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Some WP7 phones will feature a "SD card slot underneath the battery cover"

Interesting.....
Some Windows Phones have a Secure Digital (SD) card that's used to expand the amount of storage space on the phone. If your phone has one, it's in an SD card slot underneath the battery cover on the back of your phone.
Windows Phone uses a special high–performance SD card that works differently than SD cards in other devices. When your phone is built and first set up, its internal storage and SD card are combined and recognized as one storage system.
Warning
You should not remove the SD card in your phone or replace it with a new one because your Windows Phone won't work properly. Existing data on the phone may be lost, and that SD card can't be used in other devices or Windows Phones.
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Seems pretty bogus to me that they're unique to WP7 mechanically. Maybe just the file system is special? Should allow upgrading/replacing I would think.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx

RustyGrom said:
Interesting.....
Seems pretty bogus to me that they're unique to WP7 mechanically. Maybe just the file system is special? Should allow upgrading/replacing I would think.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
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yes you could but would have to re-flash your rom.

rruffman said:
yes you could but would have to re-flash your rom.
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Source? All we have is rumors but the MS page implies that it's not that easy.

I figure you might get a chance to swap the card properly before first boot, i.e. right after unboxing.
--edit: On the other hand, might these be those new SD cards with additional contacts to allow very highspeed IO. (new UHS-I standard)

Tom Servo said:
I figure you might get a chance to swap the card properly before first boot, i.e. right after unboxing.
--edit: On the other hand, might these be those new SD cards with additional contacts to allow very highspeed IO. (new UHS-I standard)
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yes they are so if you get your hands on one then you are correct before boot 1st time or if you reflash your phone. i read it on a few blogs awhile back will have to find it again and repost it here...

RustyGrom said:
Interesting.....
Seems pretty bogus to me that they're unique to WP7 mechanically. Maybe just the file system is special? Should allow upgrading/replacing I would think.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
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The cards themselves might not be that special other than having a correct SN range or something. The Barnes and Noble NOOK which runs android does this. The main on board memory is a microsd card that you can actually pull if you rip your nook apart, but it wont accept other microsd's even if they were cloned from the original card.

julienrl said:
The cards themselves might not be that special other than having a correct SN range or something. The Barnes and Noble NOOK which runs android does this. The main on board memory is a microsd card that you can actually pull if you rip your nook apart, but it wont accept other microsd's even if they were cloned from the original card.
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Interesting. Thanks. I guess the difference here is that WP7 is made by a bunch of different people so it would be harder to code in this sort of restriction.

Just saw this in an article about the Samsung Focus...
It's also the only Windows Phone that can expand with memory cards, according to an AT&T spokesman.
All the new Windows Phone 7's work similarly, as they're all based on Qualcomm's 1-GHz QSD8250 chipset with very similar hardware stats, including HSDPA 7.2, Wi-Fi, and a 5-megapixel camera. The Focus has 8GB of memory built in, but an AT&T spokesman at the launch said a MicroSD card up to 32GB could be added, provided you factory reset the phone when you do. If that's true, the Focus can expand up to 40GB.
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2370586,00.asp

Pocketnow is concurring that WP7 supports upgrading the card.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-does-support-removable-storage-proof

I have a request.
ANYONE who is lucky enogh to get their hands on a WP7 device. If possible, check if there is a memory card uner the battery.
I do not understand what the **** MS is doing. Currently there's only one phone on the market with more than 8GB storage, and this will be rare, hard to get because I don't think I'm the only one that want one.

Sir. Haxalot said:
I have a request.
ANYONE who is lucky enogh to get their hands on a WP7 device. If possible, check if there is a memory card uner the battery.
I do not understand what the **** MS is doing. Currently there's only one phone on the market with more than 8GB storage, and this will be rare, hard to get because I don't think I'm the only one that want one.
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Blame it on the hardware vendor. MS state that the min is 8GB, so they all quickly built phones with 8GB naturally. There's no stopping them from building a 16 or 32GB. They should have figured out we'd spend a few more dollars to get those extra storage

Wandy_1974 said:
Blame it on the hardware vendor. MS state that the min is 8GB, so they all quickly built phones with 8GB naturally. There's no stopping them from building a 16 or 32GB. They should have figured out we'd spend a few more dollars to get those extra storage
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This is true, I am in love with what Microsoft have made, but they have been let down badly by the hardware manufacturers. I really hope there is options for more storage ie like the iphone when they go on sale and the 8gb models where just used for showing of the handsets. One bit of hope for this is that the storage capacity is not shown on the wp7 websites handset specs. I would kill for a 16/32gb mozart or omnia 7.

lumpaywk said:
This is true, I am in love with what Microsoft have made, but they have been let down badly by the hardware manufacturers. I really hope there is options for more storage ie like the iphone when they go on sale and the 8gb models where just used for showing of the handsets. One bit of hope for this is that the storage capacity is not shown on the wp7 websites handset specs. I would kill for a 16/32gb mozart or omnia 7.
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I want 16GB min but hoping to have the option for 32GB +. Hope they wake up soon as I love the look of winm7.
But without better storage, I will not be upgrading anytime soon.

Wandy_1974 said:
Blame it on the hardware vendor. MS state that the min is 8GB, so they all quickly built phones with 8GB naturally.
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Well, since this isn't surprising anyone then I think MS could have expected it. And I will still blame them because they didn't make 16GB the minimum.

lumpaywk said:
This is true, I am in love with what Microsoft have made, but they have been let down badly by the hardware manufacturers. I really hope there is options for more storage ie like the iphone when they go on sale and the 8gb models where just used for showing of the handsets. One bit of hope for this is that the storage capacity is not shown on the wp7 websites handset specs. I would kill for a 16/32gb mozart or omnia 7.
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the SAMSUNG FOCUS is currently the only phone that will allow for upgrading the storage you can simply insert your 32 gb sd card before youfirst start you phone on 40gb it is... or insert it at a later time and hard reset and you are good to go...

i would thus jump on the focus but alas i live in england and so we get the rubbish. It seems they are holding all the good handsets for the USA (by good i mean with more than 8gb storage). This is a real kick in the balls as i was hoping i wouldn't need to replace my stolen zune hd as i was going to get a wp7 but it would seem this will actually still have to be the case.
Saying this i did have a little hope with "the device can be picked up in 8GB and 16GB capacities." from http://www.mobiletor.com/2010/10/12/samsung-makes-a-mark-with-new-omnia-7-smartphone/ though tbh i once again don't think this will be the case in the uk.

16GB as a minimum sounds a little high. I am not sure who is really to blame for this storage fiasco, but how can they expect the multimedia users to work with only 8GB storage? And when I say they I mean phone makers and MS.
But an intriguing question would be why does one handset allow the removable storage to be upgraded and not the others?

So my question is about the type/class SD card that we can use to upgrade the Focus. I can only find an SDXC USH-I 64GB card for over $300. If the phone is using some kind of Raid 0 storage implementation, does it require a memory card that costs almost 50% more than the phone will cost?
What kind of SD card will the Focus require?

lavike said:
So my question is about the type/class SD card that we can use to upgrade the Focus. I can only find an SDXC USH-I 64GB card for over $300. If the phone is using some kind of Raid 0 storage implementation, does it require a memory card that costs almost 50% more than the phone will cost?
What kind of SD card will the Focus require?
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microsoft did say something about "high speed" cards but did not give what they were.. however the focus will only support up to 32gb not sure why..

Sir. Haxalot said:
I have a request.
ANYONE who is lucky enogh to get their hands on a WP7 device. If possible, check if there is a memory card uner the battery.
I do not understand what the **** MS is doing. Currently there's only one phone on the market with more than 8GB storage, and this will be rare, hard to get because I don't think I'm the only one that want one.
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there are multiple phones with more than 8GB of storage on the market
Several Nokia N series have 32GB of storage N97 and N900 for example and both have the ability to add up to 32GB more

omnia7 storage

I don't know if anyone has any knowledge about this but the official omnia7 website states 8/16gb. Does this mean we will get a choice like the iPhone or is this them just saying guess what America is getting more like HTC have done.

Omnia7 won't be released in the US.

I didn't realize this, thats good i guess limits this possibility though there is still the Asian market but lets hope. 16gb isn't a great deal but its enough for me where as 8 would mean a lot of sacrifice.

Tom Servo said:
Omnia7 won't be released in the US.
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The Omnia 7 is the equivalent of the Samsung Focus which is going to be released in the US. Like many phones, they have different names in different countries. Anyway, in the US it will be sold with 8GB and will be upgradeable to an additional 32GB for a total of 40GB by the user. The internal memory is upgradeable but not removeable and will require a hard reset after the change is made. This is due to the way that the OS will use the additional memory and write files spanning the entire volume.

The question is, will the EU version, a.k.a Omnia 7 be upgradeable aswell?
It would make sense if the upgrading works like spanning devices, you can add drives but you can't remove them.

I don't think it will have the card slot like the focus but the 2 specs seem odd to me. I really hope you can chose to have a larger capacity this is the only thing holding this phone back.

lumpaywk said:
I don't think it will have the card slot like the focus but the 2 specs seem odd to me. I really hope you can chose to have a larger capacity this is the only thing holding this phone back.
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yes, em 2, and maybe the price, but yeah, we still don't know it ;D

The Omnia 7 won't have upgradeable memory. And the 8GB version is available for preorder for £500 in UK. They simply lost their minds.

^ please tell me you're joking.

I really fear that martoto isn't joking.
And the website http://www.omnia7.samsungmobile.com/ doesn't say anything about MicroSD...

martoto said:
The Omnia 7 won't have upgradeable memory. And the 8GB version is available for preorder for £500 in UK. They simply lost their minds.
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Omnia 7 appears to be upgradeable according to these UK specs.
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/12/windows_mobile_7_what_and_where/

According to engadget the omnia 7 doesn't have microSD slot : http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/

From what I have read and its been a lot, I think there is no SD card slot but there is more than likly 2 versions one 8gb and one 16gb

It's really easy for these companies to ship versions with varrying amounts of memory. The software stays the same and the hardware stays the same except a higher density flash chip.

Paolo01 said:
Omnia 7 appears to be upgradeable according to these UK specs.
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/12/windows_mobile_7_what_and_where/
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TheBexFr said:
According to engadget the omnia 7 doesn't have microSD slot : http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
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The first link says 8GB internal with an MicroSD for expansion. Egadget says 8GB internal and they do niether confirm nor deny the MicroSD.
The question is, will it be possible to add a SD card afterwards? It shouldn't be any problem, as long as the filesystem supports it.

I don't know about specs sheets accurancy from quoted sources, but I prefer to believe on my eyes. Simply, I can't see any memory extension slot:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/samsung-i8700-omnia-7/phone/gsmarena_026.jpg
And here is the preorder price from clove, a nice number of £500:
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-omnia-7-gt-i8700
I can live with 8GB + Microsoft's cloud service, however this price is a great dissapointment IMHO. It does not correspond to the actuall hardware and software for that device.

martoto said:
I don't know about specs sheets accurancy from quoted sources, but I prefer to believe on my eyes. Simply, I can't see any memory extension slot:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/samsung-i8700-omnia-7/phone/gsmarena_026.jpg
And here is the preorder price from clove, a nice number of £500:
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-omnia-7-gt-i8700
I can live with 8GB + Microsoft's cloud service, however this price is a great dissapointment IMHO. It does not correspond to the actuall hardware and software for that device.
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look at the far right of the sim card slot just above the battery pins...there is another slot...looks like it might be micro sd...

It's a pictogram for the SIM card. There's no slot there.
Also, the placement of the camera sensor alone shows that it's a different board from the Focus.

I have just talked to tmobile who have the omnia 7 up for pre order and they only know of the 8gb version. It is also about £200 more expensive when compared to the same deal orange have for the mozart. I'm not being funny here am i in thinking is .32 and samoled screen worth £200 more?

Size Confusion
Hi,
I notice that Samsung's site shows the Omnia 7 as coming in both 8Gb and 16Gb capacities. Go to omnia7.samsungmobile.com and click on Specifications link at the bottom of the page. To add confusion though, the Press Kit downloadable from the Media section shows 8Gb only.
In the UK I'm currently on O2 and would like to stay on that network purely because I get to skip queues at O2 venues for gigs. It certainly came in handy at Ozzfest. microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-gb/buy/7/phones.aspx#filter=40 shows that O2 are going to offer the Omnia 7 too - does anybody know if this is correct? I know O2 are beefing up the HD7 in Europe to the 16Gb model so perhaps they're doing the same with the Omnia 7?
It surprises me that T-Mobile are 8Gb-only since the Omnia 7 is Europe-only. Does anyone know if anyone else has confirmed the 16Gb version?
Off-topic: Does anyone know if Orange are selling the phone SIM-free and the cost? £500 from Clover seems rather expensive o_0
I'm going to head to a few stores tonight on the way home and if I find out anything I'll post back.

MicroSD card support when Windows 7 was being developed

Forgive me if this had been discussed before, but does anyone have any idea why Microsoft would program an OS that supposedly was built from the ground up to NOT support external MicroSD cards? It would seem that in this day and age that it would have been in the top 5 list of "had to be included." Instead they gave the manufacturers their specs for 8GB of internal RAM and that was it. What in the world was Microsoft thinking?
I'm actually happy that Samsung said "screw that" and made a MicroSD slot that was user accessible. That basically forced Microsoft to rethink their strategy, especially after the first patch "fiasco."
Does anyone here have any inside information as to why the MicroSD card wasn't on their list of "must have" for Windows 7? Do you think they were trying to pull an Apple strategy where they can sell an 8GB phone, a 16GB phone, and a 32GB phone to try to make more money?

MicroSD cards ARE supported by WP7, in fact all but a few WP7 devices have them.
What you are looking for is called "removable" & "user-accessible"/"upgradeable" storage.

Scrtcwlvl said:
MicroSD cards ARE supported by WP7, in fact all but a few WP7 devices have them.
What you are looking for is called "removable" & "user-accessible"/"upgradeable" storage.
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well all the HTC ones use microSD, as well as the DELL Venue Pro, where as all LG phones use NAND, and Samsung uses NAND (with the exception of focus offering an external microSD slot).
The main reason why MS didn't want it exposed is because of the way it uses the microSD card. The use of it in an actual secured RAID 0 format means that it makes the card unusable by any other means making the data secure on the chip. And they knew that people would complain so they didn't want the OEMs to offer it as a user accessible slot, but they didn't enforce it. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing though.

The Gate Keeper said:
And they knew that people would complain so they didn't want the OEMs to offer it as a user accessible slot, but they didn't enforce it. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing though.
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I guess now that the genie is out of be bottle it appears that Microsoft will now need to address this dilemma. It appears that people are okay with the idea that once the microSD card is used by a WP7 phone that it can't be reused in something else. I know I'm okay with it if the phone is functional with more space to save music, videos, games, etc. I currently have a 8GB card in my phone, but what I really wanted was a 32GB card but after hearing how unstable it was I held back. It was the inability to use the 32GB card that made me ask the original question.

nathantw said:
I guess now that the genie is out of be bottle it appears that Microsoft will now need to address this dilemma. It appears that people are okay with the idea that once the microSD card is used by a WP7 phone that it can't be reused in something else. I know I'm okay with it if the phone is functional with more space to save music, videos, games, etc. I currently have a 8GB card in my phone, but what I really wanted was a 32GB card but after hearing how unstable it was I held back. It was the inability to use the 32GB card that made me ask the original question.
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Samsung Focus' implementation of SD is flawed either in hardware level or software level or both. There is no problem using any size or type of SD cards in any other WP7 phones not made by Samsung. MicroSD cards have been around for very long time. There is really no reason for a phone, especially one that is designed to take user removeable SD card, to not support all kinds of cards.
Now you have Samsung Focus not only doesn't support majority of SD cards out there but also refuses to accept updates from Micrsoft. It sounds like Samsung has a hatrate against WP7

I think MS saw the problems that Android had with removable storage and decided to require a minimum of 8gb and do away with any sort of removable storage. This makes the OS more stable as a whole.

i think MS did not want ppl to load android on WP7 dvice thats why they did this to the memory card...

They're trying to stop piracy, there's many Android sites out there on the internet that'll give you APKs of premium android apps that have been ripped off people's memory cards and uploaded.
It doesn't help that with Android you have 24 hours to request a refund and therefore can buy, rip from memory card and refund.
It may seem bad to you but from a developer point of view it's awesome. And before anyone goes on about encryption etc, people will find a way to hack through that they always do.

brummiesteven said:
It doesn't help that with Android you have 24 hours to request a refund and therefore can buy, rip from memory card and refund.
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i believe this is now only 15 minutes, which a lot of people think is a bit too short of a time frame as well. this is why the setup MS did was quite smart, offering the capabilities for devs to implement a trial mode within their full app.

^ care to check facts first. 24 hours?
..........edit .... gate keeper beat me to it.
You can also say the same for IOS, and WebOS. Piracy will come, there is no stopping it.

The Gate Keeper said:
i believe this is now only 15 minutes, which a lot of people think is a bit too short of a time frame as well. this is why the setup MS did was quite smart, offering the capabilities for devs to implement a trial mode within their full app.
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which is still enough time to rip the apk and still get a refund.
And as I sit here being frustrated that more devs are going to an ad supported model, I think I have found the reason why....

yea it is enough time to perform that. but to a general user 15 minutes isn't enough time to see if the app was worth the purchase.
the market place needs better search capabilities for trial apps, that's all. once they are there, then more people will start using the trial apps and if they deem it worth it they would buy it.

Windows Phone 7 official microSD cards!

Hey guys, check it out!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/15/windows-phone-7-certified-microsd-cards-emerge-at-atandt-stores/

Too expensive and we knew a long time ago that the 8gb card from SanDisk was stable. I am getting ready to begin my own tests on cards to find a larger card that will be completely reliable. The target write speeds were posted on a tweet from Mix11 so now we know what to look for. Its sad the markup on this card.
Thanks for the post though
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TOA Duck said:
Too expensive and we knew a long time ago that the 8gb card from SanDisk was stable. I am getting ready to begin my own tests on cards to find a larger card that will be completely reliable. The target write speeds were posted on a tweet from Mix11 so now we know what to look for. Its sad the markup on this card.
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Yeah they're a little too expensive for what you're getting, but its still nice to see Microsoft make good on their promise to make approved cards available.
Also could you post those target read/write speeds?

I don't particularly get this. 8GB? Isn't that the size we have anyway?
Or, is the idea for devices which have on-board memory (Omnia?) this could be an additional storage? Or is it simply, look we're bringing out official cards and soon they'll be 16GB, 32GB and 64GB?
Casey

Casey_boy said:
I don't particularly get this. 8GB? Isn't that the size we have anyway?
Or, is the idea for devices which have on-board memory (Omnia?) this could be an additional storage? Or is it simply, look we're bringing out official cards and soon they'll be 16GB, 32GB and 64GB?
Casey
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this is mostly for us Focus users, we have a card slot.

TOA Duck said:
Too expensive and we knew a long time ago that the 8gb card from SanDisk was stable. I am getting ready to begin my own tests on cards to find a larger card that will be completely reliable. The target write speeds were posted on a tweet from Mix11 so now we know what to look for. Its sad the markup on this card.
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One can't help but wonder, though, whether the use of this card, being certified, would be in compliance with the phone's warranty, where other cards would void it (in the event of a bricked phone).
Also, there could be increased quality standards applied to these cards, to confirm that they meet the necessary write speeds. Other cards that don't meet the requirement could still be sold, just not certified. So it could still be a gamble to use another card.

RoboDad said:
One can't help but wonder, though, whether the use of this card, being certified, would be in compliance with the phone's warranty, where other cards would void it (in the event of a bricked phone).
Also, there could be increased quality standards applied to these cards, to confirm that they meet the necessary write speeds. Other cards that don't meet the requirement could still be sold, just not certified. So it could still be a gamble to use another card.
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Necessary write speeds are.......well.........necessary write speeds. That's why they are certified because....well.....they meet the necessary write speeds . Nothing else needed.
As far as warranty....chances are its not gonna brick your card....plus most of us have done enough modding, hacking, cracking, fenagling, to already void our warranty. Lol
And here is the link to those target speeds.
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20...ry-and-agents-tidbits/?utm_source=twitterfeed
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I meant to say "brick your phone" not card.
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ATT users rejoice
btw ATT users rejoice (update 19 April)
http://www.winrumors.com/exclusive-att-windows-phone-7-nodo-update-due-april-19

TOA Duck said:
Necessary write speeds are.......well.........necessary write speeds. That's why they are certified because....well.....they meet the necessary write speeds . Nothing else needed.
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I think you somehow misread my post.
What I said was that the certified cards are certified because they meet the necessary write speed requirements (which is what you just wrote, as if to correct me).
But, other batches of cards that don't meet the write speed requirement could still be sold by SanDisk, and on the outside they would look just like the certified cards (but they would not have the Windows Phone logo on the packaging).
If someone were to use one of those other cards, assuming it was just as good as the certified ones, they could have problems.

TOA Duck said:
Necessary write speeds are.......well.........necessary write speeds. That's why they are certified because....well.....they meet the necessary write speeds . Nothing else needed.
As far as warranty....chances are its not gonna brick your card....plus most of us have done enough modding, hacking, cracking, fenagling, to already void our warranty. Lol
And here is the link to those target speeds.
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20...ry-and-agents-tidbits/?utm_source=twitterfeed
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Wrong. R/W speeds were never the issue with SD Card Compatibility. You could get a Class 10 card and it'll still fail. It depends on how well the card performs with Random Access operations because of the way WP7 spans the storage system across multiple volumes.
And ensuring the random access performance of the card works well is harder the larger the card is, which probably has something to do with why most phones are 8 or 16GB. NAND storage would have the same issue if the RA performance wasn't up to par.
The R/W speeds were never a big issue. A class 2 card with decent RA performance can work just fine. They just needed to have certified cards so that people knew the cards would work.
But, all the current phones with SD cards make you void your warranty to use one. I wonder how they will handle this should anything happen...
It's much easier to undo hacking, fanangling, cracking, whatever than it is to replace an OEM warranty sticker that you had to remove/break to put the card in...

N8ter said:
Wrong. R/W speeds were never the issue with SD Card Compatibility. You could get a Class 10 card and it'll still fail. It depends on how well the card performs with Random Access operations because of the way WP7 spans the storage system across multiple volumes.
And ensuring the random access performance of the card works well is harder the larger the card is, which probably has something to do with why most phones are 8 or 16GB. NAND storage would have the same issue if the RA performance wasn't up to par.
The R/W speeds were never a big issue. A class 2 card with decent RA performance can work just fine. They just needed to have certified cards so that people knew the cards would work.
But, all the current phones with SD cards make you void your warranty to use one. I wonder how they will handle this should anything happen...
It's much easier to undo hacking, fanangling, cracking, whatever than it is to replace an OEM warranty sticker that you had to remove/break to put the card in...
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All of that you just said is what I meant. You just explained it better.
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N8ter said:
But, all the current phones with SD cards make you void your warranty to use one. I wonder how they will handle this should anything happen...
It's much easier to undo hacking, fanangling, cracking, whatever than it is to replace an OEM warranty sticker that you had to remove/break to put the card in...
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AFAIK, you don't void your Warranty on the Samsung Focus if you put a card in it. I even had problems with my first one with a card in it and AT&T replaced the phone no questions asked.

That's nice but Microsoft never should have allowed OEMs to release 8GB phones, anyways. Storage is way too cheap to have anything less than 16. There's a reason why Apple discontinued 8GB models of the iPhone/iTouch. They were a waste and in many cases users ended up scratching their heads because 8GB simply ins't a lot of storage.
Those cards are super expensive, anyways.
The only thing that would make me buy an 8GB phone + card is the fact that manufacturers charge like $50-100 to go from 8 to 15 or 16 to 32 GB, which is highway robbery...

[Q] Galaxy Note 8 32GB

Any idea or news on when the 32 GB Note 8 is to be released in the US? Cannot find news anywhere even though they announced as if its being released as well.

I asked this question in the Samsung store in the UK to which I was told that they only intend in stocking the 16gb version in the short term as they deemed it the most cost effective option given that it has expandable memory with the microSD card slot.
I told them that this was of no use to me as I know how quickly I can fill 16bg with apps that cant be transferred to external storage...

I'd say this, rather than the screen resolution, is the weakest part of this and other tablets - a lot of manufacturers are still using 2011 vintage memory allocations on 2013 devices.
My workaround is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2244428 but it's a compromise solution. It does deal with the issue of what's actually available to put my mitts on, but I realize I may well be unloading this tablet as early as August once the new Nexus is available.

The only compromise I have found so far is to wait . . . for Expansys-USA to get the 32GB WiFi & 32GB WIFi + 3G version in (links below) sadly they do not have an eta or pricing yet. These are realy 32GB devices as I did ask that question and not 16GB + 16GB microSD cards as some creative sellers are trying to pawn off.
http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-0-32gb-wifi-android-tablet-247125/
http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-0-32gb-wifi-3g-tablet-247127/
What I find insulting from Samsung and these retailers is claiming the 16GB is even suitable when clearly its not with today's app sizes and how little storage you actually get 9.87GB. Samsung should be really focused on making a 32GB version more price competitive and taking Apple on with a 32GB + 64GB microSD slot capable 8" Tablet.

If a black or grey 32GB Galaxy Note 8.0 was available on launch, I would have purchased it.
It wasn't. I didn't.
More and more it looks like I will be going with the next Nexus 7 (hoping it is 7.7")

Vincent Vegas said:
If a black or grey 32GB Galaxy Note 8.0 was available on launch, I would have purchased it.
It wasn't. I didn't.
More and more it looks like I will be going with the next Nexus 7 (hoping it is 7.7")
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I would still favor the Note 8 32GB,
1. for the stylus
2. microSD
Galaxy S4 ?? or HTC ONE or Xperia Z is still a big question....
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I don't get why Samsung keeps jerking the US market around with 16GB devices that have less than 10GB of actual space available. They know damn well you can't put apps on the SD cards anymore and yet they continue to act like this is 2010 with the memory. Memory is cheap, its so cheap and they could charge $50 more for 32GB or just sell a 32GB version and sell more, more, more. I am watching Expansys-USA for the 32GB GN 8.0 but honestly I wonder IF they will actually get them.

RaptorMD said:
I don't get why Samsung keeps jerking the US market around with 16GB devices that have less than 10GB of actual space available. They know damn well you can't put apps on the SD cards anymore and yet they continue to act like this is 2010 with the memory. Memory is cheap, its so cheap and they could charge $50 more for 32GB or just sell a 32GB version and sell more, more, more. I am watching Expansys-USA for the 32GB GN 8.0 but honestly I wonder IF they will actually get them.
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thats because they are not trying to sell us (customers) a good product, but to drive out apples market share. The Note 8.0 is priced and featured very close to the iPad mini, with just a slight edge, so that they can make the most of it. FYI look in other markets its the same...
I hope they come out of this and start developing products for the customers (like apple does) and take the lead...
After watching most of the the Steve Jobs Interviews and talks, one statement he made stands out to me...
"we make devices which we can give to our friends and family" that sentence itself has a lot of deep meaning... hopefully someone will
understand it and get on with it...
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I doubt if we ever see a 32gb version in the States, either WiFi only or 3G, unless it is a Verizon- or carrier-branded model so they can fill it up with more bloat, LOL.
I waited forever for a 32GB version of the Int'l N7100 Note II, and even though it was stated in the original product announcement, AFAIK it was never released. Does anybody here actually have one???
Korea's sole version is a 64GB LTE model, but those bands don't work in the U.S. or any other market that I know of. Every "32GB" version of the Note II that I could find ended up being the "16GB + 16GB mSD" from shifty sellers.
And what do you think Samsung's actual cost is for an extra 16GB (a 32GB chip)? 50¢? Certainly no more than $5.
This is really a pet peeve of mine with Samsung. I keep hoping that they will emulate Apple with their product announcements. With Apple, at least you know straight away at the product announcement/keynotes EXACTLY what models will be released including the COST, and WHEN, and WHERE.
ARE YOU LISTENING, SAMSUNG? I really don't want to buy any more Apple products, but HONESTLY, would you blame me?
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I bought 16gb version last Saturday but yesterday found some stuck pixels. Didn't hesitate to call Samsung after sales support and they asked to take it back and in fact nobody cared to check too much if my claims were right. Odin counter had some marks also and the device was not running the original stock FW. Took my money back and now will get 32gb version later this week hopefully

xiaotuo said:
I bought 16gb version last Saturday but yesterday found some stuck pixels. Didn't hesitate to call Samsung after sales support and they asked to take it back and in fact nobody cared to check too much if my claims were right. Odin counter had some marks also and the device was not running the original stock FW. Took my money back and now will get 32gb version later this week hopefully
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All things are pointing towards a Note 8 in 32gb form not ever being released. Even countries that are advertising the 32gb, don't really mention how much it costs or if it's truly available. I really wish they would've released a 32, as I would've paid the difference to get the higher memory version.
I ended up purchasing a Note 8 yesterday. I had been holding out, but couldn't stand waiting any longer. First one I bought was an open box and had dead pixels and light leak. I paid the difference and just got a new one today. So far so good, but we'll see if no light leak holds true through my 15 day return period.

drexappeal said:
All things are pointing towards a Note 8 in 32gb form not ever being released. Even countries that are advertising the 32gb, don't really mention how much it costs or if it's truly available. I really wish they would've released a 32, as I would've paid the difference to get the higher memory version.
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I really hope that isnt the case. I've been following this device for a few months now. It was meant to be me one device to rule them all! With out the ability to store more than a few games though I will still have to take a seperate gaming device for my entertainment, at which point I ask, what it the point of me forking out the extra money? Its already a premium device (vs the NEXUS at least anyway) why would they not want to make it the best it could be with a minor addition of extra storage?
If I'm going to have to carry more than one device, I might as well just get a cheap gaming tablet that will cover most of my other requirements as well and a paper notepad. Far cheaper, and i wont have to worry about the battery life running out for the notes that I need to take.
I really want the 32GB though and will import one from anywhere in the world if I find somewhere that is stocking it.

hertsjoatmon said:
I really hope that isnt the case. I've been following this device for a few months now. It was meant to be me one device to rule them all! With out the ability to store more than a few games though I will still have to take a seperate gaming device for my entertainment, at which point I ask, what it the point of me forking out the extra money? Its already a premium device (vs the NEXUS at least anyway) why would they not want to make it the best it could be with a minor addition of extra storage?
If I'm going to have to carry more than one device, I might as well just get a cheap gaming tablet that will cover most of my other requirements as well and a paper notepad. Far cheaper, and i wont have to worry about the battery life running out for the notes that I need to take.
I really want the 32GB though and will import one from anywhere in the world if I find somewhere that is stocking it.
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Believe me, I'd been holding out also. If they do end up offering the 32, that means my current Note 8 goes on sale...lol.
Posted from my G-Note II.

hertsjoatmon said:
I really hope that isnt the case. I've been following this device for a few months now. It was meant to be me one device to rule them all! With out the ability to store more than a few games though I will still have to take a seperate gaming device for my entertainment, at which point I ask, what it the point of me forking out the extra money? Its already a premium device (vs the NEXUS at least anyway) why would they not want to make it the best it could be with a minor addition of extra storage?
If I'm going to have to carry more than one device, I might as well just get a cheap gaming tablet that will cover most of my other requirements as well and a paper notepad. Far cheaper, and i wont have to worry about the battery life running out for the notes that I need to take.
I really want the 32GB though and will import one from anywhere in the world if I find somewhere that is stocking it.
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I also had my heart set on the 32gb... but as I've been obsessively following this device since the first rumour images were leaked... I just couldn't handle waiting any longer.
I ended up getting the 3G model, and then spent a considerable sum of money on a SanDisk UHS Ultra class10 64gb MicroSD card... which I then followed this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2276193
to make my device believe the MicroSD was infact my internal memory - allowing me to install apps + games to my hearts content.
So while I bought a GNote 16GB 3G + MicroSD slot.
I now have:
A GNote 64GB 3G + Spare 9.87GB storage partition (instead of an available MicroSD slot). :laugh:
If you are concerned about the loss of use of the MicroSD slot, then simply get a yourself a Micro-USB OTG to USB adaptor like this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FUNYSA/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AMRKIIKW22PW7
which you will then be able to plug in any usb peripheral, from flash drives, ext. Hard Drives, to usb card readers.

FaeMinx said:
I also had my heart set on the 32gb... but as I've been obsessively following this device since the first rumour images were leaked... I just couldn't handle waiting any longer.
I ended up getting the 3G model, and then spent a considerable sum of money on a SanDisk UHS Ultra class10 64gb MicroSD card... which I then followed this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2276193
to make my device believe the MicroSD was infact my internal memory - allowing me to install apps + games to my hearts content.
So while I bought a GNote 16GB 3G + MicroSD slot.
I now have:
A GNote 64GB 3G + Spare 9.87GB storage partition (instead of an available MicroSD slot). :laugh:
If you are concerned about the loss of use of the MicroSD slot, then simply get a yourself a Micro-USB OTG to USB adaptor like this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FUNYSA/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AMRKIIKW22PW7
which you will then be able to plug in any usb peripheral, from flash drives, ext. Hard Drives, to usb card readers.
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I dont think I will go full blown MicroDS slot use as my internal memory as I like to use MicroSD on many of my devices too much and dont want to lose the ability to be able to pop it out and stick another one in with out having to carry additional peripherals with me. I like to take photographs and shoot in RAW (not that that really makes any difference). While using a cameras screen for previews is OK, id like to be able to pop my micrSD card into my tablet to get a better view of my photos and help me cull the missed shots while im out and about rather than wait until I get home. When shooting at 10 frames per second, you end up with alot of unwanted shots, but its worth it to get that one perfect one!
I've commented and started various threads about the 32GB availability and options for expanding the 16gb memory and think that my solition will be to use FolderMount to move all the data files to the external SD while still keeping the apk files on the internal device.
http://geeknizer.com/link-map-move-internal-sdcard-app-folders-to-external/
That should solve my problem of available space for apps and still allow me to use multiple sd cards (when not using the apps that have their data files on the microSD).
I will try FolderMount on my Transformer over the next few days to see if it does what I hope before going to the Samsung store in Stratford this weekend to pick up my Note (providing I have the funds to do so by then).

hertsjoatmon said:
I will try FolderMount on my Transformer over the next few days to see if it does what I hope before going to the Samsung store in Stratford this weekend to pick up my Note (providing I have the funds to do so by then).
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Tried FolderMount. It wouldnt work
My TF101 is rooted with TEAMEOS4 ROM and KAT Kernel. I get an error message of Illegal Instruction when I try to select a folder.
Hope that wont be the case on the Note 8.0

Sorry to hear that for your sake.
Perhaps start another thread focusing on FolderMount... See if anyone here has given it a go.
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Just for your interests sake, seeing as you want to make comics... I found this app last night and had a bit of a play with it. It's actually pretty good. My only wish is there were a few more panel templates... but for getting started, it's probably the easiest and fastest way to compose and format your comics.
You *will* have to generate the panel graphics yourself in another program, but once youve done that, it's a piece of pie adding speach/thought balloons and composing your graphics the way you want.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roundwoodstudios.comicstripitpro&hl=en
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FaeMinx said:
Sorry to hear that for your sake.
Perhaps start another thread focusing on FolderMount... See if anyone here has given it a go.
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Just for your interests sake, seeing as you want to make comics... I found this app last night and had a bit of a play with it. It's actually pretty good. My only wish is there were a few more panel templates... but for getting started, it's probably the easiest and fastest way to compose and format your comics.
You *will* have to generate the panel graphics yourself in another program, but once youve done that, it's a piece of pie adding speach/thought balloons and composing your graphics the way you want.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roundwoodstudios.comicstripitpro&hl=en
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Thanks and Thanks.
Found a thread in a different forum that I added to about FolderMount and raised the issue in the TEAMEOS Rom thread as well.
That app looks interesting. Seemed to think there was something like that that came with the note as standard. At least it was on the demo unit I played with at the Samsung store...

Simple. Marketing extortion.
Really, you'll see all the vendors playing the same games with minimum memory onboard these days. Memory is after all cheap, so why not offer higher memory versions? Well, it starts with the cellular providers and their marketing plans. The cellular providers, like AT&T and Verizon, will not order or sell any devices with gobs of memory on them. Even if they are available on the global market, the US carriers won't offer them at all.
This is simply clever marketing (or marketing extortion, depending on your point of view) which is designed to force the customer into using "the cloud" for memory and storage. And that benefits the carriers because they charge by the byyte for the data you have to transmit. Clever, isn't it? So they refuse to order the devices with larger memory, and they discourage the vendors from offering them at all. And set a discouraging premium price on the higher memory models because, after all, you can always buy the cheap one and use the cloud.
Ah, but the Note isn't a cellular device, it uses WiFi...So what? The policy is applied across all devices. After all, you wouldn't want customers to notice a difference in devices would you? And if the customer has to use more Wifi data transfer, guess what? More cable companies are looking to charge by usage, and all the carriers are trying to upsell higher speed data transfer. So again, lots of people make more money when they all quietly agree to sell devices with the least tolerable amount of memory.
Why should I need an iPod, when my phone or tablet could carry a hundred gigs of music? Oh, wait, because my carrier would rather charge me for the byte to keep that stored in the cloud, and charge me again every time I accessed it. This is the same logic they use when FM radios are disabled or removed from US versions of cell phones, that receive FM radio for free, instead of subscribing to internet radio in the US.
The big vendors aren't interest in what you want, unless it makes money for them. So if they can force you into spending more and getting less...Yeah, it really is that simple. a 64GB tablet could sell for $50 more than an 8GB tablet. But you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone bold enough to sell it that way.