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Hey guys does anyone know if there's any chance of being able to substitute Bing for Google on the WP7? Granted I don't think Bing is that bad but being in Australia it seems Bing is only focussed towards America and so when doing items such as local searches I can tell I am going to get a subpar experience.
Thanks for your replies
So far the answer been a bit fat NO. Google also defaults on all Android devices *cough*
So it's perfectly reasonable Microsoft want value for their money. Besides, Bing ain't that bad Specially for the type of searches you typically want to do on a phone (and it integrates with Bing Maps, the phone's default maps solution)
Bing maps is brilliant especially the Silverlight version which is what i believe the phones use is particularly faster than google maps. But I agree that at the mo it's very US focused featurewise, hopefully this changes before launch
Yeah so far from what I've seen the Maps is definitely the best feature, I just hope MS will allow for the chance for say Google to port the search over as that local thing would be great on there where (from what I've seen) Google has a far larger database of customers and choice around me. It would surely be pretty commercially viable for Google if MS allowed it so fingers crossed
There will be a Google app, but you won't be able to change the local search engine from Bing (you can change the default search in IE, though). If all else fails, see if you can change Bing's settings to "US English".
LOL!!! How embarassing for Microsoft. There is a bug on WP7 with some carriers where if you press search, you get Yahoo, not Bing
I had to laugh!!
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...d9b-5650-4e58-bef4-3b27972a635c?prof=required
It's just O2 in the UK I beleive. I raised this last week when asking about customisations that carriers may have made, and appears to be intentional by O2. Though I get the impression Microsoft where not aware and may not be happy.
AceofSpades25 said:
LOL!!! How embarassing for Microsoft. There is a bug on WP7 with some carriers where if you press search, you get Yahoo, not Bing
I had to laugh!!
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...d9b-5650-4e58-bef4-3b27972a635c?prof=required
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It's the carrier, look at the Samsung Galaxy S on US Verizon - Fascinate - an Android phone, running Google services, yet you press search and Bing! you got.
Yeah, we all know what a crap carriers could load if it's on them. However that was one of the promises for Windows Phone 7 - no more bloatware. Now what are we seeing - the same s#it. For me pressing the search and bringing Yahoo, 360 (Orange users knows what I mean) or whatever is utterly annoying, especially there is not a way for changing that.
It has always been known (since the first leaked documents on WP7) that the carriers and the OEMs can, indeed, change some aspects of the phone.
However, they are VERY limited in what they're allowed to do. I didn't think they could change the search button, but I did know that they could change the default search provider within IE.
Casey
I'd love to change it to google... Bing just doesn't give me what i'm looking for... it's really terrible for me...
Well, I did not read every letter of the "early leaked" docs about WP7, however I did read something like the following on many different sources: Windows Phone 7: Bing only default search option . So now, when it is already known this isn't exactly true, I am quite disappointed. I like the idea about sameness user experience on every device, but I am afraid it is now somehow compromised with substitution of the default search in IE.
evilangelic said:
I'd love to change it to google... Bing just doesn't give me what i'm looking for... it's really terrible for me...
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For my job I need to use a search engine at least 5 times a day. I find Bing to be awesome! I find google to be so boring and depressing.
I would be really unhappy though if Yahoo came up every time I clicked search.
I guess your only choice is to click home first before search whenever in the browser
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For my job I need to use a search engine at least 5 times a day. I find Bing to be awesome! I find google to be so boring and depressing.
I would be really unhappy though if Yahoo came up every time I clicked search.
I guess your only choice is to click home first before search whenever in the browser
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I do have a live tile to google front page lol
Most carriers really irritate me. As if it wasn't enough to rip us off, and cap our broadband. They go and install their crap on our phones too!
I'm fairly confident that eventually we'll be able to flash generic WP7 ROMs to carrier-modified devices to avoid these stupid types of things. It'll be a while though, seeing as WP7 is brand new and not necessarily attractive to the usual breed of hardcore 6.1 / 6.5 modders and cooks on xda-developers.
For now, if I ever have to search while I'm in IE I'm first hitting the Start button and then Search.
Really, I hope users can do this themselves with ease, I am not a huge fan of Bing... Although it is a million times better than Yahoo xD.
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Most carriers really irritate me. As if it wasn't enough to rip us off, and cap our broadband. They go and install their crap on our phones too!
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Yeah.
I think carriers need to stop putting their rubbish on OUR phones. It would also be nice if they remove the internet caps too
On the HD2, when in Opera browser, you can type in the URL field opera:config and get access to a lot of the browser settings. Maybe there is something similar for ie on the HD7 to change the search engine????
Also that is not all O2 have changed. They have removed the option to use voice search when using bing. Normally you would hold the windows button down and say "find cash point" for example.
Even the people tab has been changed as when you click on a contact's address, you should be taken direct to the address on bing maps. Alas O2 decided to remove this feature too! That's THREE things thay have changed. Sucks
Boy i can imagine how much fun AT&T is going to have with the search button lol.
diego1985 said:
Boy i can imagine how much fun AT&T is going to have with the search button lol.
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AT&T has never been into those modifications, unlike Verizon. Mictosoft has taken care of the usual AT&T annoyances: their crappy preloaded modofied Opera Mini, TeleNav, MobiTV, and other associated bloatwares. WP7 doesn't sideload like droids so they don't have to worry about that. Captivate was actually decent, and they didn't do much to the Pre/Pixi.
I wouldn't expect any surprisrs, TBH.
Bing is a great search enging, though. I had it set as my homepage simce forever. Google even copied their image search UI. Bing Maps is good, as well.
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Microsoft should pull all of their phones from O2 for their Bull***t
N8ter said:
AT&T has never been into those modifications, unlike Verizon. Mictosoft has taken care of the usual AT&T annoyances: their crappy preloaded modofied Opera Mini, TeleNav, MobiTV, and other associated bloatwares. WP7 doesn't sideload like droids so they don't have to worry about that. Captivate was actually decent, and they didn't do much to the Pre/Pixi.
I wouldn't expect any surprisrs, TBH.
Bing is a great search enging, though. I had it set as my homepage simce forever. Google even copied their image search UI. Bing Maps is good, as well.
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Well that's a relief I guess, with all the garbage they loaded on my Samsung Jack win mo 6.5 im looking for a upgrade without all of that crapware.
I had a jack. Crapware on winmo never bothered me because the OS has supported installing applications to sd cards since forever... Like nearly a decade.
Just had to remap a couple buttons on the phone, that's about it.
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martoto said:
Well, I did not read every letter of the "early leaked" docs about WP7, however I did read something like the following on many different sources: Windows Phone 7: Bing only default search option . So now, when it is already known this isn't exactly true, I am quite disappointed. I like the idea about sameness user experience on every device, but I am afraid it is now somehow compromised with substitution of the default search in IE.
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Bing IS the only search option on the o2 HD7. You press search from almost anywhere and you get taken to the bing search app.
What o2 HAVE changed however, is if you press search from WITHIN IE you get Yahoo. This is within the browser only.
where is bing maps navigation for wp7? it is glaringly missing
If I'm not mistaken, I keep hearing it'll be available in the January '11 release...as well as a bundle of other features...
hopefullly itll be reall turn by turn navigation and maybe copy paste will be included as well,
Gateau Noël said:
where is bing maps navigation for wp7? it is glaringly missing
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Tell me about it. It was one of the very first things that shocked the gizzard out of me when I saw it missing. I originally thought I was just overlooking it or not looking in the right place because I knew it had to be there...being that the HD2 with the previous Microsoft mobile OS had it, and that nearly every other smartphone in the world has free voice-nav of some sort. But no, it is completely absent.
On the plus side, the nav that it does have, Bing Maps, is useful.
at least they have directions working in windows phone. they could of left you with nothing at all. but yes, rumour has it that it's coming with the jan update. see how it goes? but yea, i've been using the map directions quite a bit and it works very well.
MartyLK said:
On the plus side, the nav that it does have, Bing Maps, is useful.
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Except where Bing's map data is useless... ahhhh where is Google Maps for WP7...
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Tell me about it. It was one of the very first things that shocked the gizzard out of me when I saw it missing. I originally thought I was just overlooking it or not looking in the right place because I knew it had to be there...being that the HD2 with the previous Microsoft mobile OS had it, and that nearly every other smartphone in the world has free voice-nav of some sort. But no, it is completely absent.
On the plus side, the nav that it does have, Bing Maps, is useful.
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And telenav for t-mobile, I can pay for a month of it if I really need it (first 30 days free).
amb9800 said:
Except where Bing's map data is useless... ahhhh where is Google Maps for WP7...
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Have you asked google that? I doubt microsoft is going to make a google maps app, google would probably sue them...
I'm still shocked that it's not included. When they updated the Bing app for WM6 it seemed like a lot of the features (including Voice Nav) had been back-ported from WP7. Apparently that wasn't the case. It amazes me that the old Bing app has more features than WP7 does. FWIW, the old app screws up a lot and would get confused. Maybe they were planning on including it but couldn't get those kinks worked out in time for launch and didn't want to release something half-assed? A definite posibility imo.
I tried Bing Maps on my LG.
In Germany the maps are not half as good as the google maps are.
Many of the small streets are either not named or not on the map at all.
I hope there will be a cool offline navi available soon.
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at least they have directions working in windows phone. they could of left you with nothing at all. but yes, rumour has it that it's coming with the jan update. see how it goes? but yea, i've been using the map directions quite a bit and it works very well.
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Could you please tell me how you get directions to work on bing-maps on WP7?? I can't seem to figure it out :-S
Thanks..
KingPin_DK said:
Could you please tell me how you get directions to work on bing-maps on WP7?? I can't seem to figure it out :-S
Thanks..
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If you are expecting voice-guided directions, that won't happen. WP7 doesn't currently do voice-guided nav. But Bing maps will show you your current location and update it as you travel along. You just have to keep an eye on the screen to see where you are. If you have a passenger, let them watch the screen and be your voice-guided nav.
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If you are expecting voice-guided directions, that won't happen. WP7 doesn't currently do voice-guided nav. But Bing maps will show you your current location and update it as you travel along. You just have to keep an eye on the screen to see where you are. If you have a passenger, let them watch the screen and be your voice-guided nav.
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Haha, great idea with the co-driver
But anywho...I found out, that you have to set your region- and browsersettings to "united states" to get the directions-arrow in the bing-maps. Otherwise, it doesn't show!
But thanks for fast reply
this isn't true for all cases. i still have australia set to my region and it is working fine. but yea for a lot of countries you'll need it.
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If you are expecting voice-guided directions, that won't happen. WP7 doesn't currently do voice-guided nav. But Bing maps will show you your current location and update it as you travel along. You just have to keep an eye on the screen to see where you are. If you have a passenger, let them watch the screen and be your voice-guided nav.
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It might. Windows mobile and Android have turn by turn.
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It might. Windows mobile and Android have turn by turn.
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There's no doubt WP7 will eventually have Bing TbT voice nav like WinMo had. But not till around the end of the year at the soonest and likely not even then. And it may not be free, but who knows.
I prefer the Bing TbT voice nav to the Google version. It seems to work better,,,at least it did on my HD2 when it had a WinMo OS on it.
Today I tried to use Bing Maps for ANYTHING.
Poland. Country where WP7 is officially sold.
Well this native app is a total useless crap.
The only thing I can find there is cities. THAT'S IT!
It is not able to find ANY STREET neither any place I am looking for.
Nothing.
So in fact it's a useless ****. The question is:
1. When Google will provide a WORKING app for WP7
2. Or do we know when MS will move it's ass and support countries they sell devices in?!
Yes, yes it is.
Oh and to answer your question.
1. I am guessing that Google doesn't really help the competition. There Google search app looks really bad on WP7.
2. Most likely, it will come with an update when they decided turn by turn navigation. Pretty certain of that because the website shows street names.
doministry said:
Today I tried to use Bing Maps for ANYTHING.
Poland. Country where WP7 is officially sold.
Well this native app is a total useless crap.
The only thing I can find there is cities. THAT'S IT!
It is not able to find ANY STREET neither any place I am looking for.
Nothing.
So in fact it's a useless ****. The question is:
1. When Google will provide a WORKING app for WP7
2. Or do we know when MS will move it's ass and support countries they sell devices in?!
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I agree that it is very limited, but I have found a way to make it work in Sweden. I have to set System locale abd Browser & search language to English (United Kingdom). Then you search for adresses with this exact formula: Streetname number, city, country. With these settings and formula, Bing maps have found every adress I've wanted in Sweden.
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I agree that it is very limited, but I have found a way to make it work in Sweden. I have to set System locale abd Browser & search language to English (United Kingdom). Then you search for adresses with this exact formula: Streetname number, city, country. With these settings and formula, Bing maps have found every adress I've wanted in Sweden.
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Thanks. I have my device set to these values.
But nothing. It says cannot find a desired place. The only thing it understands is cities. Even when I write it with the formula you showed.
BTW, you write it with comas?
Doesn't matter, whatever I do - nothing.
Pure crap.
doministry said:
Thanks. I have my device set to these values.
But nothing. It says cannot find a desired place. The only thing it understands is cities. Even when I write it with the formula you showed.
BTW, you write it with comas?
Doesn't matter, whatever I do - nothing.
Pure crap.
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Thats very strange... Whitout comas, it works 90% of the times. With comas, it works every time.
The maps are, however, very outdated. Buildings and streets that are three years old does show up in the searches, but they are not shown in the satelite pictures.
It might suck for you, but here in the UK, it works absolutely perfectly.
GenkaiMade said:
It might suck for you, but here in the UK, it works absolutely perfectly.
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ditto
Obviously can't comment outside of UK, but it does suck if it doesn't work in other countries without cocking about
It absolutely doesn't work besides city name search.
Doesn't find anything in Poland.
That makes me reconsider using this OS.
I have no slight piece of information when this will ever happen.
There will be google maps at some point. Google has a different business model to most other companies, it doesn't matter that they have android the idea is that they push as many google services out to as many people as possible (and that will include Windows Phone 7 users).
More users = more viewers/clicks on google ads = more revenue. About 80% of google's revenue comes from Advertising.
doministry said:
Today I tried to use Bing Maps for ANYTHING.
Poland. Country where WP7 is officially sold.
Well this native app is a total useless crap.
The only thing I can find there is cities. THAT'S IT!
It is not able to find ANY STREET neither any place I am looking for.
Nothing.
So in fact it's a useless ****. The question is:
1. When Google will provide a WORKING app for WP7
2. Or do we know when MS will move it's ass and support countries they sell devices in?!
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Yes, it is. The whole system is crap right now. And it won't be anything good for a whole friggin year. I've been waiting for voice nav for a long time and then I find out it won't make it in for at least a year, if even then.
have you tried using 'justanothermaps' i think its called, its based on google maps...might work better for you
Bing Maps sucks indeed
Bing Maps is just a terrible program...A real shame actually
I cannot use it in my country.
Bing Maps sucks...
Bing maps is FAIL! they should take it off as it destroys the platform. in my city, it only shows 4 roads! we need google maps now!
sergioiacobucci said:
have you tried using 'justanothermaps' i think its called, its based on google maps...might work better for you
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Thanks. But I can't buy this because of the Marketplace not supported in my country!!!!!
slighmd said:
Bing maps is FAIL! they should take it off as it destroys the platform. in my city, it only shows 4 roads! we need google maps now!
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Maybe take it off in countries it does not work, but in the UK it's great and I would prefer to have it.
The fact is it support almost nothing in countries like Poland.
doministry said:
Thanks. But I can't buy this because of the Marketplace not supported in my country!!!!!
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this could help
http://wmpoweruser.com/wp7-marketplace-enabler-brings-marketplace-to-new-countries/
domineus said:
this could help
http://wmpoweruser.com/wp7-marketplace-enabler-brings-marketplace-to-new-countries/
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Yeah, but I don't want to screw my PC.
And I don't use the PC version to buy apps but the phone one.
The U.S.
I can't believe Microsoft would sell a phone and not fully support the area that they are selling it in. It seems like something small and extremely stupid Microsoft would do. Hopefully they will fix that along with the many other little things that they decided to leave out on their system. From the U.S. standpoint though, I have got to say I actually like Bing maps a whole lot more than Google maps. I have used Android for a long time and I use everything Google. I decided to go with WP7, because it was newest and I loved the size of the HD7. Bing maps is amazing, it is what free GPS programs should be. I hope other companies take a look at this and I hope Microsoft updates maps to make it a worthwhile application everywhere.
doministry said:
Thanks. I have my device set to these values.
But nothing. It says cannot find a desired place. The only thing it understands is cities. Even when I write it with the formula you showed.
BTW, you write it with comas?
Doesn't matter, whatever I do - nothing.
Pure crap.
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Have you tried to open a contact and tap on the (map home) address. Then it should find the address at the map.
Guys, I just saw this in Zune software. NavFone by Bali. The description says it's a voice guided navigation app for WP7 devices.
http://www.marketplacebrowser.com/291557/navfone-bali-gps
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Guys, I just saw this in Zune software. NavFone by Bali. The description says it's a voice guided navigation app for WP7 devices.
http://www.marketplacebrowser.com/291557/navfone-bali-gps
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I use Navi Ninasus for voice guided navigation. Maybe it's not available outside of Germany.
Not available in the UK.
MartyLK said:
Guys, I just saw this in Zune software. NavFone by Bali. The description says it's a voice guided navigation app for WP7 devices.
http://www.marketplacebrowser.com/291557/navfone-bali-gps
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Not available in Australia... and in description it says its for Bali.
But it surely prove the implementation of voice guided navigation.....
What about silver navigator? Voice turn by turn navigator.
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Not available in Australia... and in description it says its for Bali.
But it surely prove the implementation of voice guided navigation.....
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Hehe...I thought that was the brand name. I need to get out and see the world someday.
Until they can fully multi-task I don't see them being that good. I tried the other one after I seen something about it on Twitter, and I just can't deal with it unless it can multi task and pop up when you need to do something on screen in voice with a Toast-Like notification (think the Zune Controls when the phone is locked).
SilverNavigator shows promise. All it needs is local business search and voice input for searching and I think it would be great.
anyone else find this interesting? somewhere down the line microsoft is going to bring out navigation for bing maps like in 6.5 for free right?
in the meantime private developers can make some money by providing apps that fill in those feature gaps. (don't get me wrong, I'm willing to pay, i need a navigation app asap).
I was just wondering if any of you thought it was microsoft giving those folks a bone or their software is just not prepared at all and they're like oh dang we're too slow everyone else is making apps...
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anyone else find this interesting? somewhere down the line microsoft is going to bring out navigation for bing maps like in 6.5 for free right?
in the meantime private developers can make some money by providing apps that fill in those feature gaps. (don't get me wrong, I'm willing to pay, i need a navigation app asap).
I was just wondering if any of you thought it was microsoft giving those folks a bone or their software is just not prepared at all and they're like oh dang we're too slow everyone else is making apps...
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With MS, nothing is sure. I'm of the mind to think they just aren't smart enough to do it. But any number of scenarios could be true. However, from all I've understood of MS, deception is certainly high on the list. MS isn't a consumer oriented company and they don't seem to know how to deal with the public to make them happy. Personally, I believe this ethic will cost them again like it has with Zune and WinMo. I figure stuff like free Bing nav in WinMo 6.5 was a last ditch effort to try to stave off the bleeding. I believe if MS could take your money and give you nothing in return, that is their highest business goal.
I couldn't have imagined that Microsoft would launch WP7 without any GPS app available at launch.
Turn-by-turn is an essential feature on a smartphone.
MS have been working for 2 years on WP7. I thought they would work hand in hand with a major GPS software developer. But no. Nothing.
More than 6 months after launch there is still nothing. Navigon is not available in my country, Google Maps is not available, Tom Tom is not interested in WP7... and I can't stand Bing Maps which is unusuable.
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I couldn't have imagined that Microsoft would launch WP7 without any GPS app available at launch.
Turn-by-turn is an essential feature on a smartphone.
MS have been working for 2 years on WP7. I thought they would work hand in hand with a major GPS software developer. But no. Nothing.
More than 6 months after launch there is still nothing. Navigon is not available in my country, Google Maps is not available, Tom Tom is not interested in WP7... and I can't stand Bing Maps which is unusuable.
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I think that is a little bit of an over-reaction. To my knowledge, the only smartphone with a bult in turn-by-turn app is Android (wich technicaly is a free downloadable app, not built in). The free app for WM6.5 only worked on phones with the correct resolution display (still doesn't work on my Vogue).
Although I don't like Bing as much as I did google maps, it actualy works fairly well.
I think the biggest issue is multi-tasking. How can you run a Turn-by-Turn app, then after answering the phone, the app has to re-load.
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Navigon is not available in my country, Google Maps is not available, Tom Tom is not interested in WP7... and I can't stand Bing Maps which is unusuable.
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I have been testing Navigon in France since two weeks.
The software is basic, but it does the job.
All you need to do to make it work you will find in this forum. For the files... Google will be your friend.
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I have been testing Navigon in France since two weeks.
The software is basic, but it does the job.
All you need to do to make it work you will find in this forum. For the files... Google will be your friend.
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Thank you very much for the help.
If only Bing Map could be as efficient.... : http://youtu.be/8UT0wJ1Go7A
I just discovered it, and I am amazed. Maybe I chose the wrong OS
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Thank you very much for the help.
If only Bing Map could be as efficient.... : http://youtu.be/8UT0wJ1Go7A
I just discovered it, and I am amazed. Maybe I chose the wrong OS
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Your call. Bing Maps won't be the solution, I strongly doubt that.
LE: I stand corrected, MS is at it, apparently they're looking into it
Microsoft already announced its partnership with Nokia and Ovi maps are okish (something to read here)
As for the Google Maps... needs Android. And for that, ask yourself: do you think it's perfectly ok for someone else to know everything you've done, browsed, phoned, texted, etc? Also to be able to control what apps you install, eventually block or uninstall them remotely without your interaction? Not for me...
Personally I've used both TomTom and iGo, and I prefer the later. Hopefully one of these solutions will be here for WP7. One can dream
Btw, there is a thread here about Navigon on HD2 WP7
Thanks a lot EnderPsp