zune software, click Settings > Phone > Wireless Sync.
Follow the on-screen instructions in the Zune software.
source: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/music/sync-files-with-my-phone.aspx
i think the OGCF is referring to this.
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In that case, I've done that a dozen times. No effect though.
It's as though my phone never idles, but I know it does, because the screen shuts off, and nothing is playing in the background.
EDIT: Maybe this is a battery issue--apparently, you need to be at at least half battery strength to initiate syncing (in addition to not touching the phone and running on the adapter). Since I haven't taken my phone out recently, the battery might need to drain, then charge back to half. Or something, I have no idea.
i know these are gonna sound like baby steps but here goes...
after doing that wireless sync setup above, enable wifi and make sure you can connect to the network fine.
connect the phone to power so that wifi stays on, and then close zune on the desktop. leave your phone for a while and see if zune on the desktop starts on it's own within 15 minutes. if it does, that means your computer and phone are communicating with each other fine.
if not, the problem could lie in either the phone, the computer, or the router. i know some routers offer wifi isolation, where devices over wifi don't see other devices. this may or may not be the issue. it could also be firewall related (not just your computer, but router as well).
these are a few things you can investigate which will help elimiate some issues. if you have another router (hopefully a different branded one), i would give that a go as well to see if this would get around the issue.
The Gate Keeper said:
i know these are gonna sound like baby steps but here goes...
after doing that wireless sync setup above, enable wifi and make sure you can connect to the network fine.
connect the phone to power so that wifi stays on, and then close zune on the desktop. leave your phone for a while and see if zune on the desktop starts on it's own within 15 minutes. if it does, that means your computer and phone are communicating with each other fine.
if not, the problem could lie in either the phone, the computer, or the router. i know some routers offer wifi isolation, where devices over wifi don't see other devices. this may or may not be the issue. it could also be firewall related (not just your computer, but router as well).
these are a few things you can investigate which will help elimiate some issues. if you have another router (hopefully a different branded one), i would give that a go as well to see if this would get around the issue.
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I appreciate any advice. I spent the better part of 6 hours today (thankfully, I wasn't doing anything else) trying to get this to work with Zune Tech Support before the guy gave up and told me he'd call again tomorrow.
So, closing the Zune software (not terminating it in the task manager or anything, but closing it) is instrumental to this? That could be it.
I'll try all these steps. I had no trouble getting my first DVP to sync (kind of funny, as I returned it due to crashing). I'll then go about checking the router--except I've searched around, and haven't seen any posts about ports on the router (I have an E1000, pretty typical router) anywhere, just people talking about firewall issues. I doubt it's the PC or the router, in any case, because I was able to do it previously.
EDIT: Well, leaving the Zune client closed did not change anything. I guess I'll try another router next, an old DIR-615. Of all the complaints about WP7 syncing on the internet, practically none of them mention routers, and only a few mention firewalls--and usually not Windows Firewalls. So that's mostly a dead end.
yea it most likely is, but i'd give it a try. wireless sync is awesome and i use it all the time, never connect the cable anymore, so i know how much you want it. if all else fails... try a hard reset on the phone and if that doesn't work either, return the device for another?
i know they are the worst case scenarios, but they are possibly the last two that will fix it.
you said this is a replacement device. Did the previous dvp sync over WIFI?
Sorry, but those devices seem to be really buggy.
Yeah...funny thing, as I mentioned, this phone has been surprisingly crash-free (almost a week, with one crash, and that might have just been me being impatient) compared to the first one I got. It would suck to have to replace it because the wireless sync option basically died (it did seem to be working for a time, now it's completely "given up") and get a crashier replacement (though that's somewhat unlikely).
I'll try a hard reset--no harm--and when that presumably doesn't work, I'll try another router (though that's pretty bad, since my current router was hardly cheap and it was a much needed upgrade from a 4-year-old earlier model). Then go back to pestering the Zune tech people again. And I guess I can get a replacement if neither of those work.
Additionally, I'm almost entirely certain that it doesn't require the Zune software be closed (mostly because I remember wireless syncing happening while the Zune client was still opened). In fact, it might be the other way around.
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you said this is a replacement device. Did the previous dvp sync over WIFI?
Sorry, but those devices seem to be really buggy.
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You don't know the half of it, though this wasn't actually a replacement--I got a full refund on my original one and ordered a replacement so I could start fresh on the refund. And as I mentioned, it did--though it crashed constantly, unlike this one, which doesn't crash at all.
no need to keep zune closed anymore. it was just a test to see if zune triggures or not, but as we can see it doesn't.
Well, I apparently exhausted all the options of the Zune Tech Support team--it took quite a few hours--so the only recourse is to get a replacement.
I just hope I'm not given a refurbished model--I'd rather try my luck with another return then, frankly, since this model was nice and crash-free.
sucks. guessing you also exhausted all the suggestions i gave, so yes, new phone is the best way to go. make sure on zune desktop you "forget" all the past phones before syncing (just to clear out any cobwebs).
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sucks. guessing you also exhausted all the suggestions i gave, so yes, new phone is the best way to go. make sure on zune desktop you "forget" all the past phones before syncing (just to clear out any cobwebs).
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No kidding, definitely scrub it clean and set it to forget. The Dell Tech Rep promised me a new one, so...if I don't get it, I have grounds to complain, heh.
lol definitely. let us know how it goes.
i'm not sure why you would want to replace the phone. is it really a big deal if wireless sync isn't working?
Seems like too much hassle for too little reward, but hey if you want it that badly then go for it.
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i'm not sure why you would want to replace the phone. is it really a big deal if wireless sync isn't working?
Seems like too much hassle for too little reward, but hey if you want it that badly then go for it.
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...yeah, it is. I don't know about you, but I leave my phone charger in the wall near my clock and bed, where I've always kept my phone. My computer is not in the same area, and the cable is quite short.
WP7 all feature the ability that, if left on their chargers, will sync--in effect. The "hassle" is already over--namely, trying to fix the problem. Actually calling in for the replacement took all of 6 minutes, at the most, and I get to keep my phone until a suitable replacement comes.
I'd like it if it wasn't problem, but I'd prefer to have the feature over not having it.
Well, my replacement came in....and it's not syncing either.
Basically, it's the same as before. Wireless Sync simply won't trigger. It doesn't try and fail, it just doesn't sync at all. As though someone's keeping the phone from going idle, or the process never worked in the first place.
On the bright side, there was probably nothing wrong with the second phone I got. On the down side, only the first phone I had--which I returned--every wireless synced properly (and it did it without me even knowing it was an option to begin with).
No idea what's wrong. Calling Zune Support mostly served as a way to suck up all my monthly minutes, so I'm pretty much on my own, I suspect.
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Well, my replacement came in....and it's not syncing either.
Basically, it's the same as before. Wireless Sync simply won't trigger. It doesn't try and fail, it just doesn't sync at all. As though someone's keeping the phone from going idle, or the process never worked in the first place.
On the bright side, there was probably nothing wrong with the second phone I got. On the down side, only the first phone I had--which I returned--every wireless synced properly (and it did it without me even knowing it was an option to begin with).
No idea what's wrong. Calling Zune Support mostly served as a way to suck up all my monthly minutes, so I'm pretty much on my own, I suspect.
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I had the same problem with my HD7, the first month wireless sync worked perfectly. But since January it is not syncing anymore. Setting it on the laptop of my dad wireless sync worked again. So it seems to be something on my own laptop.
It's a mystery.
I'm going to try another new router, and see if that makes a difference at all. If that works, I'll have to sell my E1000 for cheap, unfortunately, but if it actually fixes the problem, I can live with that.
In any case, I need to return one phone to Dell, and as it stands, I think I'd keep my no. 2 if the no. 3 makes no clear change.
So I love the wifi sync with the WP7, but it seems that it is not designed for multiuser environments.
If you have one WP7 device and one PC that is always on, like a home server or media center, only the active user logged on in order for it to sync. If you have multiple users they will not all sync automatically. If you use a generic login without admin rights for a common machine it won't sync at all.
Am I mistaken? Does anyone find this strange? It seems like such an obvious oversight and easy fix.
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Does anyone find this strange? It seems like such an obvious oversight and easy fix.
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I honestly don't find this strange. A phone is a very very personal single-user thing. Why should it synch its stuff with anyone but the logged-on user?
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jpijper said:
I honestly don't find this strange. A phone is a very very personal single-user thing. Why should it synch its stuff with anyone but the logged-on user?
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Because whomever is logged on is irrelevant. What is the point of a background WiFi sync if you have to be using the machine and logged on? You might as well plug in the phone.
If the service is running at all I would think it would sync all users that needed to be synced. The whole platform of Windows is multi-user.
Otherwise if you have five family members with five phones you have to have five machines left on every night to sync.
Ok this is a joke ??? right ??? Five family members with 5 WP7 phones and all want to sync at night???
And why the pc have to be open all night to sync?? ...Its a 5-10 min (top) proccess even with big amounts of data
WiFi sync its another way of sync ..No cables is the meaning of it ...
And yes ..you are mistaken this its not strange.
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Because whomever is logged on is irrelevant. What is the point of a background WiFi sync if you have to be using the machine and logged on? You might as well plug in the phone.
If the service is running at all I would think it would sync all users that needed to be synced. The whole platform of Windows is multi-user.
Otherwise if you have five family members with five phones you have to have five machines left on every night to sync.
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good point
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So I love the wifi sync with the WP7, but it seems that it is not designed for multiuser environments.
If you have one WP7 device and one PC that is always on, like a home server or media center, only the active user logged on in order for it to sync. If you have multiple users they will not all sync automatically. If you use a generic login without admin rights for a common machine it won't sync at all.
Am I mistaken? Does anyone find this strange? It seems like such an obvious oversight and easy fix.
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Have you tried ONLY running Zune on the account you want to sync with and use the "Switch User" function (assuming a moderately newer OS) for other users to user the computer instead of logging out? I havent tried this, just a thought.
No, this is not strange behavior either..... Your just angry because it doesnt work the way YOU want it to work instead of the way it was designed... for the majority.
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Have you tried ONLY running Zune on the account you want to sync with and use the "Switch User" function (assuming a moderately newer OS) for other users to user the computer instead of logging out? I havent tried this, just a thought.
No, this is not strange behavior either..... Your just angry because it doesnt work the way YOU want it to work instead of the way it was designed... for the majority.
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never even thought about the possibility and if somebody had asked me I'd probably say won't work. But, I have fast user switching on here with two users who have WP7 phones and will try this tonight.
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Have you tried ONLY running Zune on the account you want to sync with and use the "Switch User" function (assuming a moderately newer OS) for other users to user the computer instead of logging out? I havent tried this, just a thought.
No, this is not strange behavior either..... Your just angry because it doesnt work the way YOU want it to work instead of the way it was designed... for the majority.
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thats how i have it set up and every morning i check the pc on the normal user account zune is up and says can not connect to windows phone or something along those lines...
it is super annoying i want my phone to sync when im sleeping at night but unfortunatly i can not leave my user account active all night long so basically the feature is useless
When u get home just plug it in for. A few min
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And why not just stay logged in in sleep mode I have nothing to hide from my family
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tried this just now. Once the sync starts I can switch to the other user account and it continues and finishes several albums while I am on the other account.
I was not able to trigger a sync from the other user account yet though. WP7 sync is very fussy though and I may just have to be more patient - or it just doesn't work.
as we know from MS about sync:
Your phone and PC are both connected to your home Wi-Fi network. Note that wireless sync is not supported on workplace Wi-Fi networks.
Your phone battery has at least a medium-level charge ( Battery icon at medium-level) and your phone is connected to an AC power adapter (that is, your phone must be connected to the wall charger and not connected to your computer).
You're not interacting with your phone. For example, you're not touching things on the screen, the backlight is off, and music and videos aren't playing (it's OK if a song or video is paused).
It might take up to 15 minutes for wireless sync to start, and there is no way to manually force it to occur.
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Tried this several more times - no luck. It never starts on the other user account. However, when switching to my account it starts after a while. It continues sync when I switch to the other account in the background.
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It might take up to 15 minutes for wireless sync to start, and there is no way to manually force it to occur.
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That's really sucks :-( BTW, I hope some workaround should exist... What we really need to do is a capture and analyse WiFi traffic between PC and WP7.
[Q] how hide apps in start menu of Windows 10 Mobile "or" add whitelist to Edge?
Hi,
is it possible to "hide" an app from the W10M start menu? And I don't refer to the home screen, I mean the full list of apps.
Or would there be a way to let the browser only work with a whitelist? .. No, Microsoft Family does not work properly on W10M.
Background - feel free to call me soft:
- Bought a Lumia 640 XL for my wife and a 2nd hand Lumia 535 for my daughter (to be her first smartphone, getting 9 end of the month) so that they could "share" the same experience, more or less.
- Played around with the "Microsoft Family" feature, and, to make it short, it doesn't work properly, not nearly close to what was expected or advertised. That might change ... in a few months. Maybe.
At least the URL filtering does not work "at all".
- So, in short, in order not to instantly fall back to pick an Android based device for my daughter (one beloved Razr i still in close range...), I was wondering if it was possible to "hide" one or the other thing from the start menu instead, the Edge browser in particular. Uninstallation I don't expect to be possible, probably being a deeper chunk of the OS, but only touching the start menu I concluded "should" be possible, one way or the other. At least I hope so.
Would I start to deal with the "full file system access" approach or rather try to dive into registry fiddling? Any help or maybe clear hint would be highly appreciated.
By now I did not find anything related to this. Neither here at xda or somewhere else. Probably no one considers doing something like that for his kids on Windows 10 Mobile ...
Who would want to hide a browser on a smartphone, anyway? .. yeah, I can't keep my kids "off" of the bad Internet, but I can at least keep an eye upon as long as possible.
Thanks in advance,
regards,...
bloodot
additional remark:
... after adding "a few" URLs to Microsoft's web interface for blocking URLs (via a web automation tool, yeah, I'm lazy...) it stopped working at 1003 regitered URLs. So, as long as they don't come up with something that works (whitlist... external service for checking URLs... whatever...) any help on this matter would be highly appreciated.
You want to keep her off the "web," correct?
Change your Mobile Data & Wifi DNS to 127.0.01
(You will need interop/FS access: )
Create a hosts file in C://Windows/system32/drivers/etc
Determine what sites you want to *allow* and find their IP. For example, if you want to whitelist Facebook, open cmd.exe from your PC and type:
Code:
ping facebook.com
You'll see:
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C:\WINDOWS\system32>ping facebook.com
Pinging facebook.com [31.13.76.68] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 31.13.76.68: bytes=32 time=75ms TTL=82
Reply from 31.13.76.68: bytes=32 time=76ms TTL=82
Reply from 31.13.76.68: bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=82
Reply from 31.13.76.68: bytes=32 time=74ms TTL=82
Ping statistics for 31.13.76.68:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 74ms, Maximum = 79ms, Average = 76ms
C:\WINDOWS\system32>
So, you'd add:
Code:
31.13.76.68 facebook.com
31.13.76.68 www.facebook.com
to your phone's host file.
If you can create profiles on your router, you can also do the same (DNS to 127.0.01 for her phone's MAC address)
Doing this would make all of the web unresolvable, except facebook.com
To change the Wifi DNS:
Settings -> Network & Wireless -> Wi-fi -> Static IP -> fill your info
*If your router doesn't support static IP, you should check and see if your router supports profiles, and build one to target her phone mac address.* (If you don't target her mac address/other phone identifier and set your router to 127.0.01, all of the devices on your network will encounter blocked access to the web)
For Mobile Data:
I don't see an immediate switch for this (at least with my provider), it's routed through a network port on their servers. Unless something changes in future builds, it's probably best to just turn mobile data off and use the Wifi/hosts to keep control of what sites she can access.
Thank you very much!
Point is, I don't want to keep her off completely, and the major issue would be to keep control once she's "not" inside our home network but on cellular.
So I think I need to start investigating on my own whether I can manipulate the start menu or even the browser itself.
The local DNS lookup, which would only work on WiFi anyhow, would also result in me analyzing all communcation end points for "any" kind of
app I'd like her to use. Doable, but still the mobile part would be open. Beyond that I cannot block here "re-enabling" the cellular data connection,
the system isn't that strict in that matter. Would be nice, though, ...
@home I already use OpenDNS, probably should have mentioned that, so that's more or less under control.
Let's see if some other ideas or approached pop up from xda; I'm actually trying to get in direct contact with one of the Microsoft Family team
as, on a business level, we're currently working closely with some of the Microsoft 10 teams.
If they, if connected that is, tell me that they're aware of the bugs and that they're actually part of a road map, I'd be happy, too.
However, for the time being I expect I have to sort it on my own.
I'll give it a go with interop and see what I can find to deal with.
So, any other ideas?
Regards,..
bloodot
How about interopunlock and use your own hosts file?
How about App corner inside settings?
augustinionut said:
How about interopunlock and use your own hosts file?
How about App corner inside settings?
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... the hostsfile will only work via WiFi, at least that's my current understanding as for cellular one cannot change the DNS settings, meaning, you can't make them point towards 127.0.0.1.
App Corner I already "played" around with - it has some other issues
- it's buggy, sometimes it doesn't even start.
- can be bypassed by just restarting the device
- everything "allowed" is available to public, more or less.
- the App Corner does not allow "games" to be made available ...
... hey, so what about the kids' corner?
- well, that doesn't allow the phone app... but still, that would also be a half-baked approach again.
I hope it were at least three different teams designing those packages, the kids' corner, the app corner and the family safety integration.
As a whole, NONE of them delivers what a parent needs when actually "permanently" giving a Windows based phone to one of his children.
bloodot said:
... the hostsfile will only work via WiFi, at least that's my current understanding as for cellular one cannot change the DNS settings, meaning, you can't make them point towards 127.0.0.1.
App Corner I already "played" around with - it has some other issues
- it's buggy, sometimes it doesn't even start.
- can be bypassed by just restarting the device
- everything "allowed" is available to public, more or less.
- the App Corner does not allow "games" to be made available ...
... hey, so what about the kids' corner?
- well, that doesn't allow the phone app... but still, that would also be a half-baked approach again.
I hope it were at least three different teams designing those packages, the kids' corner, the app corner and the family safety integration.
As a whole, NONE of them delivers what a parent needs when actually "permanently" giving a Windows based phone to one of his children.
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PIN + kids corner. Can't bypass it.
-W_O_L_F- said:
PIN + kids corner. Can't bypass it.
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... it's not my phone she should use. She should be able to use her own phone.
That includes calling her mum or me.
"Phone" is not an allowed app for the kids corner, it ain't listed when setting that up.
And even if it was, it would allow "anyone" who would steal that phone to directly use it's SIM card hazzle free.
And, as a minor annoyance, anything else that would be allowed via that mechanism.
It's just the current truth to deal with, W10M is not child-ready by any means.
If I want more control, I need to switch the phone.
Or start trusting a 9year-ish old girl to deal with the Internet without restrictions.
... so fiddled around with a few things, though interop is active according to the tool itself after sideloading it, wconnect won't work at all (crashes, no proper error given and before that IpOverUsbInstaller won't finish installation), so I can't get that key to get the SSH connection done and therefore I can't get full file access.
I think I'm done with this now. Selling the phone, using the Razr I instead, already have the proper system locking tools in place for that, bye bye Lumia 535. I would have loved to see my child deal with such an "easy" OS interface for getting used to smartphones, but I can't let her have access to the Internet while "not at home" without restrictions. No way.
... went so far and tried miradore to restrict the system via MDM. And guess what ... the f'n browser CANNOT be blocked via MDM. At least miradore has a free trial of 14 days. I was even willing to pay the damn 2$ per month for that service. *sigh* MAYBE it has a URL filter SOMEWHERE ...
... however, at least one can disallow the "usage" of the browser. MAYBE that works. Trying...
Yes. Works. JESUS ... what a mess. Let's see if I can get that done somewhere / somehow via MDM "without" another monthly fee ...
yeah, worked. Pitty though, they want "10$" minimum fee per month.
BUT: ... I stumbled over https://www.manageengine.com/mobile-device-management/
Free for up to 25 devices. Either cloud based (not supporting W10M for now) or Windows based installation (supporting W10M, more up2date...).
And it works. Thank you very much. Case closed.
Though I cannot restrict the URLs ... I can blog the Edge browser. And the Microsoft Store. Happy bunny.