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gmail IMAP versus PUSH?

hey guys,
so this gmail implementing free imap has really caused some stir evidently.
my question is this. what should i use? which one's better?
right now what happens is my gmail account forwards all email to my exchange server, hosted on my home PC. my phone then syncs with exchange using push, and more often than not i get email on my phone before it arrives on my desktop (which downloads mail from gmail using POP).
i use thunderbird on my laptop, and only access email from this one client. my phone uses exhange, as i mentioned, so its not really linked. however i like keeping things sorted in folders on my thunderbird client.
any tips? should i just switch everything over to imap or what?

chamelion said:
hey guys,
right now what happens is my gmail account forwards all email to my exchange server, hosted on my home PC.
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How you managed to make exchasnge server runs on your home PC ? It is nice to try it myself please..

hbahaie said:
How you managed to make exchasnge server runs on your home PC ? It is nice to try it myself please..
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lol hard work installed win2003, then exchange, set it all up, have an external IP, set up certificates for security, and voila!

chamelion said:
lol hard work installed win2003, then exchange, set it all up, have an external IP, set up certificates for security, and voila!
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thanks a lot, the problem is i have dynamic IP, will try to have a static one or use an IP forwarding service, trhank u again for your prompt reply.

hbahaie said:
thanks a lot, the problem is i have dynamic IP, will try to have a static one or use an IP forwarding service, trhank u again for your prompt reply.
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dyndns
solves all your dynamic IP issues!

If an Exchange server is too hard to install, you can try Kerio Mailserver..
Its very easy to configure..and it also works with pushmail..

There is one small difference between IMAP IDLE, and Exchange with PushMail - the price. IMAP IDLE was invented long time ago and always was free (but not available on free accounts and this is a new thing), and then it was "reinvented" by Blackberry and again by Microsoft. And now you can have:
1. Blackberry for monthly fee and total control od the company over your mails
2. PushMail with expansive Windows Server and Exchange + a lot of free problems
3. Totally free IMAP IDLE on your home linux server or even cheaper with gmail.
For me choice is easy

Mail2web is an online exchange server (2003) for free !
So the two alternative are for me:
mail2web: online exchange server, free, sync contact calendar tasks
vs
gmail: imap (i can't use it yet)
But, wich is better? I need only mail asap on my Hermes with minimum data transfer cost.
Any mean?

As far as I know IMAP doesn't sync contacts, calendar or tasks.....I'm going to stick with gmail-->mail2web-->phone

Edvard_Greig said:
As far as I know IMAP doesn't sync contacts, calendar or tasks.....I'm going to stick with gmail-->mail2web-->phone
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I do it same now. But gmail imap would be maybe cheaper... And I never use my mail2web account to write mail. If I receive a mail on gmail than I would like to answer with gmail acc instead of mail2web...

chamelion said:
dyndns
solves all your dynamic IP issues!
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Apart from the fact that almost every mail server blocks Dynamic IP ranges, so you wont be able to send any mail..... Been there done that! lol
Wish there was a way round it because i cant get a Static

imap idle ftw !
Hi
I'm currently running a mail server on a dedicated box (host @ datacenter 30€/month) under linux with courrier-imap. There is a way to implement IMAP IDLE function, that is almost the same than pushing emails.
I actualy tested it without FAM (File Alteration Monitor). Fam allow you to have a realtime email like blackberry. I don't need it, the basic IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE do a check every minutes and update if there is a mail.
I tested this feature through telnet and it worked lovely.
Now, in order to be able to use this feature over your windows mobile, you have the choice between to softwares.
The first is vgsmail http://www.vgsmail.com/ppc/ (free trial)
This one will just enable the IMAP IDLE feature on your pocket outlook (seems to be the more elegant way to implement it)
The second is WIS Flexmail 2007 (search at google ) (free trial)
This one is a new client (i don't like to change my use personnaly)
The major problem of the both solutions is that you have to pay for it.
Does anyone can do a patch for pocket outlook to implement imap idle fonction on it ?
Regards.

lucky bastards ,
i still cannot use that feature!!!!!!!!

GorTen said:
I do it same now. But gmail imap would be maybe cheaper... And I never use my mail2web account to write mail. If I receive a mail on gmail than I would like to answer with gmail acc instead of mail2web...
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For (from memory) 80cents US a month mail2web allows you to set up a 'permanent from address' so it appears that the mail is coming from gmail or whereever!
Works a treat

mfubib said:
For (from memory) 80cents US a month mail2web allows you to set up a 'permanent from address' so it appears that the mail is coming from gmail or whereever!
Works a treat
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Where is this option? I use mail2web live...

Just sign up for a mail2web LIVE account...
https://services.mail2web.com/signup/mail2weblive/mail2webLive_01.asp

jaso2005 said:
Apart from the fact that almost every mail server blocks Dynamic IP ranges, so you wont be able to send any mail..... Been there done that! lol
Wish there was a way round it because i cant get a Static
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don't use my exchange server for SMTP, only for PUSH. SMTP i've set up exchange to use gmail's smtp server, which is perfect. means that every email i send from my phone is automatically put into my sent mail box in my gmail account.
... and of course it's not blocked. best of all worlds
After reading through this thread i think the answer for me is simple - stick with my exchange service. didn't pay a cent for it (100% legal through my school's license too!) and it works perfectly. so why not just keep it going

While setting up Win2k3 + Exchange 2k3 w/ SP2 isn't too bad if you know what you're doing, a lot of people don't have resources to do that.
I recommend Mail2web as well. Great service! I've been using it for probably ~1.5 years now with Push email on my phone. Pretty much ever since Push came out for WM, I've been using mail2web with it.
If you want push Gmail, what I did was set up a rule on my gmail account to forward ALL email to my mail2web account, then archive it.
So now someone just emails my gmail and it gets pushed to my phone. nice and easy.

chamelion said:
don't use my exchange server for SMTP, only for PUSH. SMTP i've set up exchange to use gmail's smtp server, which is perfect. means that every email i send from my phone is automatically put into my sent mail box in my gmail account.
... and of course it's not blocked. best of all worlds
After reading through this thread i think the answer for me is simple - stick with my exchange service. didn't pay a cent for it (100% legal through my school's license too!) and it works perfectly. so why not just keep it going
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Ahhh using the SMTP server in Smart Hosts?

GldRush98 said:
While setting up Win2k3 + Exchange 2k3 w/ SP2 isn't too bad if you know what you're doing, a lot of people don't have resources to do that.
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yes very very true. i took days to set it up, literally. tweak here, fix there, research here, implement there etc etc. But i guess it's different for me who's a complete computer geek and found the challange more exciting than actually solving it at the end
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Ahhh using the SMTP server in Smart Hosts?
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yep! i thought that was a great touch

Is anyone able to setup Hotmail with Exchange Activesync on the Arc?

As much as I try I seem to be failing miserably. Tried by just opening Native email app and by going to home, settings, Accounts & Sync, Add Account, Exchange ActiveSync and am trying:
email & password, Next.
Domain left blank
username = email addy
password,
server = m.hotmail.com
both SSL boxes ticked,
but I keep getting:
Setup could not finish
Cannot connect to server.
Im going out of my mind now!

Actually a friend of mine was trying that with his Arc but no success.. seems working fine with POP3 for some reason ... wish I could help

I am having the same problem...

That's interesting, has anybody actually had any success connecting to any exchange activesync server using the arc? I only have access to hotmail's exchange, but this works fine on touchdown, just not the native app...

ronniecross said:
That's interesting, has anybody actually had any success connecting to any exchange activesync server using the arc? I only have access to hotmail's exchange, but this works fine on touchdown, just not the native app...
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I'm connected to my University's exchange server (hosted on the Hotmail cloud) and it works fine. Make sure to use your full email address for your username.

I am also having the same problem. Strange.
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Was able to set up hotmail at the first try.
as for Exchange, I don't know - because I don't use it.

I have just tweeted se. Will have to see what they come back with.

Just set up a hotmail account too. Works without a hitch.

I want to set hotmail up with PUSH email... not PULL(POP3) which way I can set it up...

I use enhanced email apply and exchange (push) and footprint set up fine.
Wish it had more ram or a way to permanently kill tasks until required.
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I'm using the default mail client to connect to my corporate exchange server via activesync. No problems at all. Exchange Server 2003 though. Don't have 2007 or higher to test on.

SE-Naz said:
I want to set hotmail up with PUSH email... not PULL(POP3) which way I can set it up...
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I don't think Hotmail supports that. Unless you know of some plan where MS charges you money.

Rashkae said:
I don't think Hotmail supports that. Unless you know of some plan where MS charges you money.
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It does. Microsoft started supporting it a little while ago. Only seems to work with mobile phones atm, ie android, apple etc. It doesnt seem to work with outlook without that hotmail connector.

This is what I received back from SE earlier this morning.
'@Gavilaaar To set this up, you would need to contact Hotmail to obtain the correct server settings you require.'
Anyone wanna laugh with me???

Is that possible to sync Hotmail Calendar with Arc?

Gavilaaar said:
This is what I received back from SE earlier this morning.
'@Gavilaaar To set this up, you would need to contact Hotmail to obtain the correct server settings you require.'
Anyone wanna laugh with me???
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Why? They're right... It's not SE's job to set you up with Hotmail.
Did you look elsewhere online?
Microsoft adds Hotmail ActiveSync support for iPad, iPhone but not yet Android
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft...port-for-ipad-iphone-but-not-yet-android/7251
So AFAIK it's not yet officially supported by MS, but you can give it a shot.
My school email server runs on the hotmail cloud (I can access it via hotmail.com) and it works.
But basic hotmail doesn't.

FYI... A quick google search found many threads recommending "better mail client" (free on the market) for this task. Seems to work.

This too:
http://www.thesearethedroids.com/20...mail-mail-calendar-and-contacts-with-android/
Note the "\"

Rashkae said:
Why? They're right... It's not SE's job to set you up with Hotmail.
Did you look elsewhere online?
Microsoft adds Hotmail ActiveSync support for iPad, iPhone but not yet Android
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft...port-for-ipad-iphone-but-not-yet-android/7251
So AFAIK it's not yet officially supported by MS, but you can give it a shot.
My school email server runs on the hotmail cloud (I can access it via hotmail.com) and it works.
But basic hotmail doesn't.
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To be fair, I did have a major bounce around the web after I tweeted SE and found the same information as you.
What I was asking them was why hotmail wasn't working with the stock email client but working with others. And that was the reply.

Galaxy Nexus and PUSH EMAIL.

As title.
Where is the push email support for non gmail account?

There was never support for IMAP push and still isn't. Seems Google isn't particularly interested in changing that.

gokpog said:
There was never support for IMAP push and still isn't. Seems Google isn't particularly interested in changing that.
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really disappointed from this "revolutionary" ICS.

That's what gmail is for.
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kangxi said:
That's what gmail is for.
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gmail is for personal use, I have other emails with PUSH support but
my phone doesn't support it.

Set up you gmail account through exchange

falconeight said:
Set up you gmail account through exchange
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please understand what we are talking about.

Set your other account to forward to a gmail account. You can even set the Gmail account to reply from the "professional" account. Or set up a Google Apps account with your business domain.
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If it's exchange you're looking for, touchdown supports push. I've been using it for years it works well.
What type of account is this?
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i love Touchdown exchange for my work email. Probably the best part is the pin required by my company's security isnt applied to the whole device, I only have to enter the PIN to open the email application. Id hate to have to enter PIN just to send a text message.

I'm disappointed that Gmail doesn't have push using the email app. There's push support on the iPhone, so why not on a native Google device?

The AOSP email app has support for exchange.

JCopernicus said:
The AOSP email app has support for exchange.
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Thank you for clarifying. This whole thread just freaked me out. IMAP? Who cares! But, Exchange? Yes please!

cpcrazyfly said:
i love Touchdown exchange for my work email. Probably the best part is the pin required by my company's security isnt applied to the whole device, I only have to enter the PIN to open the email application. Id hate to have to enter PIN just to send a text message.
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I just got my Galaxy Nexus and was hoping that this would be something that ICS would resolve. My single biggest gripe with Android is lack of native PUSH email notifications for non-Gmail email accounts.
I shouldn't have to forward emails to my gmail account for this to work. That is not a solution, but merely a half-crack workaround.
I don't have the ability to use Google apps with my work email account.
I don't have an Exchange account, just an IMAP account. So it sounds like my only options are to get one of the shotty email clients in the app market or move to iPhone that supports this natively. I love android, this is just one of those things that's a priority for me. :-/

Kaiten Mail
Check out Kaiten Mail. Based off K9 email, but I think it works better, and works great on tablets too.
https://market.android.com/details?...lt#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5rYWl0ZW5tYWlsIl0.

mfive said:
I just got my Galaxy Nexus and was hoping that this would be something that ICS would resolve. My single biggest gripe with Android is lack of native PUSH email notifications for non-Gmail email accounts.
I shouldn't have to forward emails to my gmail account for this to work. That is not a solution, but merely a half-crack workaround.
I don't have the ability to use Google apps with my work email account.
I don't have an Exchange account, just an IMAP account. So it sounds like my only options are to get one of the shotty email clients in the app market or move to iPhone that supports this natively. I love android, this is just one of those things that's a priority for me. :-/
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You can't just add "push", the email service needs to support it.
"Push" email is just a descriptor, it's not an actual implementation of anything specific.

mfive said:
I don't have an Exchange account, just an IMAP account. So it sounds like my only options are to get one of the shotty email clients in the app market or move to iPhone that supports this natively. I love android, this is just one of those things that's a priority for me. :-/
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The iPhone doesn't support PUSH (aka IMAP IDLE) for IMAP email servers. I'm positive it doesn't do it for the native email (my wife has an iPhone), can't say if there's an email client app that supports, but I want to say no since iOS will kill any background running app like that.
Get K9 mail for Android, I used it a lot a couple years ago via IMAP (before switching to Gmail full time), worked great for instant notifications.

JCopernicus said:
You can't just add "push", the email service needs to support it.
"Push" email is just a descriptor, it's not an actual implementation of anything specific.
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the email must support push email (IMAP idle) but the client must support that too.
my own server supports IMAP idle, I use the push service on every phone but it does not work on my galaxy nexus.
I must admit that android is only a soap bubble, you can't say that android is an advanced OS when it lacks the basic feature of feature phones.

I could've sworn I had a stock Email app on my Droid Charge at one point that was push. It was awesome. There has to be a stock or AOSP Email app apk out there somewhere that we can use.

Galaxy Sll email app has it...maybe someone can port it.
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GNEX doesn't supprt PUSH Email on non gmail account. We need your voice.

As title.
It isn't possible to have push email on GNEX if not using a gmail account,
this is unacceptable on a 2012 smartphone.
Please ask this feature here if you are interested in it.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=23971&thanks=23971&ts=1325771428
EDIT: Push is actually supported only for gmail and exchange, this is not enough.

sblantipodi said:
As title.
It isn't possible to have push email on GNEX if not using a gmail account,
this is unacceptable on a 2012 smartphone.
Please ask this feature here if you are interested in it.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=23971&thanks=23971&ts=1325771428
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i get push email fine from my company email.

Zepius said:
i get push email fine from my company email.
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If you are using exchange or gmail is ok, in any other case push email is not possible on gnex using the standard email client.

Your title is a bit misleading. Ice Cream Sandwich does support PUSH for exchange and hotmail in addition to gmail. IMAP Idle is not supported.
"GNEX doesn't supprt IMAP Idle. We need your voice."

I have Automatic (Push) on the standard email app for Hotmail and Gmail

sblantipodi said:
As title.
It isn't possible to have push email on GNEX if not using a gmail account,
this is unacceptable on a 2012 smartphone.
Please ask this feature here if you are interested in it.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=23971&thanks=23971&ts=1325771428
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i don't think you will get anywhere on this.
android as a OS does support PUSH notification, its all down to the software eg, gmail, k9, touchdown to utilize it.
if that software has no support for PUSH, its not android's fault.

Exchange pushed alright. Its just we don't get any notification when email arrives
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sblantipodi said:
If you are using exchange or gmail is ok, in any other case push email is not possible on gnex using the standard email client.
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just download hotmail app, or mail.com app, or yahoo app
all of them offer push mail/message notification
you just need to install them from market
is that so hard?
heck even Facebook / Twitter / etc offers push messages if you install their app
including my eBay, and PayPal and everything else
they come up faster than i get them on my PC

apratomo said:
Exchange pushed alright. Its just we don't get any notification when email arrives
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you're kidding right? i get email on my phone from exchange faster than outlook.

Zepius said:
you're kidding right? i get email on my phone from exchange faster than outlook.
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Same here.
Shows up on my phone (WITH notification) before I see it on my PC screen in Outlook (which is where I sent the test email from!)

AllGamer said:
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is that so hard?
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Probably is hard for you to understand that people who work with email generally have an email [email protected]
this means that you have no yahoo and gmail options.

sblantipodi said:
Probably is hard for you to understand that people who work with email generally have an email [email protected]
this means that you have no yahoo and gmail options.
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so now you're backpeddling?

sblantipodi said:
Probably is hard for you to understand that people who work with email generally have an email [email protected]
this means that you have no yahoo and gmail options.
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And it is probably hard for YOU to understand that if you spend five minutes you can add ANY email account to your gmail account and receive push notifications for it. But you know I guess you're always right and everyone else is always wrong.
How are those batteries treating you?

Zepius said:
so now you're backpeddling?
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No I'm saying that ICS supports Push Email for gmail,yahoo,exchange only, this means that ICS doesn't support Push Email but that it support it only for limited email services, too few I add.

joshnichols189 said:
And it is probably hard for YOU to understand that if you spend five minutes you can add ANY email account to your gmail account and receive push notifications for it. But you know I guess you're always right and everyone else is always wrong.
How are those batteries treating you?
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You are always kiddy
If you work for a company with some email services, you obviously don't want to leave gmail to manage your emails.
In this case the gmail fetcher feature uses POP and not IMAP so it can't be considered push email. Study more before complaining about me please

sblantipodi said:
No I'm saying that ICS supports Push Email for gmail,yahoo,exchange only, this means that ICS doesn't support Push Email but that it support it only for limited email services, too few I add.
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What is your definition of push? Corporate works. Gmail works. Yahoo works. IMAP works. I'm not sure what other kind of "push" technology you're referring to. Other than that, POP3 is just POP3. Google can't help what technologies other email providers offer.
I think there's a huge disconnect between you and the rest of us right now, so could you elaborate?

x2breakoffate said:
What is your definition of push? Corporate works. Gmail works. Yahoo works. IMAP works. I'm not sure what other kind of "push" technology you're referring to. Other than that, POP3 is just POP3. Google can't help what technologies other email providers offer.
I think there's a huge disconnect between you and the rest of us right now, so could you elaborate?
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This. If it's a POP3 email box/service you can't "use" Push with it. There's nothing to push.

x2breakoffate said:
What is your definition of push? Corporate works. Gmail works. Yahoo works. IMAP works. I'm not sure what other kind of "push" technology you're referring to. Other than that, POP3 is just POP3. Google can't help what technologies other email providers offer.
I think there's a huge disconnect between you and the rest of us right now, so could you elaborate?
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The huge disconnect is because most people here don't know what push email/IMAP idle is.
Push email means that your client/server connection remains in idle, no need to connect every X minutes to check for a new email since the connection is never lost.
With PUSH email (called IMAP Idle for most email provider) you is notified on new email in real time, this saves battery also because the connection remains in idle and there is no need to create a new handshake every time.
PUSH email isn't possible with POP account but this days every email provider supports both POP and IMAP.
With ICS and previous android there is no way to do IMAP idle with a standard email since this feature is supported in gmail client only.

Do you realize that you don't need to use the factory email program to check email? There are plenty of free options in the Market (as well as SMS, dialers, etc) to replace any app you do not like.

chadmd23 said:
Do you realize that you don't need to use the factory email program to check email? There are plenty of free options in the Market (as well as SMS, dialers, etc) to replace any app you do not like.
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can you give me an example of a great app that supports push email and that have a good HTML support please?

College email help!

I'm a student at a community college and a lot important emails for classes etc.. Go through it now I've seen a single tut on how to sign on this email and that's for apple iPad which for them is simple but I've tried multiple ways nothings happening on android :/ . the email is
[email protected]
Any clue how to?
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First of all, you need to request server settings and which encryption as well as how do you use login information.
I have CUNY email, but server is outlook.com.

You see our college site doesn't even indicate if the email is POP3 or imap , the reason I know u can set it up is my friend has it on his iPhone but unlike iPhone android didn't have an option of "other"
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mingkee said:
First of all, you need to request server settings and which encryption as well as how do you use login information.
I have CUNY email, but server is outlook.com.
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I too have my email for school and is through outlook. How would I set it up
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You may use Exchange instead of POP/IMAP.