I'm currently running CM6 with the standard kernel that comes with it. I'm not really looking to overclock as that drains the battery life faster and that's my main issue. My question is...with all the recent releases such as the HAVs enabled HTC kernel and those sort of updates, does Snap v. 7.6 offer any real battery life advantages?
Also, I almost installed it once, but I decided not to when it gave me the THIS HAS BEEN KNOWN TO CAUSE SUDDEN DEATH TO EVOS warning. Are my fears here unfounded?
I use the Snap kernel with no problems ever, but I haven't seen any battery benefits. Just my experience.
Supposedly snap 7.5 offers the lowest idle energy draw out of all the kernals - sense or not. I use it and get great battery life.
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I'm using the snap 7.6 with Turbo and definitely prefer it. Things feel smoother to me. I'm not sure about battery life as I just switched back to cyanogen again after a whole of not using it.
Don't worry about that message.. its just a disclaimer like people put on their roms that they aren't responsible any damage. In the snap thread the maker said there haven't been any major problems reported.
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Snap 7.6 with turbo enabled is extremely fast, the .34 kernal is as well, so you will not find too many differences in terms of real performance... not sure of the battery differences tho. btw, this should probably not be in the dev section, more suitable for the q&a section.
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I use the Snap kernel with no problems ever, but I haven't seen any battery benefits. Just my experience.
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Hmm...alright.
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Supposedly snap 7.5 offers the lowest idle energy draw out of all the kernals - sense or not. I use it and get great battery life.
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Thank you! That's great information. Is this the one listed in the "daily driver" section of the first post in the Snap thread? Do you think Snap v 7.6 w/ Turbo will have alright battery life?
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I'm using the snap 7.6 with Turbo and definitely prefer it. Things feel smoother to me. I'm not sure about battery life as I just switched back to cyanogen again after a whole of not using it.
Don't worry about that message.. its just a disclaimer like people put on their roms that they aren't responsible any damage. In the snap thread the maker said there haven't been any major problems reported.
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Alright Imma bite the bullet and try this. Thanks for telling me that's not a big issue. I'm in the process of reading the snap thread, but I'll never get through all 500 pages.
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Snap 7.6 with turbo enabled is extremely fast, the .34 kernal is as well, so you will not find too many differences in terms of real performance... not sure of the battery differences tho. btw, this should probably not be in the dev section, more suitable for the q&a section.
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CRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP. I thought I posted this in the Q&A >_< I'm so bad at this forum thing.
i use 7.6 + turbo and it rocks
Currently backing everything up and probably going to flash Snap v. 7.6 with Turbo and see how that runs. If I don't get the battery life I'm hoping for, I'll probably try 7.5. Thank you all for replying so quickly. ^_^
I have build 107 installed and snap 7.6 with turbo I've gotten with about 30 emails a day and a good amount of web browsing and flash usage over 35 hours. I think personally that's great!
The kernel in the build 100 series nightlies is very fast. As fast as 76 by my rough analysis. But I still use 7.6 because I feel the battery life is better.
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Hmm...alright.
Thank you! That's great information. Is this the one listed in the "daily driver" section of the first post in the Snap thread? Do you think Snap v 7.6 w/ Turbo will have alright battery life?
Alright Imma bite the bullet and try this. Thanks for telling me that's not a big issue. I'm in the process of reading the snap thread, but I'll never get through all 500 pages.
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yup to the daily driver.
Fwiw, the comparison tests showed that snap 7.5 is about 25% more effecient at idle than the others. I also confirmed that it goes that low.
You should check out the comparison thread in the general forum. But I def' suggest 7.5 over 7.6 - in actual use the extra quadrant points is 99% superficial. Battery life obviously isn't.
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If you are running CM6 you HAVE to run Snap v7.6 with turbo. Its smokes anything out there and the battery life is much better than a lot of other Kernels out there.
Wow! I am sold! I just a freaking 2114 on quadrant. Holy crap this thing is blazing.
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If you are running CM6 you HAVE to run Snap v7.6 with turbo.
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No, actually I don't. When they share exactly what "turbo" does, maybe.
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No, actually I don't. When they share exactly what "turbo" does, maybe.
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You are right. You have the option to miss out on a kernel that just flat out makes CM6 blaze.
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You are right. You have the option to miss out on a kernel that just flat out makes CM6 blaze.
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Besides seeing a high number in a app, do you actually experience any difference? My guess: unless it improves GPU performance, probably not.
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Besides seeing a high number in a app, do you actually experience any difference? My guess: unless it improves GPU performance, probably not.
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It is much more snappy all around. Seems as though you just want to argue with me. Try it. If you like it you like it if you don't you don't.
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It is much more snappy all around. Seems as though you just want to argue with me. Try it. If you like it you like it if you don't you don't.
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No, I'm not trying to argue. I've tried both already several times already.
I'm just saying that there's no real world noticeable/visual improvement between the two. The trade off of using 7.6 + turbo is a REAL 25% drop in idle energy efficiency.
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Yeah I gotta agree with you on this one. All I really got was an awesome quadrant score. I'm on th 7.5 one now, and surprisingly, I got lower linpacks on 7.6 than I get with 7.5. Also, Neocore scores were only .2 FPS better than previous kernels I've tried. So idk what it's doing since it doesn't seem to boost the GPU a whole lot or anything, but it DOES get really good quadrant scores.
Anyways, I'm really just wondering how you guys get decent battery life with v 7.6. I literally got about 5 hours out of it yesterday in what I would consider "moderate use." At one point I played music for 10 minutes and watched it drop from 52% down to 46%. I honestly just hope I'm just doing something wrong here, because that's absolutely insane to me.
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So, there you have it. Aside from stability, my main concern is conserving battery life. In fact, I'd sacrifice the 30FPS unlock to conserve 3+ hours of battery life if need be.
Which is better for stability and battery life in your opinion.
Also, please post what ROM you are currently using.
Thanks!
PS - Let me know if you'd like a new poll option added. (Nevermind, apparently can't tweak that now.)
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So, there you have it. Aside from stability, my main concern is conserving battery life. In fact, I'd sacrifice the 30FPS unlock to conserve 3+ hours of battery life if need be.
Which is better for stability and battery life in your opinion.
Also, please post what ROM you are currently using.
Thanks!
PS - Let me know if you'd like a new poll option added. (Nevermind, apparently can't tweak that now.)
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Haven't tried ffolkes yet I can say I got 22 hours out of fresh 26 with underclock while screens off
I have used DC, Baked Snack, and fresh. I think fresh is the most stable of the three. DC with JIT enabled causes reboots at times, but they are rare. DC with JIT disabled is pretty stable. Baked Snack sometimes gave me odd problems, but it is pretty fast.
I think I had best battery life with DC, about 35 hours. My brother reportedly used his phone for two days straight playing games without having to charge it. He uses DC with DCConfig set to Battery Saver. This was with an undervolted kernel without using overclock. Had to switch from undervolted at a later point because it caused HUGE amounts of stability issues. (Ffolkes' kernel)
Fresh with autostarts is pretty good with battery life. I haven't tried the latest version. Using a perflock disabled kernel and setCPU works wonders for fresh and battery life.
Baked Snack was an odd one. My battery life was inconsistent. All I can say with that one.
My thoughts on the three ROM's that Jykinturah mentioned are the same. Using DC 3.2.3 with ffolkes using set cpu, I charge my phone about as often as my girlfriend who has a blackberrry: every 2 days.
ffolkes' Higher Frame Rate Kernel
is this the 5.2 ?
flips kernel #26 doesn't work with FPS unlock for my HW002 nova screen
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flips kernel #26 doesn't work with FPS unlock for my HW002 nova screen
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It does if you use Evo Switch and change T2 to 250.
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It does if you use Evo Switch and change T2 to 250.
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English?
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in the ffolkes thread there is a link to an app called EvoSwitch. It allows you to change a value called T2 (it has something to do with frequency I guess) which for some people (including me, with an 002 bought on evo release day) actually allows the fps to change.
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in the ffolkes thread there is a link to an app called EvoSwitch. It allows you to change a value called T2 (it has something to do with frequency I guess) which for some people (including me, with an 002 bought on evo release day) actually allows the fps to change.
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Thanks,man! I will try this over the weekend. I had tried some of ffolkes kerenels previously with no success. This might do the trick.
so which kernel is supposed to have the best batterly life?
I just put on fresh toast. I get a good 49fps
So far so good. to early to tell about battery life tho
Thats what im looking for
Now me and 4 of my friends have EVOs and I rooted all of them. Some of this EVOs are hardware verson 003 and one of them is 002. 2 are novatec and 3 are epson. We are all running fresh 3.1.0.2 with netarchy-toastmod-4.1.8 bfs, mine has 4.1.9 BETA, but my one friend is running CM6 RC2 because he loves it. Now all of these EVOs can overclock to 1.27 GHz but when we do it they freeze and crash. My one friend can go up to 1.22 just fine but the rest of us are stuck at 1.19. I want to know why this happens. If our phones cant take that much why have it. What's the point we have 5 EVOs here none can handle it. Im I doing something wrong is the a joke WTF!!
All the phones are different. Most can't oc past 1152 without causing reboots, mine included. Other than ridiculous benchmark numbers, I don't think you'll notice a huge difference in performance.
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All the phones are different. Most can't oc past 1152 without causing reboots, mine included. Other than ridiculous benchmark numbers, I don't think you'll notice a huge difference in performance.
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I dont really care about performance I just wanted to know why this happens and dont get me started on benchmark numbers its just and ****ing number who cares as long as the phone is running fast and sable and has good battery life then its fine some people go out of there way to make there benchmark the highest like CM-snap ver.7.0 kernel.
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I dont really care about performance I just wanted to know why this happens and dont get me started on benchmark numbers its just and ****ing number who cares as long as the phone is running fast and sable and has good battery life then its fine some people go out of there way to make there benchmark the highest like CM-snap ver.7.0 kernel.
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Simple answer, not all chips are made the same. They are made to minimum standards. Your chip is rated to 1 ghz, and thats what the chip company delivered.
Some chips can handle more, but thats just luck.
As far as why do people strive for the high numbers, thats personal preference. Not everyone here cares about 30+ hours of battery life. Some just like the bragging rights.
Unfortunantly, all EVO's are not created equal. You can have the same hardware and version numbers on 2 devices, but one may be able to OC that high, and one may not. This is also why not everyone can run the superbattery kernel from the Baked Snack rom. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it.
and c'mon, watch the language. There are rules around here, you know?
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and c'mon, watch the language. There are rules around here, you know?
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Sorry, I thought we are all adults one swear now and again wont kill anyone
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I dont really care about performance I just wanted to know why this happens and dont get me started on benchmark numbers its just and ****ing number who cares as long as the phone is running fast and sable and has good battery life then its fine some people go out of there way to make there benchmark the highest like CM-snap ver.7.0 kernel.
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actually, cm snap 7.0 and 7.1 are extremely stable, have great battery life and have excellent benchmarks as well. i dont have a single problem with cm snap kernels and i run at 1228mhz when fully charged.
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I dont really care about performance I just wanted to know why this happens and dont get me started on benchmark numbers its just and ****ing number who cares as long as the phone is running fast and sable and has good battery life then its fine some people go out of there way to make there benchmark the highest like CM-snap ver.7.0 kernel.
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that's not going out of the way... it's making the phone as fast as possible. why do anything if you aren't gonna push the limit? how are you gonna develop if you don't push the limit?
I just flashed SkyRaider 3.3 and KingxKernel #5 and I was wondering if that's a good combination for battery life ? Thanks
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You tell us. Is it?
It's super fast but the thing is y just installed set CPU cause I guess your not suppose to have it when you kings kernel
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I just flashed SkyRaider 3.3 and KingxKernel #5 and I was wondering if that's a good combination for battery life ? Thanks
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I ran that same combo for a while and IMO the battery did what it does best: SUUUUUUUUCK%$#^& ! .......that been said it's been like that pretty much all the time, if you really use the phone that is, not complaining at all, just saying. That's why I always carry a spare one. There are way too many variables and setup preferences that might differ from one user to the next and if you overclock the thing uses even more juice. Really love the 3.3 Rom but the lack of 3G deal in my case forced me to reflash in a different direction........Good Luck !
What do you mean by lack of 3G ?
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What do you mean by lack of 3G ?
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Exactly that......no 3G, very very poor signal if any, I thought it was just me but after reviewing the ongoing 3.3 thread I found out that some people are experiencing this issue too, very small % though. In my case I was with T-Mobile for quite a while, fantastic service but poor signal-coverage at my business location so I switched to Verizon which really rocks signal-coverage-wise until now......sooooo......I really love the ROM and really hope for a feasible fix to get back to it.
it has to be a downed tower or old prl the rom/kernel dont control the phone calls so id say to check with vzw and run the appropriate updates, hope it gets fixed for ya
I'm using KK BFS #5 and the latest SkyRaider and I've got no such issues. No 3G troubles, no battery suckage, no weird stability issues...
Seems all ok for me. I'm happy with the combination. Sedio 1750 battery, BTW.
I do have SetCPU installed, interactive governor, and a profile to lower the clock speed to 612MHz when the screen is off. When awake, the phone is overclocked one notch to 1036MHz.
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Not too sure where you heard this from. Could you post a link? I've used nothing but KingXKernel's on various Sense-based ROM's, and I've used SetCPU to tweak each and every one of them.
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I ran that same combo for a while and IMO the battery did what it does best: SUUUUUUUUCK%$#^& !
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I've been running KK#5-BFS on SR 3.3, and my battery life (stock battery) has been pretty fantastic. Of course, that's completely relative, and I'm not a super heavy user, but with all other variables being constant, my battery life has definitely improved since going with this combo. You just have to be intelligent with your SetCPU settings, profiles, and phone settings.
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Exactly that......no 3G, very very poor signal if any...
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I initially had the same 3G issues with SR 3.3, but ihtfp69 has since fixed these problems with 3.3.1, and my 3G has been flawless ever since.
I use king kernel BFS #5 with setcpu and i get some pretty amazing battery life
I am running the same combo with ROM and kernal minus the SetCpu and forget to charge my phone overnight. So for over 24hrs I was at 29% battery life. This is the best combo I've experienced so far for great battery life. Make sure you do a full system wipe, once you Flash the ROM..
does anyone find that charge times have increased after installing king's kernel 5? It may be just my imagination but I wanted to see if anyone has seen the same
Just wondering if anybody has tried this kernel yet? Found it over on AndroidMobileJunkie.com (Followed a link in somebody's sig here n XDA that said 1.28Ghz so naturally I was curious lol) Anyways, here's the link for the post over on AMJ. http://forum.androidmobilejunkie.com/threads/kernel-ziggy471-droid-incredible-22-oct.11/
yea ziggy's kernel. It's been in discussion in both of the Desire rom port threads. 1.28 is very rough on the processor though, and mostly unstable for a lot of people's phones (mine included), even ziggy admits it's a risky business, but he has proven it is possible.
I am so tempted to try this, but I'm afraid to fry my phone. My go big or go home mentality may make me give in. Wish there was someone who posted on the thread link
I ran it. No problems a 1.28 but really didn't use it long. Here's my Quadrant post in the Desire Z port thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8775977&postcount=168
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I'd imagine that clocking the processor that high wouldn't make much difference than say, 1.19GHz.
In fact, in plenty of ROMs I've tried, anything clocking over 1152mhz actually gives me a decrease in my quadrant scores. Not to say its not a stability issue - I'd assume that most Snapdragons actually clock higher than 998mhz, but then are reduced because that's baseline performance, anything less than 998mhz would get kicked.
I've never had a ROM crash, even running at 1.19GHz, but didn't notice any performance gains, plus, unless you just happen to get a chip that is capable of 1.28GHz no problem, it's probably near bottle-neck anyway.
And Quadrant has several variables way outside of clock speed that can pull 1800's, including just your flavor ROM.
Bottom Line: It's not worth frying your phone just for a barely-existent performance gain. If you happen to have a processor that is incapable of stability at 1.28GHz, you might fry out some transistors, then get stuck with something that freezes if you clock it over 700, let alone the 998 stock.
For me personally 1.28 is no improvement over 1.152. In fact, it gives me worse benchmarks.
sorry for repost
I gave this kernel a try and I actually prefer the newest HTC 2.6.32.17 charging time has significantly decreased battery life has increased and the performance is really responsive and smooth. My quadrant scores are nothing impressive pretty average but I would rather all of the above than a high quadrant.
I tried this kernal and my camera stopped working...
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I gave this kernel a try and I actually prefer the newest HTC 2.6.32.17 charging time has significantly decreased battery life has increased and the performance is really responsive and smooth. My quadrant scores are nothing impressive pretty average but I would rather all of the above than a high quadrant.
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Lou hit the nail on the head. I love the .17 kernel. Im using the new guy with great performance, battery life, charging, and neat transitions. its like a new phone.
I'm using this with a vanilla froyo ROM and my battery life is amazing. Haven't noticed any freezing or any program not working.
Wow!
Thanks for all the replies guys, I think for now I'm gonna stick with the stock kernel also, I just remember back when I used to run KxK's kernels seeing great benchmarks and battery life I was always wondering if there were any faster out there lol
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Thanks for all the replies guys, I think for now I'm gonna stick with the stock kernel also, I just remember back when I used to run KxK's kernels seeing great benchmarks and battery life I was always wondering if there were any faster out there lol
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There's always faster, the question is will they work. lol
When I'm running the newer Sense ports, HD or Z, I can only run 1.113, no matter how much or little voltage I give it. When I'm running an older one, I can go all the way up.
As for stability at 1.28G, I need to work on the voltage more, to find the sweet spot, I just did it 'cause Jugs said one of his Bravo buds had it working, so I had to try.
I'll keep playing with it if people are still interested, otherwise, I'll just keep at the lower speeds.
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Just loaded up your AOSP on Ruby 1.1.4. Running great, 1600 in Quad at 1ghz. Everything seems really smooth. Are the voltages undervolted at 1ghz? Maybe you could start your own thread?
Nevermind...found it!
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There's always faster, the question is will they work. lol
When I'm running the newer Sense ports, HD or Z, I can only run 1.113, no matter how much or little voltage I give it. When I'm running an older one, I can go all the way up.
As for stability at 1.28G, I need to work on the voltage more, to find the sweet spot, I just did it 'cause Jugs said one of his Bravo buds had it working, so I had to try.
I'll keep playing with it if people are still interested, otherwise, I'll just keep at the lower speeds.
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By the way, my post wasn't meant to disrespect your efforts to 1.28GHz, I'm just giving fair warning that someone could possibly burn out their phone if they jack it up all the way. When I'm ready for an upgrade, I'll probably put this thing to the max.
Thanks Ziggy
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Just loaded up your AOSP on Ruby 1.1.4. Running great, 1600 in Quad at 1ghz. Everything seems really smooth. Are the voltages undervolted at 1ghz? Maybe you could start your own thread?
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What AOSP kernel??? I only see one kernel, and it references skyraider, which leads me to believe it is a sense kernel
edit: I am dumb. It is a different thread on the same site as listed above
http://forum.androidmobilejunkie.com/threads/kernel-ziggy471-droid-incredible-aosp-23-oct.24/
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By the way, my post wasn't meant to disrespect your efforts to 1.28GHz, I'm just giving fair warning that someone could possibly burn out their phone if they jack it up all the way. When I'm ready for an upgrade, I'll probably put this thing to the max.
Thanks Ziggy
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I didn't take it as such, and I agree with you fully. I prefer somewhere between 1.113 and 1.15. That's the reason I included the init script to set the max at 1.113, which I find very stable and fast, hell I'd say 1865 quad with ID's Z port isn't too shabby at 1.13.
I should be able to get 1.28 more stable with playing with the voltages, it's just that takes time, and I wasted too much this morning doing both AOSP INC and Evo kernels, so I'm worn out for awhile on kernels. I still need to fix the Evo for puertoblack, since it appears I left the debug port out, so no adb for it. lol
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Which one are you using, and why? I can't figure out which one to load. I know I can try them out, but I was just wondering what others thought on the subject.
I'm running CM7 right now, the official release.
I am running Tiamat with the CM7 Final. My battery life has been much better than before, usually get about 18 hours of use. Everything seems to run nicely! I did a lot of research and tried a bunch of different ROMs, this one has been the best for me.
Tiamat!!!!
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Tiamat!!!!
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I get awful battery life with SavegedZen. Everything is smooth with Tiamat, and I get great battery life. Ironically, I feel my 3G/4G and tethering speeds are faster with the Tiamat kernel as well.
I was using Tiamat when I was running CM. I was getting really good battery life and leaving data, wifi, gps ect... on. I usually charge at bed time and average moderate use but never had an issue with low battery.
In fairness to this post I have NOT used SZ so I might be biased. I have been reading up on it and noticed on cyanogens forums a lot of people swearing by the combo so I will probably give it a ****. I think this far into the game either are superb choices and it boils down to personal experience and phone specific issues.
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I use Tiatmat 3.3.5 scb kernel and love it. I took my phone off the charger about 11pm last night. I played on it for almost 2 hours solid and went to sleep and left it off the charger. I got up and spent about 30 minutes on it this morning. So far it has been up 9 hours and 44 minutes and still have 52%.
I selected a SBC kernel because I read on a thread over on XDA that it's best to use them if not charging all the time and you only charge overnight. Lot's of speculation on these kernels killing the batteries from what I read but I have yet to see any confirmed reports that this kernel damaged the phone.
Cyanogenmod & Tiatmat for the win!
Tiamat for battery, but savage has it beat on performance. Depends on what you want.
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Tiamat for battery, but savage has it beat on performance. Depends on what you want.
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Tiamat wins, ha.
Is there a noticeable difference in performance? Where would I see it or notice it?
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Tiamat wins, ha.
Is there a noticeable difference in performance? Where would I see it or notice it?
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No you wouldn't notice it much, in scores yes but not much to the end user.
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Mine is slightly reversed from everyone else in this thread.
Tiamat gives better performance but SavagedZen gives better battery life for me. I even discussed this with Tiamat's dev, cayniarb. I guess my Evo is weird.