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Preemptive Attack on ROM's

I think the Incredible introduced Android to many people, and without insulting anyone, I think a lot of these people are first timers to rooting, Linux, etc... so we have lot of "unseasoned" people with itchy trigger fingers, and root
Considering that the reflash looks like it will be released any day/minute now, there are some things that I wanted to start a discussion on. Some of these may be answered at the time of the release by unrevoked... but none the less I'm going to start:
1) Koush's recovery has nandroid. I think that someone (maybe me when I get off of work) should write up a quick write up on how to use nandroid to back up your system/use it to flash new roms
2) I think that Koush's Rom Manager will work with our phones, not to mention that i really like it . There should be a quick post on what this is, and how to use this.
For all of the "seasoned" people in here, before posting "this in unnecessary, this already has been done for other phones, etc....": If you're going to post, please post something relevant and educational for people instead, or just request that the thread be closed. NO FLAME PLEASE. I realize that this thread is for the more "noob" person.
"Noobs", please don't fill this thread with "junk", please post questions only if you feel they are relevant
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Excellent thread, thanks for the start looking forward to some useful information to absorb

Seconded
I am about as far from a computer/tech n00b as you can get, but I am extremely new to android. I would certainly welcome a primer of this nature.

Moderately seasoned nerd, but the incredible is my first smart phone. I absolutely welcome a "first-timers" thread with regards to rooting / tweaking this phone.
A preemptive thanks is definitely deserved, especially the level of drama I saw while trolling in the forums here, more-so over the past few weeks, and while some of the unfortunate "false starts" that always invariably occur with a startup of this nature.
Again, a heart-felt thank-you, and I really look forward to learning a new process on a completely different platform. I continue to eagerly await a streamlined process, especially one that I can learn from, and violate more to tweak my experience.
Feel free if I can provide any help / support from here.

HyperTension said:
Again, a heart-felt thank-you, and I really look forward to learning a new process on a completely different platform. I continue to eagerly await a streamlined process, especially one that I can learn from, and violate more to tweak my experience.
Feel free if I can provide any help / support from here.
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I would just replicate what's been done in other android devices' forums: A ROM Bible and a Complete Rooting How-To, and get 'em both stickied. Check out the Dream forum for good examples. I would help if asked

Good point
rynosaur said:
I would just replicate what's been done in other android devices' forums: A ROM Bible and a Complete Rooting How-To, and get 'em both stickied. Check out the Dream forum for good examples. I would help if asked
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I will search XDA tonight, and provide links to "help" guides in either the first post *edited* or make a new thread. Good point, no need to re-invent the wheel. However, a sticky thread in this particular forum is probably needed.
Thanks,

Thanks for making a thread like this. Even though this is my first smart phone, I have a good amount of experience with similar things so I've picked up on most of it relatively quickly.
I was able to obtain a beta copy of the recovery flash tool from hanging around the IRC chat and was able to get my ClockworkMod Recovery up and running.
I have one question about nandroid though; I was able to backup the majority of my files but when it gets to the final step of backing up sd-ext it gives me a message saying "No sd-ext found" and that it cannot be backed up. What exactly is the sd-ext and is it essential to have backed up before I start installing ROMs?

JTCGiants56 said:
I have one question about nandroid though; I was able to backup the majority of my files but when it gets to the final step of backing up sd-ext it gives me a message saying "No sd-ext found" and that it cannot be backed up. What exactly is the sd-ext and is it essential to have backed up before I start installing ROMs?
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It means you don't have an ext format partition and thus it wasn't backed up. Which is exactly how it should be right now.

heavensblade23 said:
It means you don't have an ext format partition and thus it wasn't backed up. Which is exactly how it should be right now.
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Thanks for clearing that up.

JTCGiants56 said:
"No sd-ext found"
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Better get us a Spoiler and find out if your source was running CM5.0.7/8 or Froyo on their DI -- "sd-ext" is the new way (via Cyanogen) of doing/mounting apps2sd

Don't think so. Koush wrote the recovery, koush works on cm. Probably wrote into the recovery,nandroid, to look for it and back it up. Notice that his didn't find anything?
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dreamersipaq said:
Don't think so. Koush wrote the recovery, koush works on cm. Probably wrote into the recovery,nandroid, to look for it and back it up. Notice that his didn't find anything?
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Of course, that's the problem, a recovery that presupposes the CM way of ext-fs/apps2sd presupposes someone was using a ROM that requires it otherwise, that recovery isn't recommended AT ALL, because nandroid, fix permissions, etc all look to the wrong place for ~/app, /app-s, ~dalvik, etc . . . non-CM/pre-5.0.x ROMs do things differently with EXT, if at all. See what I'm getting at?

Eh, say what you will...
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Of course, that's the problem, a recovery that presupposes the CM way of ext-fs/apps2sd presupposes someone was using a ROM that requires it otherwise, that recovery isn't recommended AT ALL, because nandroid, fix permissions, etc all look to the wrong place for ~/app, /app-s, ~dalvik, etc . . . non-CM/pre-5.0.x ROMs do things differently with EXT, if at all. See what I'm getting at?
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I love what koush has done with the Cyan port... So if his recovery works best with it, then so be it.... Though if he could update the recovery to look for both places that's be great too

dreamersipaq said:
I love what koush has done with the Cyan port... So if his recovery works best with it, then so be it.... Though if he could update the recovery to look for both places that's be great too
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I know Firerat over on Dream is good at writing switches to make appropriate exceptions for different SPLs, apps2sd and partitions schemes. If push come to shove we could ask him for suggestions. And I awfully concerned because A) I don't like modding without nandroids and B) I prefer Amon-RA's recoveries and his options for CM5/non-CM Roms

New Thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709220
This can be closed or locked.

just rooted my stock 2.1 using unrevoked 3.21, what next?

Im still on 2.1, 1.39, my phone will not do OTA 2.2, says its already up to date but its not...I rooted using unrevoked 3.21, so now I'd like to know if there is any other files I need to update, radio, etc.
My goal is to upgrade to 2.2, so if anyone can direct me now that im rooted as to what else I need to update and how can I update to 2.2 I would greatly appreciate it, and keep in mind my phone is not doing OTA, so I will need to do it some other way.
On another note, if I select a custom 2.2 rom, will this already include everything I need, or do I need to 1st upgrade to 2.2 then find a 2.2 rom? I guess my confusion is are 2.2 roms "compatible" with 2.2 phones, or do 2.2 roms already include everything.
Thanks in advance

Post in the correct section
From the fade

Sporkman said:
Post in the correct section
From the fade
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How about some help instead.

jontorres said:
How about some help instead.
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Im not trying to be a ****, but... Read any of the links on this forum.. they are 80-90% about what your asking..
also, I would recommend a RUU to TOTALLY wipe your phone..

Food for thought.
I agree with both of the members who just posted to your reply.
Reading the stickies would be helpful instead of wasting space on the "Development" forums for your "Questions".
I believe that it's ignorance that we do not like, not questions from newbies.
..you should "search" the forum here for flashing the Hboot .76 so you are FULLY ROOTED.
If you already have done this then you can click onto these threads you see and decide for yourself on a 2.2 ROM that you like and flash it.
Remember, you should have the correct radio and wimax flashed as they have updated since 2.1.
Additionally, you should READ all the instructions and do it step-by-step before you flash anything.
Last but not least of importance, make a NAND back up before you do ANYTHING. (have Amon Ra 1.8 custom recovery; will have saved an image of your phone+wimax partition).
If anything goes wrong, go back to recovery and NAND restore.
*Read first and do not be lazy. - Everything you need is already documented. This is not a QA forum but you can find it by going back one step and looking for Q&A.
Good luck.

Thread moved to the Q&A.
@jontorres,
Unfortunately, the other members are correct. You posted in the wrong section. For questions or comments not related to development, please post under Q&A or under General. This will save you a lot of flaming.
There are many stickies, but since you already rooted your device, simply download Rom Manager from the Market, download any rom you want (I can recommend myn TwoPointTwo) and flash it using Rom Manager.
There is also a whole section with themes and apps that you can browse. For questions regarding said apps or themes, either post in the corresponding thread or simply in the Q&A.
@Sporkman,
Please refrain from calling people names (referring to your "lazy" comment in case you are wondering)

shawnathan9 said:
I believe that it's ignorance that we do not like, not questions from newbies.
..you should "search" the forum here for flashing the Hboot .76 so you are FULLY ROOTED.
If you already have done this then you can click onto these threads you see and decide for yourself on a 2.2 ROM that you like and flash it.
Remember, you should have the correct radio and wimax flashed as they have updated since 2.1.
Additionally, you should READ all the instructions and do it step-by-step before you flash anything.
Last but not least of importance, make a NAND back up before you do ANYTHING. (have Amon Ra 1.8 custom recovery; will have saved an image of your phone+wimax partition).
If anything goes wrong, go back to recovery and NAND restore.
*Read first and do not be lazy. - Everything you need is already documented. This is not a QA forum but you can find it by going back one step and looking for Q&A.
Good luck.
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At least you offered more help, however, its not IGNORANCE.
I HAVE already searched, unfortunatley alot of these threads are from someone like myself who "asked" a question, which in turn received HELP, however we all have different questions and although they may appear the same sometimes they are and sometimes they are not.
In my case I already rooted my phone as mentioned on my 1st post, and my question was simple and did not warrant all this nonsense:
My question was quite simple:now that im rooted, do i need to update any radios or other files, and do the 2.2 roms "already" contain the core 2.2 software "or" are they simply "compatible" with a phone which already "is" 2.2.
See none of you actually read between the lines at my quesation, you simply assumed Im asking the same question everyone else has already asked, so the same way you guys tell me to "read" 1st, I also suggest read my question properly.
As a matter of fact I even pointed out an issue with my phone to help in receiving a more accurate answer, because on another forum some moron said "do the OTA" and he failed to read that i clearly mention my phone says its already updated and nothing to update, YET it is clearly 2.1.
But anyways, apparently when you ask for help around here it obvious if your a newbie you just get smart remarks.

jontorres said:
At least you offered more help, however, its not IGNORANCE.
I HAVE already searched, unfortunatley alot of these threads are from someone like myself who "asked" a question, which in turn received HELP, however we all have different questions and although they may appear the same sometimes they are and sometimes they are not.
In my case I already rooted my phone as mentioned on my 1st post, and my question was simple and did not warrant all this nonsense:
My question was quite simple:now that im rooted, do i need to update any radios or other files, and do the 2.2 roms "already" contain the core 2.2 software "or" are they simply "compatible" with a phone which already "is" 2.2.
See none of you actually read between the lines at my quesation, you simply assumed Im asking the same question everyone else has already asked, so the same way you guys tell me to "read" 1st, I also suggest read my question properly.
As a matter of fact I even pointed out an issue with my phone to help in receiving a more accurate answer, because on another forum some moron said "do the OTA" and he failed to read that i clearly mention my phone says its already updated and nothing to update, YET it is clearly 2.1.
But anyways, apparently when you ask for help around here it obvious if your a newbie you just get smart remarks.
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The unfavorable remarks aren't because you're new, don't worry about that.
The safest way to be sure that your phone was completely up to date was do all OTA's before you rooted, since Unrevoked 3.21 is capable of rooting and nand-unlocking even the most current software on the EVO.
It is not necessary for you to be on the most current baseband radio or PRI, but a lot of people on here like to be the most up to date. Pros are that in general you'll get a better battery life (due to a more reliable radio connection) and better 3G speeds (questionable).
Also, your question is not simple, as I am not clear what you are talking about.
do the 2.2 roms "already" contain the core 2.2 software "or" are they simply "compatible" with a phone which already "is" 2.2.
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What does that mean? What software? Also, stop using unnecessary quotation marks. I don't think you're using the right terminology, but I'll guess at what you want:
If you mean the radios, bootloaders, etc, then NO. ROMs contain only the operating system and possibly the kernel. Everything else is lower level stuff that you'll have to update via the appropriate PC36IMG.zip file. You'll need to search those out in the Development forums.
You can run a 2.2 ROM on outdated basebands and PRIs.
Honestly, you seem a little too frustrated with the free help you ask for on here. If you realize your mistakes, apologize, and move on you'll find the community here a little more receptive to your needs and slightly more willing to help you out.
I know the search feature may be a little complex, so don't be afraid to google your questions first.

[Q] {Q} ClockworkMod

now im coming from many other android related phones but what i remember most that may help....ima test this but i remember ClockworkMod Recovery being used for MT3GS.......we go into our stock recovery; click update.zip (which was the clockwork recovery) and it would boot up a recovery mode that way; has anyone attempted this?
....Just a thought towards root or atleast custom recovery

s0xpan said:
now im coming from many other android related phones but what i remember most that may help....ima test this but i remember ClockworkMod Recovery being used for MT3GS.......we go into our stock recovery; click update.zip (which was the clockwork recovery) and it would boot up a recovery mode that way; has anyone attempted this?
....Just a thought towards root or atleast custom recovery
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The way I understand is the locked or bug in NAND will not allow for a recover. It removes all SU permissions on reboot.

Big Dawg 23 said:
The way I understand is the locked or bug in NAND will not allow for a recover. It removes all SU permissions on reboot.
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i feel as if if we can get into fastboot and do modifications that way (thanks Modaco) why cant we go even further to be that a means of rooting; with appropriate scripts? why is it people are like *sigh* i have no root but i have temp root.......nand locked but i can do **** with android actually open; what if there was a way to initiate visionary on run.....before actual loading the os like the steps as
power on > visionary/turn into custom recov or custom boot like magldr is supposed to be> os?

This thread can't be serious.
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unforgiven512 said:
This thread can't be serious.
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so it cant be serious because i have an idea? that can help speed up the development for your phone? thanks guy

s0xpan said:
i feel as if if we can get into fastboot and do modifications that way (thanks Modaco) why cant we go even further to be that a means of rooting; with appropriate scripts? why is it people are like *sigh* i have no root but i have temp root.......nand locked but i can do **** with android actually open; what if there was a way to initiate visionary on run.....before actual loading the os like the steps as
power on > visionary/turn into custom recov or custom boot like magldr is supposed to be> os?
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Have you contributed anything to the G2 root effort? Some of the best Android hackers are working to root this phone; in fact many of the same ones who came up with the method you posted in your first post.

im actually attempting but with any type of movement requires a brainstorming; so i was literally brainstorming outloud......i cant help if my ideas have been thought of you kno

There's a thinktank thread, it was posted there, it won't work.
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Not trying to be rude, but present some facts. Try it out. Show us the code. Explain your findings. And present your idea in a clean, intelligent, organized manner. That means capital letters. That means punctuation. That means use the space bar.
I agree with, I'd say, ~90% of the other users here. All the useless crap in this forum is doing absolutely nothing towards getting actual development accomplished.
Mods: Please lock and/or delete this thread. Also, I apologize for wasting an entry in the SQL database. =P
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well i have an idea; ima pursue it the clockwork mod has been proven to not work so ima attempt ; ima get this working even though i dont have contact with too many devs working on this phone

s0xpan said:
well i have an idea; ima pursue it the clockwork mod has been proven to not work so ima attempt ; ima get this working even though i dont have contact with too many devs working on this phone
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Haha good luck. People keep posting about what should be done yet have no idea what actually goes on to do any of this stuff. It isn't as simple as "making" it, you have to know HOW to make it. Please go to the think tank thread.

thinktank thread is good but the WIKI is even better. I just wish it was updated more often -- but anyway this thing has everything short of #g2root irc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Intro
READ THIS REALLY F*CKING CAREFULLY --- it is great reading. If you have ideas after reading it (i said read it dont glance it dont masturbate on it just read it as if it was your last will and testament) and then speak up.

Look not to rain on ur parade buddy but in order to do that on the mts you first had to install the enginering img to the phone that allows unsigned packages. Now since we have a copy of the eng img for the g2 (we as in the devs not me) and the phone will not let you downgrade to it so therefore the mts way of loading a custom recovery won't work. I traded in my mts to get my g2.

androidcues said:
thinktank thread is good but the WIKI is even better. I just wish it was updated more often -- but anyway this thing has everything short of #g2root irc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Intro
READ THIS REALLY F*CKING CAREFULLY --- it is great reading. If you have ideas after reading it (i said read it dont glance it dont masturbate on it just read it as if it was your last will and testament) and then speak up.
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Wow, I didn't even know this existed. Thanks mate!
As for OP, post this in the thinktank thread. Why did you bother making your own thread? You only had an idea, which is what the other thread is for. If you had tried it out and had success, then it may be a different story.

Don't post stuff here unless you get permission

[Q] Backing up ROM, Deleting NAND, etc. etc.

Hey guys, so I have a quick question. I'm new to this android things. I know I should read more, but as the threads are just overloading..i find it hard sometimes to find the answers to everything.
Can anyone tell me how to backup ROMs, like I wanted to try the evil's rom but i currently have the baconbits. So I want to backup this ROM just incase i dont like the other evil's rom or any kind of ROMs. And perhaps, how to flash my old ROM back into my phone, when i decide i dont like a particular ROM.
Also, what is NAND? why is everyone deleting these?
Any help would be appreciated guys. Thank you in advance.

I'm pretty new to all of this as well. If you install rom manager there is an option to backup current rom. As for the NAND I'm not 100% sure (correct me if I'm wrong anyone that knows) its a security feature that will not allow you to write anything permanently to the phone.

Your post kinda brushes on my question... What do you mean people are deleting the nand? I have been wondering about getting the full 4GB internal space but haven't seen any mention of it since Perm Root became available.

There's a thread in the development forum; can't remember the full name but it's got [RECOVERY] and Clockwork in the name. Follow the instructions in there and that will allow you to back up and flash ROMs. Any questions you may have are probably answered there but feel free to ask in that thread if you run into problems.
NAND is the internal storage of the phone. I'm not sure what you mean by people "deleting" it, because that hasn't been any intention. There is a sort of block on it that prevents us from accessing all 4GB of the storage; that's where the complaints of only seeing 1.1x GB of available storage are stemming from. The developers will probably eventually find a way to remove those partitions and allow full access; maybe that's what you're referring to?
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Your post kinda brushes on my question... What do you mean people are deleting the nand? I have been wondering about getting the full 4GB internal space but haven't seen any mention of it since Perm Root became available.
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It's only been a day since root; just like we gave the devs time for that, we'll give them time for the NAND. There hasn't been any progress, I believe. Fortunately, 1+GB is still a crapton
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EfemaN said:
There's a thread in the development forum; can't remember the full name but it's got [RECOVERY] and Clockwork in the name. Follow the instructions in there and that will allow you to back up and flash ROMs. Any questions you may have are probably answered there but feel free to ask in that thread if you run into problems.
NAND is the internal storage of the phone. I'm not sure what you mean by people "deleting" it, because that hasn't been any intention. There is a sort of block on it that prevents us from accessing all 4GB of the storage; that's where the complaints of only seeing 1.1x GB of available storage are stemming from. The developers will probably eventually find a way to remove those partitions and allow full access; maybe that's what you're referring to?
It's only been a day since root; just like we gave the devs time for that, we'll give them time for the NAND. There hasn't been any progress, I believe. Fortunately, 1+GB is still a crapton
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I see. I think I'm getting it a little more now. Now I've read somewhere about, backing up NANDROID? Could you explain this for me? And what are the benefits? Thanks for thelp guys. I really appreciate it!
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EfemaN said:
The developers will probably eventually find a way to remove those partitions and allow full access; maybe that's what you're referring to?
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Ya thats what I was wondering about. I'm not too too worried about it because I don't have much on the internal, but would be nice. I hate that they advertised 4GB when buying the phone, yet thats ridiculously hard to actually unlock...

I would also like to know about this nandroid backup. I've seen people backing roms with rom manager but then when they try to revert to the backup they can't because they didn't make a nandroid backup.
What is the difference and how do I know if I'm making a nandroid backup or a just plain backup. Is there any other way to make a backup besides rom manager?
I also have seen the name "Amon Ra" being tossed around in the forums. What is this aside from a rom manager like app? I see people wanting the Amon Ra over rom manager. I personally have had no luck backing up my rom with rom manager. Where can we track the progress of Amon Ra? Thanks.

Amon Ra is the moniker for a gentleman named Bart. Clockwork and Amon Ra are recoveries. They have diff. flavors but are basic recoveries. Clockwork is most popular with cyanogenmod. Clockwork is made by Koushik Dutta.
Both are excellent recoveries and if you feel your recovery is broken simply keep flashing it until you only wait five seconds or so forth when u use rom manager to flash. If it takes a while the first time keep flashing until the time to flash is reduced to a few moments. This reinforces the recovery.
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Clockworkmod Recovery?

I did some forum searching & Googling but I'm not able to find a reliable, working method of getting CWM recovery on the Note II. I want to keep the stock ROM, but not the stock recovery. I'm rooted with stock recovery right now.
Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

look harder. Perhaps find a thread talking about root in the at&t noteII general forum.

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look harder. Perhaps find a thread talking about root in the at&t noteII general forum.
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"look harder"? That doesn't help me much. I used that "search in this forum" feature, where I typed in "clockworkmod" and came up with no results. A threat talking about rooting doesn't necessarily mean it will discuss CWM (I also checked the thread here for information on CWM, since that's the root method I used, but no dice). Not really sure which thread you want me to play hide & seek with.

Sorry to say but the person who responded to you is right... look for a thread that contains root for the note II

Really? You want to root your phone, but you are incapable of following simple directions? I did everything but give you a direct link to the thread. I told you which forum, which subforum, and a keyword to look for in the thread title.
If you aren't able to handle it, please DO NOT root your device and please DO NOT install a non-stock recovery.

Edit...im sorry guys...I want to keep this place pleasant and friendly.
I googled it and found it here and on the site I quoted.

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Here...I dont want to to see this forum to go to $***. Consider this my last spoon feed for the week.
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Fine - YOU support him if/when he screws it up.

Lets see if I even get a thanks... from the OP.
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Nevermind...youre right Gary...I shouldn't do it.

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Really? You want to root your phone, but you are incapable of following simple directions? I did everything but give you a direct link to the thread. I told you which forum, which subforum, and a keyword to look for in the thread title.
If you aren't able to handle it, please DO NOT root your device and please DO NOT install a non-stock recovery.
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No one is forcing you to help me, if you are going to be rude just kindly ignore me and move on. Also I don't need you to worry about my device, I can handle it just fine.

Android.Addiction said:
No one is forcing you to help me, if you are going to be rude just kindly ignore me and move on. Also I don't need you to worry about my device, I can handle it just fine.
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Which part about my post is rude? I think you might be misinterpreting...
I'm very serious that if you are unable to find the post with the information you want based on the instructions I gave, that you have a high risk of screwing up your phone by flashing stuff on it. That's not being rude. That's trying to be helpful. Asking you to PLEASE not flash your phone is so I (and others like myself) don't have to spend the time trying to help you fix your phone afterwards (and so you don't have to spend the time asking for that help.)
Not everything on these forums is spelled out and spoon-fed to users. It's assumed that they have a certain amount of innate ability and prior knowledge. Lack of that ability and knowledge results in broken phones. I'm trying to help someone like that in another thread - they flashed the wrong thing to their phone and now, basically, they are screwed.
Granted, I might not come off as "newbie friendly" or even "user friendly." I'm an engineer. I'm one of the folks that make the things that people like you flash. For some reason people like me don't usually come off as being "nice."
I'm going to try (again) to be nice. Here's a link to a post I think it'd be good for you to read. This post tries to explain in a different way what I'm trying to say here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
I suspect that if/when you understand that post, you'll better understand my replies.
take care and good luck
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Thanks, it's sometimes hard to read tone on here, so i apologize for any misunderstandings.
I think i have a really bad time finding information, not because I'm a newbie at flashing, but probably more so due to the fact that development in this phone is so fresh, there isn't much information to centralize yet. But once i find the information i need i can usually handle the work involved.
I ended up finding the post you were talking about (well, i can only assume). Unfortunately i didn't find a walkthrough or step by step instructions. But at least i know a better place to find the information.
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Does it have to be cwm? Because for rooting, chainfire has cf root. And for recovery, twrp already supports our device. It's all in the original development sub forum. Won't be hard to find either. Those two things are the only threads existent there for now
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AlonB. said:
Does it have to be cwm? Because for rooting, chainfire has cf root. And for recovery, twrp already supports our device. It's all in the original development sub forum. Won't be hard to find either. Those two things are the only threads existent there for now
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Actually, that's a good idea. I had used the CWM Recovery originally on my i317, but found that when I tried to restore a backup I made with it, that nothing was actually restored. TWRP, on the other hand, seems to work okay backing up and restoring.

garyd9 said:
Actually, that's a good idea. I had used the CWM Recovery originally on my i317, but found that when I tried to restore a backup I made with it, that nothing was actually restored. TWRP, on the other hand, seems to work okay backing up and restoring.
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Twrp has come a long way. To be fully honest, I kinda hated it at first, I don't even have a clue why, since I didn't try it prior to forming those feelings about it. But then I actually got to flash it, after some self convincing, on my s2 lte and it grew on me very quickly. And now, I prefer it over cwm
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If you need exFAT then use CWM which comes with CF_root which you can find the Original Dev forums. Use Odin,click on PDA then select the CF-Root.*.att file. It's that easy.
One thing about TWRP is that it doesn't support exFAT formatted SDCards, so if you have a 64GB like most folks on here & need exFAT for larger than 4GB file size, then CWM is the only way to go.

I think i may just wait a bit until more options become available. I don't need it right away. I'd rather sick with CWM since that is what I'm familiar with.
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Android.Addiction said:
I think i may just wait a bit until more options become available. I don't need it right away. I'd rather sick with CWM since that is what I'm familiar with.
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That's entirely up to you. Although I would suggest giving twrp a go, even just to try it out. My favorite features in it are the option to name your backup in recovery prior to creating it, and the fact that it actually does things faster than cwm
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