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are all apps movable to sd?

i have apps2sd on a rooted froyo and none of the apps i've download where put on the sd card!
when i went to applications some of the apps had the option to move to sd card which i did all was good. but the majority did not have the option too!
is that right?

i have the samen problem exept my desire is not rooted
all the applications that i have install to my desire,have been installed to phone,and not to sd...the point is that now i have only 30mb available in my phone.is there any way to transfer the installed applications to sd?
i have used both "app 2 sd" and "sd move" but i transfered only 4... applications.
my phone is not rooted..
i would appreciate any help

I would think its up to the app developers to update their apps so that they are saved onto the SD card. Some have updated hence they have the option. I'm on 2.2
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You can change the value of "setInstallLocation" to force most apps to allow move to SD.
Either via ADB via:
Code:
adb remount
adb shell pm setInstallLocation 2
Or if you are rooted, there's an app call ModInstallLocation which can do it whilst the phone is fully booted.
Regards,
Dave

can you be more specific foxmeister?this is for not rooted phone,rihgt?where i must write this code?and how?

kostasmag said:
can you be more specific foxmeister?this is for not rooted phone,rihgt?where i must write this code?and how?
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If you are rooted, you can install an app. If you are not rooted you must use ADB.
See here for further details.
The most difficult part of this is going to be getting ADB up and running. If you run into difficultly, there are plenty of threads which go into this in more detail.
Regards,
Dave

In order to use froyo apps 2 sd the app itself must be programmed to allow it, not all apps at the moment have had a froyo update.
Therefore a lot of apps won't be able to be moved, also any app you use widgets for should not be moved or the widgets will keep disappearing.
All apps can be moved using the origional ext style apps2sd (also now called apps2sd+ or similar), this method just symlinks apps to the ext parition so the phone still thinks they are in /data/app when infact they are not.

Lennyuk said:
In order to use froyo apps 2 sd the app itself must be programmed to allow it, not all apps at the moment have had a froyo update.
Therefore a lot of apps won't be able to be moved, also any app you use widgets for should not be moved or the widgets will keep disappearing.
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Incorrect!
Many apps can be installed to SD card even though they've not been updated for Froyo A2SD, if setInstallLocation is changed. Thus far, I've personally only found one app that can't be moved in this fashion, and that is "Skies of Glory".
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Incorrect!
Many apps can be installed to SD card even though they've not been updated for Froyo A2SD, if setInstallLocation is changed. Thus far, I've personally only found one app that can't be moved in this fashion, and that is "Skies of Glory".
Regards,
Dave
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well not really completely incorrect then if you still found an app that can't be moved

Lennyuk said:
well not really completely incorrect then if you still found an app that can't be moved
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Actually, I suspect that that this particular app may have been specifically updated to disallow it!
From the SDK:
Application developers can express the preferred installation location for their applications by means of a new attribute of <manifest> in the manifest file, android:installLocation. The attribute supports three values: "internalOnly", "preferExternal", and "auto".
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I'd imagine that if an app does have a value for this attribute, and it is set to "internalOnly" it always overrides whatever you may have set for setInstallLocation. For apps, which don't have this attribute at all, it seems to me that it does take the value from setInstallLocation.
Everything else that I've installed happily goes to SD without a specific update to allow Froyo A2SD!
Regards,
Dave

moved of a load of apps using the mod install app on my rooted custom rom
all worked perfect execpt my internal memory space did not seem to gain space?
i must of moved 20megs worth
?

Custom rooted roms with apps2sd+
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[Q] Needed: Idiots guide to updating system apps

In a lot of the custom roms threads I see that people are always asking the cooks to update the system apps as soon as a new one is released.
Rather than us users constantly hassling the cooks to do this, could somebody post an 'idiots' guide how to update the system apps ourselves?
I have seen a few threads about how to remove apps using adb, but none on how to update them.
Any help would be appreciated, not just by the users, but probably by the overworked cooks too
Cheers.
EDIT: by this I mean a way to update the apk in the system folder rather than the date to save space on the phones memory.

One way is to open the market and click on the 'downloads' link at the top and it will give you a list of installed apps and the ones highlighted in red have updates.
Another way is to search the market or a free app called 'aTrackDog' which will check all your apps for updates.

Thanks, but that is not what I meant. I should have made it clearer in my question.
What I want is this: a way to update the applications so that the updated apk goes into the system folder rather than the data folder. That way the update doesn't take up any more of the precious space on my phone.
I'll edit the OP to show this.
But thanks anyway for your help.

Don't you mean the fact that certain apps included in roms cant be updated. Only possible by flashing an updated version of that rom.
Wrong section.

prodygee said:
Don't you mean the fact that certain apps included in roms cant be updated. Only possible by flashing an updated version of that rom.
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No, that's not true. Often when a cook produces their own rom they will release an "Update pack" when a system app has been updated (such as Flash or Maps). For an example, see here under 'updated system apps':
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773997
What I am asking for is if anybody knows how to use adb to update apps on the system partition. When updating from the market a the update takes place on the data folder, not the system one.
Ta.

scutworker said:
No, that's not true. Often when a cook produces their own rom they will release an "Update pack" when a system app has been updated (such as Flash or Maps). For an example, see here under 'updated system apps':
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773997
What I am asking for is if anybody knows how to use adb to update apps on the system partition. When updating from the market a the update takes place on the data folder, not the system one.
Ta.
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do you mean by example
Code:
adb push Vending.apk /system/app
adb reboot

TomLeeDesire said:
do you mean by example
Code:
adb push Vending.apk /system/app
adb reboot
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That is something like it. What I want is a guide to what to do to update these apps when an update is out in the market place. Something like being able to update the app from the market, but then move the new apk to the system folder so to save space on data.

Thing is, if you're using a cooked ROM you're likely to be using A2SD+ which makes the need to not have system updates redundant as you've got your EXT partition. The other way would just be to edit the original ZIP file and reflash the ROM without a wipe

EddyOS said:
Thing is, if you're using a cooked ROM you're likely to be using A2SD+ which makes the need to not have system updates redundant as you've got your EXT partition. The other way would just be to edit the original ZIP file and reflash the ROM without a wipe
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That is not entirely true, even though I sport A2SD+ (and it's 1/3 free) my /data is always begging for room... I'm always at the 15MB-free-limit.

Then you've either got a LOT of apps storing data or something's not right

Small dirty 0.1beta guide
I'll use teppic's update zip as example (hope he doesn't mind), sample of his updateapps.zip can be found in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773997
1. Install the update from Market, then open Appmonster and backup it on SD. After that, uninstall the update, to free up space.
2. Open the update.zip with WinRar (don't unpack it), you'll see 2 folders
META-INF
system
Open the inside of META-INF till you get to update-script and open it for editing, here's the example:
Code:
show_progress 0.1 0
delete SYSTEM:app/YouTube.apk
delete SYSTEM:app/YouTube.odex
delete SYSTEM:app/Facebook.apk
delete SYSTEM:app/Facebook.odex
delete_recursive DATA:data/com.android.vending
copy_dir PACKAGE:system SYSTEM:
set_perm_recursive 0 0 0755 0644 SYSTEM:app
show_progress 0.1 10
Replace/add/remove .apk's (you can add .apk without .odex) in this list, as those commands will delete existing apps from /system/app on phone
The rest of the script will copy the content of the other folder you saw before (system with subfolder app), so you want to add/remove apk's you like to there. Remember to use WinRar's function to add the file to archive, everything done here's is inside of the archive. When you're done, save the update-script, check everything again and close WinRar.
3. Flash the zip ;]

or do it manually:
h_ttp://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/8067-how-to-manually-update-system-apps/

EddyOS said:
Then you've either got a LOT of apps storing data or something's not right
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I do think A LOT fits (about 300 apps installed)...

That's exactly what I wanted.
Thanks for the help, everybody.

Does this work on a Rooted (Unrevoked) phone with HTC's Original Froyo?
- I've been following teppic74's thread for some time now, and for every app that get an updated I get closer to flashing his ROM... but if I can just update my apps I wouldn't have to go through the process of reinstalling everything else after...

gosa said:
Does this work on a Rooted (Unrevoked) phone with HTC's Original Froyo?
- I've been following teppic74's thread for some time now, and for every app that get an updated I get closer to flashing his ROM... but if I can just update my apps I wouldn't have to go through the process of reinstalling everything else after...
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Sure thing.

thed0g said:
Sure thing.
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Nice!
That means my weekend is saved, I 'm gonna give myself some updates!
- Thanks!

One thing...if using the push and pull commands in adb to move the apk files to the system partition, what happens to the .odex files? Do you move them as well?

scutworker said:
One thing...if using the push and pull commands in adb to move the apk files to the system partition, what happens to the .odex files? Do you move them as well?
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.odex files are only on some custom rom's, you probably dont have them.

Hello again...
I kind of never got around to doing this last weekend - both because lack of time but also because the more I read the more worries I have. (Don't know when I lost my "gung ho" attitude, but age seems to turn me into a chicken...)
Anyway - I wanted to ask one important question.
How do I keep an eye on the space I have available for updating my apps? What if the updates are so much larger than the apps I'm replacing, what will happen then?
I read in teppic74's thread that he recommended some adjustments to save space, but how do I know what I have to "play" with? Is there a good app to read available space in "system"?
Thanks in advance,
gosa

Rooted successfully ... but unable to remove original apps

Hi everyone
I know this thread might look like a dublicated thread, but its not
I searched the forum for similar threads but I couldnt find similar, so I posted it.
I've rooted my HTC desire and tried removing the original apps(like stock,footprint,...etc ) but I couldnt.
After rooting I tried the following apps and got those messages :
File Manager : No suffessient permission
Root Explorer : can't be deleted because the file system is read-ony.
Uninstaller for root : Root access is granted,Can't uninstall app, an unknown error occured.
Any Ideas or apps that could help me in getting rid of such apps

You need to be s-off to remove apps from the system partition while booted, you can however remove the apps in recovery with ADB. Also know that you won't gain any extra space in data because that are different partitions.
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TheGhost1233 said:
You need to be s-off to remove apps from the system partition while booted, you can however remove the apps in recovery with ADB. Also know that you won't gain any extra space in data because that are different partitions.
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Thanks alot
To be frank with you, I'm a newbie to android
I'm not that much aware of system commands or programming
so my question is : is it that much complicated using the ADB method or any biggner can do it

Follow this tutorial.

You can also modify the zip before flashing it no ?

Yes, which is also the better way but if you don't want to flash a custom rom that's not a option.
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I have flashed a custom Sense ROM that includes certain original apps, but now if I want to remove them can I just reflash the ROM but just removing the apk files before flashing?
Will I lose any data, settings, etc?
[EDIT: Nvm, found the answer]

TheGhost1233 said:
Follow this tutorial.
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Thanks a lot for the help
I'll give it a try and get back to you for the final result

Same problem here.
Seems like for HTC Desire, you need to have S-OFF and NAND unlocked.
Google it and let me know if you made any progress, I'm trying too.

Hi there. You do not need to be S-Off-ed to remove system apps. You need to have write permissions for the system partition. A lot of apps can do that for you as long as you have superuser installed and you have granted access to the application. Personally when I was removing my sys apps i used Sysapp remover. I have even done it with titanium backup but I am not sure if it had the option to give you write permission for the system partition. Just check a some sysremoving apps and at least a couple will have that option.

COOLBGT said:
Hi there. You do not need to be S-Off-ed to remove system apps. You need to have write permissions for the system partition. A lot of apps can do that for you as long as you have superuser installed and you have granted access to the application. Personally when I was removing my sys apps i used Sysapp remover. I have even done it with titanium backup but I am not sure if it had the option to give you write permission for the system partition. Just check a some sysremoving apps and at least a couple will have that option.
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AFAIK, not for the Desire. I was checking some sys app remover programs - all of them stated you need to be S-OFF if you have a Desire.
But It is true, you can remove apps even if you are S-ON. Using ADB.

davebugyi said:
AFAIK, not for the Desire. I was checking some sys app remover programs - all of them stated you need to be S-OFF if you have a Desire.
But It is true, you can remove apps even if you are S-ON. Using ADB.
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I never S-Offed my Desire and also I do not know how to use ADB but still as I said some apps offer you to gain write permissions on the system partition and they will do the trick. I can guarantee you that because this is how I did it

What program was it?
RootUninstaller
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.danesh.system.app.remover
These did not work, when I was S-ON.

personally i've used 3 methods:
adb: works but is such a faff to type in all the apk names exactly!
delete from .zip: easiest way so they're never flashed in the first place. remember not to unzip the ROM, just delete them directly in winzip or similar program before flashing.
if you're S-OFF: i recently took the plunge, was scared of bricking but turned out to be much easier than i thought. then used root explorer to directly delete fancy widget after flashing Leedroid no-sense patch.

Do the s-off procedure at alpharev.nl - this takes less time than rooting (or it did for me) and then you can just delete the apps using Ti Backup or root explorer.
You might also want to flash one of the custom partition tables at this site to give yourself more room for apps. I have about 250mb free (internal) and nothing on SD - this means apps run faster and is apparently better for the battery!

[Q] install apk to sd-ext

hi guys,
i would just like to ask if it is possible to install apk and will automatically moved to sd-ext and not on data\app?
i'm currently on aurora v4.1. Any ideas? Thanks!

The Rom thread says it you need an ext for a2SD so this should already be happening
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jhannbernas said:
hi guys,
i would just like to ask if it is possible to install apk and will automatically moved to sd-ext and not on data\app?
i'm currently on aurora v4.1. Any ideas? Thanks!
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It is already on your sd-ext. Check sd-ext/app

thanks for your replies...
i think i got a problem here...
i tried to install an apk (download from pc and transfer to phone and then install) but when i visit the /data/app the apk i install was there.. and when i also visit the /sd-ext/app it was also there with the same size on what is in /data/app..
anyone can help me? do i need to flash some add-ons to make it automatically installed on /sd-ext? i just want to install apps which is automatically installed on /sd-ext and not mind the size of my /data.. what i'm i done wrong??
my details:
ROM: Aurora v4.1
16GB microsd card
sd-ext: 1GB ext4
sdcard is the rest
hboot: cm7/r2
partition via gparted
Thanks!

Not sure about that, Maybe an issue or duplication in the scriopt? Would only expect to see it in one or the other. May be best asking this in teh rom thread to be honest.

I think it's more likely that he's missing the symlink. Do an ls -l, to see the symlink

Droidzone said:
I think it's more likely that he's missing the symlink. Do an ls -l, to see the symlink
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thanks sir. sorry but what is symlink? where can i do that?

jhannbernas said:
thanks for your replies...
i think i got a problem here...
i tried to install an apk (download from pc and transfer to phone and then install) but when i visit the /data/app the apk i install was there.. and when i also visit the /sd-ext/app it was also there with the same size on what is in /data/app..
anyone can help me? do i need to flash some add-ons to make it automatically installed on /sd-ext? i just want to install apps which is automatically installed on /sd-ext and not mind the size of my /data.. what i'm i done wrong??
my details:
ROM: Aurora v4.1
16GB microsd card
sd-ext: 1GB ext4
sdcard is the rest
hboot: cm7/r2
partition via gparted
Thanks!
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That just means a2sd is working. The reason you are seeing the app in both data/app and sd-ext/app is because the sd-ext/app folder is symlinked to data/app. In short, what you are seeing in data/app are actually the files in sd-ext/app. Hence, the similar data size of the app.
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itachi1706 said:
That just means a2sd is working. The reason you are seeing the app in both data/app and sd-ext/app is because the sd-ext/app folder is symlinked to data/app. In short, what you are seeing in data/app are actually the files in sd-ext/app. Hence, the similar data size of the app.
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thanks. i got much clearer vision on it.

Ooooh. I thought you said sd-ext/app and sd-ext/data/app.
Silly me
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so this symlink thing will still occupy space on the data? am i right? thanks!

No. Its symlinked to sd-ext so thats where the space is taken up, however if you browse to /data/app, you can still see the file, even though its on /sd-ext/app
Thats what Symlinking is. Symbolic link. As far as android is concerned, the app will only run from /data/app so it must appear to be in /data/app

rootSU said:
No. Its symlinked to sd-ext so thats where the space is taken up, however if you browse to /data/app, you can still see the file, even though its on /sd-ext/app
Thats what Symlinking is. Symbolic link. As far as android is concerned, the app will only run from /data/app so it must appear to be in /data/app
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thanks for the brief explanation but i don't understand why my /data size is decreasing as well when i install my app even the app go directly to /sd-ext/data..

Because some app-data is still stored in internal memory. That's how it is. The only thing to "solve" this is using a data2sd rom, which moves completely everthing from internal /data partition to a sd-ext partition.

MatDrOiD said:
Because some app-data is still stored in internal memory. That's how it is. The only thing to "solve" this is using a data2sd rom, which moves completely everthing from internal /data partition to a sd-ext partition.
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thanks for the advise. i really consider that option.
just to add up, is data2sd different from data2ext?

jhannbernas said:
thanks for the advise. i really consider that option.
just to add up, is data2sd different from data2ext?
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yes its better

ooppss. my bad.. i really forgot the other thread. please disregard.

Don't ask a question two times:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320341

how do I symlink an apk that is already installed in data\app
i don't want to use apps like link2sd

lost internal memory

so my wife's gs3 was stock rooted...made backups of everything including a nandroid. everything was on the internal memory. i've flashed carbon rom and now cannot seem to find anything. internal appears to be what was on her sdcard. yet when i go into settings-storage sdcard is greyed out without an option to mount. connecting to a pc only gives me one option to connect to. i can't even restore the nandroid. it's been a while since i've been off of a nexus personally so i'm hoping this is something easy i've overlooked and any help is appreciated, thank you

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so my wife's gs3 was stock rooted...made backups of everything including a nandroid. everything was on the internal memory. i've flashed carbon rom and now cannot seem to find anything. internal appears to be what was on her sdcard. yet when i go into settings-storage sdcard is greyed out without an option to mount. connecting to a pc only gives me one option to connect to. i can't even restore the nandroid. it's been a while since i've been off of a nexus personally so i'm hoping this is something easy i've overlooked and any help is appreciated, thank you
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All your files are intact, they have just been moved around since you flashed the carbon rom.
If you had any nandroid backups they are intact too.
Read the following article and you will see exactly where they are using a file manager like root explorer.
Here is the link: http://teamuscellular.com/Forum/top...-cm101-is-available-on-rootzwiki-from-noobnl/
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Misterjunky said:
All your files are intact, they have just been moved around since you flashed the carbon rom.
If you had any nandroid backups they are intact too.
Read the following article and you will see exactly where they are using a file manager like root explorer.
Here is the link: http://teamuscellular.com/Forum/top...-cm101-is-available-on-rootzwiki-from-noobnl/
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thanks...i'm aware of the recovery issues going into 4.2....and i've been using a root file manager. yet i'm still unable to find any other storage. i didn't wipe it but this was probably the first time i didn't save everything to the pc before flashing. i have so much crap backed up from her previous phones that i will never need. f+cking murphy's law...and while i could be mistaken, this shouldn't have an effect on the sdcard not being able to mount, no?

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thanks...i'm aware of the recovery issues going into 4.2....and i've been using a root file manager. yet i'm still unable to find any other storage. i didn't wipe it but this was probably the first time i didn't save everything to the pc before flashing. i have so much crap backed up from her previous phones that i will never need. f+cking murphy's law...and while i could be mistaken, this shouldn't have an effect on the sdcard not being able to mount, no?
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Have you found this folder yet? /sdcard/0 using a file manager like root explorer or any other
file manager which can read the root of the sdcard ?

Misterjunky said:
Have you found this folder yet? /sdcard/0 using a file manager like root explorer or any other
file manager which can read the root of the sdcard ?
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This information should be accurate enough for OP to find his files.
The SD cards have a lot of symlinks in Android. The one true path for your internal SD is /data/media. Your files are there.

Misterjunky said:
Have you found this folder yet? /sdcard/0 using a file manager like root explorer or any other
file manager which can read the root of the sdcard ?
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hmm....this always confused me now...i do have the sdcard0 available but not sdcard1 (completely empty)...is 1 the actual sdcard? bottom line, there are other pictures of hers i'm not seeing now and rom toolbox is telling me there is nothing backed up as far as text messages. where ever they're located be it sdcard or internal i just need to find them.

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Aerowinder said:
This information should be accurate enough for OP to find his files.
The SD cards have a lot of symlinks in Android. The one true path for your internal SD is /data/media. Your files are there.
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That's for sure, I don't thing the guy is paying much attention at all to what I am trying to tell him,
judging by his replies he just keeps rambling on about things that don't pertain to anything which
I have suggested to him to try.

Misterjunky said:
That's for sure, I don't thing the guy is paying much attention at all to what I am trying to tell him,
judging by his replies he just keeps rambling on about things that don't pertain to anything which
I have suggested to him to try.
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/sdcard/
/mnt/sdcard
mnt/shell/0/
storage/emuluted/0
storage/sdcard0
data/media/0
all of the above are paths to my internal....none of these are my sdcard
in any case, i believe my card is corrupted. i appreciate the help everyone has tried to give though...thanks to you all

/data/media/ is honestly all you really need to know.. Every single folder/file that exists within your internal storage lie within that directory. Once you find what you're looking for you can take it from there.
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LuigiBull23 said:
/data/media/ is honestly all you really need to know.. Every single folder/file that exists within your internal storage lie within that directory. Once you find what you're looking for you can take it from there.
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i have a almost similar problem. On my pc can see that my internal storage is almost full but when i open it i don't show the files. i can't install apps on my to view the files on my because of the low storage.

JurrienXR said:
i have a almost similar problem. On my pc can see that my internal storage is almost full but when i open it i don't show the files. i can't install apps on my to view the files on my because of the low storage.
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Well go to your phone and try any of the methods mentioned above for locating all your files.
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LuigiBull23 said:
Well go to your phone and try any of the methods mentioned above for locating all your files.
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the thing is i installed a different rom but it doesn't come with a file manager and i can't install one because of the low storage

JurrienXR said:
the thing is i installed a different rom but it doesn't come with a file manager and i can't install one because of the low storage
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Do you have TWRP? You can navigate the same directories using the file manager there or you can simply go into Settings > Storage and look through the categories in which are taking up the most space and remove what you can to then download a root browser and go from there.
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