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Importing Phone Contacts to Desire

Hi
Just discovered this excellent forum.
What a difference 4 years makes, have gone from a 2006 Sony Erickson W810 walkman phone to this and its just a little bit different shall we say.
I'm still playing with it. trying to get it set up etc. Have tried to bluetooth across my phone contacts from the Sony (before the number transfer takes place on 6 April) and message comes up saying that the Desire is awaiting 'acceptance of the transfer). Symbols have appeared on the top of the Desire.
Where do i go to accept the contact list transfer?
Any other 'top tips' woulod be greatly appreciated.
Can you also watch 'live' TV i.e. Sky sports through the Sky player.
I read on UK hot deals forum how to speed up the 3G, this seems to be working.
Other probably stupid questions:
On a PC you would set up a firewall, virus protection for the internet etc. Do you not have to do this when accessing the net via a phone? What happens with span, hackers etc if you accidentially access 'dodgy sites' shall we say.
Have to say loading apps looks a little complicated for the novice, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.

I think I can address a couple of issues, just not the BT issue.
Live TV?
Well, I don't think there's an app for live TV (at least here in the UK). However a site which broadcasts live TV (probably requiring Flash) may work. Though Flash is known not to work great yet so don't get your hopes up. Would love to be wrong on this point though. I saw a friend in Sweden watch live TV on his iPhone with a station specific app, over wifi. Was kinda cool!
No idea what you're talking about with speeding up 3G. Maybe you can share...
Virus/firewall protection?
Ah yes, that old nut. I'm guessing that they break down into 2 groups, one's that scan constantly and one's that scan occasionally. The 1st offers highest protection but requires highest resources and thus few people will use it on mobile devices. The 2nd is more possible and is available.
But then you have the issue of risk. Many argue, in short, there's not enough risk (even though malicious software does exist). There's not enough devices to make it worthwhile (the same arguements of why Macs don't have so many viruses) and even if there are millions of devices running the same software, the proportion of people that have stuff that is worth stealing puts the value even lower.
I'm sure when mobile devices are more integrated, more powerful (though running Google Earth on my desktop a few years back was hard enough, so to see it on my Desire...!) and when they hold/access more valuable data (i.e. more mobile banking and passwords on mobile devices), then the risk will no doubt also increase.

TV Catchup is the place for live tv. like its been said not sure of with the flash as my desire is on charge and i havent tried it yet.
if your old phone can sync contacts to outlook then do that and save the contacts as a csv file.
then go to google mail and import the .csv file
Thats the theory that worked for me. Your best bet is to google search the rest

Is anyone juggling both Android and WP7?

I'm asking since I'm gonna be picking up a Dell Venue Pro (again) I been using Android for a while and I enjoy it. The thing I love the most is the integration with gmail and calendars. Being able to open my calendar on my Macbook and for it to automatically update my calendar on my Droid Pro is convenient. From what I remember, WP7 should sync up the calendar with your gmail account but I'm wondering if theres anyone out there that is able to balance using both phones? For example, I want to be able to write down notes on one phone and for somehow that carry over to my Dell Venue Pro. There was a program called AK Notepad for Android and whatever notes I'd write down on my Droid Pro, I'd be able to access on my Nexus One.

I still carry around my Nexus One without SIM...just because Android allows me to do many things I still cannot with my Optimus 7... so for now, at least until Mango update, I will be carrying two phones.

I have several android devices to play with but still carry my surround as my every day phone. I like both. As to having full cloud based sharing on multiple platforms? I don't think they play that nice quite yet

MO3iusONE said:
For example, I want to be able to write down notes on one phone and for somehow that carry over to my Dell Venue Pro. There was a program called AK Notepad for Android and whatever notes I'd write down on my Droid Pro, I'd be able to access on my Nexus One.
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Apparently Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/) is almost ready for Windows Phone 7, which should allow you to create/access notes on pretty much every platform out there.

Try using cloud based apps. It's pretty easy between iPhone and Android, or Android and Android.
It's not that easy with WP7 because we don't have too many apps right now. Looking forward to it!

Juggling between a samsung focus and hopefully in a few hours a galaxy s2. Until mango, the galaxy s2 will be my main phone tho

I have both.
Actually the fact that many users use both speaks for itself....
Anyway I have both of them and ditched WP7 because carrying two devices to do the same thing is kinda nonsense.
There's nothing WP7 does Android can't do
However there are tons of things Android does while WP7 just can't.
WP7 may be very appealing in some scenarios.

Just write your notes in the gmail calendar and sync it on both devices, that's what I do, works like a charm.
/J

jontatas said:
Just write your notes in the gmail calendar and sync it on both devices, that's what I do, works like a charm.
/J
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That's actually so simple.
Plus on Android you can send to calendar notes from Note Everything

I also have my wildfire without sim and my htc trophy. I don't now if i will keep the trophy. I am giving it some time to convince me. I am carrying 2 phones for now. One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.

aposva said:
One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.
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I'm not a big wifi user but the same thing happens with bluetooth and it's so disgustingly annoying!! I will be streaming music to my car radio using bluetooth and when a song ends while the screen is off, the phone will automatically disconnect the bluetooth connection and I have to go back to settings and reconnect it and why is bluetooth always searching and discoverable??? What, they couldn't add another slider to switch discovery mode on and off so I don't have to see 50 headsets on my list??
I'm not a power user so i don't need all the fancy stuff Android can do. WP7 is great for me as I mainly use exchange and office, but it's the stupid little details that get you frustrated!

PG2G said:
Apparently Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/) is almost ready for Windows Phone 7, which should allow you to create/access notes on pretty much every platform out there.
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OneNote Exists for WP7 and you can view it in a browser. EverNote has too many restrictions for how much data you can transfer, and it requires yet another account creation (ugh!).
Android phones usually come with a memo app (my Vibrant has it), and they typically allow you to send notes via SMS/MMS, Email, etc.

I carry both an HD7 and a Vibrant with Active SIMs in them everywhere. I put my Unlimited Data SIM in my HD7 when I got it because of Zune Pass, but I'm about to switch it back to my Vibrant.
Audio Quality on the Vibrant is 200% better than on the HD7. You basically need headsets with the HD7. The Vibrant's sound can fill a decent sized room. Call and Speaker Phone quality ... the comparison is the same. Vibrant is wildly superior. It's like comparing a surround sound system to a pocket radio...
The HD7 is useless as a phone comapred to the Vibrant. The signal is consistently 2 bars lower and call quality is more volatile. I feel like I'm in the middle of New York on an AT&T iPhone 4 when I'm on the HD7. The Vibrant performs flawlessly.
The HD7 is only useful as a PMP IF you have a decent pair of headsets or a BT Jabra device with FM transmitter in your car (like I do).
The terrible speaker and cell radio in this thing is already enough to relegate it to backup status, but there is the issue of Apps and Services integration.
Android has better apps. After heavy use of both phones. The Android versions perform better and are more stable as well. Twitter for WP7 (even Birdsong) and Twitter for Android... the Android version runs circles around it. Same for Facebook. LinkedIn doesn't exist for WP7.
No decent IM Applications. Half-baked MMS. Can't send Videos off the device via MMS or Email.
A phone can be made better (maybe the DVP has better speakers than the HD7, and a better radio with better data speeds and call quality), but the OS is half-baked and puts way too many limitations on what you, or any app can do. This means there is a definite roadblock IRT functionality that anyone can hit on WP7 that isn't possible on some other platforms.
In addition to that, there are a ton of applications that are missing from the market, and those that are coming (that matter) won't be here for another 6 months or so.
If I was "upgrading" from a dumb/feature phone it probably wouldn't be an issue. But coming from WM/Android/WebOS and having used iPhones more than enough... It's unacceptable as a daily driver.
It has all the detriments of an AT&T iPhone in New York (poor reception/call quality/wildly flunctuating signal strength that never goes above 3 bars even standing under a 3G tower) with none of the benefits (High Quality Apps, Services Integration, Top Apps). In addition to that, the Audio Quality makes it hit and miss even as a ZuneHD replacement, and the Codec Support is just not cute compared to something like a Galaxy S device. There is no DLNA capability, either. Battery Life is not better than an iOS/Android device, so that's not an advantage.
Disclaimer: Some of these issues (in particular the reception/call quality problems) may be an issue with the phone and not the OS itself - but T-Mobile only sells one WP7 device in carrier stores so take that for what it's worth. One other person I know has an HD7 and when I asked him how he likes it he responded (I'm quoting him word for work...) "The call quality is ****, but it's okay I guess." So I'm pretty sure it's not due to having a lemon device

crav4speed said:
I'm not a big wifi user but the same thing happens with bluetooth and it's so disgustingly annoying!! I will be streaming music to my car radio using bluetooth and when a song ends while the screen is off, the phone will automatically disconnect the bluetooth connection and I have to go back to settings and reconnect it and why is bluetooth always searching and discoverable??? What, they couldn't add another slider to switch discovery mode on and off so I don't have to see 50 headsets on my list??
I'm not a power user so i don't need all the fancy stuff Android can do. WP7 is great for me as I mainly use exchange and office, but it's the stupid little details that get you frustrated!
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I don't use BT much but I understand the frustration, however the entire platform has been launched under the premise that it's not static or even completed as far as I understand. And given the track record of how MS usually deliver products (a main product and then many "hotfixes" and service packs) I expect most of these small things will be fixed in time.
Still annoying that they manage to miss such apparent things.
/J

aposva said:
I also have my wildfire without sim and my htc trophy. I don't now if i will keep the trophy. I am giving it some time to convince me. I am carrying 2 phones for now. One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.
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Android does this as well, that's why some applications (like Trillian for Andorid) have a setting to keep WiFi on when the phone sleeps.
I actually prefer it that way. If the phone is charging the WiFi stays on, however. They do it to conserve battery life, and that was a good decision...

N8ter said:
Android does this as well, that's why some applications (like Trillian for Andorid) have a setting to keep WiFi on when the phone sleeps.
I actually prefer it that way. If the phone is charging the WiFi stays on, however. They do it to conserve battery life, and that was a good decision...
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Click Wi-Fi Settings, Menu button and go to advanced, change your policy to never sleep, hit menu again and save.

I know that. I was pointing out the default behavior, though

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I know that. I was pointing out the default behavior, though
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Well atleast the option is there unlike in Microfot's product.
BTW, in the areas where you might have a weak cellular data signal havung your phone connected to a Wi-Fi access point is morr power efficient netting better battery life.

Kind of surprised at the number of people with dual phones. I have a Surround and an Inspire 4G. Before I upgraded to Gingerbread, the Inspire 4G was just so damned choppy, I couldn't really use it for long before I was ready to throw it. Now, it is my primary phone. My Surround has so-so build quality and much more limited functionality. I certainly wish for turn-by-turn directions via Bing maps. NoDo has made it much more fun to use as a communication tool with C&P, and it's smooth as can be. If my work would get the Exchange server up and running instead of using a third party host, I could see it being my primary phone. Until then, its all Android.

lqaddict said:
Well atleast the option is there unlike in Microfot's product.
BTW, in the areas where you might have a weak cellular data signal havung your phone connected to a Wi-Fi access point is morr power efficient netting better battery life.
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with an HD7 that would be everywhere, becuase the radio is so terrible it can never go above 3 bars even if I'm standing under an HSPA+ radio. My Vibrant's radio is 100% better.
I cannot use the HD7 as a phone, it's just too terrible. I only use it to play music these days and after I ETF one of these lines in a month or two I'll probably think hard about getting rid of it - probably just enough to cover the ETF fee, of a bit less than that...

[Q] [?] Total noob needs help

Hi,
I am what you might call a total Apple zombie, in fact I never had any other SmartPhone but an iPhone since '07. Due to the huge disappointment with the 4S, I was finally fed up and switched to the Galaxy Nexus. However, while this seems to be a cool developer phone, I have huge issues with using it in a productive environment. But that is probably just due to my own ignorance ...
[Backup&Restore]
Poor me is hit with an update notification like 50 times a day. I suspect that I will lose all data when I hit install so I am quite hesitant here. With my iPhone I did not even had to bother with stuff like that, it synced with iTunes over WIFi whenever I was in one my home networks. The Nexus does not seem to offer such functionality.
What I expect to be backup'ed is all:
of my mail (around 4GByte) that I frequently need to have available offline
my Navigation system and maps (Sygic + Navigon atm)
my music would be nice due to reasons I elaborate on later
SMS, phone records, etc ...
I tried the following means for backups already:
ADB: with command line "adb backup -apk -shared -all -f ./backup_all.ab" --> result was only 700MByte so I won't trust it a bit (my data is around 13GByte)
Titanium Backup: told me all worked fine but my phone has not enough free space for saving the backup to the pseudo-SD, the file is corrupted, and dropbox is rejecting the maps and my email account data (looks like they are bigger than 400MByte or something ...)
Google Sync: is missing all that des not have a google stamp on it
[EDIT] Noting is worse but to switch on Navigation and get the message that the map was not downloaded and to reload 400-800MByte of maps over a roaming 3G connection at the airport or use a super slow paid airport WiFi. Same goes for my e-Mail, I need it searchable and accessible.
What are the pro's suggesting here? I only have around 3GBytes of disk space available on my phone, the cloud services does not like big files, and the ADB backup seems to lack some stuff (though I cannot really tell what it is leaving out).
[Navigation]
I am abroad very often and do not like to pay insane roaming fees for online navigation systems. That is why I acquired two products, Navigon and Sygic since Navigon Europe is crashing right away.
I am used to the iPhone 4, which means: load App, set destination, boom, go ... My Nexus however, needs a warm-up of around 15 minutes and then constantly loses its signal. Furthermore the screen is not always auto-rotating so that I go in the wrong direction from time to time. Am I just too stupid to operate such things?
[Music Sync]
As I said, I am used to iTunes and all is synced automatically. With the nexus I tried Google music but it is not originally available in my country and it cannot find any management software apart from sync. The Music webpage does not let me logon since a couple of weeks now but the Music Manager works on Windows and uploads some of my files. However, how do I add or delete new songs? Am I stuck to add the to iTunes, import them by Music Manager, and wait for an upload?
I also tried Winamp sync but it crashes whenever I want to sync by WiFi and my Mac is not seeing the device sometimes.
[Car Mode]
Both of my cars support the iPhone by cable and BT. I usually use the cable mode because the phone needs to be charged anyway. My cars are playing the music right away and I can use the steering wheel controls to skip tracks, etc. With my Nexus all I see is "cannot play". When I use Aux-In, which sucks btw., I have no knowledge of any way to make the buttons bigger etc. I needs some filigrane fingers to operate that thing when on the go. The Google car App does not want to install itself because it seems to be incompatible with the nexus ...
How can a fit-finger syndrome person like me control their phone in a car?
[Network Access]
Whenever I am in highly shielded environments (that happens often), such as a underground parking garage, a hospital white room (MRT, CT, etc.) or in a research center with much electromagnetic interference, my Nexus is losing its GSM network access and this is okay. However, it does not gets it back when I am out again when I am not switch the phone off and on again! I have already had overflowing mailboxes so often that I have a habit now to restart my phone whenever I am outside again. That is ridiculous! Is that a hardware problem of the phone or do I just have a bad model?
I hope you could enlighten me, as I am totally ignorant concerning Android and their phones. They are indeed a world on their own! Please keep in mind that I am not very knowledgeable so I would appreciate human-understandable information

Included too much information. What update? I'm assuming you're stock and didn't root or do any tweaks?
Just update, all of your settings and such will still be there.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

zephiK said:
Included too much information. What update? I'm assuming you're stock and didn't root or do any tweaks?
Just update, all of your settings and such will still be there.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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OTA 4.0.2, it is rooted for the Titanium Backup, stock ROM and kernel (4.0.1, KK1-Baseband, 3.0.1 Kernel), no other tweaks I am aware of.

An OTA update doesn't erase anything..
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

I'm in a similar kind of position and I think that provided you have standard recovery the update will work fine and you'll lose no settings although I've seen some suggestions you'll lose root by updating. Not sure how it would affect you if you have a non-standard kernel tho...

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OTA 4.0.2, it is rooted for the Titanium Backup, stock ROM and kernel (4.0.1, KK1-Baseband, 3.0.1 Kernel), no other tweaks I am aware of.
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Having root doesn't mean anything. As long as you didn't do any changes to the kernel, or anything outside of /sdcard/ even though you have root. You'll be fine, it won't wipe anything. Just accept the OTA and everything will be okay.
I'd recommend using https://market.android.com/details?...m9yZy5wcm9qZWN0dm9vZG9vLm90YXJvb3RrZWVwZXIiXQ.. as it will keep your root access post-OTA.
@daz.g: Not having the stock kernel provided by Google and accepting the OTA is a huge-nono and will most likely fail. You can keep root with the app I linked above. But using stock ROM + stock kernel + root, your options are rather limited and it's better off going off with Custom ROMs. If people are going to be risky and root, might as well go all the way. Risking and flashing ROMs aren't even that scary

[Q] Bing maps no longer doing map search/navigation?

Hello, does anyone know if Microsoft has turned off support for Bing Maps and Navigation in the Windows Mobile app? I found that starting late last week, Bing can no longer find anything when searching for addresses or businesses in the maps section of the app.
Searching for an address/business in maps returns the error "Sorry, we can't complete your search. Please check your connection and try again."
Searching for an address or business in the navigation section (Endpoint) returns "Sorry, we couldn't find this location."
Trying to navigate to a favorited address returns the error: "We were unable to generate your route. Try again?"
Using an HTC Touch Pro 2, WM 6.5 App, Sprint is the carrier, Bing Mobile version 5.1.2010.6280

I think everyone including MS is trying to bury WM 6... so this does not surprise me.
As far as navigation I would try and find a copy of Garmin XT. The only reason Im still using my Tilt 2 is because of the no data plan required GPS G-XT. Its truly amazing

shawndoc said:
Hello, does anyone know if Microsoft has turned off support for Bing Maps and Navigation in the Windows Mobile app? I found that starting late last week, Bing can no longer find anything when searching for addresses or businesses in the maps section of the app.
Searching for an address/business in maps returns the error "Sorry, we can't complete your search. Please check your connection and try again."
Searching for an address or business in the navigation section (Endpoint) returns "Sorry, we couldn't find this location."
Trying to navigate to a favorited address returns the error: "We were unable to generate your route. Try again?"
Using an HTC Touch Pro 2, WM 6.5 App, Sprint is the carrier, Bing Mobile version 5.1.2010.6280
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I used bing navigation two days ago and it worked fine.
Sounds like you need to do some housecleaning on your device.
Also, I suggest you update QuickGPS then after that soft reset and then after rebooting completely open the bing app and try it.

Obsolete

mr.horndoctor said:
I used bing navigation two days ago and it worked fine.
Sounds like you need to do some housecleaning on your device.
Also, I suggest you update QuickGPS then after that soft reset and then after rebooting completely open the bing app and try it.
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might just not be working in his country or region?

bing not working
same problem here.
i get: "Sorry, we cannot complete your search. Please check your connection and try again"
with any search string.
I'm using a HTC Touch Pro2 on sprint.
between opera, Bing, and SERO I really didn't see any need to upgrade my phone. but losing Bing really reduces the functionality of my phone.
Yes, I have re-installed Bing, updated quick GPS.

The same thing has happened to me. I"m using an HTC Touch Pro 2, WM 6.5 App, and Sprint is the carrier. Bing mobile has worked for me for about a year, all of sudden last week the Navigation no longer works, can't find any addresses. The Map works and can "Locate Me", but I'm unable to get driving directions.
I noticed that Navigation is grayed out in Bing Settings. Does anyone know a resolution to all of this? Thanks

Microsoft is really trying hard to eliminate WinMo from everyone's memory...
Have you guys tried Waze...?

Waze seems nice but it keeps crashing sense on exit. If I can find a workaround I'll definitely use it, although I will miss the voice search Bing offered.

timjarsky said:
Waze seems nice but it keeps crashing sense on exit. If I can find a workaround I'll definitely use it, although I will miss the voice search Bing offered.
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Waze doesn't have voice search? I guess the voice search I use in Waze is provided thru the OS not Waze itself... Never used Waze on WinMo, only Android and iOS... Sorry.
Have you tried disabling Sense? I know, it's really the only thing that makes WinMo bearable...

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Waze doesn't have voice search? I guess the voice search I use in Waze is provided thru the OS not Waze itself... Never used Waze on WinMo, only Android and iOS... Sorry.
Have you tried disabling Sense? I know, it's really the only thing that makes WinMo bearable...
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using the task manager to kill Waze avoids the problem.

I might give Waze a shot. I've actually been running Android on the phone and using Google Navigation and it has been going pretty well. Voice search works real well, and Google Nav seems just as good as Bing at navigating around traffic. Biggest complaint at the moment is that Qik doesn't work on it, but it hasn't worked on Windows Mobile in over a year, so no big loss.
Android is a bit slow at times, but so far has been pretty damn stable. Most of the apps I've tried run decent enough. No games of course.
The biggest draw back of Android for me so far has been battery life. Some times the phone can easily go overnight without a charge, and other times it eats up the battery in 3 hours of no use. Seems like some of the third party apps don't properly close out when you're done using them and prevent the phone from going to sleep mode. I think I've managed to figure out who the trouble makers are (one was a garage sale app), and haven't noticed any problem with any of Google's apps or the major third party apps (Tapatalk, Facebook, Pandora, Opera).
Overall its been a very positive experience and instead of upgrading to a new phone I'm seriously considering continuing to use my TP2 but with Android as the primary OS for as long as possible.
I just have to keep reminding myself that playing the latest Angry Birds isn't worth $20/mo extra, and that while a better camera would be nice, I don't NEED it.

There are still a lot of Windows Mobile devices out there. In fact some carriers were still selling them less than a year ago. I know Microsoft sent an email out concerning closing the Market Place for Windows Mobile users, but I don't remember getting anything on Bing. It's funny how they don't support their own people and end up driving their long time users to other apps and OS's (ie. Google Maps/Android). Is there anywhere where you can at least ask the question of what the issue maybe and if they plan on fixing it.

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There are still a lot of Windows Mobile devices out there. In fact some carriers were still selling them less than a year ago. I know Microsoft sent an email out concerning closing the Market Place for Windows Mobile users, but I don't remember getting anything on Bing. It's funny how they don't support their own people and end up driving their long time users to other apps and OS's (ie. Google Maps/Android). Is there anywhere where you can at least ask the question of what the issue maybe and if they plan on fixing it.
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You can try tweeting them I guess... Social media has made large companies respond to small issues before.
I don't think Microsoft will really care about any issues with WinMo, they want you to buy a WP7 phone. They continue to support WinMo, they're basically continuing the loss of revenue.

I can guarantee you I will not be buying a Windows 7 Phone based purely on the way MS has treated WM users, especially after promising that they would continue to support WM.
Also, here's a post I made about this at the Bing forums and the response:
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/bingmaps/thread/e0922592-ec17-4a37-8d3d-1e0b70413303
Short answer, MS turned off the token service the app was using.

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Short answer, MS turned off the token service the app was using.
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I figured it was something like this. Thanks for closure, even if it's not the kind you were hoping for...
Android FTW

This is lunacy! Bing mobile was the only reason I still have a WinMo device. Does MS really think by disabling Bing mobile is really going to make me by a Win 7 phone? NOT! Guess where I'll be going next? Not MS because of the heavy hand treatment.
There is no harm in letting an app continue to work. We've all expected no more updates, but disabling = alienating. This is the last straw, bye MS!
With all that said, I've been trying alternatives for navigation and Waze seems to be the best free. Google maps is OK, but the GPS is not accurate and the text is super small to read so not really useful while driving. I found others that seemed promising but just cant get them to work. I'll stick with Waze for now until I get an iPhone or Android.
This is so unfortunate since Bing mobile was by far, better than any navigation app (including TomTom), even on the iPhone (my wife has an iPhone so I've tried others). I have no idea why MS keeps shooting themselves in the foot. Get a clue MS! This is why you are so far behind everyone else! Its not your technology, its your execution!

Try loading Android on your phone. I've been having good luck with Google Navigation, it bypasses traffic like Bing does, and its search is much better at finding destinations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171052
The release I linked to there is stable and most everything works. The only "trick" I had to learn was to put WM into Airplane mode before launching Android.

shawndoc said:
I can guarantee you I will not be buying a Windows 7 Phone based purely on the way MS has treated WM users, especially after promising that they would continue to support WM.
Also, here's a post I made about this at the Bing forums and the response:
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/bingmaps/thread/e0922592-ec17-4a37-8d3d-1e0b70413303
Short answer, MS turned off the token service the app was using.
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this is crazy, first myphone then marketplace now bing. what the heck. for tyhr first time im actually considering moving to android. ive been playong with waze and it is an awesome idea but the navigation is not comparable to a standalone gps where bing was almost. The fact that i could do voice searches actually made it better then my old garmin. I was gonna update my dad to a smartphone and give him an extra tp2 figuring he could really use a gps. Now that sprint forced us to update too a current plan im gonna try the sprint navigation. I went to see your post and microsofts response but they seemed to remove it. what did they say?

Weird, wonder why they removed it. Guess they were getting flamed by angry people after their response.
Basically someone from MS said that he wasn't familiar with the Bing app for WM, but that they'd recently turned off the "old" token service. So if the old app used those tokens to communication to the Bing servers, it wouldn't work any more.
And again, I'd suggest loading Android on the TP2 and trying out Google Navigation. It has a voice search that seems much better than the Bing app for voice recognition, and much better at finding locations.

Why can't I have it all?

Today is one of the days per year that I have a full Saturday without my family around to bug me. As I sit here wasting my day trying to figure out how to "have it all", I have to "vent". I don't understand why this is so difficult. It's not about the money, I would write a check with several zeros if someone could find a solution for me. All I want, is a phone that Google and Apple can't track, but is still functional for my needs.
LineageOS with Micro is ALMOST that solution. But, every day something doesn't work like it should. I need to be able to schedule texts and send MMS messages that don't sacrafice quality. What do you user for that? Google Messages. Well, I don't want to sign into Google so none of those features work. In fact, even if I do sign in, none of those features work. Ok, I'll try Textra. Nope. Won't work with MicroG because it "needs google service". I have tried around a dozen messaging apps, but either they don't schedule texts or they don't send MMS.
I drive 1,000s of miles for work in different vehicles in unfamiliar areas. I listen to many podcasts and take lots of phone calls on the road. So, given the amount of travel and variation of vehicles I drive, having a physcial GPS or using a phone mount isn't practical. Using my phone as a handheld GPS isn't smart. What's left? Android Auto. Ok, I've tried using a separate phone for Android Auto, but then phone calls don't come through. I've almost crashed trying to juggle those.
What am I working on today? I've been using Brave Browser, but I also use 1password. 1password functionality is broken on 90% of the sites I visit on Brave, so I downloaded Firefox. 1password works great, but my corporate security app routes everything from Firefox through itself, and breaks everything. It doesn't happen with Brave and I can't delete my work app. So Brave wins that battle.
So I thought -- why don't I just install LinesageOS with gapps, create a brand new google account to login with, and never use that google ID anywhere else. But after some research and asking on different message boards, THAT doesn't work either.
At this point, how does someone in my shoes not just say f#*k it, you win Google/Apple, and go back to a stock OS?

faknit said:
have to "vent"
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Kinda know this feeling.
faknit said:
want, is a phone that Google and Apple can't track
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How about Librem? Or at least iodeOS?
faknit said:
Google Messages
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Why in the 1st place?
faknit said:
What's left? Android Auto
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Well, other than that, perhaps Osmand?
faknit said:
you win Google/Apple, and go back to a stock OS?
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NO WAY, over my dad's cat!
I do understand and share your frustration but giving up is not a good choice here.
Sometimes less is more, I don't use MicroG at all and people keep pestering me since years to get Whatsapp, Signal, Threema, Telegram, Slack, Discord and all that ****. Nah, stop being stupid and just keep using email, SMS or jabber.
Unless another Noah posts free tickets for Ark 2 on whatsapp, I am perfectly fine, I guess

A little late on my reply! Figured I'd still throw this out there.
I can't use Librem & iodeOS because of work requirements. I have to use their applications for email/messaging etc. Unfortunately the apps also detect/block Custom ROMs so I have no choice but to root so I can use magisk.
Literally the only reason I want Google Messages (which, for what I want requires chat features enabled) is to schedule messages without losing other functionality. QKSMS works great, but you can't share videos. Several others that are recommended won't work without Google services. There was one that worked really well but crashed every couple hours and would only work after uninstalling.
Android Auto, I could care less which application I use TBH, but nothing else will do what I need. I need the map to display on the cars screen so I'm not staring at my phone. A second phone isn't an option because 1. I'd lose it 2. Work won't pay for a phone because they suck and I can't afford 2 plans. Same excuses for a dedicated GPS. A phone mount is difficult because of the sheer variety of vehicles I drive, and I usually don't know what I'll be driving. So I'd have to take several styles of mount on every trip.
All that said --- I vented and I feel better. I'm just dealing with the problems.

faknit said:
Work won't pay for a phone because they suck and I can't afford 2 plans
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That sounds familiar. A previous company insisted on iphone which I despised but I tried anyway for a month, ever since I hate everything crapple even more
But wait, can't solve issue 1... issue 2: Hotspot on company phone? Muahahahaaa