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Seeing how iphone is popular with thier 99 cents games and apps do you think there should be a windows mobile 99cent store. It would be alot better for developers because people wouldnt mind paying 99 cents for a fun game or apps and it will cut down people looking for warez. I mean 29 dollars for a game or app is too much. And with that price volume would be high what do you think?
There doesn't seem to be any real competition in the Marketplace. I mean, if there were like 30 marble maddness-type games, then you'd find a lot for 99 cents.
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Well believe me the windows mobile marketplace doesnt allow games and apps made by 3rd party compilers to compete. They want everyone to use thier set of tools to make games and apps. Check out stores like mobi-hand which offer way better games and apps. I feel 99 cent price range will limit the amount of warez thats exploding . I seen some websites that have almost every game made for windows mobile for free. The price change is nessary.
Seeing how iphone is popular with thier 99 cents games and apps do you think there should be a windows mobile 99cent store.
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No. Let them charge whatever they want for their apps. If you don't want them, don't buy them.
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rodbac said:
No. Let them charge whatever they want for their apps. If you don't want them, don't buy them.
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Well developers are complaining that sales are that high. This results in making windows phone7 a lockdown phone. I feel if they charge less customers would purchase more and not look for free alternatives. There should be a separate 99 cent store for windows mobile
Well developers are complaining that sales are that high.
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Did you mean "devs are complaining that sales aren't that high"?
If not, I don't understand your point.
If so, there's nothing stopping them from charging only a buck for their applications.
The success of the iPhone app store isn't its pricepoint, but the fact that it caters to a phone a lot of people own (I wouldn't buy one myself) and they have no other choice- it's a locked platform.
In other words, yeah, I guess a 99c store would be great, but it wouldn't really change anything. Devs should still be able to charge more (you get better apps that way- do you think you'd be able to buy SPB Mobile Shell if they had no other choice but to sell it for a buck?), and you can still buy/obtain software from any place you like.
warez
The reason I brought this up is as long as games and apps are high priced people will search very hard for warez. If the price point is low many people will just buy the product without worrying about looking for warez. Look anyone can jailbrake iphone but still most people buy the app because its so cheap.
I agree with you, zarpy. The point is devs are free to drop their price to 99c now. They shouldn't need some dedicated store to force them to acknowledge one of the most basic tenets of the free market.
I dont know if most of the 99 cent apps or games would be that great. I would imagine the quality of the app or the content itself would be lacking or out dated. I would be willing to pay a reasonable price for an application that would be value added and provide some functionality that would enhance the overall experience of my phone, but I would never buy a game. I don't find myself in enough situations to be able to whip out my phone and play for extended periods of time.
why charge 99 cents? there are lots of freeware games and apps out there if you take the time to look for them
they dont make it to marketplace because of the restrictions on apps that can be sold through there
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defaultdotxbe said:
why charge 99 cents? there are lots of freeware games and apps out there if you take the time to look for them
they dont make it to marketplace because of the restrictions on apps that can be sold through there
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Your right about that they place restrictions that make no sense. I found better online stores with way better and more useful games and apps. There news to be another big online store for windows mobile. Maybe in the future.
zarpy said:
Your right about that they place restrictions that make no sense. I found better online stores with way better and more useful games and apps. There news to be another big online store for windows mobile. Maybe in the future.
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doubtful, once WP7 is out the marketplace will be the only source for apps, so MS can put whatever restrictions on it they want
restrictions
Yes I agree once Microsoft totally controls the Marketplace. most phones will be hacked just to download freeware and buy from other narkets.
control
So do you want microsoft to have more control or do you like the way it is now.
Is there really a filter in there? The 90% of the apps in market are really a bunch of junk, yesterday I saw a 400 bucks app that someone did for fun... (not much fun if someone double click the buy button).
I mean is microsoft really fitering the apps for wp7 or they just want to increase the ammount of apps asap?
When are the good apps (like in windows mobile 6) coming?
When we will able to have some serious apps for buy? I speak about GPS navs, configuration tools for connections, tethering apps, voip and all the great stuff that we had on windows mobile etc...
No, you are not dreaming.
They are adding 5 new 'Calculate the Tips' software every week.
Really nice, isn't it?
No it's not just you ... there is alot of rubbish out there but to be fair ... I wouldn't say 90%. There are a few decent bit.
I was expecting this and imagine it will only get better as MS have given this OS some motherly love as opposed to WM
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it will only get better as MS have given this OS some motherly love as opposed to WM
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Nice. So we can expect some good 'Fart' applications in the near future ?
no offense, but how many apps in the apple market or android market are actually any good??? Not very many.
1. HTC has a connections config app, if you didn't buy an htc phone then shame on you.
2. There is a voip app in the marketplace, someone else was talking about it.
3. You do know the OS is less than a month old right???
OK, I have used the Palm market place, the Itunes app store, the android market and the windows market and I have found that in all cases 90% of the apps are rubbish or variations on a theme (tip calculators for the numerically challenged etc.). I am waiting for only 1 app which has been promised - Kindle!!!
That's what makes Apple's app store so laughable. They occasionally announce that there's a bazillion or so apps in their store but 98% of them are rubbish. I suspect the WP7 market will most likely mirror that and it probably should. The alternative is to become Apple and turn things down because "there's too many of those" or "there's no good reason for this" or the worst, no reason at all. Where Apple's store really fails is their rating system. If Microsoft can identify and correct that weakness they'll definitely have an upper hand.
Its the same in every market. No matter where you go there will be junk.
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Is there really a filter in there? The 90% of the apps in market are really a bunch of junk, yesterday I saw a 400 bucks app that someone did for fun... (not much fun if someone double click the buy button).
I mean is microsoft really fitering the apps for wp7 or they just want to increase the ammount of apps asap?
When are the good apps (like in windows mobile 6) coming?
When we will able to have some serious apps for buy? I speak about GPS navs, configuration tools for connections, tethering apps, voip and all the great stuff that we had on windows mobile etc...
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How do you expect to see configuration tweaking apps for the OS that has been locked down like a Ft. Knox?
BTW, happy anniversary.
arturobandini said:
No, you are not dreaming.
They are adding 5 new 'Calculate the Tips' software every week.
Really nice, isn't it?
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Exactly what is the deal with that? That is crazy. Cant even get a decent checkbook app
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No, you are not dreaming.
They are adding 5 new 'Calculate the Tips' software every week.
Really nice, isn't it?
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Another example are currency converters. The funny thing is that I still have to find one that works correctly with German localization...
I just need a good IM app and the Kindle app and im set. Hopefully the IM app supports multiple logins on all platforms.
Isn't it the developers spewing out these applications that are to blame? If someone is so foolish as to pay a $99 fee only to produce a fart application at the end of it, why is it MS's fault? If they rejected the devs work then people would moan that MS is censoring people, big brother, etc. Just let market forces play their part, crap will sink and quality applications will rise by word of mouth and reviews by users.
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Isn't it the developers spewing out these applications that are to blame? If someone is so foolish as to pay a $99 fee only to produce a fart application at the end of it, why is it MS's fault? If they rejected the devs work then people would moan that MS is censoring people, big brother, etc. Just let market forces play their part, crap will sink and quality applications will rise by word of mouth and reviews by users.
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They produce the fart app for you in order to get back that 99 dollars as soon as possible.
Do you think real developers do not want to create good apps? They just need to be interested in what the users want and what they can accomplished with the SDK provided by the manufacturer to satisfy the users' wants.
I suggest for you guys to create a thread, and possibly stick it, on what you want on your device, and get a feedback from developers how easy or difficult it is going to be to implement it,
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Is there really a filter in there? The 90% of the apps in market are really a bunch of junk, yesterday I saw a 400 bucks app that someone did for fun... (not much fun if someone double click the buy button).
I mean is microsoft really fitering the apps for wp7 or they just want to increase the ammount of apps asap?
When are the good apps (like in windows mobile 6) coming?
When we will able to have some serious apps for buy? I speak about GPS navs, configuration tools for connections, tethering apps, voip and all the great stuff that we had on windows mobile etc...
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So are you saying the Android market isn't full of junk? When I perused the Android market, I say 90% filler, including sex app after sex app. And I saw personal quote apps a plenty.
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So are you saying the Android market isn't full of junk? When I perused the Android market, I say 90% filler, including sex app after sex app. And I saw personal quote apps a plenty.
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Stop bringing Android, no need to stir it this way, the thread is about WP7 market.
it goes like this...eventually as the good developers port their apps over to WP7, and the so-so developers get better as they become accustomed to the platform,...the apps on the market will get better. And those apps that are "rubbish" will eventually fade away.
And yes, if you think the WP7 market place is rubbish, there's no doubt that all that rubbish is on every other phone's market place as well...just more of it
lol, I registered to answer this question.
Alot of people are correct in this thread.. Developers are just try to quickly recoup their $99 investment. There is some low lying fruit that can quickly make a buck in a marketplace that has relatively no competition. Flashlights / farts / quotes / bartenders / etc are very easy to make and are a good introduction to new wp7 developers.
What I really came here to say though, is that there is a BIG onus on US to review and rate these apps. We should rate and review every single app we use. Even if you give it a low rating it will push apps that noone even bought lower on the list. I've seen a few free apps with 0 reviews.. this should not happen.
I have an app in development that should be above mediocre, but it takes time and I only got my device for testing 2 days ago. So be patient, we're churning them out.
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lol, I registered to answer this question.
Alot of people are correct in this thread.. Developers are just try to quickly recoup their $99 investment. There is some low lying fruit that can quickly make a buck in a marketplace that has relatively no competition. Flashlights / farts / quotes / bartenders / etc are very easy to make and are a good introduction to new wp7 developers.
What I really came here to say though, is that there is a BIG onus on US to review and rate these apps. We should rate and review every single app we use. Even if you give it a low rating it will push apps that noone even bought lower on the list. I've seen a few free apps with 0 reviews.. this should not happen.
I have an app in development that should be above mediocre, but it takes time and I only got my device for testing 2 days ago. So be patient, we're churning them out.
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Thank you for this bit of reminder. Even when I was in Android, I made good use of the rating system...in WinMo on the HD2 also...and I most of the time forgot to rate them myself.
All these app stores, Apple, Android and Microsoft's, suffer the same problem that there's a glut of garbage in them. I can't speak for Android's as I haven't used it in ages but the problem with Apple's is their lousy rating and review system and poor (if any) filtering. I suspect the Apple and Android stores will probably always look like the software version of a garage sale but my hope is that Microsoft identifies and comes up with a good solution to the problem. Being able to sort based on units sold over a period of time, for example, would cause the real trash to immediately sink to the bottom and out of sight regardless of rating. A great fart board is still a fart board, for example, and how many of any individual app is going to be sold? Out of sight, out of mind.
Not with all the live stuff (would be nice though) but when I flip something up it goes into trash or closes it (think it is nice interaction) also with only pages/programs open shows up in screen slides with this interaction. Could possibly make winmo perform a little better. Sorry for bad wording and such but pressed for time at work Hope someone takes interest in this .
A really good simple app idea for Windows Phone 7
Its funny how one always has a great app idea after the event (read; http://www.windowsphone7.com/ineedt...2526pmodex253D1x2526gridviewx253D0#pbbh21054p),
An app I thought that would be really cool is a supermarket price comparison. The 'story' is that you visit you local store with your shopping list on your phone; the phone checks off the items on the list when you scan their respective barcodes, also as you scan the barcode it brings up the price for the product and the price from the competitor supermarket chains. I think this app would really sell well, and people will buy it because they know they will make their money back in their first shop
What do you guys think?
i would definitely use it
+1 !
but the problem is: who will update the price and the product list?
I believe there already is an API available (for the web -UK supermarkets) which does this for you...all a coder/dev needs to do is build the app.
an API for worldwide would be perfect... i think google provide such api for US/europe?
otherwise, maybe somebody can find an agreement with online stores to provide prices and models ...
really the idea is interesting and someone should start coding it (personnaly i don't currently have enough time )
I remember hearing of the Iphone porting of apps a while back
I was just wandering is anyone actually doing this? I know there is an windows equivalent every now and then but sometimes the apple app works better. I know I am a 6'4 guy that 270, and I love the Lose it App (my fiance has) and I know about vita one (no were near the build in database). And other things that help communicate with others and such. I am not going to apple been there 2x and always perferred windows mobile for the last 6+ years just wanted to ask this. If someone took it up to port apps I am pretty sure there would be hundreds or thousands of people willing to donate/pay for your hard work. Just a thought.
Problem with porting certain apps, is it requires you to actually have a iPhone
If you got some links to apps you would like ported, with screenshots and so on, I'd love to check it out, as porting apps is a good challenge to get familiar with the development environment.
Thanks I meant to put this in the development and hacking section in general not just windows 7 , here is a link to one of them I thought about creating a bounty or reward system for people to request apps and pay developers here to port them? Here is the link for one http://www.loseit.com/
really nice app because the database is constantly updated with nutrition facts from most of places we eat. I will have more later when I repo my girls phone for a while.
I would totally use this. I have the Shopaid app and it is okay, but doesn't update the price and such
The thing is with applications like that, is it depends more on the data that's available. Duplicating the interface into a Metro styled hub for weight-loss and exercise could be done in a day or two, but getting the actual data setup is a completely other story.
Beyond that, you can be totally sure people will duplicate that type of app.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A4TdEV3Sk
Looks like someones already getting the ball rolling.
Someone is already developing that app actually, just go to Youtube and type "windows phone price check app" and you'll see. I can't post the link because I'm new here! The app looks amazing so far.
My company, with decades of experience with Windows development, is looking to break into mobile development in a big way with the launch of WP7. We have a couple of original ideas we are working on, but we would also like to officially port a successful iPhone app or game for some additional credibility.
I've approached a couple of different iPhone app developers with this proposal:
>>Let us port your app at our expense and we split the proceeds 50/50.
>>You retain all ownership and have quality assurance approval before launch.
I have tried every phrasing I can think of to convince them I am legitimate and that I want to create an arrangement where I take on 100% of the risk, but we share equally in the reward.
So far, not even a reply.
Any ideas?
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Jason
ebook readers
I curently have an HD2 and will probable end up with a WP7 device at some point when they come out. However I'm a big ebook fan and at the moment i'm tempted to get an android phone so that I can use he Kindle app. I'm waiting to see what developers come up with for WP7.
Do you think there's a good chance of a kinde app or something like it being made for WP7?
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Steve
I think so. I think the amount of sales will be suprising, and that there will be more hardware with WP7 on it than critics give it credit for. There are alot of peopl ethat HAVE an iPhone that want out. My father just got the AT&T Galaxy S (Captivate) and loves it, diching his iPhone 3G.
I think they would be silly not to. I'd prefer a Nook app on WP7 myself, but something to start would be nice!
Brandon Watson said they were worknig with developers who already had WM apps - that means B&N for sure. MS also has an eboo reader but it's unclear if they are going to bundle it with the phone (not likely). Based on the ease of writing WP7 apps I'd suspect all of the large developers to write a WP7 app and they are permitted to have their ebook stores.
Let's hope that you guys are right and there is a strong enough uptake to make all the big players developer readers for WP7. competition is a good thing after all!
Cheers
Steve
I relay like your idea…
After all because I had nearly the same
But I would give it more features…
X Online Service for the markets where they can register the products with barcode and price
-„POI“ Database with geodata of the markets
-Markets can enter special offers
X Online „Community“ section
-Users can Post reviews and vote for products
-Users can vote for markets / stores
-Users can enter alternate products
X Private section for Users
-You can make your grocery list an search for alternate products
-You can enter an amount of saving and a distance you would go for
So the system could give you a shopping tour
Now to the Phone App
X The App can download your grocery
X You can make a Live price comparison with the barcode
-The app could give you a market / store, it would consider your amount of saving and a distance you would go for
X You can do a live vote for Products and Stores
X You can enter a grocery list
X You can search for alternate products
X The app would use the geodata and GPS
SHOP NAV!
I thought of an app years ago called shop nav.
You type in your shopping list and your phone guides you around the store in the correct route.If your in your local then you know where everything is.but how many times have you shopped in a different store one only to find everything is in a different place.You spend most of your time doubling back on your self and walking up the same flaming isle 3 times!.Supermakets are getting bigger and if an app like this was possible it would save everyone time and ease shop congestion.
I found that there are heaps of good developers for WP7,but one problem is that they seem like don't know wp7 still in an early adopting stage and they still set the price of the apps f**king expensive....
please share your experince here.
I have bought Fantasia painter 1 month ago,it was AUD$1.30,and today I checked the price of the app,it has became AUD$7.50,almost 6-folded.jeeez........Who gonna buy this app? I could buy tiny wings+angry birds+imovie on my iphone...........
another app is Tweetcaster,this app is funny...it costs us AUD$6.50...but with ad-supported...f**k...it is the price of birdsong+motweets+supertube.....
WP7 has good apps,but epic fail pricing.......
They will learn quick when nobody buys them. Eventually when there are a lot more apps, they will have more competition, and lower prices.
dtboos said:
They will learn quick when nobody buys them. Eventually when there are a lot more apps, they will have more competition, and lower prices.
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Hope so...
However, from what I saw is that they keep increase the prices...another example is motweets,it rose from AUD$1.30 to AUD$3.00...
A lot of these developers do this to keep ads out of the app & to pay for push notification services... I do see this dropping though, as apps will be able to update the tile in the background, from the app, not from a notification service.. As far as I've been told.
Well, hopefully enough people choose not to pay more than a reasonable amount. If their sales go down, they will have to lower the price. I think the post-Mango era will be better as there will be much more competition with many more dev's.
I doubt people don't pay for the apps. If the app warrants a price, I definitely don't mind paying for it, and I'm sure most users won't. XDA is just used to free & pirated things... We had this conversation in the Angry Birds thread not too long ago lol
FiyaFleye said:
I doubt people don't pay for the apps. If the app warrants a price, I definitely don't mind paying for it, and I'm sure most users won't. XDA is just used to free & pirated things... We had this conversation in the Angry Birds thread not too long ago lol
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Of course we don't mind to pay for some good apps,but now we're talking something about overpricing...plus AUD is stronger than USD now,we still paying more...
FYI
Iphone-0.99USD app is 1.19AUD in Australia
WP7-0.99USD app is 1.30AUD in Australia
apps with higher prices the gap becoming bigger...
I have something like 15+ paid for apps. But I won't pay absurd amounts, nor amounts 3x higher than the same dev's charges for the same thing on another platform.
No customers. Its a tiny market right now, price will drop as more consumers get on board and make some purchases.
High prices? You must be kidding.
are you trolling or you're bill gates' son huh??stick to the topic man.
"Good business" does not mean racing to the bottom. In fact, since the customer base of WP is small right now, alot of devs are charging higher prices. If I can sell 1 app at 2.99, as opposed to 2 @ .99, I'd rather sell for 2.99.
As the customer base expands, prices will start to drop. You should look up economies of scale... If intel was only selling 2,000 processors a year, those processors would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Since they sell so many, they achieve economies of scale and can reduce the price.
You'll see the same thing happen with Windows Phone.
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"Good business" does not mean racing to the bottom. In fact, since the customer base of WP is small right now, alot of devs are charging higher prices. If I can sell 1 app at 2.99, as opposed to 2 @ .99, I'd rather sell for 2.99.
As the customer base expands, prices will start to drop. You should look up economies of scale... If intel was only selling 2,000 processors a year, those processors would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Since they sell so many, they achieve economies of scale and can reduce the price.
You'll see the same thing happen with Windows Phone.
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Of course,I know that...before you using these scales,you have to think about the consumer behaviour.
let's talk about the fantasia painter
it is 1.30AUD 1 month ago...
and it is 7.5AUD now...
almost six folded,lets say the sales of the app was,600 in last month,now you increases your price 6 times of the original price,it does not means that your sales would be 100 now.Since the price is already over its utilities,the sales might be dropped to 20 or maybe 30...So,it is better to stay at 1.3AUD price,you have to consider the consumer incomes and market penetration.
For example,the 1st 2 months,all of your sales are come from those developed countries,and now these markets already saturated,however, you increased the price now,which is over the expected price of consumer,then your sales in those lower income countries will decrease(WP7 marketplace not just supporting 1 country now)....this move is just no difference with suicide.Furthermore,economic does not take goodwill and reputation into account,these are the loss too.
Anyway,what I want to say is that they set their price higher than the utilities of the apps or the expected value of consumers...Furthermore,apps are not necessity goods.
^ you have to remember, they have cost too. They have bills, and some want to recoup their investment
to clarify, fantasia painter is 5.99 USD, that converts to 5.60 AUD. You say it's 7.50 AUD, so you are paying 1.90 AUD more; that's equal to 2.03 USD premium for that app. Why is their an international premium, IDK, but there is. Is this different on other OS?
Why the app price went up, I can't say. They do offer a free version of Fantasia Painter. Do you have access to the free app?
We have all known since the beggining that the WP7 apps are more expensive than the same apps on other OS. That's just part of the deal right now, and as many have said, as more devices are sold, and more apps are sold, and more api's are opened, and more apps are made, the competition will undoubtedly bring the app prices more in line with the other OS apps.
So, really, you seem to be complaining about three different, but related, issues.
1. WP7 apps are more expensive - yup. sometimes they are. There are lots of threads about this.
2. Some Apps prices sometimes go up - IDK why this is, but maybe it's to cover the R&D that continues. Have you contacted the creator to ask why? There may be a very resonable explanation.
3. There is a premium for international sales - there is at least one other thread about this already. IDK why international sales have a premium, but they do provide some explanation in those threads.
Thanks for your statements,actually I do owned the paid version of fantasia painter 1or 2months ago,when it was 0.99USD,which was 1.30AUD.
Another example was tweetcaster.Luckily I downloaded it when there is a trial version available,IMO it is the fastest twitter app at the moment(faster than bird song and motweets pro I can tell).However,the price is 6.50AUD now.
These situations make me want to buy all the good apps when the prices are low,such as Supertube,it is 1.70AUD now,I think it gonna increases to a high price,but I hope it won't.
In this thread,I hope users can share their experiences and any good apps which are overpriced,just share it here.I know developers are listen to us.
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are you trolling or you're bill gates' son huh??stick to the topic man.
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No, I'm not a billionnaire. But spending 5 bucks on a good app isn't "expensive". Actually, it doesn't make much difference whether it's $5 or $.99 as far as I'm concerned. Especially if there's a decently functional trial.
I completely aggree. Some of the most pointless apps are like $5 even when there are several of the same type of app for free.
I don't know. It seems like most apps I've come across are a reasonable price.
I just released an app Catch Phrase Party for $2.99 - Now that may seem like a steep price for a non 3D RPG or something. But at the same time, when you realize the less convenient/less up to date alternative is $20 - suddenly my app seems like a decent deal.
My justification aside, I guess we will see if it sales. Maybe I'm seeing it wrong. But both as a developer and consumer, I try to keep a level head about it. I have paid $10 for an app (Geocaching) because there were no decent alternatives. But most of the time I can find a version of the app I want for free, or a good version for what is reasonable. But I do expect things to be slightly more expensive on WP than on iPhone because of the smaller customer base. The developers need to make their money for their work. I can understand that!
As I said,developer listens to us...
Today fantasia painter price dropped from 7.50AUD to 3.00AUD...
Awesome...
you wonder why so many people go and use android and iphone...
microsoft doesnt have any proper marketing strategies i mean the games are overpriced, the apps are still at a low number and there is no real freedom in this os.
dont get me wrong im a user of wp7 and i was excited by the phone but the more they release things the more disappointed i am. you arent paying for games like angry birds and plants vs zombies your basically paying ridiculous prices to use their xbl feature.
i think that if they want to break into the market they should really consider making these games free i know its unfair to the developers but think about how much more people would be interested to hear that they can get free proper games or apps.
but if you want to go and tell these developers to develop games for your os then i think they should make it free like what google did with angry birds although they paid them a butt load of money. microsoft is trying to compete with people that have been in the market for longer making these things free would surely attract more people.
well thats what i think, share your thoughts
There are lots of free apps in the marketplace already. What's your point?
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Making Angry Birds free is not going to sell handsets. Having a feature complete phone (Mango) and sales reps that are actually willing to sell Windows Phones will be what will move handsets.
Once you start working for free, let us know then we'll take your point up with Microsoft and the developers who will obviously be ecstatic to forgo any charges for their work.
my point isnt saying there isnt any free apps.. its saying maybe instead of jacking up prices so high they should focus on reasonable prices, its because its xbl integrated that they charging so high
as i said their marketing sucks.. im simply saying that if they think about what users want and how they should take android and iphone as examples.
once i start working for free?
what you on about? if they willing to spend 8bil on skype and not even integrate it on wp7 why cant they spend few hundred k on developers to bring in more apps and games...
they're learning... they can't copy apple snobbishness or androids openness... they need something new fresh, different. give them time, they'll find a niche eventually.
As I said...Microsoft marketing sucks
compared this two sites
Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/whats-next.aspx
Apple
http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/
Both coming this fall....IMO,microsoft is not working aggressive as apple does...in apple ios5 site,it has almost everything...gallery,video,features,notify me function....Microsoft one is just looks like they are not ready....
Sumunk said:
you wonder why so many people go and use android and iphone...
microsoft doesnt have any proper marketing strategies i mean the games are overpriced, the apps are still at a low number and there is no real freedom in this os.
dont get me wrong im a user of wp7 and i was excited by the phone but the more they release things the more disappointed i am. you arent paying for games like angry birds and plants vs zombies your basically paying ridiculous prices to use their xbl feature.
i think that if they want to break into the market they should really consider making these games free i know its unfair to the developers but think about how much more people would be interested to hear that they can get free proper games or apps.
but if you want to go and tell these developers to develop games for your os then i think they should make it free like what google did with angry birds although they paid them a butt load of money. microsoft is trying to compete with people that have been in the market for longer making these things free would surely attract more people.
well thats what i think, share your thoughts
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if they make games for free , they either pay the developers or screw them.
if they screw the developers no one is going to make more applications for wp7....
and really... the phones costs like 500 dollars, paying 50 dollars more for your apps is not unreasonable.....
and of course that microsoft marketing sucks compared to apple, apple is the most successful marketing company in the world. ofcourse this does not make it impossible for Microsoft to improve
I'd rather they charge $2.99 so that we have more high quality games and apps on our phones. It's not that much money...less than a burger king meal.
...you have 2 different kind of points:
a) Apps prices: This is not Microsoft's responsability. The prices are fixed by the developers of the apps. Marketplace is just the site who makes it possilbe for you to purchase them.
b) Microsoft marketing: Yes, in this respect, they are still far behind Apple. But you have to consider that Microsoft has not the same market approach like Apple.
- Apple has their own sales outlets
- Apple has a big influence regarding marketing and advertising budgets with their retail partners. Apple dictates what they have to do and what they have to spend.
- Same applies to the selected providers who sell Apple products.
Microsoft is in partnership with the device makers and the providers and depending on them. Now who is responsible for the marketing? Mircrosoft? The Makers? The Providers? Microsoft startet with a budget of 500 Mio $. But this is peanuts for a global campaign to introduce something totally new and from what I can see at least here in Europe, the Makers and the Providers are still very reluctant to invest their money in promoting WP7
Well, technically Microsoft does set the prices of XBL games, since they all are published under the "Microsoft Games Studios" banner.
As far as "free" games "screwing" developers or resulting in lower quality, remember that the most sought-after game that has just been released on WP7 is a port of a game that is already available on the other platforms at a lower price, with more levels. Oh, and according to most recent data, Rovio is earning about a million dollars a month from the ads in the free Android version. That doesn't exactly sound like they are getting "screwed" to me.
I was in long Island, NY last week listening to a rock station as I was traveling through. I heard 3 Windows Phone 7 commercals on the radio. It was on aAir plane and they discusses something about powering off phones incuding you with the new Windows Phone (and a few others got in a WOW type thing about the phone)
Same commercal 3 times, it was for the Verizon HTC Trophy (didn't think Verizon cared about it that much)
This would be the first time I heard a Radio ad, I've seen tons on TV tho...
As for the App costs, I will agree, anything over $2.99 for a mobile app or game is WAY too much. MAYBE in a rare case for a High end game (big brand name with the game to back it up) $3.99-$4.99 is acceptable, in a RARE CASE. $6.99 for Sonic is crazy, not for a game (tried the demo) that should just be a flashback game($1.99) as it plays just like the 16bit sega system did.
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...you have 2 different kind of points:
a) Apps prices: This is not Microsoft's responsability. The prices are fixed by the developers of the apps. Marketplace is just the site who makes it possilbe for you to purchase them.
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Actually I think they did. When Microsoft released the first few games (before lots of developer "good games" came in), some were at $4.99 (think ilomilo and few other of the release games) , so developers said, Microsoft can do it, why can't we ?
If they started out with new games at $1.99 or $2.99 I bet it would of set a standard because no one wanted to be that crazy over priced person that does not sell any programs. Now you see $4.99-6.99 the norm for mid line games and I still think that's nuts for a phone game (if it was xbox live on my 360 in 720p/1080p with 5.1 audio, it's different and worth that or more)
So it's okay that you spend a thousand dollars every year to use your smartphone, but omg they better not charge more than $2.99 for an app!
AT&T 450 minutes + unlimited text + 2GB data = $85 + fees and taxes (about $5) = $90 a month
$90 x 12 months = $1080 a year
And that's for the cheapest talk plan they have.
honestly some of you guys have good points and some of you dont have good points..
its not about spending how much on a contract.. thats kinda what you bought the phone for, its not about spending alot on games either its about what microsoft is trying to do, being different sometimes isnt a good thing as it leads to un-satisfied customers and thus leading to people changing back to android or iphone.
i believe they can still come out right after they listen to their customers.
reasonable prices for reasonable games.
and if you wanna say angry birds is worth it, guess again its missing the new chapters.. its only got 1 - 4.. wheres the rest.. is this the best that they could do for MS? wheres seasons and rio?
Marketing:
Yes the WP7 marketing hasn't been the best. The onslaught hasn't fully started yet though - I believe they are waiting first for year close and stronger marketing from their favorite partner... Nokia.
I expect Mango marketing will be better but they haven't quite hit stride - this is less then a year out with limited hardware... just give it some time.
App prices... yes they are high - simple fact is NUMBERS. App Devs will charge what they can get away with. WP7 want the apps and they are willing to pay the prices for them. As the device count spreads the pricing may begin to drop to attract other users who have not downloaded because of cost.
We are here at the beginning so of course we'll get hit the hardest
Microsoft marketing is horrendous. I've had 5 WinMo devices, too long complacent with the incremental changes. They had a market to themselves but had let others run away with it. The large oceanliner that is Microsoft takes so long to change heading. I was looking forward to WP7, and when it first came out at Verizon, I went to check it out. I've been to 4 VZ stores and none of them have the phone activated. NONE! I can't check out IE to browse anything. How is that supposed to sell anyone? I tried to contact Microsoft about the fact that their demo phones aren't even activated, but instead I got some rep from another country. I told him to escalate it to his manager, provided my info, but no one has gotten back to me. I went back to another VZ store and still... the demo WP7 had no service.
I'm quite upset about it, but I'm not above switching away from WinMo until Microsoft gets a clue with what to do with all the money they make.
I'm going to give calling Microsoft a final shot and see if I can get some fat exec to listen to me.
Sumunk said:
honestly some of you guys have good points and some of you dont have good points..
its not about spending how much on a contract.. thats kinda what you bought the phone for, its not about spending alot on games either its about what microsoft is trying to do, being different sometimes isnt a good thing as it leads to un-satisfied customers and thus leading to people changing back to android or iphone.
i believe they can still come out right after they listen to their customers.
reasonable prices for reasonable games.
and if you wanna say angry birds is worth it, guess again its missing the new chapters.. its only got 1 - 4.. wheres the rest.. is this the best that they could do for MS? wheres seasons and rio?
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I'm going to quote a conversation here:
I confess Instapaper is pretty interesting to me, it's just not worth $4.99 to me. I would probably buy it for $0.99. I realize that's really cheap, but Apple has really trained me that stuff should be free (or $0.99 at most).
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This attitude blows my mind.. but you aren't alone.
Any app on App Store that isn't 99 cents is littered with reviews demanding that it should be 99 cents.. even if it's only 1.99.
Really.. mind blown. It's seriously de-valuing the concept of a software application.. and making it really hard for me to believe the hype in the mobile industry.
I saw some articles even about Angry Birds profitability.. they mentioned some company investing almost $50 million in Roxio.. but they also mentioned the game hasn't even made $10 million in sales.. although it does allegedly generate $1 million a month in revenue from ads on Android... they said the most profitable part of Roxio is their toy and other item sales.
The numbers don't add up for me.. I get that the budget is small.. but it's still an industry limited by the price consumers are demanding.
ALL of App Store did $1.7 billion in 2010? And that's 350,000 apps?
That's less than $5,000 per app...
By the time Call of Duty Black Ops is a year old.. it will probably have done the same revenue that all of App Store did in 2010... it's already most likely fairly close.
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Also, this is interesting:
i.imgur.com/8bbmJ.jpg
DavidinCT said:
If they started out with new games at $1.99 or $2.99 I bet it would of set a standard because no one wanted to be that crazy over priced person that does not sell any programs. Now you see $4.99-6.99 the norm for mid line games and I still think that's nuts for a phone game (if it was xbox live on my 360 in 720p/1080p with 5.1 audio, it's different and worth that or more)
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The average price is actually $2.99 for most games (AUD3.99 here in Australia), but I'm not sure if I understand your logic. How does the platform you play the game on change it's worth?
This platfrom has a lot of potential, but MS needs to listen to its users.
App prices are not the reason it will fail. I'm sorry but as a developer my time is worth more than $0.99 Those that think otherwise have no programming experience. Sure can I make millions off of one good app that is 99 cents or free, YES, but the odds of that happening are slim with how many apps come out.
Their marketing is what will kill this platform. well that along with not listening to the needs of the users. The notification system is now going to be behind the other 2 major players and that is not good for heavy users.
They need to fix their endpoint sales. Very few sales reps are excited about the platform.
I have one friend that bought a wp7, focus I think, and he hates it. I keep saying wait for the update, but the update is missing features he wants. The sad thing is they are features that are easily to implement. missing feattures is a whole differnt thread, but he just wants the ability to group his apps kinda like the contacts can be grouped now. The letter search is not a good approach because that requires me to search by name instead of function.
I have SGS and Optimus 7.
Almost every app, that i use in android i can use in wp too.
Only problem, for now, i can't buy apps yet, but that will be fixed when marketplace opens in Finland.
Soon nothing won't keep me on android.
There is so much trash apps on android market, so it is hard to find really important apps.