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I am currently rooted with Unrevoked 3 and want to finish the full root with NAND unlock. My plan is to use netarchy's 2.2 ROM and 3.7.6 kernal as I do not want to lose the FPS fix (been using it on 2.1 and LOVE it!!)
Anyway, there are a lot of different methods out there to root and I am trying to determine which method is going to be sucessful following Unrevoked 3 and will not be overly complex. I would appreciate any input.
I am assuming that I will lose all my settings/programs/etc so I should do a complete backup first? I have MyBackUp Pro which I have used before but I am open to suggestions for a better method.
Thanks
Alto101 said:
I am currently rooted with Unrevoked 3 and want to finish the full root with NAND unlock. My plan is to use netarchy's 2.2 ROM and 3.7.6 kernal as I do not want to lose the FPS fix (been using it on 2.1 and LOVE it!!)
Anyway, there are a lot of different methods out there to root and I am trying to determine which method is going to be sucessful following Unrevoked 3 and will not be overly complex. I would appreciate any input.
I am assuming that I will lose all my settings/programs/etc so I should do a complete backup first? I have MyBackUp Pro which I have used before but I am open to suggestions for a better method.
Thanks
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Did you ever get an answer to this? I'm in the same situation and what to determine the best solution.
I finally got my hands on an evo with 2.1 update 1 and have read about every method out there. Wich rooting method should I start with if I want full root?
Sent from Evo 4g
energizer1389 said:
I finally got my hands on an evo with 2.1 update 1 and have read about every method out there. Wich rooting method should I start with if I want full root?
Sent from Evo 4g
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some people use simpleroot.. the most 'foolproof' way in my opinion, is toast's method.. just make sure you do part 1 and 2 ( it should be in wiki ).. 1 does root, 2 does nand unlock.
energizer1389 said:
I finally got my hands on an evo with 2.1 update 1 and have read about every method out there. Wich rooting method should I start with if I want full root?
Sent from Evo 4g
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This thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761307
In particular this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7780604&postcount=2
And for more detail, this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7780857&postcount=6
This will allow root access and unlocked NAND without downgrading the PRI or otherwise messing with your system. Everything will be the same, save for root access and unlocked NAND. (what the people of this forum have decided to call "full root" for... err... still confused on the reason for this stupid term).
So it sounds like unrevoked forever is the recommended method for getting full root after rooting with Unrevoked3. My issues is I'm having trouble flashing certain roms with just Unrevoked3. From what I've read not all roms can be flashed with Unrevoked3. I want to try a different root method, but I don't want to screw anything up. It seems like Unrevoked Forever is the best option at this point, but seems kind of extreme. Does anyone agree or disagree?
I've already downloaded forever on my phone...just waiting to get the courage to install it.
ohseedee said:
I've already downloaded forever on my phone...just waiting to get the courage to install it.
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I used Unrevoked Forever and didn't have a single issue. I've flashed a number of ROMs since then, and still no problems. I'm currently running Baked Snack 1.3 with Netarchy's latest kernel and Clockwork. Hope this helps you with your fear.
Sent from my Baked EVO via the XDA app.
onewaycourt said:
I used Unrevoked Forever and didn't have a single issue. I've flashed a number of ROMs since then, and still no problems. I'm currently running Baked Snack 1.3 with Netarchy's latest kernel and Clockwork. Hope this helps you with your fear.
Sent from my Baked EVO via the XDA app.
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There is no difference between the recovery unrevoked3 installs and one installed by flashing an image after using the leaked ENG bootloader.
Some roms had problems with the unrevoked3 exploit because it did not unlock NAND and they made the assumption that NAND was unlocked. With unrevoked forever (or, if you wish to lose your 1.40 PRI, the leaked ENG bootloader), this is no longer an issue.
+1 for Unrevoked Forever. Unrevoked 3.1 + Unrevoked Forever worked flawlessly on my phone. You can even flash the ENG bootloader as a separate package if you want, so that you have the fastboot commands without downgrading the PRI.
The only downside is that there is currently no way to completely undo Unrevoked Forever. If you have to get the phone replaced, a tech who knows what he's doing could easily tell that you've rooted your phone.
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+1 for Unrevoked Forever. Unrevoked 3.1 + Unrevoked Forever worked flawlessly on my phone. You can even flash the ENG bootloader as a separate package if you want, so that you have the fastboot commands without downgrading the PRI.
The only downside is that there is currently no way to completely undo Unrevoked Forever. If you have to get the phone replaced, a tech who knows what he's doing could easily tell that you've rooted your phone.
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Thanks for the info. Yeah I'm a little worried about the lack of undo, but I have Sprint's insurance on the phone so I guess I could always get it replaced (+ deductible). I think I'm going to do the Forever method.
Can someone explain to me the difference between unrevoked 3 and unrevoked forever? I have read the entire unrevoked site, and searched, and it seems that unrevoked 3 does essentially the same as forever, in that, it seems that forever used to do nand unlock and be a permanent root, and unrevoked wasn't, but now they seem to be the same exact thing. I just ran unrevoked3 on an evo with the latest OTA update on it. Can someone please explain to me what the limitations of this root are compared to unrevoked forever, or even a more traditional rooting method? I still just don't get it, and this is coming from someone who rooted a G1 an a N1, and ran CM on both, and flashed recoveries, and did it through ADB.
I'm curious about this too. It does sound like Unrevoked 3.2 basically includes Unrevoked Forever.
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I'm curious about this too. It does sound like Unrevoked 3.2 basically includes Unrevoked Forever.
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you are correct its like a combination of unrevoked 2 and unrevoked forever. full root, nand unlock included
I never used forever but my understanding is that forever is not full root. It just turns s off and gives you the ability you flash zips through hboot.
unrevoked = standard root + recovery
unrevoked forever = SOFF (meaning security is turned off at the radio and you can forever flash any valid rom/update even if you do an OTA that removed root and/or recovery, just flash a new amon/clockwork).
I believe that the latest unrevoked does include/run unrevoked forever also, but if you already rooted and have a custom recovery, you can simply flash the unrevoked forever directly.
from what i gather unrevoked forever lets you do OTA and you just reflash Su and your recovery
Do i still need to put the forever or does the 3.21 update already cover that?
because i have tried to install the forever file and it cant read it in recovery mode.
it keeps telling me it cant update and cant find anything.
i have renamed the .zip file to update.zip but that didnt seem to work.
should i unzip the file and put on the SD card?
i mean i have no idea on what to do anymore.
plus i have done this on my brothers incredible also,which works for evo and incredible.
and i dont plan to use my phone(evo) if it doesnt work out.
do i still need to update my radio or does the unrevoked 3.21 already cover that also?
because it seems to be up to date still.
any suggestions?
need major help.
1) Slow down.
2) Tell us, clearly, what you're trying to accomplish.
3) Tell us what recovery, ROM/Version you are running.
Caspers25 said:
Do i still need to put the forever or does the 3.21 update already cover that?
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Unrevoked 3.21 does NOT contain Unrevoked forever.
Unrevoked forever works at a lower-level than other rooting utils/procedures.
It works at the "radio" level. As such, other utils do not affect it.
Meaning; once applied, it remains applied - even after applying a new ROM.
Things that MAY affect Unrevoked forever, include a STOCK reflash.
Other than that, S-OFF will most always remain applied.
Caspers25 said:
because i have tried to install the forever file and it cant read it in recovery mode.
it keeps telling me it cant update and cant find anything.
i have renamed the .zip file to update.zip but that didnt seem to work.
should i unzip the file and put on the SD card?
i mean i have no idea on what to do anymore.
plus i have done this on my brothers incredible also,which works for evo and incredible.
and i dont plan to use my phone(evo) if it doesnt work out.
do i still need to update my radio or does the unrevoked 3.21 already cover that also?
because it seems to be up to date still.
any suggestions?
need major help.
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HTH
--Chris
I'm trying to get a nand unlock and nand backup but I don't know how and what to do.
I cant backup my rom in rom manager.
I need to know if unrevoked 3.21 has forever in it.
It won't work on my recovery it any find the file, it can't seem to find the update. Can you me flash the forever. Zip on my recovery? Need help.
Sent from my HTC EVO
Caspers25 said:
I'm trying to get a nand unlock and nand backup but I don't know how and what to do.
I cant backup my rom in rom manager.
I need to know if unrevoked 3.21 has forever in it.
It won't work on my recovery it any find the file, it can't seem to find the update. Can you me flash the forever. Zip on my recovery? Need help.
Sent from my HTC EVO
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Some say Unrevoked 3.21 does have nand unlock, and permanent S-OFF -
in fact, their website says so.
I recently Used Unrevoked 3.21 - the "new, and improved" version. But upon
completion w/o error. My phone didn't indicate S-OFF. So I downloaded/installed
Unrevoked forever. Now it indicates S-OFF.
I'm not sure that the Nandroid backup procedure will perform as complete a
backup as you would ideally want/need. It depends a great deal how you "sync"
your personal data. It may be in your best interest to use something like
Titanium backup, as well as Nandroid backup, just to be safe.
There are a lot of threads in the forums regarding problems related to flashing.
So your best insurance is always the best backup you can perform -
even if it is a somewhat redundant one (you can never be too sure).
Can you me flash the forever.
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In all honesty, I can't remember the exact proceedure for this.
Best advice: Go back to their website, and follow the directions.
HTH
--Chris
I can't find the directions.
But bank the for years help.
Can you tell me how to do a nand backup? Because I have no idea how to do so.
I even need help to get free wifi tethering!
How can I get unrevoked forever. It won't work, it can read the update. How can I get unrevoked forever on my phone?
Sent from my HTC EVO
unrEVOked 3.21 did indeed permanently set S-OFF for me without any problems.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G rooted with unrEVOked 3.21, NAND unlocked, S-OFF & running Fresh 3.3.0.1, netarchy kernel 4.1.9.1 cfs, Amon RA recovery 1.8.0.1
How did you get nand unlock? And how did your kernel and romantic you're using? Show me? Haha
Sent from my HTC EVO
Rom sorry typo
Sent from my HTC EVO
Can someone please explain clearly the difference between Unrevoked 3 (.22) and Unrevoked Forever (for EVO use).
I've read both Wiki's and it seems, for the EVO, that both permanently give root, unlock NAND, and s-off.
If I root with Unrevoked 3, what exactly would be the reasoning for flashing Forever?
Please answer specifically for EVO use.
Thanks
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sweet...
sent from my bad-ass EVO!
Unrevoked forever achieves S-OFF, which means, even if for some reason you become "unrooted" (such as accepting an OTA) you can always go to recovery and flash a rooted rom. S-OFF is a somewhat permanent NAND unlock.
Unrevoked 3.22 includes the forever flash after the root process, however, I have noticed sometimes it doesn't flash properly, so anyone using unrevoked 3.22, should verify they are S-OFF in bootloader. If you are still S-ON, then download and flash the unrevoked forever .zip until you get S-OFF.
Thanks, but its just hard for me to believe that the whole point of Forever is "just in case" you don't achieve s-off with 3.22. It has to do something extra right?
What is this stuff I've been reading that its not permanent... or is this just old info. When I read the 3.22 wiki it says that it "now" achieves root as of 3 whereas before it did not.
sent from my bad-ass EVO!
generalExpert said:
Thanks, but its just hard for me to believe that the whole point of Forever is "just in case" you don't achieve s-off with 3.22. It has to do something extra right?
What is this stuff I've been reading that its not permanent... or is this just old info. When I read the 3.22 wiki it says that it "now" achieves root as of 3 whereas before it did not.
sent from my bad-ass EVO!
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Well forever was released after other root methods. So people who rooted either manually or simple root or whatever.. won't have S-OFF, unrevoked were the first to come out with that, and the forever .zip download, lets those people have it too.
Old versions of unrevoked did not reach permanent nand unlock so you'll read a lot of old stuff about how unrevoked isn't a "full root", but now with forever, it does.
Ok, so by rooting with Unrevoked 3 I don't need to flash Unrevoked Forever, right? Because now with version 3 I achieve the same things that Forever does??...
Is this correct.
sent from my bad-ass EVO!
I rooted with unrEVOked 3 and have S-OFF so you should be fine.
generalExpert said:
Ok, so by rooting with Unrevoked 3 I don't need to flash Unrevoked Forever, right? Because now with version 3 I achieve the same things that Forever does??...
Is this correct.
sent from my bad-ass EVO!
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In theory yes, as I stated, unrevoked 3.xx has included the forever flash, but you just need to double check that it all went through, there have been many reports (in the IRC chan, and my own experience with a replacement EVO) that people are rooted but not S-OFF after finishing unrevoked 3.xx.
VDub2174 said:
I rooted with unrEVOked 3 and have S-OFF so you should be fine.
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As above.
op-put simply, do the unrevoked3.xx to root your phone. if you get s-off in the process then good no need to do anything else. if you still got s-on then you need to run unrevoked forever. simple as that. just because it worked for someone else does not mean that it will work for you. just do it and then verify it is nand unlock.
OK, just rooted my EVO for the 2nd time ever. Went pretty easy. However, I was using Ubuntu 10.10 64bit and it took a minute to figure out how to run the reflash program as a root user. I did get some errors about the radio not being supported and update failed. After a reboot I noticed that I did not have s-off but did have the ClockworkMOD recovery and the superUser Permission app. So, I ran unrevoked forever and viola I now have s-off (and the unrevoked splash screen). I see now why this is useful, just wondering why I had errors with my radio version.
Code:
unrEVOked forever S-OFF patch v1.1
Verifying system type...
E:unsupported radio version
E:Update failed. Check /sdcard/soff.log.
E:Error in /data/local/unrevoked-forever.zip
(Status 42)
Installation aborted.
Failure at line 1:
install_zip DATA:local/unrevoked-forever.zip
Why the **** won't UnrEVOked 3.32 ****ing run on my Windows XP and EVO??? WHAT THE ****???
HTC Sync is NOT installed
USB debugging is enabled
What the **** am I missing here?
Did you install the driver from the help section?
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Did you install the driver from the help section?
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No... and I totally did read that! Crap! Thanks, hopefully that will be why...
So I would assume I just need to run the .exe file with the phone turned booted back up?
I hope I Don't have to redownload everything...
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Well forever was released after other root methods. So people who rooted either manually or simple root or whatever.. won't have S-OFF, unrevoked were the first to come out with that, and the forever .zip download, lets those people have it too.
Old versions of unrevoked did not reach permanent nand unlock so you'll read a lot of old stuff about how unrevoked isn't a "full root", but now with forever, it does.
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Using the engineering bootloader, like simple root did, has unlocked the NAND (s-off) since day one. Unrevoked just figured out a way to do it with other bootloader versions
Even more questions of whether I'm truly rooted or not...
First time posting although I've been lurking for quite a while so hopefully I don't get flamed out of here on my first attempt.
First I did root my Evo using unrevoked 3, all seemed to go well and correctly as I ended up with S-OFF, superuser app, etc. I created a backup and everything, (still running stock Sense ROM.) Do I need to try using Unrevoked Forever now?
I started reading posts about backing up RSA keys and WiMAX partitions etc and when I connected the phone (yes usb debugging and charge only); opened a command prompt and browsed to the ADB directory I never get the # confirming I have root access. (I only get the $)
Now from what I'm reading Clockwork mod backs up the WiMax anyway but I still wanted to walk through the process to get more familiar with it. I guess my first question is do I really need to back up the partition and keys if I have a successful nandroid backup?
Also I installed root check and the under the basic setting it said I had no root access, and then under the advanced setting it said I did.
I tried installing Ti backup and clicking under problems to install busy box thinking that may be the problem, but I don't see the setting it describes there where I can change to install busybox.
Finally I also downloaded the busybox installer. It gives two options of where to install it in either /system/bin/, or /system/xbin/....does it matter? Will installing it this way be ok or do I need to push through ADB? If I need to push through ADB then obviously I need to get my # root access figured out.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can try and help me make heads or tails of this situation.
Radio: 2.15.00.11.19
Software Number : 3.70.651.1
Hardware Version: 0003
HBoot: 2.10.0001
I am new to rooting a phone and have read count less threads on this site. First I have to say that this is one of the best forums I have come across. My first question I have decided to use the Universal Auto Root method found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448
First I want to stay with the Stock Evo Rom for now, not the Sprint Lovers Rom. Is there a way to not flash that rom using UAR or can I just Flash the Stock rom back after I have rooted the phone. If I have to flash the stock rom back then can someone point me in the right direction for a tutorial with the stock rom. I have modded other things besides phones and have no problem reading to find the answers. Most people that have problems just say "Oh I will root my phone today" and do not do the research before hand and in up with a paper weight. I have been read for about a week now and am just now getting to where I understand parts of the process.
Smurph82 said:
I am new to rooting a phone and have read count less threads on this site. First I have to say that this is one of the best forums I have come across. My first question I have decided to use the Universal Auto Root method found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448
First I want to stay with the Stock Evo Rom for now, not the Sprint Lovers Rom. Is there a way to not flash that rom using UAR or can I just Flash the Stock rom back after I have rooted the phone. If I have to flash the stock rom back then can someone point me in the right direction for a tutorial with the stock rom. I have modded other things besides phones and have no problem reading to find the answers. Most people that have problems just say "Oh I will root my phone today" and do not do the research before hand and in up with a paper weight. I have been read for about a week now and am just now getting to where I understand parts of the process.
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I'm not familiar with that root method, so I'm not sure if there's a way to bypass the flashing of SpringtLovers, although I'd assume there is a way. Any time I've ever used Unrevoked to root, it never touched the ROM. After using Unrevoked, all the apps I previously had are still there and its on the same ROM. The only differences are that the bootloader will be S-off, you'll have clockwork recovery flashed, and you'll have the Super User app. With all that said, Sprint Lovers is about the exact same thing as stock, as far as I can tell. I flashed it on my girl's phone, because she liked her stock rom. The only differences are I noticed are very subtle, such as the battery indicator having the % value in it, the wireless tether app being added, and I believe it's deodexed. (and probably a few other things, maybe some optimizations and stuff) But as far as looks, it's identical to a stock ROM.
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I'm not familiar with that root method, so I'm not sure if there's a way to bypass the flashing of Spring Lovers, although I'd assume there is a way. Any time I've ever used Unrevoked to root, it never touched the ROM. After using Unrevoked, all the apps I previously had are still there and its on the same ROM. The only differences are that the bootloader will be S-off, you'll have clockwork recovery flashed, and you'll have the Super User app. With all that said, Sprint Lovers is about the exact same thing as stock, as far as I can tell. I flashed it on my girl's phone, because she liked her stock rom. The only differences are I noticed are very subtle, such as the battery indicator having the % value in it, the wireless tether app being added, and I believe it's deodexed. (and probably a few other things, maybe some optimizations and stuff) But as far as looks, it's identical to a stock ROM.
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You're correct, the only thing unrevoked does is root your phone and roots your current rom, in this case, stock with root access. So OP, I think you may want to use unrevoked for this case.
I have read that Amon Ra is better than clockwork recovery that was the main reason I was thinking of the UAR. Weird thing is that my system just finished a virus scan and it said that the UAR had something called Lotoor in it. Now I don't that I will download it. Is there a way to use unrevoked and then put Amon Ra on it. Better yet I have read that the Toast method is good but I have not found it in a tutorial. Is there one available. If I use unrevoked then how do you get clockwork removed and install Amon Ra.
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I have read that Amon Ra is better than clockwork recovery that was the main reason I was thinking of the UAR. Weird thing is that my system just finished a virus scan and it said that the UAR had something called Lotoor in it. Now I don't that I will download it. Is there a way to use unrevoked and then put Amon Ra on it. Better yet I have read that the Toast method is good but I have not found it in a tutorial. Is there one available. If I use unrevoked then how do you get clockwork removed and install Amon Ra.
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Flash the file attached in the bootloader. Apply update, reboot, and then reboot back into recovery and you'll be on amon_ra 2.3. The amon_ra recovery is inside it, no needc to rename or extract the file.
teh roxxorz said:
Flash the file attached in the bootloader. Apply update, reboot, and then reboot back into recovery and you'll be on amon_ra 2.3. The amon_ra recovery is inside it, no needc to rename or extract the file.
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Yup, like teh roxx said, you can use Unrevoked, then change to Amon Ra. And yes, Amon Ra is better (in my opinion). You can change recoveries any time you want, you could try them both out and see which works better for you if you wanted to. If you do run Unrevoked, just be sure that you remove htc sync, that you install the hboot drivers, and that you have no programs on your pc running that can talk to your phone (htc sync, pda net, easytether, doubletwist etc etc) and you also want to disable your anti virus when you run it, as that can also interfere.
Ok just so I get this straight first. The easiest way to do this would be to first use Unrevoked v3.32 to get root. Then go into recovery and with that image in the root of the sd card and update the phone with it. Then reboot and I would have Amon Ra installed after that. Would the affect unrevoked from working by changing from clockwork to Amon Ra. After I ran unrevoked would I need to run the unrevoked forever as well.
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Ok just so I get this straight first. The easiest way to do this would be to first use Unrevoked v3.32 to get root. Then go into recovery and with that image in the root of the sd card and update the phone with it. Then reboot and I would have Amon Ra installed after that. Would the affect unrevoked from working by changing from clockwork to Amon Ra. After I ran unrevoked would I need to run the unrevoked forever as well.
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After using unrevoked, you boot into the bootloader, the white screen with the androids skating boarding to flash the file, not recovery, and then reboot. And no, changing recoveries after using unrevoked won't affect it, and yes, you would flash the forever zip in recovery after doing the previous steps.
Last question I promise because it is getting late here and I am not going to do this right now maybe tomorrow, well later today. Does running Unrevoked give you a full root. I have read that a full root is where the nand is unlocked and that gives you the ability to run nandroid to back up your phone. Also To remove root if I ever needed to go stock again do I uninstall unrevoked or to I install the lastest RUU from Sprint, and if so where to find them.
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Last question I promise because it is getting late here and I am not going to do this right now maybe tomorrow, well later today. Does running Unrevoked give you a full root. I have read that a full root is where the nand is unlocked and that gives you the ability to run nandroid to back up your phone. Also To remove root if I ever needed to go stock again do I uninstall unrevoked or to I install the lastest RUU from Sprint, and if so where to find them.
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Unrevoked give you root, but flashing the unrevoked forever gives you the nand unlock. And to unroot, you flash the S-ON tool, then you flash the lastest RUU for you hboot, in this case, 3.70.
Smurph82 said:
Last question I promise because it is getting late here and I am not going to do this right now maybe tomorrow, well later today. Does running Unrevoked give you a full root. I have read that a full root is where the nand is unlocked and that gives you the ability to run nandroid to back up your phone. Also To remove root if I ever needed to go stock again do I uninstall unrevoked or to I install the lastest RUU from Sprint, and if so where to find them.
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Unrevoked does give you full root, nand unlocked. Full root capabilities. Nandroid backups and restore galore. To unroot, you flash the unrevoked s on tool with recovery. Then run RUU. That's it. Nice and simple.
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Smurph82 said:
Last question I promise because it is getting late here and I am not going to do this right now maybe tomorrow, well later today. Does running Unrevoked give you a full root. I have read that a full root is where the nand is unlocked and that gives you the ability to run nandroid to back up your phone. Also To remove root if I ever needed to go stock again do I uninstall unrevoked or to I install the lastest RUU from Sprint, and if so where to find them.
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http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/194918-rooting-dummies.html
this thread is very helpful for the unrevoked method, and yes unrevoked gives you full root including nand
k2buckley how did you get your details and specs in your post. I looked for somewhere to add them but I could not find them anywhere.
teh roxxorz said:
Unrevoked give you root, but flashing the unrevoked forever gives you the nand unlock. And to unroot, you flash the S-ON tool, then you flash the lastest RUU for you hboot, in this case, 3.70.
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Actually, Unrevoked unlocks NAND, too. Honestly, I don't know what the difference it between Unrevoked and Unrevoked Forever, but the regular Unrevoked turns "s" off, too. I've rooted two Evo's within the past month with the regular Unrevoked, and "s" was off and I flashed custom roms and all on both of the phones.
From the unrevoked website:
"unrevoked3 will permanently unlock NAND write protection by default on the following phones"
"unrevoked forever is a tool to set your Android phone's security level to S-OFF."
I've wondered what the difference is between one and the other for a good while now.
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k2buckley how did you get your details and specs in your post. I looked for somewhere to add them but I could not find them anywhere.
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Go into the "user CP" and edit your signature.
rugedraw said:
Actually, Unrevoked unlocks NAND, too. Honestly, I don't know what the difference it between Unrevoked and Unrevoked Forever, but the regular Unrevoked turns "s" off, too. I've rooted two Evo's within the past month with the regular Unrevoked, and "s" was off and I flashed custom roms and all on both of the phones.
From the unrevoked website:
"unrevoked3 will permanently unlock NAND write protection by default on the following phones"
"unrevoked forever is a tool to set your Android phone's security level to S-OFF."
I've wondered what the difference is between one and the other for a good while now.
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Well yes, it does give you nand unlock, but if you don't flash the forever zip, you won't be able to make the system changes, like changing the splash screen.
From the site: "unrevoked forever is a tool to set your Android phone's security level to S-OFF. The security level is a flag stored on the radio; when the flag is S-OFF, the bootloader (HBOOT) will no longer check the signatures of firmware images before flashing them. This allows custom firmware images to be uploaded, including unsigned boot, recovery, splash1, and hboot images (as well as official images that have been modified). When the system is S-OFF, the NAND flash memory protection is also reduced; this allows all partitions (including /system) to be written to while the operating system is booted."
teh roxxorz said:
Well yes, it does give you nand unlock, but if you don't flash the forever zip, you won't be able to make the system changes, like changing the splash screen.
From the site: "unrevoked forever is a tool to set your Android phone's security level to S-OFF. The security level is a flag stored on the radio; when the flag is S-OFF, the bootloader (HBOOT) will no longer check the signatures of firmware images before flashing them. This allows custom firmware images to be uploaded, including unsigned boot, recovery, splash1, and hboot images (as well as official images that have been modified). When the system is S-OFF, the NAND flash memory protection is also reduced; this allows all partitions (including /system) to be written to while the operating system is booted."
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Hmmm....so on the phones I used Unrevoked3 on, I will not be able to push/flash a splash screen onto it? I still don't quite understand the difference, but thanks for your input. I obviously still have A LOT to learn. lol
I keep seeing where people are using something called the Toast method to root their phone. Is that where you do everything from the command line. I bet a lot of people don't even remember the command line haha. Is there really any difference between the two (Unrevoked and Toast). What about security. Does rooting with Unrevoked have any back doors or anything like that. I don't mean to offend anyone just asking the question, I think that all the work people put into things like this are great. I work in high security areas and this is always on my mind. If I install something like Lookout Mobile Security could that mess with the phone being rooted. You all are great.
rugedraw said:
Hmmm....so on the phones I used Unrevoked3 on, I will not be able to push/flash a splash screen onto it? I still don't quite understand the difference, but thanks for your input. I obviously still have A LOT to learn. lol
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Yea, it'll tell you no permissions, ect. And if you used unrevoked, to flash a splash is slightly different than the standard method, and I can tell you if you want to know. The unrevoked, goes to a low level to unlock those permissions.
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I keep seeing where people are using something called the Toast method to root their phone. Is that where you do everything from the command line. I bet a lot of people don't even remember the command line haha. Is there really any difference between the two (Unrevoked and Toast). What about security. Does rooting with Unrevoked have any back doors or anything like that. I don't mean to offend anyone just asking the question, I think that all the work people put into things like this are great. I work in high security areas and this is always on my mind. If I install something like Lookout Mobile Security could that mess with the phone being rooted. You all are great.
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Well i started using the toast method, but it didn't work for me, since when I got my Evo 2.2 JUST came out, and people were scrambling blah blah, I digress. And what do you mean by backdoor? If you root using unrevoked you get all the same permissions/benefits of rooting as those with the toast method. And using a program like lookout security wouldn't affect your phone at all.
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I keep seeing where people are using something called the Toast method to root their phone. Is that where you do everything from the command line. I bet a lot of people don't even remember the command line haha. Is there really any difference between the two (Unrevoked and Toast). What about security. Does rooting with Unrevoked have any back doors or anything like that. I don't mean to offend anyone just asking the question, I think that all the work people put into things like this are great. I work in high security areas and this is always on my mind. If I install something like Lookout Mobile Security could that mess with the phone being rooted. You all are great.
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I used Toast's Part 1 & 2 method to root back in June mainly because it was the only thing available. It was not a noob friendly process, IMO, but it worked and my phone is still rooted to this day using his method. Also, it forced me to learn a few things that I wouldn't have had I had Unrevoked at my disposal.
However, I believe Toast's methods are outdated now as the current Evo software and hboots require different exploits to obtain root.
teh roxxorz said:
Yea, it'll tell you no permissions, ect. And if you used unrevoked, to flash a splash is slightly different than the standard method, and I can tell you if you want to know. The unrevoked, goes to a low level to unlock those permissions.
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Thanks, man.....I always see you on here helping people out and you are an asset to the XDA community. However, I Unrevoked the phones for some people that wanted wireless tether and screen shots......they could care less for the splash screens. Plus, I'm sure I can Google it and figure it out if it comes down to it. Mainly, I was asking for the knowledge as to "why" more than "how", and I think I follow now.
Your help is much appreciated, though.