Just for me to understand a litte bit more all this, what's the difference beteween ClockworkMod recovery and the default one?
At first i used ClockworkMod recovery with the update.zip but now i just unlocked Nand and left the default recovery and flash a custom ROM without problem.
I was wondering the same thing. I've used both, and see little difference except that clockwork is integrated into rom manager. I just have both, but have the default one with the NAND install. I still use clockwork from ROM manager.
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I was wondering the same thing. I've used both, and see little difference except that clockwork is integrated into rom manager. I just have both, but have the default one with the NAND install. I still use clockwork from ROM manager.
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I don't use ROM manager, so i guess i'm ok with the default one.
usb toggle on default recovery. Didn't see it on Clockwork's.
Off the top of my head...
Pros:
- Clockwork allows you to install from a zip file from within a folder structure, AN EXCELLENT FEATURE!
- Management of NAND backups in phone
- Rom Manager. Bridges Andorid OS and Recovery process thus allowing the following two pros...
-- Instantly name and set backup process which reatsrts phone, creates backup and restarts phone into normal boot.
-- Automatic NAND backup scheduling
Cons:
- Past versions of Clockwork I have used on the Hero always had issues with SD Card EXT when doing NAND backups. Since we do not have A2SD yet for EVO, I do not know if that issue was ever resolved, so it might become an issue for those that will be using A2SD in the future.
Overall: Since I am not using A2SD (and probably won't with the EVO), I enjoy what Clockwork has to offer greatly. Not to mention the ability to see what roms and updates are available in one conveient package integrated from Android OS to the Recovery via Rom Manager
Ceger
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usb toggle on default recovery. Didn't see it on Clockwork's.
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I think it is under the Partition menu. Anyways, it is there.
Ceger
They also do nandroids differently (at least they did on the hero) so one nandroid is not compatible with the other. Pick one and stick with it. The ROM Manager makes it worth it for me (esspecially with the devs posting to it ^_^)
yea i think im going with clockwork hell i paid for the app so i should use it lol
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Ceger said:
Off the top of my head...
Pros:
- Clockwork allows you to install from a zip file from within a folder structure, AN EXCELLENT FEATURE!
Ceger
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Ah yes. I do recall that... it is a nice feature.
thecodemonk said:
They also do nandroids differently (at least they did on the hero) so one nandroid is not compatible with the other. Pick one and stick with it. The ROM Manager makes it worth it for me (esspecially with the devs posting to it ^_^)
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Currently I use both. The only "downside" I see is the update.zip on the /sdcard root.
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Currently I use both. The only "downside" I see is the update.zip on the /sdcard root.
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You don't need that anymore. You can permanently replace recovery with clockwork.
Not sure I followed this thread...
...was the question...what is difference between clockwork and nand backups?
Because that is my question. I have done two nand backups thinking that is what I was supposed to be doing. I just noticed ALSO have a clockwork backup. That one must have been made while I was rooting.
So I have two nands from when I was making changes...because everyone says..."make a nand backup before blah blah blah". Now...
...are the two interchangeable? So if someone tells a noob to make a nand backup...could they mean a Clockwork or a Amon-Ra as well? Are they all just backups and you use the one you remember to use?
So...right now...I want to go back to way my phone was three days ago...I have a nand backup.
Do I...boot into recovery (vol_dwn/power) and then go to Recovery and then restore from my nand? I only saw one thing listed...but looking on computer it seems that was folder and folder has two items in it. (Assuming that means I'll have a chance to choose when I click on it.)
Please help clear up the confusion and tell me if my nand plans are incorrect.
Okay, first timer here and I have a few questions. I just completed rooting my phone via Simple Root. My build number is now 1.17.651.1.
My questions are as follows:
1) Now that I am rooted, what installation files can I delete from my SD Card?
2) I see that I need to do a recovery flash, do I do this immediately? What one do you recommend?
3) After I do the flash, are there any others files I need to install before I do a custom rom?
4) Which custom rom do you recommend?
5) Am I leaving anything else out that I forgot?
Thank you so much in advance!
SHicks18 said:
Okay, first timer here and I have a few questions. I just completed rooting my phone via Simple Root. My build number is now 1.17.651.1.
My questions are as follows:
1) Now that I am rooted, what installation files can I delete from my SD Card?
2) I see that I need to do a recovery flash, do I do this immediately? What one do you recommend?
3) After I do the flash, are there any others files I need to install before I do a custom rom?
4) Which custom rom do you recommend?
5) Am I leaving anything else out that I forgot?
Thank you so much in advance!
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After you have rooted you can delete nearly anything you want, I wouldn't suggest doing it because I doubt you know what to do. But you do have the freedom to..
I would suggest you flash a recovery as soon as possible. It makes life easier. The two most common recovery are Amon Ra And clockwork.. I use amon Ra just because it had a better wipe feature but clockwork is used in rom manAger (look in to it).
After rooting you can look into upgrading your radio and your wimax and your kernal.
Custom roms are like sneakers, They all have different purpose and size. The most common ones are damagedcontrol and fresh. Do your research and experiment and find your sneaker. You can also just wait til the official stable cm6 comes out. For now I use fresh.
Try oUt some themes and different apps that are for rooted devices only. And there us always something neiw to do with your evo.
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I am in the same boat as OP. I managed to make my way through SimpleRoot. But I am having a heck of a time digging through the forums to figure out what to do next. I feel like kind of an idiot, but I have no idea how to set up my backup/recovery "amon ra" right? And then I'd like to install the rooted 1.47 build and update my radio and wimax. Any direction would be VERY appreciated.
Thanks for the reply. Mind pointing me in the right direction for the radio kernel and wimax?
I'm new to this too. Read up a lot first. Easy root looks to make it pretty easy, but I learned more doing it the hard way. Used the two part method in dev section, by toast I think, with adb, nand unlock and all. Helps to understand the odd file structure, and what different parts do. You have to try things too, and just hope you don't f up. Using cm6 now and its pretty cool. Have fun man.
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Liked he said read. And do a lot of it. Last thing you want is to brick your phone
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gangsterholla179 said:
I would suggest you flash a recovery as soon as possible. It makes life easier. The two most common recovery are Amon Ra And clockwork.. I use amon Ra just because it had a better wipe feature but clockwork is used in rom manAger (look in to it).
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What's wrong with Clockwork's wipe feature?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734564&highlight=clockwork
Also, as for flashing a recovery, if you install ROM Manager from the market, it will give you an option to flash either Clockwork or Amon RA. It will stay there even if you flash new ROMs later, though there's a quirk where a new ROM Manager install will ask you to flash recovery, but then if one is already there it won't really change it, it just needs to see it to believe it.
Installing new files won't make a difference if you switch ROMs. It wipes your data when you re-flash, so you'll lose it all anyway (unless you back up your apps with Titanium Backup or MyBackup). All you need is a recovery installed - and I actually recommend Clockwork, but only because I use it myself and I have no problems with it - and you can reboot into it, install a new ROM, and start playing. I've never flashed from ROM Manager, even though it gives the option, but I imagine it does the same thing, but runs it automatically after a recovery reboot.
Read the "favorite ROM" thread with the poll attached, lots of good ROM recommendations in there. I'll say it once more: I'm using Fresh 1.0.1 and netarchy's 3.7.3c kernel (Fresh-compatible version). It's so fast and smooth.
If you like your current setup but want to try a new ROM, use ROM Manager (or Clockwork as a recovery reboot) to do a Clockwork backup. That way you can return to your current state if you want to. It's basically a system image that you can restore.
Here's one helpful page to start with.
And have fun.
Back on fresh 0.5.3, clockwork was not doing a great job with the wipe, causing the boot to loop. I believe it wasn't completely wiping the dalik cache.
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cans ome one tell me how to do it, i remeber trying a while back and it never worked, i mnight have made a mistake, i cant even find the threads for it, partially because i have a splitting headache and partially because it is so damn hot in my room i need to leave. please and thank you.
p.s. i did search for about 7 minutes, between the tempature and the fact that so much has the words clockwork and amon in it its just to much right now.
The easiest way is probably to download ROM Manager onto your phone. It may ask you to install ClockworkMOD again, but that's fine. Once that's done, scroll to the bottom of ROM Manager and select 'Flash Alternate Recovery' or something like that and that will install Amon_RA 1.8.0 onto your phone. Afterwards, you can remove ROM Manager since that only works with ClockworkMOD.
is there any noticable difference, and how will i know its done correctly i thought i tried this once...
mine says no alt. recovery available
Did ROM Manager ask you to flash ClockworkMOD again or no? At the very top of RM, you can try to install ClockworkMOD again and that might allow to you flash alternate recovery. Otherwise, here's the thread for Amon_RA 1.8.0.
[Recovery] [28-August-2010] RA-evo-v1.8.0
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Did ROM Manager ask you to flash ClockworkMOD again or no? At the very top of RM, you can try to install ClockworkMOD again and that might allow to you flash alternate recovery. Otherwise, here's the thread for Amon_RA 1.8.0.
[Recovery] [28-August-2010] RA-evo-v1.8.0
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im using the rom cm6.1.1 it had it on there already so no. however im going to restore to 6.1 because this rom is constantly rebooting itself and getting stuck in bootloops....****.
but yes ill let u no in a few minutes
i flahsed over to an old sense virus rom, i installed rom manager however it didnt ask to redownload clockwork, and i scrolled down to look at the flash alternative recovery, its still grey but this time it has amon ra 1.8 under it but still grey
please feel free to direct me to any threads I might have missed - there is sooo many on here...
I have spent the last 2 to 3 weeks reading forums & articles (mostly from xda here once I found it or sites linked from here). I think I have a lot of things down and I even attempted to start my first root but after trying to use the adb shell I could not get a response from my phone. after reading and re-reading I determined that my EVO needs a factory reset before this will work (have not done this as of yet). I even confirmed this on another thread with someone else having a similar problem.
but before I dive in again I thought it wouldn't hurt to sign up here and ask questions (even repetitive dumb ones to some I'm sure) & get input. thanks for any help in advance.
and to let everyone know a little about me - I work on computers for a living and have for quite a few years now so I am alright with technical things and electronics. (more of a hardware guy but I install software & OS's etc.) I have flashed many motherboards also which flashing the phone sounds similar.
ok so on to my questions (these are in no order either just as I remember them)
as I said flashing a phone sounds similar but it sounds like there is approximately 4 different things to flash? is that right? a ROM, a recovery tool, you're wimax partition/key (might be saying this one technically wrong), and a kernel?
is a recovery tool (which is Amon_RA or clockwork - is that right to?) completely necessary? is there a stock version? also the HBOOT is just the boot loader right? nothing to do with the recovery tool if I understand correctly.
if necessary I want to use the Amon_RA from what I have read to. do I need to download and flash this separately? I thought I read it was part of the ROM package but I can not find where I read that at right now.
btw - I have saved all my phones info (software & hardware versions) if that would help with answers
before I go further I will try to keep it brief and give some information as to what I would like (I have read those threads to so I am pretty sure about this for now) - I am looking to go with the latest SprintLovers ROM. well I would actually luv gingerbread but I'm not ready for anything to "not" work. if I understand this correctly SprintLovers should have everything stock and be unlocked. I want what I have now including my 4G (I didn't see 4G listed as not working for this ROM) to work but I want what Sprint is keeping me from taking advantage of to - all the goodness built into Froyo but mainly full non-restricted wired & wireless tethering. I have also decided to go with the deodexed (sp?) version to have everything possibly necessary.
this will take up more room though on the built in memory right?
another question arises from the above - is it not possible to just root my phone and then continue using my stock ROM? or is the stock sprint ROM also locked in some manner to some degree (like being odexed if I understand the meaning correctly)? where I would not be able to use/install apps that require a rooted device
let's see
oh yes about doing a NANDROID backup - from everything I have read it seems like this backup occurs after the rooting AND flashing of a new ROM to the phone - am I right about this? if so that means I am just backing up my NEW ROM I just flashed? and not the stock one I had from the factory? if so is there no way to backup the stock ROM? or is that just completely unnecessary and being paranoid on my end as I have read about unrooting and using a stock RUU which I guess would be the same thing my phone has right now?
is it possible to just backup the wimax partition - root my phone - flash the SprintLovers ROM and be done without flashing a kernel or the wimax partition? (is that the right order?)
as for the kernel I have read many threads on that to and would just like to continue using the stock kernel for now.
one the threads I am going by and planning to follow is...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045
but I do have a question - the instructions under "Lets Get Rooted!"
- well it states to push two files to the phone - PC36IMG.zip & PC36IMG-MR.zip then goes on to instruct on renaming the first to PC36IMG-ENG.zip and renaming the second to PC36IMG.zip and flashing both - why is this? what does MR stand for? I am guessing that is not 2 ROMs is it? if it is why would that be necessary? on that thread it also says he is using the SprintLovers ROM but if I go to the SprintLovers ROM thread the instructions there don't mention flashing PC36IMG.zip twice. the download I followed from the SprintLovers thread only linked me to download one PC36IMG.zip also (which I downloaded).
lastly (i think), how does my phone know to keep it's phone number or that it is still a sprint device and that it should talk to sprint to make phone calls and such? is that built in somewhere else or another part of the built in memory that does not get flashed?
thanks again to anyone and everyone who has time to help me. feel free to point me in the right direction if you have read my post and feel I am misunderstanding something. i look forward to learning some more & finally getting my phone rooted.
(sorry about the huge post & if I posted this in the wrong spot)
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thegh0st said:
please feel free to direct me to any threads I might have missed - there is sooo many on here...
I have spent the last 2 to 3 weeks reading forums & articles (mostly from xda here once I found it or sites linked from here). I think I have a lot of things down and I even attempted to start my first root but after trying to use the adb shell I could not get a response from my phone. after reading and re-reading I determined that my EVO needs a factory reset before this will work (have not done this as of yet). I even confirmed this on another thread with someone else having a similar problem. (factory reset is NOT needed to root)
but before I dive in again I thought it wouldn't hurt to sign up here and ask questions (even repetitive dumb ones to some I'm sure) & get input. thanks for any help in advance.
and to let everyone know a little about me - I work on computers for a living and have for quite a few years now so I am alright with technical things and electronics. (more of a hardware guy but I install software & OS's etc.) I have flashed many motherboards also which flashing the phone sounds similar.
ok so on to my questions (these are in no order either just as I remember them)
as I said flashing a phone sounds similar but it sounds like there is approximately 4 different things to flash? is that right? a ROM, a recovery tool, you're wimax partition/key (might be saying this one technically wrong), and a kernel?
(technically, you don't need to flash any of these to have root. You can use Unrevoked to obtain root and keep the stock rom, kernel and recovery. Do NOT mess with flashing anything for your Wimax UNLESS you absolutely have to; meaning it doesn't work)
is a recovery tool (which is Amon_RA or clockwork - is that right to?) completely necessary? is there a stock version? also the HBOOT is just the boot loader right? nothing to do with the recovery tool if I understand correctly.
(with a customer recovery, it will make things like flashing and creating NAND back-ups much easier. Download ROM Manager (I suggest the premium version), and once you have root with Unrevoked, you can flash either clockwork or Amon recovery using this app. Please remember if you create a NAND back up with Amon, you can only restore it with Amon recovery and vice versa)
if necessary I want to use the Amon_RA from what I have read to. do I need to download and flash this separately? I thought I read it was part of the ROM package but I can not find where I read that at right now.
(some roms may include a customer recovery, yes. However, you will need root AND an unlocked boot loader (meaning "s" is off or you have the engineering hboot) to flash a custom rom that would include a custom recovery.)
btw - I have saved all my phones info (software & hardware versions) if that would help with answers
before I go further I will try to keep it brief and give some information as to what I would like (I have read those threads to so I am pretty sure about this for now) - I am looking to go with the latest SprintLovers ROM. well I would actually luv gingerbread but I'm not ready for anything to "not" work. if I understand this correctly SprintLovers should have everything stock and be unlocked. I want what I have now including my 4G (I didn't see 4G listed as not working for this ROM) to work but I want what Sprint is keeping me from taking advantage of to - all the goodness built into Froyo but mainly full non-restricted wired & wireless tethering. I have also decided to go with the deodexed (sp?) version to have everything possibly necessary. (tethering is controlled by the kernel. If the Sprint Lover's rom is based off of a stock kernel, wireless tether will NOT work. You would need to flash a custom kernel that would allow for that.)
this will take up more room though on the built in memory right?
(not sure)
another question arises from the above - is it not possible to just root my phone and then continue using my stock ROM? or is the stock sprint ROM also locked in some manner to some degree (like being odexed if I understand the meaning correctly)? where I would not be able to use/install apps that require a rooted device
(yes, you can just root the stock rom and keep that.....a lot of people prefer it this way. It will be odexed, but you can find a deodexed version of the stock rom on here if it means that much to you.)
let's see
oh yes about doing a NANDROID backup - from everything I have read it seems like this backup occurs after the rooting AND flashing of a new ROM to the phone - am I right about this? if so that means I am just backing up my NEW ROM I just flashed? and not the stock one I had from the factory? if so is there no way to backup the stock ROM? or is that just completely unnecessary and being paranoid on my end as I have read about unrooting and using a stock RUU which I guess would be the same thing my phone has right now?
(no....you are backing up your current rom so you can go back to it should you get some kind of error while flashing the new rom)
is it possible to just backup the wimax partition - root my phone - flash the SprintLovers ROM and be done without flashing a kernel or the wimax partition? (is that the right order?)
(yes, you can root with Unrevoked Forever which gives you root and changes your hboot to s-off and then flash the Sprint Lovers rom without a kernel....again, don't mess with the Wimax unless it gets borked and you have to.)
as for the kernel I have read many threads on that to and would just like to continue using the stock kernel for now. (if you want wireless tether, a stock HTC kernel will not work. Again, depending on the kernel that comes on the rom you choose, you may or not be able to use this feature.)
one the threads I am going by and planning to follow is...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045
but I do have a question - the instructions under "Lets Get Rooted!"
- well it states to push two files to the phone - PC36IMG.zip & PC36IMG-MR.zip then goes on to instruct on renaming the first to PC36IMG-ENG.zip and renaming the second to PC36IMG.zip and flashing both - why is this? what does MR stand for? I am guessing that is not 2 ROMs is it? if it is why would that be necessary? on that thread it also says he is using the SprintLovers ROM but if I go to the SprintLovers ROM thread the instructions there don't mention flashing PC36IMG.zip twice. the download I followed from the SprintLovers thread only linked me to download one PC36IMG.zip also (which I downloaded).
(That thread is from November and very outdated. Do NOT try any of that because it will not work. Go here http://unrevoked.com/#evo and read. If you're tech inclined, this will be VERY easy for you to do.) Edit: I see this thread was updated 1/26. However, I am not familiar with this root method, so I prefer not to comment on it. Read, read and read. Also, check which software version your phone has and look for a root method for that particular software. Although I believe that Unrevoked currently works with all software version.)
lastly (i think), how does my phone know to keep it's phone number or that it is still a sprint device and that it should talk to sprint to make phone calls and such? is that built in somewhere else or another part of the built in memory that does not get flashed?
(How does the phone know? I don;t know, but you don't have to worry about this. You do not need to call Sprint and reactivate your phone after rooting or flashing.)
thanks again to anyone and everyone who has time to help me. feel free to point me in the right direction if you have read my post and feel I am misunderstanding something. i look forward to learning some more & finally getting my phone rooted.
(sorry about the huge post & if I posted this in the wrong spot)
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Ok, so TL;DR you are curious about rooting.
The absolute fastest and simplest way to root would be to use Unrevoked, just google unrevoked and read their guide, there is even a video tutorial step by step. Unrevoked has been updated to all versions of the EVO. When you root with Unrevoked, it automatically changes your recovery from the Stock unusable recovery to Clockwork mod 2.6.
When you flash a Rom, it comes already with a kernel, you can choose to change the Kernel but this is not required, Flashing wimax keys is not something you do, what you do is create a backup and this will backup your wimax keys. It is confirmed that Clockwork 2.6 makes a backup of your wimax keys.
You cannot make a backup of your unrooted stock rom, however as soon as you become rooted, you can make a backup of your stock rooted rom. Inregards to Clockwork vs Amon, If you root with Unrevoked you will have clockwork, if you wish to switch Ra recovery, you should follow the step by step instructions in the Ra Recovery thread in the development section.
Sprint Lovers is a Sense rom, which means it is 100% functional, the only 90% roms are AOSP(MIUI, CM, Gingerbread, ect..) if a rom is based on the 3.70 OTA Update it will be a sense rom, and be 100% functional. Before you Flash any rom, ALWAYS go into your recovery and Wipe Data, Wipe Cache, Wipe Dalvik Cache. Perform all wipes twice for best results. In Ra recovery these are all in the front page, in clockwork you need to go to advanced to access the dalvik wipe.
In regards to nandroid, you cannot do this without rooting, Once you root you will have a custom recovery, from inside your custom recovery you will select Nandroid(Clockwork), or Backup/Restore(Ra Recovery), and perform your backup. Both is these recoveries will make a backup of your Wimax keys, Ra Recovery is the only one that lets you select individual items to backup. Please also note, if you make a backup with clockwork it is only good with clockwork, and if you backup with RA it is only good with RA. So if you decide to change recoveries, you must redo your backups.
Your phone keeps its number because the only thing flashing changes is your software, it doesn't change your phones ID numbers that were activated on the sprint network.
Here are some Links for you.
Unrevoked Root Method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895208
Ra Recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026
Sprint Lovers Rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=830153
Again if you are new to all of this, Unrevoked is the fastest simplest method to rooting your phone.
I think you got two very good answers... Unrevoked by far easiest and trouble free rooting procedure IMO out there. I would just flash Amon recovery afterwards.
Also there is a nice program to help with other things called androidcommander.
Backing up your programs you can try MYBAckup
Like said previously no need to back up your rom but look into SPB Backup or Sprite Backup if you are still concerned
I think you have a pretty good handle on the phone stuff and the other answers you got were awesome...(gotta love the xda community!!)
My only gotchas you have to pay attention for are.
1. Having the correct drivers installed to use unrevoked. It is in the tutorials and in the instructions so you should be good
2. Getting the custom recovery (whther clockwork or amon ra) gives you great options to flash new stuff and backup existing installations, keeping backups is your friend!
3. I prefer Amon Ra over clockwork but clockwork is not a bad recovery, it's just preference (there are also certain posts out there that have clockwork being required to use for CM7, this may or may not be the case, I love me some Amon Ra)
4. at the bare minimum wipe cache and davlik in recovery when installing kernels, roms, and what not...I prefer a full wipe when switching between roms but if I'm just upgrading through betas or using the same devs roms I normally don't fully wipe.
5. Use Calkulins Format All.zip to do a full wipe, it just feels safer to use.
6. If something goes wrong don't get discouraged! restoring a nandroid or reflashing a rom will clear things up usually...
7. IMPORTANT - if you install new radios or PRIs or anything like this DO NOT PULL YOUR BATTERY IF IT TAKES A WHILE, just let it work...you will have problems...Using the sprint lovers all in one I feel is the safest route.
Forum advice
1. ignore the unfriendly people on the forums...they have nothing better to do than sit around and wait for people to ask dumb questions and get to use the same cliched links and jpegs to post to your question / thread...
2. Search and read and read and read before posting something that may have been covered.
Hope this helps, feel free to PM me, though I'm nowhere near the geniuses who are on these forums, so I'm closer to you than you think.
thanks for all the answers so far!
I am aware from all the reading and more reading not to mess with the wimax (RSA keys) as for flashing unless it is a last ditch effort to fix 4G. in my OP I just reference them to be sure on my understanding and how I am perceiving things to work. I believe the more I understand (basics, mechanics, etc.) the easier time I will have and the easier to trouble shoot.
oh and I have read and understand to backup the wimax/RSA keys also. that is made really clear in the threads I have read.
also I see everyone is saying to use unrevoked but from what I read here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865204
...I was not really looking to go that way. it states in this thread for the 3rd option "Longer step by step version: - Complicated and more time consuming but easier to troubleshoot" which is the way I would like to go so I understand more and have a better way to trouble shoot. I wouldn't wanna one click and bork with nothing to understand if that makes sense.
now from what I have read SprintLovers ROM has a built in wireless tether I thought so I guess this ROM has it's own kernel then from the information everyone has provided me with so far. is that typical for a ROM to have it's own kernel built and flashed with the ROM the same way some ROM's have their own recovery tool? if so I can live with that.
btw - just in case this helps:
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP s-ON
HBOOT-2.10.0001
TOUCH PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADIO-2.15.00.11.19
OCT 15 2010, 12:07:00
Software information
Android version
2.2
Baseband version
2.15.00.11.19
Kernel version
2.6.32.17-gee557fd
[email protected] #15
Build number
3.70.651.1 CL294884 release-keys
Software number
3.70.651.1
Browser version
WebKit 3.1
PRI Version
1.90_003
PRL Version
60674
Hardware information
Hardware version
0003
- that is my current phone info (oh doh I was going to reference replies but I gotta wait 5 min first)
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now from what I have read SprintLovers ROM has a built in wireless tether I thought so I guess this ROM has it's own kernel then from the information everyone has provided me with so far. is that typical for a ROM to have it's own kernel built and flashed with the ROM the same way some ROM's have their own recovery tool? if so I can live with that.
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A lot of roms come with a 3rd party kernel already built into it. The OP of the thread you got the rom from says (or should say) if and what kernel was baked into the rom. Some devs will even recommend custom kernels that have been tested with their rom.
Tuffgong4 said:
1. Having the correct drivers installed to use unrevoked. It is in the tutorials and in the instructions so you should be good
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see above reply
4. at the bare minimum wipe cache and davlik in recovery when installing kernels, roms, and what not...I prefer a full wipe when switching between roms but if I'm just upgrading through betas or using the same devs roms I normally don't fully wipe.
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this can be done with the stock setup right?
5. Use Calkulins Format All.zip to do a full wipe, it just feels safer to use.
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so I would use this .zip and flash it like you flash a ROM or recovery etc.?
7. IMPORTANT - if you install new radios or PRIs or anything like this DO NOT PULL YOUR BATTERY IF IT TAKES A WHILE, just let it work...you will have problems...Using the sprint lovers all in one I feel is the safest route.
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thanks - good to keep in mind if I ever have to
Forum advice
1. ignore the unfriendly people on the forums...they have nothing better to do than sit around and wait for people to ask dumb questions and get to use the same cliched links and jpegs to post to your question / thread...
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I am usually pretty good at letting the water slide off and I tend to think I won't know things if I don't ask
2. Search and read and read and read before posting something that may have been covered.
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promise I have read a lot!
Good information from everyone...just my two cents:
You can use Wireless Tether with the stock kernel; however, from what I understand you will not be able to use the naitive hotspot.
The link you posted for rooting is my favorite method. It works on HW 0004 and HW 0003, along with HBOOT 2.10
rugedraw said:
A lot of roms come with a 3rd party kernel already built into it. The OP of the thread you got the rom from says (or should say) if and what kernel was baked into the rom. Some devs will even recommend custom kernels that have been tested with their rom.
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thanks! I might have just missed that or forgotten (I will check that thread again) - i've got a jumble of info/things in my mind atm but once I actually do this and the more I do, well that usually straightens things out
1. As for rooting method there are a few but the easiest (at least to me) is unrevoked. Install drivers set your phone to charge only and wait a few minutes, voila! it's rooted.
4. It can be done with a custom recovery
5. Yes you flash it like a regular .zip like a rom or kernel (it's not 100% necessary but I like having it on my sd card and I normally combine it with a wipe from just the custom recovery
Khilbron said:
Ok, so TL;DR you are curious about rooting.
The absolute fastest and simplest way to root would be to use Unrevoked, just google unrevoked and read their guide, there is even a video tutorial step by step. Unrevoked has been updated to all versions of the EVO. When you root with Unrevoked, it automatically changes your recovery from the Stock unusable recovery to Clockwork mod 2.6.
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again see my reply - trying not to use the one click method
When you flash a Rom, it comes already with a kernel, you can choose to change the Kernel but this is not required, Flashing wimax keys is not something you do, what you do is create a backup and this will backup your wimax keys. It is confirmed that Clockwork 2.6 makes a backup of your wimax keys.
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doh! you answered one of my follow up questions right here lol so they do come with a kernel - gotcha! - and from all the reading I have done I understand about the wimax/RSA keys - I believe I read a thread and someone who answered said Amon_RA backs them up to but I will make a manual backup also to be sure
You cannot make a backup of your unrooted stock rom, however as soon as you become rooted, you can make a backup of your stock rooted rom.
In regards to nandroid, you cannot do this without rooting, Once you root you will have a custom recovery, from inside your custom recovery you will select Nandroid(Clockwork), or Backup/Restore(Ra Recovery), and perform your backup. Both is these recoveries will make a backup of your Wimax keys, Ra Recovery is the only one that lets you select individual items to backup. Please also note, if you make a backup with clockwork it is only good with clockwork, and if you backup with RA it is only good with RA. So if you decide to change recoveries, you must redo your backups.
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thanks for all this and the info on what the backups are actually called per recovery - that is some great info - it seems I was correct in thinking I could not do a nandroid without rooting but I could do a nandroid or Amon_RA backup before flashing a ROM & technically a nandroid is the backup term for clockwork. glad to know this and what Amon_RA is called - I mighta been wondering where I messed up going with Amon_RA and not finding a nandroid option.
now you say I will have a custom recovery once I root? but I the reply before yours states I can root and leave everything stock to?
This has helped me too, but I do have a couple extra questions:
1) Root
2) Nand backup using recovery of choice.
3) Flash a ROM
OK, if after #3 I find my 4g is borked and have lost my RSA keys, would flashing the backup made in #2 restore the lost keys correctly?
And, is restoring a Nand backup just like flashing a ROM?
Thanks,
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See my comments in red.
I think I have a lot of things down and I even attempted to start my first root but after trying to use the adb shell I could not get a response from my phone. after reading and re-reading I determined that my EVO needs a factory reset before this will work (have not done this as of yet). I even confirmed this on another thread with someone else having a similar problem. (factory reset is NOT needed to root)
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according the long method (this is the method I would prefer to use) this is required to use z4root (temp root) and get the phone to respond and is supported here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=891674&highlight=z4root - please let me know if I read that wrong or misunderstood
as I said flashing a phone sounds similar but it sounds like there is approximately 4 different things to flash? is that right? a ROM, a recovery tool, you're wimax partition/key (might be saying this one technically wrong), and a kernel?
(technically, you don't need to flash any of these to have root. You can use Unrevoked to obtain root and keep the stock rom, kernel and recovery. Do NOT mess with flashing anything for your Wimax UNLESS you absolutely have to; meaning it doesn't work)
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I was just making sure I understood how things work here - thank you though - and yes I know not to flash wimax/RSA keys - also about unrevoked see my other replies - not looking to use the one click method if possible
is a recovery tool (which is Amon_RA or clockwork - is that right to?) completely necessary? is there a stock version? also the HBOOT is just the boot loader right? nothing to do with the recovery tool if I understand correctly.
(with a customer recovery, it will make things like flashing and creating NAND back-ups much easier. Download ROM Manager (I suggest the premium version), and once you have root with Unrevoked, you can flash either clockwork or Amon recovery using this app. Please remember if you create a NAND back up with Amon, you can only restore it with Amon recovery and vice versa)
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thanks for this information to - very helpful - now about the ROM manager and using it to get a custom recovery I would do this after I get rooted right?
another question arises from the above - is it not possible to just root my phone and then continue using my stock ROM? or is the stock sprint ROM also locked in some manner to some degree (like being odexed if I understand the meaning correctly)? where I would not be able to use/install apps that require a rooted device
(yes, you can just root the stock rom and keep that.....a lot of people prefer it this way. It will be odexed, but you can find a deodexed version of the stock rom on here if it means that much to you.)
as for the kernel I have read many threads on that to and would just like to continue using the stock kernel for now. (if you want wireless tether, a stock HTC kernel will not work. Again, depending on the kernel that comes on the rom you choose, you may or not be able to use this feature.)
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so if root my phone & I stay with stock (ROM & kernel) then I can install some root requiring apps but I wouldn't be able to get tethering? is that right? I don't care if it is sprint's hotspot or an after market app. I just would like one that works
and thank you very much again for all the information and answers!
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Good information from everyone...just my two cents:
You can use Wireless Tether with the stock kernel; however, from what I understand you will not be able to use the naitive hotspot.
The link you posted for rooting is my favorite method. It works on HW 0004 and HW 0003, along with HBOOT 2.10
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thanks! I am definitely not worried about the native built in hotspot - just a wireless tether (and wired) that works - third party/after market - which ever
sounds like something to try at least before completely flashing the ROM
n00bhackin said:
This has helped me too, but I do have a couple extra questions:
1) Root
2) Nand backup using recovery of choice.
3) Flash a ROM
OK, if after #3 I find my 4g is borked and have lost my RSA keys, would flashing the backup made in #2 restore the lost keys correctly?
And, is restoring a Nand backup just like flashing a ROM?
Thanks,
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I am hardly the one to be answering for sure but from all the reading I have done I believe I did read at the very least a couple of times that you rename your backup file as PC36IMG.zip and flash it so I would think it is like just flashing a ROM but we would be flashing our backups.
hopefully someone with more knowledge will answer and confirm our thoughts
as for if that brings the wimax/RSA keys - good question
n00bhackin said:
This has helped me too, but I do have a couple extra questions:
1) Root
2) Nand backup using recovery of choice.
3) Flash a ROM
OK, if after #3 I find my 4g is borked and have lost my RSA keys, would flashing the backup made in #2 restore the lost keys correctly?
And, is restoring a Nand backup just like flashing a ROM?
Thanks,
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Only if you backed up your wimax.img. In Amon Ra's backup you can select Wimax as one of the items to back up during a nandroid. I'm not sure about Clockwork recovery but in Amon Ra's it is not on by default. I created it once and haven't done it again as I have it backed up to my pc.
Yup, would make sure I had everything backed up before I went flashing ROMs. Just want to make sure that I can recover everything using the nand backup (inc Keys) if something flashes wrong.
I live and travel in 4G areas, and don't want to lose that access.
So as I hear it I back up with Clock or RA w/ all options check, and if I needed to restore just rename to PC36IMG.zip and flash on that.
Thanks for the info,
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Yup, would make sure I had everything backed up before I went flashing ROMs. Just want to make sure that I can recover everything using the nand backup (inc Keys) if something flashes wrong.
I live and travel in 4G areas, and don't want to lose that access.
So as I hear it I back up with Clock or RA w/ all options check, and if I needed to restore just rename to PC36IMG.zip and flash on that.
Thanks for the info,
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Actually just do a nandroid restore in the recovery and everything comes back. I have never used the PC36IMG.zip method. I also don't suggest restoring the wimax.img unless you have 4g problems, there is no reason otherwise...I suggest doing the backup and then saving the img in a safe place...
You can do a restore without certain .imgs in it.
Sweet...thanks so much, that just upped my confidence level to root. Needed to know I could and how to restore back to a starting point. Looks like I got a project now for this weekend...Root here I come....
Now I just gotta choose from all the great ROMs out there. Decisions decisions decisions.
My first question is, why does the Incredible need two recoveries? When I came from my other phone, Amon Ra was far superior to CWM and it appears the same with the Incredible, so why do the Devs design everything to work with CWM? Next question is what's the difference? They both are suppose to do wipes,flashes,backups,restores etc etc..so why would one work when dealing with certain ROMs and the other would not?
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My first question is, why does the Incredible need two recoveries? When I came from my other phone, Amon Ra was far superior to CWM and it appears the same with the Incredible, so why do the Devs design everything to work with CWM? Next question is what's the difference? They both are suppose to do wipes,flashes,backups,restores etc etc..so why would one work when dealing with certain ROMs and the other would not?
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It dosen't need two, but choice is good.
There isnt much difference. Cwm is easier to navigate, and has a few more options than amon. Also cwm is needed for rom manager which is a pretty popular app.
Both amon and cwm should work with all roms or mods, but since most devs use cwm when building their mods and roms they sugest you use it too because that way they know it should work since thats their setup. I know the fresh roms for the evo require amon ra for their updater app.
Actually CWM is prevalent over AmonRa on the Incredible...that's why devs design for that. AmonRa is there, yes, but CWM is what (at least as far as I know, I could be wrong, I don't speak for anyone but myself) most people use. Just look at signatures. Most say their recovery is CWM 3.x or 5.x.
I see what you're saying. I never had luck with Rom Manager, and I did use CWM for a while but to me Amon Ra has more options and is way faster. I would think for noobs that CWM would be better. When I first rooted my first phone I used the crap out of Rom Manager lol. Now I don't use that app. Thanks for the input though.