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[Q] Apps Memory Size Wrong!Help!!

Hi,I just discovered that when I go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and then selecting "All" option,,the inbuilt android/HTC Sense apps tend to display 0.00B as size for each of these apps.For example, "Accounts&sync","Adobe Flash Player","Android Live Wallpapers","Android System","App sharing" and many more like that. Is there something i can do to rectify this so as to display the correct memory size alloocated to these apps?There are no problems with apps downloaded from market or installed manually,sizes are displayed correctly.Though I remember downloading "Dolphin Browser HD" and then moving it to SDCard beacuse the option to do so was given under Applications, though i've uninstalled it.Does this have anything to do with the current issue?I haven't done the adb shell thing that allow apps to be moved to SDCards.
N.B
I've got an unbranded,unrooted device with the official 2.2 OTA update on it.

nasimdejai said:
Hi,I just discovered that when I go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and then selecting "All" option,,the inbuilt android/HTC Sense apps tend to display 0.00B as size for each of these apps.For example, "Accounts&sync","Adobe Flash Player","Android Live Wallpapers","Android System","App sharing" and many more like that. Is there something i can do to rectify this so as to display the correct memory size alloocated to these apps?There are no problems with apps downloaded from market or installed manually,sizes are displayed correctly.Though I remember downloading "Dolphin Browser HD" and then moving it to SDCard beacuse the option to do so was given under Applications, though i've uninstalled it.Does this have anything to do with the current issue?I haven't done the adb shell thing that allow apps to be moved to SDCards.
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I've got an unbranded,unrooted device with the official 2.2 OTA update on it.
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Help anyone?just need an answer so as to know what step to take.Thanks

If this is such a problem that you need to ask then you must have a pretty happy life!
I understand that even though these are apps, they are not using the storage memory, they are built in and part if the Rom memory
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

nasimdejai said:
Hi,I just discovered that when I go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and then selecting "All" option,,the inbuilt android/HTC Sense apps tend to display 0.00B as size for each of these apps.For example, "Accounts&sync","Adobe Flash Player","Android Live Wallpapers","Android System","App sharing" and many more like that. Is there something i can do to rectify this so as to display the correct memory size alloocated to these apps?There are no problems with apps downloaded from market or installed manually,sizes are displayed correctly.Though I remember downloading "Dolphin Browser HD" and then moving it to SDCard beacuse the option to do so was given under Applications, though i've uninstalled it.Does this have anything to do with the current issue?I haven't done the adb shell thing that allow apps to be moved to SDCards.
N.B
I've got an unbranded,unrooted device with the official 2.2 OTA update on it.
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theres nothng wrong with them?? there reporting how much space they are taking up on your data partiton, witch is 0.00B lol geeez, these apps are stored on your system partition so take up no space on your data partition, use your head man

AndroHero said:
theres nothng wrong with them?? there reporting how much space they are taking up on your data partiton, witch is 0.00B lol geeez, these apps are stored on your system partition so take up no space on your data partition, use your head man
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Whilst I agree that it doesn't matter, I *do* get the app sizes for all my apps, regardless of which partition they are installed on.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Whilst I agree that it doesn't matter, I *do* get the app sizes for all my apps, regardless of which partition they are installed on.
Regards,
Dave
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yeah but a stock desire dosent have read access to system so does the android applications list even have the permissions to scan /system/ and read the app sizes

AndroHero said:
yeah but a stock desire dosent have read access to system so does the android applications list even have the permissions to scan /system/ and read the app sizes
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Of course a stock Desire has read access to /system!!!!
If it didn't, it simply wouldn't work!
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Of course a stock Desire has read access to /system!!!!
If it didn't, it simply wouldn't work!
Regards,
Dave
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lol i just realised how stupid my last post was ignore me i havent had enough coffee yet to get my head in gear

[Q] Any uses for /system folder? (Rooted Phone)

I've a strange question that might or might belong in the development thread, but figured since it's a question, I'll try here first.
I'm using a Stock DeOxed Rooted Rom on my EVO.
I recently installed a few more apps and saw this pesky little warning about low on space.
When I went into my "SystemPanel" app to see how much space was left exactly and noticed that my /data folder only had around 30megs out of it's 428M available.
Ok.. time to delete some apps I thought, but then I noticed that my /system folder (Where I presume pre-installed apps live) had almost 1/3 of it's space still available (115 out of 350megs available).
So I'm wondering.....
Is there some method that I can use to install Apps directly to this folder instead of the standard /data that apps appear to go to when installed?
Is it as simple as moving the APK file with Root Explorer, or are there some under the hood items in apps that prevent this sort of thing?
I've a few rather large apps that I cannot move to the SD card due to widget problems and the like but would be perfect for the system folder if I can find a way to move them there easily.
Thoughts?

DroidGnome said:
I've a strange question that might or might belong in the development thread, but figured since it's a question, I'll try here first.
I'm using a Stock DeOxed Rooted Rom on my EVO.
I recently installed a few more apps and saw this pesky little warning about low on space.
When I went into my "SystemPanel" app to see how much space was left exactly and noticed that my /data folder only had around 30megs out of it's 428M available.
Ok.. time to delete some apps I thought, but then I noticed that my /system folder (Where I presume pre-installed apps live) had almost 1/3 of it's space still available (115 out of 350megs available).
So I'm wondering.....
Is there some method that I can use to install Apps directly to this folder instead of the standard /data that apps appear to go to when installed?
Is it as simple as moving the APK file with Root Explorer, or are there some under the hood items in apps that prevent this sort of thing?
I've a few rather large apps that I cannot move to the SD card due to widget problems and the like but would be perfect for the system folder if I can find a way to move them there easily.
Thoughts?
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/system/app is where system apps are kept. If I remember correctly, any app can be installed into there, but you have to do through flashing an update.zip if I'm remembering properly. You may be able to take the apk that's in /data/app for the app you want to move and move it to /system/app, but I'm not sure if that will work properly or not. Someone who cooks ROMs might know more.
Also, you can partition your sd card and use true apps2sd with most ROMs. Its a little bit of work and will shorten the life of your card, but that gives you a lot more room if you need it.

I don't know that there's a way to move user apps to system. It's very possible there is a way, I've just never seen any posts about it. Apps 2 SD is usually the way to go.
ps. 30 megs?!?! Geez, how many apps do you have?
Sent from my SUPERSONIC

Easy peasy
First, use a true apk backup tool to backup e apk files you want to move. Titanium backup will NOT work because it compresses and distorts, and we need true apk files. I recommend file manager by adao team. Just go to applications, check what you want, and hit backup. Next, get the apk files on your computer by mounting sd and copying files from backups folder. You will lose all app data, but what can you do? Next, adb push the files to system app folder while in recovery mode (just say so if you don't know how to do this and i will tell you) and reboot. Done. Tell me if it works well.
By the way, 30 megs???

Doesn't froyo install to the sdcard if you tell it to?
I thought a2sd was obsolete

You can put apps there after changing the folder's permissions but I wouldn't recommend it. Just not a good idea to put regular apps there.
Just install them to your SD card instead
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go into the android app manager and go through all your programs and click on move to sd card...
they will all still occupy some space on your nand, but not nearly as much.

Thanks for the advice, I thought it might not be as easy as moving them, oh well, just seems a shame for there to be over 100 megs I cannot do anything with.
I already had moved all I could to the SD card prior to posting this, but thanks for that advice as well, I'm sure others forget they can do that with Froyo.
As for the 30 megs I had left.. we'll it's back up to about 70 free which should be plenty for a while. (Remember we only have about 420 to start with).
Some of the big ones which could not be moved to the SD card are:
Swype (Deleted, took over 17megs)
TouchDown (12 megs.. must keep for tasks sync sadly)
Google Maps update (7.6 megs)
Documents to go (8megs)
A few various games that cannot yet be moved to the SD card at around 5megs each..
The rest are just lots of little apps.. I'm sort of an app junkie You should have seen my old Palm Centro... it was amazing!
According to Titanium, I currently have 194 'User apps', though I think a few are simply widgets, icon packs and the like.

finally thinking about rooting.help please

hi everyone
finally thinking about rooting i have a htc desire 2.2 but internal memory is becoming a problem
but i need to know the benefits?
will i able to remove some stock apps?so that internal memory is freeed up?
will apps2d able to move all apps to sd card?
what else will i able to do?
can i install a stock froyo rom without sense for my desire?im sure that would free up some space?

Yes, yes, yes and yes If you want all of the above, you can get it by rooting.
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thanks alot
how much memory free do you have on your desire?
does apps2sd move the entire application to sdcard or just the data?

This should not be in the Development forum, should've gone in Q&A

I have 100 mbs left after installing about 20 apps and a couple of games. Apps2sd will still use a bit of internal memory, but most of it goes to the sd.
EDIT: This is with ~30mb taken up from adobe flash and air on internal.
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Moved to Q&A
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mayurh said:
thanks alot
how much memory free do you have on your desire?
does apps2sd move the entire application to sdcard or just the data?
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i have 65 apps, ranging till 12MB per app, and yet, my internal storage has 133MB free

Just realised I was using Oxygen ROM and my sd ext wasn't mounted :S
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noobandroid said:
i have 65 apps, ranging till 12MB per app, and yet, my internal storage has 133MB free
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wow that sounds good
you using leeroid right?
can i root and keep my stock rom and just uninstall all the apps i dont like? wil that free up more internal memory?
will apps2sd move apps on the stock rom?

mayurh said:
wow that sounds good
you using leeroid right?
can i root and keep my stock rom and just uninstall all the apps i dont like? wil that free up more internal memory?
will apps2sd move apps on the stock rom?
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App2sd does not work on stock roms but it does on most already rooted roms

shockem said:
App2sd does not work on stock roms but it does on most already rooted roms
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so it wont work even if i root my stock rom?i'l have to load a rom?
one thing im wondering
how come you guys are getting 140mb +- free with apps installed?
where did the space come from?

If you root your stock ROM then yes you can then use adb to remove system apps. The issue is they're not part of the internal storage but on a seperate system partition. This means removing them won't add space to downloaded apps
If you want to install hundreds of pointless, needless apps** then you're going to need a custom ROM which uses A2SD+ - LeeDroid is one example but I personally prefer either an MCR ROM from MoDaCo or the Desire HD port (RCMixHD). Both also extremely good ROMs
** This is my personal opinion, I don't use my Desire as a replacement for every other device I own so have no need to use excessive ammounts of apps

EddyOS said:
If you root your stock ROM then yes you can then use adb to remove system apps. The issue is they're not part of the internal storage but on a seperate system partition. This means removing them won't add space to downloaded apps
If you want to install hundreds of pointless, needless apps** then you're going to need a custom ROM which uses A2SD+ - LeeDroid is one example but I personally prefer either an MCR ROM from MoDaCo or the Desire HD port (RCMixHD). Both also extremely
good ROMs
** This is my personal opinion, I don't use my Desire as a replacement for every other device I own so have no need to use excessive ammounts of apps
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Tks
I don't have alot of apps
Maybe 20
Problem is copilot, flash, air, google maps etc
They take up alot of space, I'm not trying all apps

S-OFF then remove using root explorer

I have 69MB free with the following updates/apps installed:
1. Facebook (Update)
2. Twitter
3. Angry Birds (on SD Card)
4. Adobe Flash (Update)
5. Google Maps (Update)
6. Gmail (Update)
7. eBay
8. XDA App
9. Street View (Update)
10. App Manager
11. Dolphin HD Browser (on SD Card)
12. YouTube (Update)
13. EStrongs File Explorer (on SD Card)
So, for me, I don't NEED to root. I still do to try a new ROM if it's something that appeals but I love Sense - stock Android is so fugly

Hi,
If you're using Android (Froyo) you can I believe move, some, of the apps an data to the SD card using your existing ROM.
Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications.
Look at the downloaded apps and highlight one, it may or may not give you the option to move to SD card. The ability to move to SD is dependent on the Application developer in question. Hence, this doesn't work for all applications and data.
There are also some Market Apps that can scan the list for you, I tried "App 2 SD" by Sam Lu which seemed to work for me.
Regards.
Colin

noobandroid said:
S-OFF then remove using root explorer
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wat do i do this for?

I'm guessing for removing system apps...if you don't know what it is then don't even think about it at this stage

EddyOS said:
I have 69MB free with the following updates/apps installed:
1. Facebook (Update)
2. Twitter
3. Angry Birds (on SD Card)
4. Adobe Flash (Update)
5. Google Maps (Update)
6. Gmail (Update)
7. eBay
8. XDA App
9. Street View (Update)
10. App Manager
11. Dolphin HD Browser (on SD Card)
12. YouTube (Update)
13. EStrongs File Explorer (on SD Card)
So, for me, I don't NEED to root. I still do to try a new ROM if it's something that appeals but I love Sense - stock Android is so fugly
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i think the problem is i've tried out many apps and then removed them
so i guess mayb they left some files behind
ive got 20mbs free now
i've got these big apps
adobe flash
copilot(sd)
adobe air(sd)
maps
contacts storage ( 7mb
facebook update
twitter update
skype
asphalt
gmail update
rockplayer
launcher pro
handcent sms
slide it
angry birds
widgetlocker
astro
mxit
opera mini
qaudrant
appbrain
drive safel.y
to do tasklist
pool break pro
live sports 24 f1
3g watchdog
street view update
facebook for htc sense
barcode scanner
adyno
circluar battery indicator
anytime pool
paper toss
app protector
moment diary
sms schedular
astro bluetooth modeule
memory trainer
winamp
system info widget
engaget
google sky map
color note
wifi analyser
easy spirit level
smooth calender
task manager
fpt system manager
tone picker
sd move
home switcher
car mode
thats it
most of them are on the sdcard according to sd move and i've checked
some cannot be moved
i've already done the adb thing to set my default location to sd card
so most new apps go to sd
all apps with widgets are on the internal memory
i cant understand why i have so little memory left?

Because you don't have a lot of space in the first place. If you want more then you have no option other than to go with a custom ROM which uses A2SD+

[Q] How do you permanently disable froyo apps2sd?

I've tried to search all of XDA, but I could find anyone wanting to fully disable froyo's apps2sd.
I prefer to use DT a2sd on my ext3 partition. With using Ti backup and installing from the market, some apps get installed on the SD in the .android.secure folder. Its a pain for me to one-by-one move them off the SD and back onto the phone, so DT a2sd moves them to the ext3.
So, does anyone know how to disable froyo's apps2sd? I'm using a sense ROM if that matters.
Thanks!

Bump. Back to the top.
Anybody? I know there's some smart people in XDA that would know how to do this.

coiledwire said:
Bump. Back to the top.
Anybody? I know there's some smart people in XDA that would know how to do this.
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Looking for an answer to this as well.

There are apps to sd apps that let you move all apps on sd to internal memory, but I've never used one.
I know in cyanogenmod there's an option in settings to choose install location for apps (internal/external/automatic) but I'm not sure about your rom. If you're using stock I know it isn't there but otherwise you could check your settings.
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.

plainjane said:
I know in cyanogenmod there's an option in settings to choose install location for apps (internal/external/automatic) but I'm not sure about your rom. If you're using stock I know it isn't there but otherwise you could check your settings.
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.
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That's the file I'm looking for. I've read in a Droid forum somewhere there's a . sh file that can be edited to have the same effect as cyanogen's option.
I'm on a sense based ROM, and I can't find that file.
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theres a sh file in /system/bin

NewZJ said:
theres a sh file in /system/bin
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I see it. I think someone had discussed a "<some name>.sh" file to edit that sounds like what the cyanogen setting does.
I opened the sh file you pointed to and it just came up with gibberish.

Bumpy.
Come'on, someone had to of done this mod....
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I don't have a direct solution for you, but this app might help ease the pain:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.app2sd&feature=search_result
It's designed to help people go the other way around, but it groups apps into three tabs -- On Phone (movable), on the SD card, and phone only. You could use the "On SD Card" tab to help you find the apps that are on the SD card, and you can click on one to go right to the app page and move it back.
You'll want to turn off "Notifications" under settings, as that feature notifies you when apps can be moved the SD card, which isn't what you're wanting to do.

bkrodgers said:
I don't have a direct solution for you, but this app might help ease the pain:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.app2sd&feature=search_result
It's designed to help people go the other way around, but it groups apps into three tabs -- On Phone (movable), on the SD card, and phone only. You could use the "On SD Card" tab to help you find the apps that are on the SD card, and you can click on one to go right to the app page and move it back.
You'll want to turn off "Notifications" under settings, as that feature notifies you when apps can be moved the SD card, which isn't what you're wanting to do.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep this in my back pocket.
The reason I'm looking for this mod is to avoid having apps default to the SD card when I restore them from Ti backup or purchase them from the market. Some apps (like angry birds for example) will default to SD card when available.
I'm trying to trick the system into thinking the SD is not available for app installs.

http://androinica.com/2010/08/03/how-to-install-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-on-android-2-2-froyo/
You could try this, but backwards. At the very end it tells you how to set it to internal memory. I'm not sure if location 0 is internal or automatic. Since location 2 is external, location 1 might be internal. You could try both. Hope this helps.

plainjane said:
http://androinica.com/2010/08/03/how-to-install-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-on-android-2-2-froyo/
You could try this, but backwards. At the very end it tells you how to set it to internal memory. I'm not sure if location 0 is internal or automatic. Since location 2 is external, location 1 might be internal. You could try both. Hope this helps.
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Awesome! Now that's what I was looking for!
Not sure what "pm" command does, but it took. I set it to zero; now I need to find a way to test it. Just I'll have to disable Dark Tremors a2sd and verify. If someone has tested this, let me know if zero is the right setting to force only internal installation.
Here's the followup question: Where is "setInstallLocation" defined in the system (file)?
That way I can use root explorer to verify the setting and not just push a value with the terminal or adb.
Thanks again!

Most widgets not working in CM7

I use HTC Desire and recently rooted and flashed CM7 on it. But I have found out that most of the widgets available in the market is being read by the phone. Is this because something is wrong with my device?

Check where the widgets are saved. Moving an app to the sdcard breaks the widgets.

They are saved and they are in the application list. But when I try and add them the don't appear on the widget list.

Make sure they are on the internal memory - CM 7.2 tested and working

are you running a script that tells the phone to automatically instal apps to sd card?

xenmonkey said:
are you running a script that tells the phone to automatically instal apps to sd card?
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These kinds of scripts usually called A2SD/DATA2SD/DATA2EXT don't "prevent" one from using widgets, because by using this scripts Android / the installed apps still "think" they are installed in internal memory so one can use widgets without any problem.
I also consider the OP moved some apps to SD card by using the option in application-settings. This option makes it impossible to use widgets, as already mentioned.

The phone was on external storage. Changed that and now everything works fine. Thanks

MatDrOiD said:
These kinds of scripts usually called A2SD/DATA2SD/DATA2EXT don't "prevent" one from using widgets, because by using this scripts Android / the installed apps still "think" they are installed in internal memory so one can use widgets without any problem.
I also consider the OP moved some apps to SD card by using the option in application-settings. This option makes it impossible to use widgets, as already mentioned.
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Yes I realise that. However, I recall using something when I used the stock rom that would automatically move downloaded apps to the sd card and I thought I recalled seeing a similar setting in CM7 that did the same thing.
That is what I thought the OP may have done.