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I've had this battery for several months now and I'm just now starting to wonder why my battery life is so abysmal as compared to others with it. It'll probably last around 18-20 hours a day with about a half hour of music playing through Winamp, JuiceDefender, Lookout, and Tasker running constantly, an 100-800 core clock, and low brightness.
Somehow, I think I should be getting better battery life. It has been similar to this regardless of what ROM I use.
Do you all think it's the battery or just the phone?
Obviously, I'm unable to return it. I would just like to know what others think.
Kanojo said:
I've had this battery for several months now and I'm just now starting to wonder why my battery life is so abysmal as compared to others with it. It'll probably last around 18-20 hours a day with about a half hour of music playing through Winamp, JuiceDefender, Lookout, and Tasker running constantly, an 100-800 core clock, and low brightness.
Somehow, I think I should be getting better battery life. It has been similar to this regardless of what ROM I use.
Do you all think it's the battery or just the phone?
Obviously, I'm unable to return it. I would just like to know what others think.
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POSSIBLE ISSUES:
(Answering these yourself should help pin point the problem just by re-reading your own answers)
- How "old" is the battery?
- What are your min/max CPU frequencies?
- What services are running in the background?
- Did you have this problem on the stock battery?
- What app do you mainly use?
- Does that app drain battery?
Kanojo said:
It'll probably last around 18-20 hours a day with about a half hour of music playing through Winamp, JuiceDefender, Lookout, and Tasker running constantly, an 100-800 core clock, and low brightness.
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With optimal settings and unnecessary ram hogging apps removed, you should be able to get more hours than that on the original battery half the size.
JuiceDefender should be unnecessary and I found it to inhibit me more than it proved useful.
Lookout is neat, and I do like it, but as I don't see a huge need for it I don't have it installed.
My personal favorite task killer is Advanced Task Killer which I use to cleanup my phone before locking it, you know, close the various apps I just opened . However, I have disallowed it from auto-killing, as this has proved detrimental and in vain when services killed generally immediately restart themselves and consume less battery than the auto killing program attempting to kill them.
A good check on certain apps is to go to Manage Applications under Settings and check your running apps. About 1-2 minutes after a good task kill, check to see which apps have restarted. If any you recognize are running that you didn't start, you may consider removing them. Especially anything that tries to access location services.
Edit: Almost forgot, I don't use any widgets except for Task Killer and Power Control. All others drained more battery than I cared for, and this I tested extensively.
Hello all
I'd like to hear from you what battery saver do you use. searching into the market I've found green power, juice defender and so on, but which is (for you of course) the best one?
I'm looking for something that allow me to turn off data connetion when the screen is off and turn it on after a specific amount of time for gmail and other programs notifications.
I'd like to hear your opnion.
thx in advance
regards
As far as I know, Juice Defender would be a good choice.
SetCPU is very nice:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505419
gaddy- said:
but which is (for you of course) the best one?
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Neither.
I tried juice defender and it seemed to use more battery on me. I just use setcpu and turn of only on mobile data in phone settings. data switches of when phone a sleep.
you should install tasker as this can do pretty much anything you can think of.
i run a task that runs each time i unlock my phone and it sets the screen brightness to 15%. this will save alot of battery as the screen is the biggest killer.
nice 8) thanks, I will try!!
cheers
Brivs Mekis said:
i run a task that runs each time i unlock my phone and it sets the screen brightness to 15%. this will save alot of battery as the screen is the biggest killer.
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What about when you are in direct sunlight?
Doing anything manually is not an acceptable solution for me. Only thing that works is editing brightness levels within framework-res.apk which would allow brightness to go under 30% (which is the lowest if backlight on auto).
I have another Tasker task via a dock icon that sets the screen brightness to maximum when I need it. When I receive a call the brightness also goes to maximum automatically.
Thanks brivs
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My battery is draining like CRAZY and i cant seem to find out what the issue is. Ive tried calibration several times and using a task manager that turns off running apps every few seconds(which seemed to make it worse) and that didn't help. Auto updates are turned off and fbook is only set to update every hour and brightness is set to minimum yet my battery only seem to last 8hrs. please help. i would really like to pinpoint what the issue is.
Oh...im running ERA Legendary 2.1, CPU speed and voltages are stock
That screenshot is worthless. It doesn't show anything useful. Percentages are meaningless. Get Betterbatterystats to see what is running as far as processes and partial wakes. Get CPUspy. To make sure your phone is going into deep sleep. Get Memory Booster Lite to see what is using your battery and get rid of the auto task killer. That will kill your battery fast.
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kennyglass123 said:
That screenshot is worthless. It doesn't show anything useful. Percentages are meaningless. Get Betterbatterystats to see what is running as far as processes and partial wakes. Get CPUspy. To make sure your phone is going into deep sleep. Get Memory Booster Lite to see what is using your battery and get rid of the auto task killer. That will kill your battery fast.
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i only posted the screen shot to show the time vs percentage. i already got rid of the task killer and here is a screenshot from better battery stats. idk how to stop the processes though...
Again the percentages mean nothing. In Gingerbread everything goes through Android system so it will always be highest. If you use your phone only an hour or two a day then it will drop to around 60% with cell standby getting higher. They will always add up to 100% whether on a minute or 10 hours.
You didn't post the partial wake locks screen. Also did you check CPUspy for deep sleep? Did you uninstall the autokiller? You can go into settings>applications>running services and stop applications that shouldn't be running like Facebook or music and video players, etc. Sometimes it's best to get an app like Bloat freezer and freeze apps that keep reloading if you don't use them often.
CardnalSyn said:
My battery is draining like CRAZY and i cant seem to find out what the issue is. Ive tried calibration several times and using a task manager that turns off running apps every few seconds(which seemed to make it worse) and that didn't help. Auto updates are turned off and fbook is only set to update every hour and brightness is set to minimum yet my battery only seem to last 8hrs. please help. i would really like to pinpoint what the issue is.
Oh...im running ERA Legendary 2.1, CPU speed and voltages are stock
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Another question and maybe the most important...what is your screen on time? I didn't see it in the screen shots. I think Max screen on Time I have gotten is right around 4hours. All the battery tweaks in the world wont help, if your screen is on a lot. Also...make sure to freeze drm, sns and system updates. Use randomlking's zip file.
If none of that works...wash, rinse, repeat. Wipe clean and reflash, rom and kernel.
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As I'm sure you know, everyone's battery drainage is widely independent. However; I'm on "stock" Legendary 2.1 and recently with the updated Samurai kernel as well and run Juice Defender Ultimate. I've got some advance settings set but over the past 3-4 days, I average about 20 to 22 hours on a single charge.
My usage in an average day is: about 20-30 texts, about 10 minutes of phone calls, 10-12 emails in and out, 10 minutes of web, whatever app updates there may be and maybe about 15-30 minutes of light to medium use games.
If JDU is something you might want to look into, I would be more than willing to post my setup to get you started. <--For some reason, people are real stingy with their JDU settings.
This kinda thing just happens sometimes, and usually clears up on it's own. Especially common after flashing new software.
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i ran these through my seat-of-the-pants benchmarks, are there any other for these sorts of apps? , and can't tell any difference. the biggest difference maker that i have noticed is Titanium backup and freezing as many progs as i could and a better launcher.
i tested the phone as it initially came out of the box, removing the apps i could via app manager.
next, i ran it with JDU for ~4 days.
Then i ran Tit backup and froze many more apps and ran the phone with JD for 3-4 days.
then installed Ram Manager Pro and ran for a few days, then uninstalled JD and Ram Manager by itself for a few days
and finally uninstalled both, factory reset my phone, ran Tit Backup freezing everything i wanted and am now running that config for several days.
i can't see any change in battery life or perf between any of these.
what's your experience? did i miss the benefits? is there a more scientific way to test these apps on our phone?
I could be missing something, but my understanding of Ram Manager is that it controls how the cache works (RAM cache that is), aka, how previously opened apps are being handled, how long they stay in ram, or/and how often ram getting cleanup, etc. So theoretically there shouldn't be much of battery improvement with that app, only the performance on common used tasks.
As of Juice Defender, I've tried once, and realized it's not for me, I use push mail and listen pandora radio most of the time, it requires internet all the time. But in theory it should significantly save on battery if you don't use phone every second minute, cause it turns off everything and only turns data one every so often to check email, news, etc.
I guess it depends how you use your phone...
Have you tried SetCPU or such?
I use SetCPU to change CPU frequency, set min to 190mhz and max to 1500mhz, and max to 190 when screen off, yesterday with minimum phone usage in 7 hours used up 15%
And I wonder, by default, does Nitro set CPU to max and keep it that way or it also uses scheduling and changes speed as needed?
But I can tell you for sure, the network (HSPA+ here) usage uses as much battery as the screen, if not more...and network through WiFi saves on battery compare to HSPA.
[email protected] said:
I could be missing something, but my understanding of Ram Manager is that it controls how the cache works (RAM cache that is), aka, how previously opened apps are being handled, how long they stay in ram, or/and how often ram getting cleanup, etc. So theoretically there shouldn't be much of battery improvement with that app, only the performance on common used tasks.
As of Juice Defender, I've tried once, and realized it's not for me, I use push mail and listen pandora radio most of the time, it requires internet all the time. But in theory it should significantly save on battery if you don't use phone every second minute, cause it turns off everything and only turns data one every so often to check email, news, etc.
I guess it depends how you use your phone...
Have you tried SetCPU or such?
I use SetCPU to change CPU frequency, set min to 190mhz and max to 1500mhz, and max to 190 when screen off, yesterday with minimum phone usage in 7 hours used up 15%
And I wonder, by default, does Nitro set CPU to max and keep it that way or it also uses scheduling and changes speed as needed?
But I can tell you for sure, the network (HSPA+ here) usage uses as much battery as the screen, if not more...and network through WiFi saves on battery compare to HSPA.
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that's my understanding of Ram Manager as well. but i didn't notice any perf changes in how fast apps open, close or switch v a Titannium freezing showing good results imo for that sort of thing.
i listen to slacker/pandora but it's mostly via wi-fi, so i was able to configure JD to keep the wifi on and turn off all the other radios but that didn't seem to provide me any benefits.
i have not tried setcpu but will def check it out, thx for the heads-up on that one.
re: network, it doesn't even show as a battery drain on this phone and i am in an LTE area, the 4glte status signal is always on. i was under the impression it was a massive drain, maybe the phone searching for a lte signal is the drain but once it finds one and locks on maybe it settles down. i have no idea but it's not on the list of what's using the battery.
Ram Manager Pro has several settings (Balanced, Balanced-More Mem, Hardcore Gaming, etc...). Did you try any of the others? For me I noticed improvement, but perhaps it's also because of the way I use my phone and that Ram Manager is more suited to my ways and habits... Or maybe it's just placebo and I'm drinking the kool-aid.
For Juice Defender Ultimate, I will say probably one of its' biggest capabilities is locking down the apps that turn on the radio for background updates. A definite battery drain for folks that use a lot of social apps as they compound the use of background updates. I personally turn-off ALL background updates except for mail. So JDU wouldn't tremendously help me.
Lastly, I completely agree with [email protected] about SetCPU. I don't know how the OS handles the frequencies but one of the biggest battery savers is definitely using SetCPU for dropping the min/max CPU speeds to minimum levels when the phone is sleeping.
I installed setCPU and it instantly created a laggy interface. very very noticeable. HAs anybody else tried this app with this phone?
Had this same problem. I actually switched of all apps. The phone on idle does not loose that much juice. Overnight I maybe loose 8-10%. I turn data off at night using Tasker.
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I've still been farting around with these apps, going back & forth between using them and not.
best I can tell ROM manager provides ~5% increase in ROM management, which is pretty good for a couple bucks eh.
JD is so much harder to gauge/compare. I think it does defend the juice but I can't tell how much. The one thing I do not get about the app is how it continues to show increased battery savings over the previous 48 hours. I can see how this works when the app is 1st installed but at some point over time that number should = 1 right? JD can't keep stretching battery life 1.5x over its own management system.
scott0,
You're right, unless there's some heuristics built in (probably not).
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Anyone using a good stats widget that would show mhz of cpu/baterry/ram?
Something light that would not eat battery. I used the one that came with antutu cpu master but that caused more problems.
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Just out of curiosity, do you have to be rooted to use Juice Defender? When I select the app in the market it tells me "This item isn't available by your carrier."
Are they telling me that AT&T has blocked a power saving app?
Have the h811 and using the app but don't know if it's working. On slumber mode
Which app are you referring too?
The deep sleep battery app? That's the first relevant thing I found in the playstore. And the comments on it don't seem too good.
A lot of folks here will recommend the greenify app instead and picking the apps you want to go into a sleep mode until triggered to wake up.
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Which app are you referring too?
The deep sleep battery app? That's the first relevant thing I found in the playstore. And the comments on it don't seem too good.
A lot of folks here will recommend the greenify app instead and picking the apps you want to go into a sleep mode until triggered to wake up.
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Yeah that's what I am referring to the deep sleep battery app, I as well am using greenify with xposed module for deeper sleep
With the screen off, you can just swipe down on the off screen to see the time. You will see that your mobile data is shut off. At least this works for me. I can clearly see my LTE symbol disappearing.
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HeartUnderBlade said:
With the screen off, you can just swipe down on the off screen to see the time. You will see that your mobile data is shut off. At least this works for me. I can clearly see my LTE symbol disappearing.
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Have you been noticing difference with using deep sleep battery saver?
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Have you been noticing difference with using deep sleep battery saver?
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To be honest, I have. I also know that it's working because I swipe down when my screen is off and I see that my mobile data has shut off. Last night, I fell asleep without charging my phone at 67% and woke up to.... 67%, I was asleep for about 6 hours. I came from the Sony Xperia Z2 and kept stamina mode on 24/7. I was able to pull off well over 30 hours with that phone. Using deep sleep battery saver (which was based off the same idea as Stamina mode) I definitely noticed a difference in idle battery. Of course, once you get into any sort of task with the screen on then that's a different story.
The LG G4 already had pretty amazing idle times but I have a lot of apps that loves to wake up the phone when I'm sleeping. Before the app, I noticed that I'd wake up to maybe a 5% drain at minimum over the course of 6~7 hours. Sometimes, when my apps update on their own, I'd notice a significant drop of maybe even 10%.
I paid for the app since it's pretty cheap but honestly, I don't notice any real benefit to having the paid version. The paid version allows you to set some whitelist apps which is what Sony's Stamina mode allowed. However, if you're okay with not having that control then the free version is more than enough. Who knows, maybe some people will benefit less from it :/
I just want to make a point that I am also using it in conjunction with Greenify. I'm not sure if using the two really bears any great benefits but under my impression, greenify hibernates user apps while deep sleep can basically prevent anything from accessing data since it also shuts off mobile data. I can't see how using the two would hurt so why not? It looks like they both do different things that combined would be a very powerful battery saver.
HeartUnderBlade said:
To be honest, I have. I also know that it's working because I swipe down when my screen is off and I see that my mobile data has shut off. Last night, I fell asleep without charging my phone at 67% and woke up to.... 67%, I was asleep for about 6 hours. I came from the Sony Xperia Z2 and kept stamina mode on 24/7. I was able to pull off well over 30 hours with that phone. Using deep sleep battery saver (which was based off the same idea as Stamina mode) I definitely noticed a difference in idle battery. Of course, once you get into any sort of task with the screen on then that's a different story.
The LG G4 already had pretty amazing idle times but I have a lot of apps that loves to wake up the phone when I'm sleeping. Before the app, I noticed that I'd wake up to maybe a 5% drain at minimum over the course of 6~7 hours. Sometimes, when my apps update on their own, I'd notice a significant drop of maybe even 10%.
I paid for the app since it's pretty cheap but honestly, I don't notice any real benefit to having the paid version. The paid version allows you to set some whitelist apps which is what Sony's Stamina mode allowed. However, if you're okay with not having that control then the free version is more than enough. Who knows, maybe some people will benefit less from it :/
I just want to make a point that I am also using it in conjunction with Greenify. I'm not sure if using the two really bears any great benefits but under my impression, greenify hibernates user apps while deep sleep can basically prevent anything from accessing data since it also shuts off mobile data. I can't see how using the two would hurt so why not? It looks like they both do different things that combined would be a very powerful battery saver.
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I have Greenify as well and my battery life is TERRIBLE on this phone. I am lucky to get 8 hours before going from 100% to under 50%...I have a ton of bloat frozen and a ton of apps Greenified. What system apps are you Greenify'ing? The battery life is killing me on this phone, thank God I got a free battery with the promotion.
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I have Greenify as well and my battery life is TERRIBLE on this phone. I am lucky to get 8 hours before going from 100% to under 50%...I have a ton of bloat frozen and a ton of apps Greenified. What system apps are you Greenify'ing? The battery life is killing me on this phone, thank God I got a free battery with the promotion.
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I didn't greenify any system apps. I just greenified every single user app that could potentially run while the phone was not in use. I also used tasker to force greenify my facebook app the minute the screen turns off instead of waiting for greenify to activate. I also used kernel adiutor to change the big core's governor to powersave and then changed the LITTLE core's governor to interactive.
Like I said in a previous post, I most use greenify for user apps as I kind of don't want to touch system apps at this moment. I use deep sleep battery saver for anything else that could potentially dodge greenify (like system apps that tries to access data). As all these settings so far are for when the screen is off, the Kernel Adiutor settings are for helping with battery life when the screen is on. I don't think the tasker setting is necessary as it very well could just be a placebo effect but I don't like how facebook isn't hibernated immediately.
So to sum it up; the settings I used:
Greenify all user apps
Use tasker to immediately greenify select apps that are power hungry
Use deep sleep battery saver
Use Kernel Adiutor and set big.LITTLE governors to powersave and interactive
**I should mention that I have the T-mobile H811 model which has an unlocked bootloader with a custom recovery.
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I didn't greenify any system apps. I just greenified every single user app that could potentially run while the phone was not in use. I also used tasker to force greenify my facebook app the minute the screen turns off instead of waiting for greenify to activate. I also used kernel adiutor to change the big core's governor to powersave and then changed the LITTLE core's governor to interactive.
Like I said in a previous post, I most use greenify for user apps as I kind of don't want to touch system apps at this moment. I use deep sleep battery saver for anything else that could potentially dodge greenify (like system apps that tries to access data). As all these settings so far are for when the screen is off, the Kernel Adiutor settings are for helping with battery life when the screen is on. I don't think the tasker setting is necessary as it very well could just be a placebo effect but I don't like how facebook isn't hibernated immediately.
So to sum it up; the settings I used:
Greenify all user apps
Use tasker to immediately greenify select apps that are power hungry
Use deep sleep battery saver
Use Kernel Adiutor and set big.LITTLE governors to powersave and interactive
**I should mention that I have the T-mobile H811 model which has an unlocked bootloader with a custom recovery.
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Awesome, thanks for the informative reply. One question, wouldn't putting the CPU governor on powersave make the phone run really choppy/laggy? Also, I have the Verizon G4 no unlocked bootloader but root.
pettigrew95 said:
Awesome, thanks for the informative reply. One question, wouldn't putting the CPU governor on powersave make the phone run really choppy/laggy? Also, I have the Verizon G4 no unlocked bootloader but root.
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Most day to day tasks are done with the "LITTLE" cores while intensive tasks are done using the faster "big" so you won't normally notice any lag since the governor for the littles is interactive. I figured the only time I would really drain my battery is when I'm using intense tasks that would utilize the big cores. You will notice a little lag when in really heavy apps like the camera but it's really not that bad - it's not like a "I'm-going-to-miss-my-shot-because-it's-so-laggy" bad. Just give it a shot and you'll see what I mean. I don't use my phone for gaming but I do use it for almost everything else including streaming videos and I don't notice any lag other than in the camera - which, like I said, isn't that bad. If you do want to tweak around with the governor though, I high recommend Kernel Adiutor since it is compatible with the big.LITTLE system (meaning it can set the separate governor for both big and little cores) unlike Rom Toolbox Pro.
While I can bear with the slight lag for the extra battery life, you may not be able to take it. Your mileage may vary I guess. Battery life is much more important to me than high performance since I don't do anything intense like gaming or heavy rendering and I'm always on the go so I'm willing to make that sacrifice.
For me deep sleep has been giving me battery drain issues and uninstalled it after two days of use on slumber and my custom mode that didn't let no app awake and also the force tune cpu and what not yet still battery drain. With it off battery drains much much more less